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Over-reactions!

Let's see; we've seen a total of one preseason game and one made-for-tv scrimmage (provided you have access to NBA TV).  I'd say that's plenty of information to make sweeping generalizations and over-the-top judgments about the team and players!  Won't you join me?

obryantblock.jpgStart Patrick O'Bryant!  I mean, if he is going to be hitting the boards, blocking shots, scoring off of open looks, and passing like he did last night, who needs Perk right?

Ok, stop throwing things at me.  Of course the Beast is the starter.  No question there.  However, for all my hand wringing over the summer, if O'Bryant can play aggressive and pick up the defense enough, there's no reason why he can't fill in that backup center spot.  He's got more than enough talent and length to give this team minutes.  I'll say he benefited from playing with the first unit a lot.  Still, you know there will be nights when Perk picks up two quick ones, and he'll be the first off the bench by necessity.  I'm no longer scared by that prospect.

Bill Walker for Rookie of the Year!  The dunks!  The aggressive attacking of the basket!  The dunks!  Line up now to signup for the Bill Walker Fan Club!

Yep, he was impressive, and poised, and composed, and I have nothing bad to say about him.  Still, let's not get ahead of ourselves.  He's still a rook and he'll make his mistakes and learn his lessons along the way.  With that said, I am less and less worried about the backup 3 spot.

Cut Scalabrine!  JR Giddens is a bust!  Brian Scalabrine looked horrible.  Whatever value he ever had is a distant memory now.  Where was JR?  I blinked and missed him.

Honestly it has been a while since I've seen Scal give me a reason to defend him.  At one point I enjoyed his fundamentals, but even those seemed lacking last night.  I thought he was at his best on those New Jersey teams when he could be a role player, but there's no role for him here.  He's a walking contract at this point.  The only reason to keep him on the team (aside from his winning locker room personality) is the value that his contract could bring in a trade next year.  Honestly though, I don't know if that's worth giving up a roster spot for.  I think cutting Scal is a very real possibility at this point.

As for JR Giddens, I'm disappointed in his slow progress, but it is obviously too early to give up on him.  He was drafted for a reason and I'm sure we'll see that reason take shape at some point this year.  I hope the staff gives him some more run next game if only to get a better look at him.  That said, if I had to pick a young player to package with Scal to get his money off the books and maybe bring back a servicable bench player, I'd lean towards this guy right now.

The starters looked great!  We're the favorites to win the title!

Well, actually, that's not really an over-reaction.  That's pretty much how I feel.  All this other stuff with the bench is second fiddle to the fact that we have the best starting lineup in the league.  So we've got that going for us.  Which is nice.

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There wouldn’t be so many people over-reacting to O’Bryant’s first preseason game (in a positive manner) if there hadn’t been so many who had negatively over-reacted to his signing in the summer. Remember, O’Bryant was dog-meat, a lazy stiff who couldn’t possibly make it in the NBA, and in fact, couldn’t hold his own against mediocre college forwards. Every action produces an equal and opposite reaction.

by no kidding on Oct 9, 2008 8:19 AM EDT reply actions  

You can’t cut Scal. He currently brings one thing to the table; a $3 million salary to throw in to make the salaries work if and when the Celtics decide to trade for a veteran backup PG or Center. Hopefully, the young guys will continue to get better and can be showcased a little bit. Ainge can then package a couple of them up around the trade deadline to get a veteran to come off the bench. But to do that, you have to get the salaries to match and none of the young guys make any money. That is where Scal, whose deal will be expiring after next year, comes in.

by JohnK70 on Oct 9, 2008 8:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Many things to analyze and every night young players will look a little different. The Celtics starting 4 from last year have better passing skills then last year they know where each other will be on the court and the offense will be even better. I was impressed with House, O’Bryant, Miles, TA and Walker. I thought O’Bryant will do better with KG on the court and hope he is not just a 2nd unit guy all the time. Perk plays around 1/2 the game so that gives him the other minutes to share with Powe. The Celtics won’t have to play KG at Center this year unless they want the best shooters in the game to score more points. Miles looked like he was in a championship game he was so focused to do well I cannot imagine being out for 2 years and trying to get your timing back against NBA talent. House is becoming the leader of the second unit and at times I would like to see Perk there to help them out and interchange O’Bryant and Perk between both units depending on the team they play. Walker will be great it will take time but in the next few years he will be able to watch the best in Pierce and play D against him in practice sessions.

by CelticsWin on Oct 9, 2008 8:40 AM EDT reply actions  

TOP 10 STILL’S

STILL happy with our “big 3” machines as they look well oiled and ready to run.

