Doc Unimpressed By Baby
Overall, have gave a thumbs up to everyone. Or just about everyone.
"I didn’t think anybody played poorly," he said before pivoting. "Well, actually I did. I thought Baby (Glen Davis) played poorly, honestly. I thought he turned the ball over, was going too fast, didn’t set a lot of picks. So he’s got to have a better (stretch) from this point to the start of the season than he has from this point since the start of training camp."
Rivers has been known to issue some digs to the media about players as a means of motivation (see: Al Jefferson, Tony Allen) in the past, so we’ll see if this is a bit of that.
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I don’t see it as motivation. There is too much logic that says BBD could well be the least useable of the 16. When Doc talks of his fear of not having length, he’s got to be directly looking at BBD. I think any of the bigs, maybe even Scal (but thats a stretch), can shoot over Baby. If Miles sticks, Baby is the casualty.
If Scal doesn’t play well he’ll be here another year. If he sucks he’ll be gone next year.
by liam on Oct 9, 2008 11:49 PM EDT reply actions
Why does Scal need motivation? He’s got that starting PF spot locked up if KG misses any games.
As for Baby, I agree. He did himself a major disservice by not slimming down at all this offseason. Just another reason why all this “Powe or Baby?” talk is nonsense.
by cmoney on Oct 10, 2008 12:20 AM EDT reply actions
I may have missed it, but one guy who wasn’t mentioned in evaluation of the Philly game was Rondo. He did a great job of setting pace and pushing the ball when he wanted to. On one push he scored with a left-handed layup. I don’t remember him doing that last year. It’s a shot he really needs to have.
Scal always was and always will be a horrible player. But I was really hoping to see some improvement from big baby. Yes, its only one game, but he obviously has not improved his conditioning. He better drastically improve his jump shot or his rebounding, because there is no future in the league for a 6’8" 290lb guy who’s main contribution is diving to the floor and and out of bounds to save balls. He has great hands and is a smart, strong, player; but his skill set, as is, does not translate into an nba career.
There’s an upside to getting criticism from your coach. You know at least that 1) they care and 2) they think that you can do something with it. I think that explains the lack of criticism of Scal.
Baby has an unconventional body for the NBA game and because of that he’s got to develop an unconventional game. He is frequently overmatched in height but he has some quickness and he has a lot of strength and width. He’s shown the ability to be a great post defender, rebounder, and with his quick first step he can get a lot of balls up and under the defense.
Offensively, he needs to get a shot off further away from the basket that wont be blocked (a hook?) but there are a lot of tall very athletic shot blockers in the NBA so that might be a problem.
And this last game he looked like he didn’t know what to do with the ball when he got it at to top of the key.
It’s not clear where Big Baby fits into the NBA but at times last year he showed he could bang with the big boys (vs Detroit, vs San Antonio)
Good for doc for going after BBD. The danger for the Celtics is not the big three being content. Those guys are professionals and will play hard no matter what. The danger is that guys like Powe and BBD let last year’s success go to their head and start thinking they are better than they are. The Celtics are only a few nagging injuries to Garnett, Pierce or Allan, and the young guys thinking they don’t have to play hard and improve anymore because they already know it all, from being run out of the playoffs a lot earlier than people think. The East has got some good teams. I hope Doc rides everyone of the young players like a horse and makes it clear to them that as of game 1 this year, last year means nothing.
by JohnK70 on Oct 10, 2008 9:18 AM EDT reply actions
If you haven’t already, read all of Souza’s story. In it he suggests Davis may have been trying to inappropriately assert himself in the offense, and as a result, was screwing up the spacing and flow of the plays.
This may better explain Doc’s concerns than any questions about the Davis’s weight or jumpshot.
From Souza “It is somewhat interesting, though, that he doesn’t go through the big man workouts after practice with Patrick O’Bryant and Leon Powe, but waits until they are done. Perhaps that’s why Rivers mentions Powe as more of a backup center and Davis as a backup power forward that forces Kevin Garnett to switch to center when they are on the court together.” This is consistent with an earlier interview with Coach Ray, when in talking about working with the Celtic Centers and did not mention Baby. That said, Miles is also a PF.
Andy, normally I pretty much agree with you. To compare Larry’s situation with Rivers is ludicrous. Rivers would never call out his star players. He uses young role players when he talks to the press. The only time he cites veterans is when they’re no longer on the team.
Rivers does this airing to the press pretty much pertaining only to role players. You didn’t see him calling Ray out when he was playing poorly in the playoffs. He’s alienated players doing it.
There’s a lot of ways to get to a player. Airing it out to the press isn’t one of them.

































