Regular Season Tilt Carries Personal Meaning
A Daily Babble Production
It has been more than eleven months since I signed on here at CelticsBlog (thanks again a million times over for having me), and those who have been reading for a significant portion of that time may have come to understand what friends and family have long known (and if you haven't picked up, it's time for me to come clean): I'm a bit of a nut.
My clothes don't match. Way back in my high school days, in the middle of the standardized test that came at the culmination of some silly AP course, I took a break from writing an essay so I could doodle two seasons worth of Celtics playoff schedules and results on the back of the exam booklet. The number of times I've used a comb to neaten my perpetually messy hair in my career remains in single digits. I've cried after watching sporting events that didn't turn out quite as I would have liked. When I was a freshman in college, I got frostbite on my lips for a week after walking four miles each way to a Chinese buffet in ten-degree weather on a Sunday morning because I really craved their almond shrimp. Which they only served at dinner. Fortunately, the restaurant is quite good overall. My alter ego is a fictional character from a television program whose target audience upper bound is somewhere around eight years old.
Only in this space, on this site, does the fact that I'm completely head-over-heels in love with this basketball team of ours not make the "I'm a nut" list. So thanks to you all for that.
Given the populace of this site's readership, it goes without saying that we want our boys in green to take every game. Each and every regular season game, each and every playoff game: They all seem like they mean everything for the two and a half hours while they are being played and sometimes for quite a bit of time afterwards.
But every now and then, there are certain nights on the regular 82-game slate that mean just a little bit more than normal. Sweeping the Texas triangle trip last year was special. Prevailing over the newly confident Hawks last week was big, considering how many Celts fans the Hawks almost put in the hospital with hypertension last spring.
But no matter the quality of the combatants, there is something about the four games with the Knicks each year that just does it for me, that puts my desire to get these games to a whole new level.
The strong feeling likely comes from a combination of factors courtesy of being a native New Yorker. Growing up in the Weinman household requires an understanding of two key rules for survival: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee. My father is a Brooklyn product and diehard Celts fan who taught for more than 30 years in the New York City school system and routinely had students desecrate test papers with pro-Knicks and anti-Celtics propaganda at the top next to their names.
This established the healthy dislike of the 'Bockers at an early age. As the only Celts fan in school, it didn't help my relationship with the Knicks that I knew I was going to hear it from approximately 100 percent of my classmates anytime the C's fell to the orange and blue, and "Standings!" was never going to be a good enough response inside the hallowed and largely sports illiterate walls of the Herricks Union Free School District. It made those games important no matter when they came in the schedule or how good the teams were. Though I spend much of the year buried in the Midwest now, the memories remain vivid, especially of the nights I spent pacing my bedroom and listening to the radio before we got the MSG Network my sophomore year of high school. Meanwhile, negative feelings about the Knicks are an ironically pleasant reminder of home.
Beyond the youthful dynamics with friends and classmates - and the fact that despising the 'Bockers was just one more way to bring me even closer with my beloved father - the Knicks' franchise arc over the last fifteen years has only made them an easier target for my bad feelings. Through the '90s, they were a perennial Eastern contender while the Celtics suffered through one of the most miserable periods of their existence. The Knicks gave the city two Finals trips to celebrate but thankfully came away with no titles.
This decade, while the Celts have regained superiority in the standings (particularly as of late), the way management has run the team in Manhattan has made the Knicks even more detestable, now for their personnel rather than for frustration with their good play. General managers Scott Layden and Isiah Thomas and the players they have brought in - Stephon Marbury, Jerome James, Eddy Curry and Zach Randolph come to mind as the tip of the iceberg - have been eminently disikable, and the result has been a new special pleasure from seeing this team embarrass itself. Last year's 45-point stomping by the Celts on national television couldn't have been scripted any better.
Finally, there is that nail in the coffin of my rage at all things orange and blue that comes courtesy of the events five years ago yesterday. I've still got the scars from 2003, the last time November 17 came on a Monday. The Celtics visited Madison Square Garden, and The Guru and I went to support our boys. At halftime, we were high-fiving and chatting gleefully about a 54-38 lead, garnered despite the fact that the team had played far from its best basketball. Good times.
