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Chi_medium On my long list of respected colleagues in the blogosphere, few sit in greater esteem here than the lead writer at Blog-a-Bull, known on the Interwebs these days as your friendly BullsBlogger.  His coverage of his beloved Chicago team is top-of-the-line, featuring a potent combination of anecdotal and statistical insight, humor, Sam Smith chatter and the sheer emotion that comes with being a fan.  With the Bulls visiting the TD Banknorth Garden tonight, BullsBlogger took a few minutes to chat with us about the prospects for the upcoming season in Chicago.

SW:  I've come completely clean in my preseason commentary: The Bulls perplex me more than any other team in the East.  What's the deal with these guys?  Are they in rebuilding mode?  Are they prepared to make a run at the playoffs in the East?  What is a fair expectation for this team this season?

BB:  They're not rebuilding, that would imply a tearing down.  Instead, the same roster returned from last season, and while Derrick Rose just turned 20, he already has taken the reins of the team.  So what I think the Bulls are doing is figuring they have one definite piece in Rose (and likely Luol Deng considering he just signed a 6-year contract), using this year is to figure out what can work with him long term. But even with that uncertain plan, they have the talent to make the playoffs.  And I think that's a fair expectation, one I'm certainly holding them to.  It could be said that the emphasis on young talent means they shouldn't be focused on winning, but their young talent is good.

SW:  Last year, you and I had a difference of opinion about the expectations for Luol Deng going into last season: I thought he had been projected to make his leap to superstardom (perhaps taking too much stock in his performance in the Miami sweep); you argued that wasn't the case.  Heading into 2008-09 after signing a brand-new contract extension, what standard of play is to be expected from Deng?

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BB:  What I'm hoping for at a minimum is forgetting his previous injury-riddled and underperforming season and returning to the level that had you excited in that Heat series. If he just gets back to that, he's a solid third option on a great team and worth his contract.  In terms of future development, Deng's an interesting case.  He came into the league extremely young (he's still only 23), but also with an inverted set of characteristics than most: He wasn't extremely athletic but was already skilled and smart. So the question is then: what can he improve? Especially with a new PG who can get into the lane, it'd be a big step forward for Deng to get a 3-point shot, a range at which he's only 9-for-29 in the past two full seasons combined. Added strength as he gets older means he could possibly add a post game in the future, but I think increasing his range while keeping his great mid-range shooting and off-ball cutting game...he may never be a superstar but the type that makes a couple all-star games in his career.

SW:  What player is the most crucial X-factor toward making this Bulls team go this season?

BB:  On one level, there is only one factor, X or otherwise, between now and when the Bulls next compete for a title: Derrick Rose. If he's great (and the early returns are even better than expected), then building a team becomes a lot easier.  But considering that as a given, the X-factor is Tyrus Thomas. He has the biggest range in expectations given the gap between his talent and his performance two years into the league.  One of the reasons Vinny Del Negro was hired was because the organization thought they needed a coach after the Skiles regime who'd give more time towards development while trusting young players, with Tyrus Thomas in the forefront of their minds.  The truth about the 'disappointing' career of Thomas is that when he played, even at his spaciest, he was always productive. He always rebounds, is a gifted shotblocker who can also defend out on the perimeter and was one of the few Bulls who could draw fouls. Through preseason and opening night (where he had a 15/10 night) you can see the improvement in his jump shot that really opens up his offensive game, as he's much too quick for most frontcourt opponents.

SW:  What don't basketball fans know about the Bulls that they should?

BB:  The Bulls are pretty well vetted, everyone knows they need inside players who can finish (though this is different than the 'post scorer' mantra, which is the less correct term that's often used). They're guard heavy and could really use a consolidating trade to upgrade from depth to top-talent.

I suppose one thing that fans on the outside wouldn't know is how screwy the franchise has been with contracts when it came time to pay the young talent that brought them to the playoffs three straight seasons. Even with revenues that are the envy of the league, the Bulls refuse to go into the luxury tax (though they claim that the Jordan era was an exception that they'd gladly pay for again). Coupling that with the influence owner Jerry Reinsdorf (over the head of Paxson) has reportedly had when personally handling negotiations, it's tough to know exactly who's calling the shots and how some big-money decisions were made. Was Reinsdorf the one who wanted Ben Wallace? Did they consequently trade Tyson Chandler (and then dump J.R. Smith immediately afterwards) just to stay out of the luxury tax? Did the tax cause ownership to veto a Pau Gasol deal (no, they were never getting Kobe)? Why were Hinrich and Nocioni quickly given extensions only to play hardball (cue my readers rolling their eyes...as I often bemoan the eternal screw-job that he gets) with Ben Gordon later on? After successfully gutting and rebuilding the team when first taking the job, Paxson has since looked like a GM without a plan...but it's getting tougher to identify how much of that is his fault.

SW:  Score prediction for tonight?

BB:  The Bulls' offense looked very good running the court and drawing fouls against the Bucks on opening night. However it's very likely the Celtics will completely shut that down by getting back and clogging the lane. Tyrus Thomas was able to draw fouls on Bogut and Villaneuva, but he won't be able to do that (or get the ref to agree, heh) on Garnett. Vinny is starting Thabo Sefolosha at the two which means there will be no outside shooting to create spacing (and passing options) for Rose. I think the Bulls are going to start the game in a hole and have the type of night where they never get blown out but rarely get within eight points either, on to something like a 98-85 Boston victory.

