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Overreact Here! Celts Fall to the Nuggets

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The Nuggets came into town on the second of a back to back and spoiled the Celtics perfect home record.  This was a weird game full of spurts back and forth.  Unfortunately, the Nuggets had the last run and went home with the win.

The Chat Room was abuzz with frustrations, so I'm sure there will be plenty of points to discuss, but here are a few topics.

  • Rondo played awful.  Timid and missed bunnies.
  • JVG made a decent point during the game that KG is now a post up jump shooter and doesn't need to be doubled, particularly if that help is coming from Ray or Eddie.  So far this year, he's right on. 
  • Other than Eddie who had a few 3s, the bench was brutal for the second game in a row.  Take away Eddie and the bench had 3 points, or 1 more than Rondo. 
  • Pierce had that comeback magic for a spell in the third quarter, but couldn't sustain it and actually was scoreless in the final period. 
  • Billups is a nice addition for the Nuggets.  It will be interesting to see how the trade plays out over the rest of this season. 

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Final - 11.14.2008 1 2 3 4 Total
Denver Nuggets 23 25 16 30 94
Boston Celtics 29 13 23 20 85

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BOSTON CELTICS
STARTERS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
Kevin Garnett, PF 36 7-14 0-0 2-2 3 6 9 2 0 2 4 1 16
Paul Pierce, SF 41 4-12 2-6 9-10 1 6 7 4 3 1 4 2 19
Kendrick Perkins, C 33 3-4 0-0 0-0 4 5 9 2 1 1 3 0 6
Ray Allen, SG 41 9-16 5-10 3-3 1 5 6 4 2 1 3 3 26
Rajon Rondo, PG 30 1-8 0-1 0-0 0 0 0 7 7 0 1 3 2
BENCH MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
Eddie House, SG 19 5-11 3-7 0-0 0 1 1 2 0 0 0 2 13
Tony Allen, SG 14 0-3 0-0 1-2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1
Leon Powe, PF 10 0-3 0-0 1-2 3 1 4 0 0 1 2 1 1
Glen Davis, PF 16 0-2 0-1 0-0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 2 0
Gabe Pruitt, PG 1 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Patrick O'Bryant, C 1 0-0 0-0 1-2 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 1
TOTALS FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
29-73 10-25 17-21 12 25 37 22 13 6 17 16 85
39.7% 40.0% 81.0% Team TO (pts off): 18 (26)

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Cruise Control.

Cruise Control is no fun. I want blowouts with my 8-2. We’ve slept walked through the season so far with maybe the exception of our first game.

Rondo doesn't believe in easy buckets...

by ManUp on Nov 14, 2008 10:45 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Yes, I can still find something negative to say when we’re 8-2.

Rondo doesn't believe in easy buckets...

by ManUp on Nov 14, 2008 10:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Tony Allen's Scoring + Inconsistency

Tony had one huge game against Detroit where he scored 23 points.

Outside of that game he’s averaging 6.5ppg in 9 contests.

Looking at the game log his scoring is up and down. Three of those 9 games he had double digit figures scoring 11-14 points, in three games he has between 0-2 points, and in three other games he has 4-8 points.

by Who on Nov 14, 2008 10:56 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

good point..

so the early optimism re: the bench is now coming down from its earlier high. Too much reliance on scoring and not enough consistency on late-game D and timely mid-quarter opponent-rally-killing buckets. In other words, we haven’t quite found the solution to JP yet and it doesn’t look like we are going to any time soon (unless maybe we pick up a McDyess).

Bleed Green. What does it mean? Ask Red.

by CelticsHooRah on Nov 14, 2008 11:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seems they’ve only been motivated in games against legitimate postseason opponents cleveland detroit houston and sleepwalked through the rest. That loss in Indiana gave them the little push for their road games and I think this early loss coupled with the near misses this week should give them that extra spark. Now that they’ve learned they can fight their way back from large deficits its time to get to work.

by twinbree on Nov 14, 2008 10:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Weaknesses exposed

Any team that has decent inside players are going to be able to outwork the dynamic duo that is Davis and Powe. Nene, Balkman, Kleiza all outworked them tonight. Hope Ainge is keeping his phonelines open.

by Tradetime on Nov 14, 2008 11:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

you can’t win them all. denver wanted it more. the c’s put in the effort. that being said, the second team was awful and lost them the game. i like leon who tries hard, but he flat out stank. and he stank the game before, and he has been woeful at the charity stripe. i don’t know if o’bryant has some kind of communicable disease or what, but he needs to be given a shot and not lost on the bench like leon and ryan were in their first years. zippo from tony. zippo from rondo. when perk was not in the game, we got no boards. kg is boarding and playing help d but you’re right ,he’s pop shooting and shying from the hole. it’s only one game, but…

by nazzbo on Nov 14, 2008 11:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

well the whole problem with the second unit has been the lack of outside shooting. Powe was double and triple-teamed pretty much every time he tried to go up because there was no one to really kick it out to besides House, who was only midly effective tonight. If TA can even hit a .300 3pt FG% you’re talking about an entirely different game for Powe.