STILL have high hopes for Tony Allen (he did bring the ball up under control, looked quick, but had 3 TO’s, 2 of which were bad)

STILL probably under appreciate the steady hand of Rondo (2 steals 7 assists and 0 turnovers in 18 minutes)

STILL do not like so many three’s (15) unless Ray Allen is shooting them

STILL not sure if Patrick O’Bryant is really Irish, but baby he already looks good in green

STILL want to see Gabe Pruitt get some solid playing time in preseason to see what he can do (10 minutes last night seems light?)

STILL think Leon (Po)we is the best pick the Celtics have made in years…..yes years. Stat line says he only had 2 rebounds last night? That cannot be right!!!

STILL mystified how Scal ever got an NBA uniform let alone one that is green. Good lord he sucks.

STILL do not like Darius “too many” Miles but maybe I will learn to love him.

STILL think Tom Tib. is head coaching material but glad we have him.
 
 

by Master Po on Oct 9, 2008 8:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m guilty as charged no kidding – happy to be wrong

by Jeff Clark on Oct 9, 2008 8:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Darius “too many” Miles

 :D

by Jeff Clark on Oct 9, 2008 8:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Walker R.O.Y?- with Oden and Beasley, PLEASE.

by docextension on Oct 9, 2008 8:58 AM EDT reply actions  

First of all, Scal singlehandedly lost that pre-season game last night, and IMO looked like the only sure cut…I mean he was out there with rookies and they were looking to scal for veteran leadership….what a disaster! and what is with the mocking cheers and chants for this guy? its over-the-top and needs to stop.
I was very impressed with POB, I think hes a total steal and he more then addresses the loss of PJ Brown.
Still iffy on Darius Miles but his size directly reminds me of james posey.
Bill Walker is a total beast, i mean this guy has shocked me throughout camp and that facial on theo ratliff was just senational..
JR…havent seen anything out of him but I like his enthusiasm on the bench.. Pruitt looks like he’s put on some muscle but not sure if he’s ready for consistent minutes in the NBA.
Now..the Big 3 looked great no complaints there at all

Only complaint is that they lost and should’ve won, I know it’s a pre-season game, but seriously how did philli win that game? Elton Brand was invisible as was most of their starters (minus Thaddeus Young) and Our guys looked fresh and in rhythm…our guys off the bench held it down until scalabrine hit the floor, i mean seriously WTF is with Brian

by Pierce on Oct 9, 2008 9:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed with the over-reactions.

I would have liked to see more of Giddens, he probably got pulled because of defensive lapses.

Philly is going to be a really good team this year. I’m looking forward to some KG/Brand Pierce/Iggy Rondo/Miller battles. They don’t really have a Ray Allen type guy.

I’m always wondering about minutes. There’s a fair amount of seeing who’s good and showcasing being done. If Scals keeps playing like that, he’ll be virtually unmovable.

If Miles continues to be healthy, we’re going to have a good guy in him. I think he was focusing on D.

Baby looked a little tentative. Powe looked human.

House looked good (as a 2). Pruitt continues to show potential.

Tony didn’t quite get it going (but I think he will)

overreacted non-starters ordered in terms of probable usefulness:

the first group
OB (backup BIG man who is putting it together)
Miles (if healthy could place ahead of Powe and Baby for backup 4 but quick enough for 3)
Walker (a slasher at the 3)
tossup?: Tony / Eddie versatile 1/2 (Tony’s D, Eddie’s shot, Tony’s driving, Eddie’s decisions, ballhandling??)

Powe (physical 4 / tiny 5) is tenacious, has good inside instincts and solid defender
Baby (who looked a little rough)

Pruitt — who has upside but is being too passive.
Giddens — who has shown nothing
Air-intangibles — who has shown badness

by GreenBalls on Oct 9, 2008 9:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Scal has to leave, period

by greenwise on Oct 9, 2008 9:22 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m not sold on Philli from that one game last night…Sure, they won the preseason game but Elton Brand was about as good as Leon Powe… he was the least impressive player on their team…Our Starters clearly outplayed their starters

by Pierce on Oct 9, 2008 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Now that Martell Webster has broken his foot, I wonder if Ainge can put together a package to pry away one of Portland’s surplus point guards.

