Missing In Action
With the first real game in the books, we can now see what Doc considers to be his regular rotation. We can also see who's missing from that rotation. Now I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this because we're talking about Championship contenders here. Clearly the top of the rotation guys are the ones that are going to matter in June. However, since preseason questions are still lingering in my mind, I thought I'd explore what we learned about the end of the bench after one night.
First of all Cassell is still inactive. I haven't read every story yet, but I haven't heard anything about him being hurt per-se. I think Gabe must have just played himself onto the active roster. At least at the beginning of the season, it makes sense to see what the kid can do and to try to build him up for the future because he might be a long term solution at the backup spot. If not, it would be good to find out soon. Sam is content to sit and rest up for the playoff run (unless Pruitt really impresses and maybe Sam just collects a paycheck and retires sometime during the season).
Second of all, Patrick O'Bryant was a DNP-CD last night. That can't be a good sign for the kid, especially with Perkins in foul trouble all night. The Notorious POB started out the preseason well, but faded over time. And Doc openly talked about his lack of intensity:
"Like we tell him every day, there’s Patrick speed and then there’s Celtics speed," said Rivers
Now keep in mind, Doc has talked in the past about how Big Baby plays Big Z pretty well because he can body him up better than most. O'Bryant would be pushed around pretty easy by a guy that size. However, to see the guy get no minutes at all seems like a vote of no-confidence by Doc. There's still time for him to earn a spot, but so far he's replacing Scot Pollard more than PJ Brown.
Scalabrine was the other DNP-CD so that means the other two inactives were the rookies. No surprise there. Once the D-League season begins, I hope to see both of them down there to get some playing time. In particular JR Giddens who needs to get his confidence back up after a poor preseason showing.
On the court, we saw Eddie House play the backup point position. He didn't seem to be too bothered by ball pressure but the offense visibly picked up whenever Rondo re-entered the game. And when Eddie's shot isn't falling, he's just not that much of an asset. However, his shot is going to fall more often than not and I think he'll be fine.
I honestly didn't follow Big Baby too closely during the game, but he didn't seem to be out of place and it looks like he picked up a few (4) rebounds in his 15 minutes.
So I think it is safe to say that the rotation looks a little something like this:
- Starting 5
- Tony Allen, Leon Powe, Eddie House - initial subs off the bench
- Big Baby - situational sub for when Perk is in foul trouble
- O'Bryant, Pruitt - ready in case of specific matchup or injury
- Scalabrine - ready in case of 10 player brawl resulting in mass ejections
I promise I'll talk less about the end of the bench as we get more into the season.
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you got it right, jeff. i would like to see less minutes for ray and some for pruitt, who i think can work with eddie.
by nazzbo on Oct 29, 2008 9:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doc's slow to change things up.
It’s possible neither Pruitt nor O’Bryant will ever see meaningful minutes this year or ever with the Celtics. But let’s remember that Doc is slow to give new guys real minutes on a consistent basis. As an example, Powe spent much of the early part of last year getting next to no minutes. And he wasn’t a rookie.
by no kidding on Oct 29, 2008 9:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
given POB’s history, there’s not much you can say but “we’ll see”
it isn’t like he’s a rookie or even a 2nd year guy
by Jeff Clark on Oct 29, 2008 9:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One of the continuing stories will be the Big 3’s minutes. Less minutes = less chance of injuries
by johnnymost on Oct 29, 2008 9:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, Jeff. POB has talent but according to Doc’s comments, he’s having the same issues with effort and motivation that he’s had since being drafted.
On another topic, I think Ray Allen’s minutes should go way down this year. I don’t see any reason to play him over 40 min like last night. Especially when Tony Allen is having more of an impact.
by moiso on Oct 29, 2008 9:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know it is WAY too early to say this, but there is a chance that after a year or so we could all feel the same way about POB that we all felt about Mark Blount. I really hope not though!
by moiso on Oct 29, 2008 9:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no, Blount got big money
and POB is a 2 year rental at worst
by Jeff Clark on Oct 29, 2008 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the auto updating comments
it is so fun to see a comment just pop up as you are reading the others
by Jeff Clark on Oct 29, 2008 9:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BBD
I thought BBD looked a little out of place last night. I would have liked to have seen POB’s lenght out there. Lots of turnovers from both sides.
House’ shot was falling. I thought we would see Pruitt.
by RonJohn on Oct 29, 2008 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s because for some inexplicable reason he was shooting 18 footers with time left on the shot clock.
by Bankshot on Oct 29, 2008 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ray
It`s a bit too early to jump to conclusions regarding Ray Allen, imo. It`s the first game, and I`m certain he will play his usual amount of minutes over the course of the season.
Tony Allen played pretty erratic in the beginning, and he can`t hit a 3-pointer to save his life.
Ray Allen is still one of the three amigos.
by Casperian on Oct 29, 2008 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tough game for Doc to try out untested players. Cavs look like the C’s toughest competitors in the East … better to give Pruitt a tryout against a lesser side, give him a better opportunity to succeed and less of a chance for him to hurt the team.
by Who on Oct 29, 2008 10:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Smiling Gabe deserves PT
When Eddie’s shot isn’t falling, I wish Doc would give Pruitt some PT; he was steady as a rock in preseason. The Cavs’ backcourt aren’t exactly all-stars.
I was ridiculed for saying this before, but since when has that stopped me: Pollard would likely give us more than POB. Bring back wacko!