Because this is a family site, and I'd prefer not to call to mind any particularly grotesque images, we'll skip the details of most of the second-half carnage and cut to this: The Celts completely melted down, Vin Baker was the only competent player in green, Allan Houston, Keith Van Horn and Kurt Thomas killed us, and Michael Doleac hit the eventual winner in the final seconds. It was a somber train ride home. While it is a night that I'll always appreciate for getting to spend time with The Guru, it also serves as the defining image in my head for what I consider the most painful Celtics season of the last 15 years: No high lottery pick, no real chance in the first round of the playoffs, no real direction, no more 'Toine, not much hope. In my warped mind, it started to all come unglued when that 5-4 team fell apart at MSG on the eve of a meaningful day in my life.
What all that rambling comes down to is this: Childhood in New York, the mismanagement and unlovable roster of recent memory and one particularly frustrating night at Madison Square Garden have fostered a special dislike within me for that franchise from the Sizable Apple.
This one means something to me. Three days before I'm due to return home to New York for the first time in months, four days after a frustrating loss to the Nuggets, five years and a day after that meltdown in New York City, roughly 1,100 miles from Times Square, this rivalry remains magnified to epic proportions in my head.
It's why I'll be doing what I do best tonight - blowing off the rest of life - and finding myself the rare bar around here that has the NBA package so that I can buy myself dinner, be alone with my thoughts and chow down to watch one of the regular season games that manages to bring forth a passion from me that goes beyond even my usual mind-numbing level of fanaticism.
So that's my sappy personal rant for the day about a November 18th game that strangely means so much to me. You've got my word that we'll be back to crunching efficiency stats and ripping on Zach Randolph in Daily Babbles to come. But until then, which games on the schedules get your competitive juices flowing more than usual?
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Horrifying Indeed
“Vin Baker was the only competent player in green.” Yikes.
Steve, I don’t know if you’ve covered this before, but how does a Brooklyn guy like your father become a Knicks-loathing Celtics fan? (Actually the Knicks-loathing part is pretty self-explanatory but the green part…).
And while we are on the topic of attending horrible Knicks/Celtics games, it recalls that time in that magical(-not) season of 96-97, when there were too many Knicks fans to be acceptable in the Fleet, and somehow that motley 15-wins-to-be crew had a 20 point lead in the first half only to lose the game by 20. That was an exercise in self-abuse.
Obviously the 1990 playoff series engendered some Knick-hatred, but I think what really did it for me was the 25 or so straight victories they had versus the Cs during the 1990s. Nothing I loved more than when that trend almost inversed exactly in the new millenium…(well I loved last season much more actually but you know what I mean)…Anyway, here’s to a big night from Leon!
by Berkcelt on Nov 18, 2008 3:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it was never a good sign when Gin was setting the pace
As you can imagine, that was a rough time of it.
Regarding your inquiry about my father, good question, Berkcelt – we’ll have to ask him about that one (and nope, haven’t covered it). I know The Guru had a CB account in the past but don’t know if it’s still active…if you’re reading this one, Dad, feel free to help us out. Otherwise, I’ll try and remember to ask him when we chat after the game tonight, and I’ll leave a note here.
Love Leon – here’s hoping he gets the nod tonight, although I worry that it will be Air Intangibles. Either way, I’ll take a win however we can get it.
-sw
Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Nov 18, 2008 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Another in a long list of fine articles
Steve-
I’m not much given to fandom outside of the Celtics and the Cowboys, but your consistently fine writing and engaging style prompts me to pay homage. Your analysis is usually spot on but it is your evocative memories of childhood, family, and team-tied heartstrings that make your prose resonate. I am in awe of a year of daily production. I try to put up a 70+ day string of Summer Quandaries on another blog during the off-season doldrums and realize the time, effort, and keep-on keeping-on that a daily column requires—my kudos to you.
by bballee on Nov 18, 2008 3:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks so much for the kind words, bballee
Far too kind, but much, much appreciated. Reactions like yours make this role all the more enjoyable for me.
By the way, where do you post your Summer Qunadaries? Seventy-plus days is no small feat either.
Thanks again for stopping by.
-sw
Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Nov 18, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im with you all the way. Being a native NewYorker and Celtics fan I can understand that whole story. My dad also got me into the Celtics and it just seems so much more fun watching a Knicks game when they are getting thier heads handed to them by the Celtics isnt it?
"Im a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class, especially since I rule."
Randal Graves
by idrinkdetergent on Nov 18, 2008 3:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't agree more, idrinkdetergent
Where are you from in New York?