Much thanks to BullsBlogger or coming aboard today, and I can't stress enough how worth your time it is to read Blog a Bull.  In the meantime, here's hoping his handicapping skills are better than mine usually tend to be.  Go green!

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another question for BB

Are you upset that the team didn’t make a stronger push to get D’Antoni or are you happier with Del Negro anyway?

by Jeff Clark on Oct 31, 2008 2:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hmmm....

I’d be happier if they decided they didn’t want D’Antoni. There are certainly reasons not to.

However the Bulls (in yet another episode of the most ridiculous coaching search ever), after D’Antoni signed with the Knicks, made it seem like he was indeed their first choice, they just couldn’t close the deal. So that is frustrating.

I was also a bit miffed that after weeks and weeks of interviews, they couldn’t wait a bit longer and at least interview Thibodeau and Flip Saunders.

All that said, so far so good with Vinny. I liked his campaign promises, he just has to deliver on them. Much better than a slow-down-the-ball retread like Doug Collins or Mike Fratello or something.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 31, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Z-Bo?

Thanks Steve and Matt for your characteristic insight. I have a question too: What does Matt think about a possible trade for Z-Bo: folly? must-do? or something in between?

I’d also respectfully disagree that Gordon got screwed (if I’m reading you right). Next year, when he gets something like the MLE, won’t that prove that the $10MM per that he got offered by da Bulls was more than fair?

"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark

by Eeyore III on Oct 31, 2008 2:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

even if that did happen to Gordon

the Bulls would be proven ‘right’, but they lose one of their best players for nothing. So how do they look good after that? It’s key to keep your lottery picks, unless you plan on tanking and getting more….which I don’t think anyone wants.

To me he’s clearly worth more than the MLE, and a $10-$12m contract is fair. But depending on who you believe, the Bulls not only lowered what they offered a season before (is that a way to treat any employee you want to keep?) but they were really low on the first-year money due to the tax….taking in consideration the present value of the total contract, it was very close to what Hinrich received, which I’d consider a bit insulting if I was Gordon.

Randolph may work if he wasn’t paid so much, and through 2010. The Bulls technically could be players in that free agent season (like most of the league). Also, I don’t think the Bulls have the team structure (yet) to cultivate a malcontent like Randolph, both off the court and his blackhole-ness on it.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 31, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe my 'things you didn't know'

should’ve been: people don’t know how good Ben Gordon is.

But I say it often enough on my own site I don’t want to look like even more of a Gordon apologist than I already am.

In a nutshell: he’s only a 6th man due to superstition.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 31, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I've noticed my difference of philosophy with you about this

although I would agree that he’s unquestionably a starter-level player, and he can fill it up and do so with good efficiency. It’s the rest of his game that makes me wonder if he could be more valuable to the Bulls as a trading piece than he would be if they do end up locking big money into him in the long term.

-sw

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by Steve Weinman on Oct 31, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just hope they use this season to find it out

I think a Rose/Gordon backcourt may be undersized but absolutely explosive. In the one game so far, Gordon has received very few minutes with Rose. Gordon did miss most of training camp and only played 1 preseason game, so it’s possible they’re just easing him in.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 31, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our readers have heard this ad nauseam from me by now,

but I don’t think there’s any way you want Randolph. The guy’s ability to short-circuit a team leaves me dumbfounded. He really would be close to last on my list if we started from scratch and redrafted teams of all the players in the league. For all the stats he can put up, he does so in as unhelpful a way as possible for his team, and what isn’t shown in the stat sheet is how disgusting he is both for his defense and for ball movement. With the promise that the Derrick Rose Era brings, I’d be loath to even consider bringing Z-Bo into the fold if I were a Bulls fan.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Oct 31, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was disappointed that the Bulls didn’t blow up their team after the drafting of Derrick Rose. I thought Beasley was a very good fit and would work well alongside their current players well.

But the same isn’t true for Rose, I think he’d be a lot more successful with different types of players alongside him. I really don’t like the backcourt – Hinrich, Gordon, Hughes (Thabo’s a good utility man) – for Rose. Then you move onto the interior and obviously the Bulls have some problems there too. That’s a good chunk of the squad that isn’t a great for Rose. Then you go to Nocioni and his contract, and how that limits Chicago.

I even have concerns about how well Deng, the starter I feel best about alongside Rose, fits alongside Rose.Short term – Deng’s game is largely based of his cutting and and how well he moves off screens. How well that works alongside Rose is questionable and hard to answer until Rose establishes his style of play further, but if he’s a Chris Paul/Steve Nash style point (make all the decisions, create all the action) then I’m not sold (still good obviously) Deng has as much value as prior. Long term – You’re going to have two huge contracts on the perimeter with these two, and the need for one on the interior. Getting a role player who’s a good penetrator/playmaker on the wing is no easy task. The Bulls could end up in a situation where Rose is the only player capable of consistently beating his man off the dribble on their roster. And Deng is the player I feel the best about in terms of Derrick Rose on the roster.

I would have loved to have seen Chicago try to re-make their roster following the addition of Derrick Rose.

by Who on Oct 31, 2008 4:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a trade guy, but ...

If the Bulls really need a role player who is a good penetrator from the wing, how about TA for Noah? With proper filler, does that help both teams. We could use a Varejao-type energy big, and Noah is too duplicative of Tyrus. Fire away!

"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark

by Eeyore III on Oct 31, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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