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
by Eeyore III on Oct 29, 2008 10:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He probably will give Pruitt a shot at some point
But last night was not the night to do it. “when Eddie’s shot is not falling?” So one game proves that Doc won’t give Pruitt time? Last night showed pretty dramatically the jump in play from the preseason to the regular season. That was played like a playoff game, the Pruitts and POBs of the world are not going to get dropped into that scenario, no matter who is hot or not, when there are already 4 bench players who all played on the team last year. There will be plenty of time to play the 10th and 11th guys, but not last night.
by KJ33 on Oct 29, 2008 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was one game!
How can ANY conclusions be drawn about anything in this one game? Do people realize who the opponent was? There are 82 games and 29 other opponents to play, who got in against Cleveland and how they played has alot to do with the fact that it was the Cavs. POB not playing doesn’t suggest anything, other than that Doc didn’t think he was the right guy to play to try to win this ONE game. Ray’s “struggles” are very similar to the playoffs, again, against Cleveland because of how they play him.
How anyone can draw any conclusions based on one game against one specific opponent is beyond me. We struggled to score against the Cavs last year, why would this year be any different? They trap all pin downs, forcing the wings to reverse the ball out of double-teams, sigh, this is all so old. When the opponent is different, POB may play, Pruitt may play, R. Allen may not be trapped on pin downs, but no trends should be identified then either. Doc played who he thought gave them the best chance to win last night, period. And Ray chose to play team ball just like last year’s playoffs, the W’ s mattering more to him than the # of shots or conversions. We’ll take the W, and then see what works against the next opponent.
by KJ33 on Oct 29, 2008 10:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You know the reasons…
It´s the first game, people are excited, people are emotional, people love the Rookies etc.
There are people who dream, and people who get them back to the ground, and you need both.
Still, I´ll give you a TP when I see you on the forums^^
by Casperian on Oct 29, 2008 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The bottom of the rotation guys will get their minutes against weaker opponents than the messiah’s team. But Ray shouldn’t be playing 40M in any game.
by Finkelskyhook on Oct 29, 2008 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was interesting that when T.Allen and House were on the floor at the same time, Allen brought the ball up to halfcourt. They’re still not fully confident in House’s ability to break the full court pressure.
by Gino on Oct 29, 2008 10:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
POB...
… won’t see meaningful floor time until he learns some basic fundamentals of post defense and post offense – like running to gain position and hold it, not moving around agitating the hands on the air or immobilizing himself in the paint on the defensive end . Big Baby is head and shoulders above him.
I think Pruitt will play, but not in this kind of games.
I also believe Scal will see more minutes than expected.
by cordobes on Oct 29, 2008 11:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We shall see what we shall see
If Doc really wants to see more bench because of the short summer the championship imposed than bench will get more play. However, I don’t think Doc will allow this team to fall of pace of the best record in the east, let alone the NBA.
If push comes to shove I can see Doc sticking more with the starters than he claims, especially if the bench isn’t getting it done.
One silver lining, with the Olympics many NBA stars also had short summers so the impact will not be felt like it may otherwise have with the minutes.
by brianceltfan on Oct 29, 2008 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's A Long Season.
There’ll be plenty of time to find out who, among the new faces, have anything substantial to contribute. And unfortunately, there’s also the possibility of injuries forcing a change in some players minutes.
by no kidding on Oct 29, 2008 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BBD and Powe played good defense and neither one was in foul trouble. Also, Ilgauskas, even though 7-2, has a very limited post game. O’Bryant wasn’t needed.
I would like to see a backcourt of Pruitt and Tony Allen at some point. If there are two better backcourt defenders coming off the bench for some other team, I’d like to know who they are.
IMHO Mo Williams was exposed last night. He doesn’t defend that well, and while he hit a couple of nice treys he does not share the ball. He plays like a Milwaukee Buck (me first). The Cavs would be just as well off giving the minutes to Daniel Gibson. Aside from LeBron, the only decent passer Cleveland has is Delonte.
by Brickowski on Oct 29, 2008 11:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ray's the guy I'd like to get a little less minutes
At times Ray looked out of sync, couldn’t get a handle on the ball, a step slow, etc. I’m the first to say it is only one game, however, this is an opportune time for guys like Pruitt and Tony to get more minutes.
Chalk this one up to rustiness, first game jitters, etc. I do not want to see Ray getting a lion’s share of the minutes though if he isn’t producing. I fault Doc a little bit at times last year for sticking with him when a change of pace may have been needed. He should still start and get his run; but he is the one guy I would cut back on if he doesn’t have the shooting touch. At times Ray looked like Tony Allen out there when Tony was out of control.
by brianceltfan on Oct 29, 2008 11:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not against the Cavs
Opening night, against a major playoff competitor, does not translate to experimenting with POB or Pruitt. Doc wanted the win. And, as expected, the game was close just playing the established players. You do not want to give the Cavs any notion that they can beat the Celts on our home court.
by Bozo on Oct 29, 2008 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not a surprise
Knowing Doc, the way we all know him, did anyone actually think we would see any player who did not play in the Finals for us last year…This is Docs way and way of showing respect to the players who got us number 17. Let them earn there playing time..the time will come when we get to see more of Pruitt and POB- There is nothing wrong with lighting a fire under them so when they do get a chance, they hopefully will rise to the occassion.
by BringToughnessBack on Oct 29, 2008 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
