-sw
Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Nov 18, 2008 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
for some reason
Couldn’t agree more, idrinkdetergent
cracked me up. what a screen name.
I’m also in the same boat along with SW and our soap guzzling friend, but I have an excuse of living outside of Boston up until I was around 5 and had already been hooked on the Celts.
by Green17 on Nov 18, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Outstanding babble!
While I can’t recognized any of the New York/Boston rivalry (as I’m Danish) I can say for sure that I enjoyed this article, brilliant work!
I’ve only got one friend who’s into basketball and he roots for the Pistons , so I guess the Celtics-Pistons matchups are ‘more special’ to me.
I really hope for a blowout tonight as well, the game against the Knicks last season was one of my favourites of all of last year. I can’t explain why, but I think (and hope) Perkins will give Randolph a hard time on both ends – at least if the ref’s let them be physical.
by Shots on Nov 18, 2008 5:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Much thanks, Shots
Got your match-up coming up on Thursday! What nice scheduling for the week…
-sw
Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Nov 18, 2008 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I pity the Knicks, because ...
I lived in NYC during the early 80s, when they sucked real bad: Ken “The Animal” Bannister, Eddie Lee Wilkins, etc. I used to watch them every night (long, long before you could get other teams on cable), knowing that it would be a gloat-fest. And Marv Albert and John Andriese were hilarious!
Excellent post, Steve.
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
by Eeyore III on Nov 18, 2008 6:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Love the reminsicences, Eeyore
and thanks for the kind words, of course. If the Knicks have one asset I’ve long respected, it’s always been their broadcasting teams. From Albert to Breen, Andriese to Frazier, the fellas calling their games are fantastic.
What brought you to NYC? What took ya back out?
-sw
Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Nov 18, 2008 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a long story
Almost everyone from my college went to NYC afterwards, since it’s the art capital of our country, but then I got tired of being poor and left to go to law school. What a mistake!
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
by Eeyore III on Nov 19, 2008 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Steve, thanks to YOU I have time to make my clothes match! ; ) I’d rather read your emotional (and face it, gleeful!) articles than the bland recaps or previews on the “big” sports sites any day.
I grew to like the Celts in a po-dunk Michigan town back in the early ’80s and had to withstand the rise of the Bad Boy Pistons there. Uggh, makes me shudder even now.
Cheers, you won’t be dining alone. Celtics Nation is rooting along with you.
by Thruthelookingglass on Nov 18, 2008 7:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm thrilled to read your kind thoughts, Thruthelookingglass
Sadly, as of right now, it looks like I won’t be dining at all – and tomorrow might be emotional but with a slightly different tone. The sports bar that swore to me that they would have the game had never actually ordered League Pass…leaving me blacked out. I’ve got some extended thoughts coming on this tomorrow, but as you might imagine, I’m a bit frustrated – particularly given the fact that I’m actually blacked out of watching tonight’s game on my own as well.
Given the desire expressed in the verbose mass above, this one stings a bit. Ah, well – as long as Celtics Nation is dining and rooting, I know I’ll have plenty of voices to help let me know what I missed tonight.
-sw
Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Nov 18, 2008 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent article.
I have to quote bballee: “Your analysis is usually spot on but it is your evocative memories of childhood, family, and team-tied heartstrings that make your prose resonate”. I couldn’t said it better myself.
by cordobes on Nov 18, 2008 8:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks much, cordobes
These particular types of pieces sure are fun to write, and I’m just glad to hear this audience seems to enjoy reading them about as much as I do writing them.
Let’s go get ’em tonight!
-sw
Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Nov 18, 2008 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
steve- somehow i missed this one til now. i was a manhattan than a queens boy and a lifer with the green, because i loved red the first time i ever saw him on tv. and the cooz.. i never hated the knicks- harry galatin, kenny sears , richie guerin all were good guys-sweetwater clifton as well and willie naulls did make it over to us. so were clyde and bradley,reed and dave, etal. but i never liked phil jackson, especially when he was hacking up havlicek with the bad shoulder. it sort of was the arrogant ny fans and the plaground bravado that got to me. i was very sad when isaiah did the bad deeds to the knicks even tho i sort of like them losing. no one deserves the horrible owner they have. i also didn’t like the michael ray richardson teams. and i must admit, i did root for the riley knicks against hakeem. keep up the good work.
by nazzbo on Nov 19, 2008 11:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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