Bleed Green. What does it mean? Ask Red.

by CelticsHooRah on Nov 14, 2008 11:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mcdyess

lets get him in here,powe and baby are getting out rebounded

by tcelt on Nov 14, 2008 11:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It's all about Defense

We need to stop playing half the game on the defensive end. This thought that they can just turn it on whenever they want is going to bite them like it did tonight. They need to come out, clamp down on defense, and get a good sized lead. Then when a team makes a run on them it is cutting the lead to 5-10 pts and not pushing theirs up to 10 pts. Good teams won’t let you just come back 3 times like they needed to tonight. At least ones who can score. Remember what got you that championship guys. Hard nosed aggressive D. Stop this nonsense before it becomes a habit.

by EJPLAYA on Nov 14, 2008 11:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

sleepwalking but also lacking depth

Look although our starters are solid and probably the best in the league, they are followed by T Allen, House, Powe and Baby. not the best bench in the league with the unnamed gentleman who went to NO gone. We blow key threes tonight. we also mishandle the ball, which we got away with last year frankly.

MAIN ISSUE:without pose, we go to house for outside shooting which pulls out rondo for directing the offense.

repeat: pose gone means house in for offense and no rondo for direction

need an outside shooting big man who can play d.

good luck with that

by wahz on Nov 14, 2008 11:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think the solution might be on our bench already.

As we saw in the preseason, Pruitt was an effective outside shooter. Doc should give him some burn NOW so it’ll pay back dividends in the future.

Bleed Green. What does it mean? Ask Red.

by CelticsHooRah on Nov 14, 2008 11:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not re-signing Posey was a HUGE blunder by Ainge. It is a glaring deficiency with the bench.

by Bankshot on Nov 14, 2008 11:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Perk's Shoulder

That’s the thing I’m most worried about coming out of this game.

Rondo’s hampering the offense and the overall poor play of the bench would be next on the list.

Anyway, hopefully they can take this last one in Milwaukee. Get a day, get a good day of practice to clean some stuff up and start playing better offensively.

by Berkcelt on Nov 14, 2008 11:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't think offense is the problem.

It’s more the lack of timely stops to me. Our perimeter D at the end of games has suffered quite a bit for some reason, and I’m thinking it’s probably a bit because of the lack of Pose. Perk was a bit slow when he was rotating out to cover perimeter shooters.

Bleed Green. What does it mean? Ask Red.

by CelticsHooRah on Nov 15, 2008 12:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I’m coming from the school of thought that says better offense would allow the defense to set up. 2 points out of 40 minutes of Tony, Baby and Leon is just not good enough. Plus Rondo is being almost totally ignored the past couple games. You get turnovers and desperation shots which can lead to fastbreaks or unorganized defense.

Tonight’s game it was kind of moot anyway, because Denver outhustled the Cs, especially their bench versus ours.

by Berkcelt on Nov 15, 2008 1:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rondo underperforming

Rondo has been pretty underwhelming so far running the offense. His passiveness going to the hoop and the disappearance of his mediocre jumpshot from last year allows defenses to relax when he has the ball.

by guava_wrench on Nov 15, 2008 12:42 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Headline...

is perfect. There will be a lot of over reactions to this ball game.

by ma11l on Nov 15, 2008 12:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Tough loss....

But your 8-2, you lead your div., and it take some time to jell at the start of the season. keep your chin up C fans. After all you dont win 17 championships by overreacting and panicing. You are a solid team that will jell and defend your crown well.
PS my Hawks lost, and didnt play well against NJ. Hope we havent overachieved, I dont think so, but its hard to believe in the Hawks til we win awhile. Anyway dont panic! The C’s are a class act!

Welcome to the Highlight factory!

by AtlantaFan on Nov 15, 2008 12:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

we’re missing a piece or 2 and rondo and TA are just not very good

by thecaptain34 on Nov 15, 2008 1:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oh..and KG seems to have taken a step back… I know hes played good here recently, but still something is not right with him overall

by thecaptain34 on Nov 15, 2008 1:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

One more thing…Just imagine if Billups was our PG…

by thecaptain34 on Nov 15, 2008 1:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good Analysis

