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Sergio-Conley Conundrum In Portland?

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Travis Outlaw and Mike Conley are the supposed main characters of a recent trade rumor reported by Yahoo!'s Adrian Wojnarowski.  But deciding which young point guard - Conley or Sergio Rodriguez - is the better investment may be the key to Kevin Pritchard's thinking as the Portland Trail Blazers and Memphis Grizzlies explore a possible multi-player deal.

According to Wojnarowski's report, the deal is going nowhere fast at the moment, but that doesn't make the thought of it any less intriguing.  Word thus far has any potential deal centered on Portland sending Outlaw and Rodriguez to Memphis for Conley, Hakim Warrick and possibly Javaris Crittenton.

Conley was the fourth pick in the 2007 draft and has a history both as an amateur teammate and close friend of one Greg Oden.  The second-year southpaw point guard from Ohio State is only 21 years old and has explosive quickness to the hole and a pass-first mentality.  While he has been largely underwhelming over his first season and change in the pros, Conley averaged better than 11 points and 6 assists per game while shooting nearly 52 percent from the field in his one year as a Buckeye.  He played an impressive NCAA tournament and displayed a skill set throughout that 2006-07 season that helped him nearly to the top of the lottery and left many expecting him to join the NBA's point guard elite in the years to come.  The youngster no doubt has plenty of allure, and while the magnitude of the impact of his relationship with Oden is debatable, his chemistry with the big man could hardly be expected to hurt the Blazers.

But the Portland isn't exactly strapped in its own department of young point guards with upside, and that's where this gets interesting.

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Rodriguez does not have the national name recognition that Conley does because unlike the latter, he did not play collegiate ball for a national finalist, was not a lottery pick and is not Greg Oden's childhood best friend.  But the Spanish guard is just a year older than Conley and has long left some Portland fans smitten with his oodles of potential.  As we discussed in this space recently, the guy sees the floor beautifully and times his passes very well off the dribble and jump-stops, and while he might not have elite-level quickness, he does get in the lane well enough to cause trouble. 

His per-minute production has tantalized the Blazer faithful thus far, with Rodriguez averaging 9.1 assists per 36 minutes in his rookie season, dropping to 7.1 last year and picking that figure back up to 9.9 this season.  That said, he is playing a career-high 15.1 minutes per game right now and thus has put up his production over a rather small sample size thus far.  Like Conley, Rodriguez isn't a great shooter from distance, but after some early-season discord with the coaching staff and front office, he has been playing more and impressing observers with his overall performance at both ends of the floor as of late.  What remains to be seen is whether the young import can be the franchise point guard for this team down the road (Blazer fan readers TheGreatDane417 and einman77 did a fine job of filling us in on fan perspective about this last time we mused about Sergio).

Beyond that first question lies a second for which I don't have an answer: How likely is it that Rodriguez matures into a better player than Conley?

If the Blazers aren't sure that Conley is definitively their preference, it would be imprudent to make a move involving not only Rodriguez but another one of their key players off the bench.  Outlaw scored 13.3 points per game as sixth man a season ago and is currently second to Rudy Fernandez in bench scoring at 11.2 per game for the Blazers.  Though he isn't a favorite in this space, he deserves credit for providing a scoring punch as well as for working to improve his three-point touch in recent seasons, shooting 39.6 percent a season ago and getting off to a hot start at 49 percent from deep this season.  A six-year vet, the Starkville High School product is only 24 years old, and the versatile backup small forward plays starter minutes (27.9 per game) and is currently an important part of this team.  While Warrick might be able to provide some similar features to those of Outlaw's game, the timing seems odd to mess with the young core of a team that is just starting to hit its stride if the front office isn't certain of an upgrade here.

Meanwhile, one would be remiss to leave Jerryd Bayless out of the discussion.  The rookie combo guard from Arizona could factor into the mix with Sergio as well for point guard of the future in the land of the Rose Garden.  While veteran Steve Blake continues to hold down the starting spot, he isn't believed to be the long-term solution there, and the Blazers traded for Bayless on draft night as another eventual alternative.  There are concerns about his overly shoot-first nature, but the guy does have an explosiveness and an ability to stretch the floor with his touch, and that could prove valuable for the Blazers as well.

