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On the 3-1 Screen Roll

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Sometimes, the simple solution is best.  Especially when it comes to getting good looks for Paul Pierce.

As ESPN's Mark Jones noted during the telecast of last night's Celtics-Hawks game (and we touched on earlier this season), the Celtics seem to be growing increasingly reliant on the 3-1 screen roll for Pierce, particularly late in games.

I love it, particularly when Eddie House is on the floor.

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Let's semi-disclaim the following by throwing out the warning ahead of time that this is purely anecdotal.  I haven't found a site that breaks down the regularity with which the Celtics run their offensive sets, and I've yet to do the necessary film study to take care of this manually.  But as i observed in November, it seems the Celtics are using the 3-1 screen play with far greater regularity than they did a season ago.

It's as simple as it gets.  The C's put the ball in Paul Pierce's hands coming up court.  The point guard - usually House, though they do occasionally try to run this with Rajon Rondo - screens Pierce's man between the foul line and top of the key.  House rolls hard off his screen back out to the perimeter opposite Pierce, usually going toward the left wing as the captain brings the ball back to his right. 

Suddenly, the Celtics are likely to have at least one of two favorable looks.  If the defenders try to go through the screen, Pierce can give the ball right to House, an excellent three-point shooter with one of the quickest releases in the game.  Few defenders going through that screen are going to be able to get to House in time to contest his shot with any efficacy.  This means that the defense is probably going to have to switch on the screen because the trigger-happy House is always a threat to start scoring in bunches from the outside. 

The switch, of course, is even better for the Celtics.  It matches up Paul Pierce with a point guard, usually at the top of the key.  As long as the rest of the Celtics space the floor, the defense is in trouble.  With a smaller defender on him, Pierce can get himself an easy look for a foul line jumper that he knows won't be adequately contested, or he can pound the defender even further inside and look to overpower him going to the rim. 

Again, this is wholly anecdotal, but it seems as though the Celtics look to go to this set in the fourth quarter more than at any other point.  Maybe it has something to do with Pierce's tendency to take over when the game hangs in the balance; maybe not.  The three games that come to mind when it was particularly useful are the Toronto game in the second week of November and both Atlanta games.  All three games were close in the fourth quarter, and in all three instances, the Celtics got buckets by getting Jose Calderon and Mike Bibby switched onto The Truth, who promptly abused them.  Pulling up from 12 to 17 feet seems to be Paul's bread and butter in those situations, and he is lethal from that distance without a defender being physically able to literally get in his face. 

The set clearly works best with House because of his outside shooting touch.  The Celts have tried it with Rondo in a few instances (as they did last night), and it predictably hasn't seen as much success because opponents rightfully would much rather make Rondo beat them with an outside shot than give Pierce the mismatch he wants.  The principal hope is that Rondo's jumper improves over time to the point that defenses have to respect him from there.  For now, I wouldn't mind seeing the team try to utilize the 3-1 screen with him as well by having him look to attack the rim off the screen.  Last night in particular, Rondo did a good job of moving without the ball in general and getting himself lay-ups off of basket cuts while the bigs had the ball on the wings and low block.  As long as the Celtics make sure they clear the low post big man to the opposite block to avoid clogging the lane, rolling Rondo toward the rim from time to time could wreak havoc on opponents thanks to the point guard's quickness and explosiveness around the basket. 

Though the preference here remains to reserve it at least a bit more for when Eddie House is on the floor, the 3-1 screen roll set for Paul Pierce has become a successful part of the Celtics' offensive repertoire.  It is hard for defenses to play effectively, it gets the Celtics at least two good looks and it doesn't involve reliance on anyone whose next legal screen this season will be his first.  Kudos to Doc and the coaching staff for successfully integrating this look into the offense.

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Good observation, Steve.

Last night I was contemplating this same thing, how the Celtics kept managing to get the much smaller Bibby on Pierce. I might add, Pruitt may be a good enough shooter that he could do this particular play almost as well as House.

by no kidding on Dec 18, 2008 1:17 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In hindsight, I realize I sound like a fool, patting myself on the back. So let me add, I forgot all about my initial observation moments after it occurred. (But you, Steve, didn’t.)

by no kidding on Dec 18, 2008 1:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heh, no worries, no kidding

I didn’t exactly shy away from the self-applause with the “we touched on this earlier in the season” – and your Pruitt point is a good one. When he gets more opportunities, I’d like to see the C’s use this as I think it would get Gabe more involved in the offense with looks that he should be comfortable with. Good stuff, as always.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Dec 18, 2008 3:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Hawks Ran It Too

Which left Rondo guarding Joe Johnson on several occasions.