When will people stop worring about exhibition games? As I recall, their exhibition record was lousy last year, and then they went on to win 66 games.

by Brickowski on Oct 9, 2008 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

JohnK70 is right (see above). Scal can’t be cut. I think it should be Cassell; offer him a coaching deal.

by no kidding on Oct 9, 2008 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Can’t believe everyones so down on Giddens like this.

He was in for 4 minutes and had 2 steals(although only one was recorded)1 assist(Walker wouldn’t have had that dunk without him), 1 rebound, and played some solid D. That’s a pretty productive 4 minutes in my opinion.

by ManUp on Oct 9, 2008 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

This is just the first game I guess. But the bench looked lost. The Posey factor (or lack thereof) was felt. You notice Eddie House trying to pick up the slack, but he’s more of a motivator than a calming effect like Posey was when it came to settling down the second unit. Maybe that is why Sam Cassell was signed. Tony, Baby, Leon etc… are good players. But someone still has to be there to show direction. I guess that is where the Luxury of having a Big Three comes in.

by afflatus on Oct 9, 2008 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

As regards JR Giddens’ 4 minute- stat filled -performance, hardly invisible, if admittedly brief. Yet impressive enough to have earned one of the very few post game compliments by coach Tom Thibodeau. Strange that Giddens had one of the more impressive performances last night facing REAL competition yet seemed to underwhelm critics during practice!

by moskqq on Oct 9, 2008 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

For the record, in his post game comments re JR Giddens, Tom Thibodeau specifically cited JR’s impressive DEFENSIVE performance.

by moskqq on Oct 9, 2008 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

The only concrete information that we got from last night’s exhibition game is that Tony Allen really seems like the X Factor to Banner 18

by GuessWhosBack24 on Oct 9, 2008 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey Brick, wouldnt it be a hoot if we ‘traded’ Miles back to Portland to save them a few million? A package that netted us Steve Blake and change would be nice.

Then we could use Eddie as a two guard. 8)

by billysan on Oct 9, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

For some reason my dish lost it’s signal so I saw none of the first half. My only real observation of the second half is that for somebody as strong and sturdy as Powe, he falls down way too much after contact. And “contact”. Both offensivelyand defensively. If he keeps flopping, he’s going to be like Big Al was and not getting any calls. If I recall Big Al’s second year, he was whining about getting fouled and every time he got called for a foul. Eventually he wasn’t getting any calls even when he was getting clobbered.

Philly is going to have home court in the first round. I’ll still predict a 2-seed.

by Finkelskyhook on Oct 9, 2008 5:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it’s way too early to predict cuts on the team (didn’t Scal actually play decent in a starting role for like 5 games or so when KG was out last year?) but Scal sure did look awful last night. I wouldn’t mind sitting the big 3 for at least a couple games or so during this preseason so we can see more of the bench players. I wouldn’t mind starting the season with Cassell as a coach then at some point if needed or when/if Scal and someone else is traded then add him to the roster.

Lastly I’m surprised there isn’t more love for Rondo last night. Great fake layup then going up with his left hand, great cross court pass to Ray on the break, and mostly that steal on Brand. Tommy is right. It’s hard to think of another point guard in the league that makes a steal like that. I’m very encouraged he is going to take his game to the next level next year.

by JBcat on Oct 9, 2008 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Finkelskyhook, let’s start by recognizing that last year Powe didn’t get anything extra in the way of calls. Secondly, Powe’s unlikely to turn into a big whiner; it’s not in his makeup. Besides, when Posey was flopping last year, we were all complimenting his heady play. So if Powe’s doing it, we’ll just chalk it up to Posey’s legacy.

And if you had to miss a half, yesterday’s second half was the one to miss. Most of the fun stuff was in the first half. That was before O’Bryant started to run out of gas, and after the Sixers started paying more attention to that crazy Bill Walker.

by no kidding on Oct 9, 2008 6:21 PM EDT reply actions  

i’ve always been a scal supporter but after last night i have nothing to say. ship him out for a dozen basketballs.

by The4Time2Doctor0 on Oct 9, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

We’ll see how the rest of the preseason plays out, but I think the C’s have adressed one of their weaknesses from last year. The bench could shape up into a younger, athletic lineup that can push the tempo. Last year’s bench (Pose, House, Cassell, Brown) wasn’t going to do that.

by LuckyNumber07 on Oct 10, 2008 8:34 AM EDT reply actions  

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