When I first caught wind of this rumor, my impulse was to jump at the idea of bringing in Conley from the Blazers' perspective.  The guy wasn't picked fourth overall in the draft by accident.  Between playing under an inexperienced head coach and alongside two high-usage-low-sharing wing players in O.J. Mayo and Rudy Gay, he hasn't been in the easiest situation in Memphis.  I'm still quite a believer that this guy has it in him to become a big-time point guard in the Association.  But after mulling it over and reading Dave's post as well as the discussion from the well-informed fan base over at Blazer's Edge (love that site), I'm finding myself wondering (even as someone who wouldn't be too concerned about dumping Outlaw) if Conley represents enough of an upgrade over Rodriguez (or even Bayless) in the long-term.

That's the thing about potential: We never truly know what it's worth before it is actualized.  So please, you tell me: Would dealing for Mike Conley be a no-brainer for the Blazers, or would we (and the Blazers' front office) be best served to take a sip of the Sergio Rodriguez kool-aid?

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The real question is why Memphis wants Travis Outlaw. What’s the point?

by Brickowski on Nov 30, 2008 2:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I asked this in a fanpost to the right. The only thing I can think of is you go small ball with Outlaw. He spent the majority of last season at the 4, he;s 6-9 and he’s not weak by any means. Rodriguez runnin the point, Mayo and Gay scoring, Outlaw ummm….scoring (being very useful in transition?), and Gasol down low, they’ll be a good team running. I was thinkin Kings circa 2000 with White Chocolate…but this time with spanish chocolate.

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by indeedproceed on Nov 30, 2008 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone

Portland fan here. KP gave Sergio the vote of confidence & so do I. If anything Bayless is gone, Conley must earn his PT in Bayless’s spot.

by TheGreatDane17 on Dec 1, 2008 11:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why for Portland? I dont see Conley and Warrick as big upgrades over Rodriguez and Outlaw, if at all. Crittendon is the throw-in I guess to make salary work. Appeasement for Oden? He isnt playing well enough to make big demands is he?

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by billysan on Nov 30, 2008 3:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

At the end of the day, both teams have justifiable reasons to get rid of the players they’re dumping (Conley, Rodriguez, Outlaw), but the players they’re trading for doesn’t make any sense. If the Grizzlies were trading Conley for Rodriguez and Channing Frye it would make way more sense.

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by indeedproceed on Nov 30, 2008 3:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agree'd.

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by faith on Dec 3, 2008 1:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good question

One year ago I’d have said that going for Conley would be the right move. Not a no-brainer, but a better option. Now, I’m not so sure, because, in all honesty, Lowry looks frequently as Memphis best point-guard. I thought Conley could defend, he still can’t; I thought his shooting would improve, it didn’t.

I think they need to answer some other questions previously: assuming Roy and Fernandez are part of the future of their guard rotation, what kind of point guard they need to pair with them? A creative guy, who needs the ball in his hands to make plays for him and for the others? A ball dominant point guard? Even if his name is not Chris Paul or Steve Nash? Or a guy who can bring the ball up, don’t turn it over often, initiate the offense, play well off-the-ball and shoot it? How important is pg defense for them? And at what tempo they want to play? At the extremely slow pace they’re playing now or do they plan to run more in the future? Are they going to have a frontcourt that can score inside or will they need a slashing pg to ease their current overreliance on outside shooting? And most importantly, will any of these 3 youngsters be better than Blake, at least in the next 3 or 4 years?

by cordobes on Nov 30, 2008 3:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

For folks interested in more on this deal,

be sure to check out IndeedProceed’s fanpost on the subject here. Like me, he’s a fan of both of the point guards rumored to be involved, and he tackles potential deal more from the Grizzlies’ angle as well.

IP, hope I didn’t steal any thunder here – this was written last night before I hopped on a plane this morning, I promise :-D Keep on fightin’ the good fight in the “Free Sergio!” campaign.

And as referenced above, Blazer’s Edge has posts and comments galore.

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by Steve Weinman on Nov 30, 2008 3:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know why Pritchard would mess with a 12-6 first place young team.

At this point, Rodriguez-Conley would seem to favor Memphis. At this point, Outlaw-Warrick would seem to favor Memphis. Portland probably doesn’t have a roster spot for Crittendon.

Maybe down the road the chemistry would be better. But I don’t know how you mess with a 12-6 team. In spite of missing it’s franchise player most of the season so far.

by Finkelskyhook on Nov 30, 2008 5:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

There are a couple things not directly related to the trade that might make the Blazers more interested in making a move.