But Rondo is amuch better defender than Bibby.

by Brickowski on Dec 18, 2008 1:22 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeps

It’s becoming one of the signature plays of this team.

We’re doing a lot more screening this season than the past one, not only on-the-ball but off it as well. At least that’s my perception.

by cordobes on Dec 18, 2008 1:26 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed, cordobes

My only complaint at this point is that (as I a bit too snidely pointed out above) I’d like our bigs (namely Davis) to stop moving on their screens. I can only see so many turnovers a game on rightfully called illegal picks before I start pulling my hair out.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Dec 18, 2008 3:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This kills me!

My friend and I were just talking about this a few hours ago! Why does Baby need to hip check guards every time he sets a screen? Why isnt Doc correcting this??

by action781 on Dec 18, 2008 3:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Action, I wish I had answer for you

I’m just glad to know my eyes aren’t deceiving me and that I’m not the only one bothered by it. I can’t even flip out at the refs on those calls because, again, I think the vast majority are clearly legit fouls. It’s been a problem for just about all of our bigs, though I think Baby is the ringleader with Perk a distant (and fast improving) second. I’m pretty sure I heard on a recent telecast that we’re leading the league in offensive fouls.

Ah, well…I’m glad these are the things we’re worried about as we sit here at 24-2 with a 16-game winning streak.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Dec 18, 2008 3:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Part of the blame here has to go to the man with the ball as just about every player not named Pierce or Tay Allen start their use of the screen before the pick is set and/or don’t cut the edge on the pick sharp enough, semi-forcing the screener into an illegal screen or necessitating a bit of a cheat with a hip check.

Eddie House, Rondo, and especially Tony Allen do this quite often. Just wait the half second more before making the move and cut that edge close so the screen will work and all the other garbage isn’t needed.

by nickagneta on Dec 18, 2008 9:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And PERKINS

6 years in the NBA and you can’t set a pick. Saddening, really.

God bless and good night!

by BrickJames on Dec 19, 2008 10:40 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Off subject

But I was watching ESPN’s “1st and 10” and Jemelle Hill was on their and the question was “What did the celtics prove to you last night” and she said “they proved to me they could win close games in the clutch without James Posey, their most clutch player last year”
Hahahaha, James Posey was clutch, but our most clutch player last year? what a joke…I really dont remember him being very clutch in the regular season and most of the playoffs, although he was dynamite in the Finals.

..Ive also Noticed Posey is playing at a higher level right now with the Hornets and learned alot while playing with the celtics

by TheAncientRivalry on Dec 18, 2008 3:07 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Most clutch" is certainly questionable, especially on this team

But to say he wasn’t clutch in the regular season or most of the playoffs isn’t fair either. There’s no doubt Posey’s impact was most felt in the playoffs, but he came up with his share of timely treys (especially late in quarters to stretch leads out) over the course of the year. More importantly, though, he did plenty over the early portion of the playoffs. Pose played a huge role in the Celtics’ victories in Games 1 and 2 against Cleveland (and he was doing more guarding of LBJ at that point prior to the Celtics going toward using Pierce more and more later in the series), and he had the steal from Tayshaun Prince that effectively sealed the ECFs.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Dec 18, 2008 3:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Posey was huge for us, and he certainly was the most clutch guy coming off the bench last season, although In the regular season House hit as many or more clutch and timely 3’s.
 I loved that steal on tayshaun, but it was Pierce, KG, and even Rondo that took over that 4th quarter.
I miss Posey but it was pretty funny how people assumed we’d fall apart in the clutch without a role player…Grasping at straws

by TheAncientRivalry on Dec 18, 2008 4:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm with you on all of that,TAR

and again, not claiming that Posey was necessarily our “most clutch” player. It’s a tough competition for that spot when there are three All-Stars on one’s team. Just wanted to clarify that he was clutch beyond just the Finals.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Dec 18, 2008 4:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well he also had a really dumb foul/TO iirc

in the ECF right before that steal that let Detroit inch closer. We’ve won a lot of close games this year. I’m not worried about us in close games really. You won’t win them all though. Talk of clutch is overdone. Its about making sure the game isn’t close in my book!

by Fafnir on Dec 18, 2008 5:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Excellent and educational post, professor. This play seems to work consistently.

 I know it makes you crazy as it does the rest of us to see all of the illegal screens set on some of these offensive sets. But we’ve seen improvement from Perk this season. I think somebody with Davis’ basketball IQ will follow in that progress. Perk never had to do any of this kind of thing in high school and in several games I saw Davis in I rarely
saw him doing any screening or picking. He normally created ala Twoine with deft passes.