As far as overreacting is concerned I think is justified. From what I can tell looking at the box scores for the 10 games so far is the team always comes out a bit lethargic. So if they don’t get that worked out they will fail miserably in the playoffs that is assuming they make it. TA, yes, I was a huge supporter of his coming into the season and although there is a lot of basketball to be played he is proving me wrong so far. Rondo flat out cannot shoot, his floater is ineffective 90% of the time and he misses a staggering 75% of his layups! Yes, he steals the ball and has huge hands to help create other intangibles. How long can this help them win for though? Obviously against C. Billups (Denver is now a playoff contender) not very long! He(Rondo) has got to become a better FT shooter (52.5%) in order to manufacture points. In my opinion, Maybe P OBryant needs so more time but I might now try Walker off the bench. If anything for a spark and to lite a fire under TA’s butt. I also agree with people regarding Pruitt. He can shoot far better then Rondo and he is athletic as well. Mayo and Pruitt were supposed to be one of the best back courts in all of College basketball a couple years back at USC. This is not to say Pruitt will become starter but we need help off the bench or so it seems. Dubai is 9 hours ahead so I wake up to these results it kinda sucks!

As always thanks for the info!

by richardlight on Nov 15, 2008 2:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Is it lethargic or is the other team extremely ‘up’ to beat the champs? I think it they look lethargic because of the other team is so energized. I suppose the C’s could match that level but every night? I think it is important they don’t wear down come late in the season and the playoffs. The Big 3 is not getting any younger.

by NoraG1 on Nov 15, 2008 3:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Where was Bill walker last night ?

Does anyone know why Bill Walker was not on the bench last night ? Has Patrick O’Bryant played well enough to beat out Walker, or is he injured ?

by Spinmove00 on Nov 15, 2008 4:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

all is well in celtic land

8-2 yawn.

what _ did we loose?
relax
there’s a long season (post) season ahead

by mec1 on Nov 15, 2008 8:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Have you even watched us play this year, a couple miracles have delayed this kind of talk…we’re not very good this year from what Ive seen.

by thecaptain34 on Nov 15, 2008 11:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it isn’t just this game- it’s all the games this season where we’ve fallen behind and had to spend an incredible amount of energy to catch up. sooner or later that’s going to cost you games and it did tonight. clearly the bench is a big issue. we are small and we lack outside shooting. Powe, Baby etc do a good job considering that they are undersized and weren’t first round picks. sooner or later though that is going to catch up to you and it happened tonight. add to that the fact that 2/5 of our starting lineup can’t or won’t score and the fact that garnett has not post presence and you can see why teams are getting out to big leads on us. we need more talent pure and simple. danny made a huge mistake not signing posey and not finding a replacement for PJ. If McDyess was watching last night he sure as hell is not coming here especially after the pistons beat the lakers in LA. Why not start tony and make ray 6th man?

by Red2 on Nov 15, 2008 9:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Starbury& Joe Smith will do

Powe and Baby cannot play together and Tony cannot play at all….Walker and Eddie can fill in for Allen/POsey for now….and Joe Smith is a younger,more athletic PJ…we need 2 more guys by April

by Motown on Nov 15, 2008 9:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Perkins was taken off the dribble.

The difference in the game was that Perkins did a bad job of staying low and guarding Nene and Kenyon Martin off the dribble. Now seriously, who would game plan on having to guard those two on dribble drives? My guess is, the Nuggets didn’t plan to try that option. It simply worked the first time they tried it, and they went back to it repeatedly after that.

If we played them again, Coach Ray would have Perkins all set to do what needs to be done. We know Perkins can stay low when he’s focused on it. And maybe O’Bryant would get a serious chance to see if he could help out. So I’m not greatly troubled.

by no kidding on Nov 15, 2008 9:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Big Three

Big # 1 – Perk needs a shot away from the basket (something more than the lazer)

Big # 2 – Rondo needs an outside shot period. And for goodness sake QUIT KICKING the ball out every time you penetrate – SHOOT IT AND DRAW A FOUL!!!!! – then make your fouls shots (see PAul Pierce)

Big #3 – Quit taking up bench spots with people you either won’t play because you have no confidence in or who really can’t play!!!!!!! Doc and Danny Ainge if you do not think POB, Scali or Pruitt can play then get somebody else!!!

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Nov 15, 2008 10:56 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The first two points are fine.

But as you know, somebody has to be at the end of the bench, and typically they’re not going to play any real minutes. If they were really good, they wouldn’t be there, or at least not for long. And if they did play a lot, the coach would be called a fool for not sticking to a tighter rotation.

They’re there for injuries, or experiments and possible development. And I’m all for the later.

by no kidding on Nov 15, 2008 11:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No team will ever win 80 games in an NBA season

Celtics are playing a most difficult opening stretch – 10 games in 17 days. 11 games in 18 days if you count tonight against the Bucks. All against tough teams except maybe the Thunder. Denver obviously played well and the game came down to the last three minutes and Denver closed out and we did not.

I did not watch the game but from what I saw in the box score was the bench played lousy, we did not shoot well or rebound well and Billups burned us again.

Boston Celtics - 2008 World Champions

by QuinielaBox on Nov 15, 2008 5:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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