One, is that PG is our weakest position and we’re not really interested in standing pat. Blake is liability on defense. Sergio can’t shoot and isn’t very good at defense himself.

The second is that Martell Webster is coming back from an injury soon and it will create a log jam at SF. This is a bigger problem than you would think, because it will likely take a lot of minutes away from Nicolas Batum—who is viewed as our SF of the future (and frequently plays better than Outlaw right now).

That being said, I’m more interested in Lowry than Conley; but, I’m not sure either of them is worth giving up Outlaw.

by wepto on Dec 1, 2008 3:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Blake is liability on defense. Sergio can’t shoot and isn’t very good at defense himself."

Don’t let reality sway you here. The Blazer guards shut down Dwayne Wade, Chris Paul and Allen Iverson on consecutive nights.

Granted it was good team defense, not just individual effort, but it’s hard to imagine how you could ask for better defense form a backcourt. Maybe hold these guys to negative numbers?

by raoulduke on Dec 1, 2008 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You mess with a 12-6 team because Conley will bring the best out of Oden.

by Brickowski on Nov 30, 2008 8:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

What makes you think he’d make any difference besides making Oden feel more at home? Oden is averaging 8 pts and 8 boards while A) coming back from injury and B) sharing PT with Aldridge, Pryzbilla and Frye. He’s also just a rookie still learning the NBA game. Maybe Conley does make Oden marginally better, but Outlaw was a both a viable sixth man of the year candidate and comeback player of the year candidate. Where is the substance that Conley is going to be anything other than another dude Oden can play guitar hero with?

I don’t think you can just point to the NCAA title run as proof. That team had Cook Oden and Conley, thats 3 first round picks. That kinda talent paired with the fact that Oden was picked first for a reason (supposed once and lifetime big skills) can explain away a lot of that success beyond Oden and Conley’s chemistry.

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by indeedproceed on Nov 30, 2008 8:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But Rodriguez brings the best out of Rudy Fernandez.

That combo has some sick alley-oops in every game.

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by Blazerholic on Dec 1, 2008 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Its important to involve Bayless in the long-term calculus

While he’s currently riding pine, he’s a high-upside 19 year old rookie. Its just as likely that Bayless is the long term PG as Sergio.

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by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2008 1:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Conley won't take minutes from Blake this year

and would be hard-pressed to take them from Bayless in future. We only do this deal if we are trading Bayless as part of a package for a star SF.

If Pritchard cared about having “a friend for Greg” he wouldn’t have traded Josh McRoberts to Indiana.

Oden is the kind of guy who is likely to be able to actually, you know, make new friends. It isn’t as if Portland is a team of guys who aren’t friendly to each other.

I don’t see this happening. Pritchard is on record as not liking mid-season trades because of the disruption to chemistry. Portland is starting to find that good team chemistry now, and putting the league on notice. KP will only make a move if it is a clear upgrade at the position he’s acquiring.

Conley is not a clear upgrade over Blake today, and he is not a clear upgrade in potential for the future over either Sergio or Bayless. You could argue the point that he’s better today than Blake, or that he’ll be better than those guys in the future. But you would definitely get an argument back.

You don’t make a trade which may not improve you when you’re starting to roll.

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by jscot on Dec 1, 2008 3:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

great takes from everyone here

I’m here because BlazersEdge posted a link…I’ve always liked the Celtics, as I know y’all hate the L*kers as much, if not more, than we do (same for the sox…I can’t stand the Yan*ees either)…

Anyhow, that said, I forgot i wasn’t on Blazersedge about halfway through y’alls comments. I can’t believe how well you know our players from 3000 miles away! Kudos to you for being great fans of the game and understanding what you are talking about. Let’s hope we meet in the finals for years to come!

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by saregister on Dec 1, 2008 2:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Blazers need another player who can beat his man with regularity off the dribble. Whether that’s a point or a wing, they need it. They need that player to be a good passer, playmaker and have some scoring ability.

Remember the Blazers-Celtics games last season?
Remember what the C’s did to Steve Blake?

That’s the reason why we’re having this conversation and why it’s important to the Blazers.

Did you see what Detroit did to Portland the other night with their full court pressure? That’s another reason.

Is Mike good enough to answer the bell? It’s unclear. Conley had a great game late last season against none other than the Blazers when he showed those exact skills, the capability is there skill wise and physically. I question his mentality though and whether he’ll do it consistently.

by Who on Dec 1, 2008 3:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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