I think Posey’s clutch plays will be replaced by Paul or Ray. They’re not getting the minutes they got last season and if that keeps up, they’ll be plenty fresh to take on any minutes needed in the playoffs. Tony, Glen and Leon are ions better than last season. Posey isn’t missed much on a two-loss team.

by Finkelskyhook on Dec 18, 2008 4:04 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for the kind words as always, FSK

I agree completely about Perk and Davis – though it admittedly doesn’t give me much consolation in the heat of the moment when I’m raging at my television set. I’ll owe Perk more than a couple of praise pieces later in the season if his development keeps up – I spent a lot of time during his first five seasons in the league making my frustration with him known, and I’ve really been more and more impressed each time I watch him this season. There is still a lot of work to be done, but I think he has made great strides. I’m hoping that you’re right about BBD following as far as progress is concerned.

I think we’ll learn more about how much or little Posey is missed in the spring, but here’s hoping this team keeps on cruising. This winning deal works for me.

Always a pleasure to hear from you.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Dec 18, 2008 4:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is amazing how far Perk has come. The few pre-Celtic highlights I got to see were almost comical. Perk looked an uncoordinated, unskilled giant playing JR high school-caliber basketball against grossly overmatched competition. It’s amazing anybody saw anything but size in him. That’s why good scouts make big bucks, I guess.

By the time Garnett is gone Perk will be a middle-classed man’s Chief and with Rondo, usher us into a new, competitive era…..If he can stay on the court.

by Finkelskyhook on Dec 18, 2008 4:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m definitely surprised with some of the offensive moves and confidence that Perkins is developing. Whatever Ainge saw in Perkins prior to his drafting, I hope he correctly saw something similar in Patrick O’Byrant prior to his signing. Fortunately for O’Bryant, as the one day hoped for back-up center, he won’t have to fill such a vital role as the starting Perkins.

by no kidding on Dec 18, 2008 5:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the "one-day hoped for back-up center"

A nice way to put in a nutshell that the expectation bar isn’t particularly high here. C’mon, POB, give us something…

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Dec 18, 2008 5:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I particularly am starting to admire his Kevin McHale-like double fake and back under and up layups that he has been doing down on the left side post. He’s fooled some pretty good defensive players with that move including Dwight Howard and Emeka Okafor and made Greg Oden look silly on it twice in the Portland game.

by nickagneta on Dec 18, 2008 9:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Moving picks are often the fault of the man for whom the pick is being set. If the player with the ball lacks patience and makes his cut too soon, the man setting the pick can be hung out to dry.

by Brickowski on Dec 18, 2008 6:08 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

While this is true,

as action781 points out above, we’ve seen certain bigs this year, namely BBD, unnecessarily turn their bodies into defenders after he is set and as the player is making his cut. I’m not putting those types of plays on the ball-handlers.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Dec 18, 2008 6:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

high risk low reward

the worst part is that it is so high risk and low reward. lets say the pick is not a good one and that causes a broken play resulting in the ballhandler having to go one on one – note, this is the worst case scenario. I can still live with that, I can live with what is usually our last (and unstoppable) offensive option, our bail out shot, which is a KG jumper from around the top of the key or b or c – rondo throwing himself at the basket, or PP or RA tossing up a jumper on a one or two dribble drive with a hand in their face. I can live with all those shots over this silly turn over that usually happens early in the shot clock.

That said, it should be noted that it is one of those borderline calls where the infraction occurs all the time, virtually every single time the big (on all teams) gives a the guard a little piece of his behind. BBD and Perk are just a trying a little too hard and giving it too much, and when you consider just how much BBD has to offer in that, ahem, department, it is no wonder they get caught alot.

by chicagogreen on Dec 18, 2008 7:09 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BBD sets a great pick, and so does Perkins. For every play where those guys get called for moving picks, there are five where the man using the pick gets open for an easy opportunity, either a dribble drive or a catch-and-shoot jumper.

Garnett also sets and excellent pick, and he’s been called a few times as well.

by Brickowski on Dec 18, 2008 8:54 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This debate is useless without film

I think that many times our screeners move and hip check too much; even when the screened was already caught. There are cases where the ball-handler doesn’t hit the screen hard enough, but that’s no reason to run the risk of a turnover most of the times. Part of it is a by-product of the aggressive mentality they play with, so I’m okay with some of that, but the execution can improve.

by cordobes on Dec 19, 2008 7:10 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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