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Dilemma Upcoming In Cavs' Front Office?

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When I wrote two weeks ago about the Cleveland Cavaliers' hot start to the season, I concluded with a prediction about the front office activities to come in Cleveland:

Mike Brown has his defense running smoothly as usual in Cleveland.  But it's that top-ranked offense that adds a new danger factor to this Cavs team. 

Well, that and the fact that the Cavs are only expected to get better come February when they move a couple of expiring contracts for a veteran contributor.

The rumors have swirled since the season's start.  The Cavs have Wally Szczerbiak ($13 million expiring contract) and Anderson Varejao ($5.8 million this year, $6.2 million player option for next year) to use as trade bait to bring in help if they so desire.  Shawn Marion's name has been at the forefront for a while, though there was a brief, pre-Billups myth of Carmelo Anthony possibly heading to Cleveland.  CBS' Ken Berger recently shot down reports of talks between the Cavs and Nets about Vince Carter, but he mentioned that he expects the rumors of big names heading to Cleveland to continue to circulate.

When I made the initial comment earlier this month, it was with the belief that for any star or pseudo-star without a particularly discouraging history of loafing (sorry, Vince), making such a move would be a no-brainer for the Cavs.

Upon further internal consideration, I'm not so sure.

Star-divide

On one hand, as we discussed after Phoenix acquired Jason Richardson, there is always something to be said for acquiring the best player in a deal.  A player like Marion, for instance (since his name has been the most bandied about, and moving him could make sense for Miami) would clearly be the greatest talent in a deal for Szczerbiak and Varejao.  He is a four-time All-Star who averages 18 points and 10 boards per game for his career, logs plenty of minutes and plays well at both ends of the floor, though he is off to a rough start to the season.

Szczerbiak and Varejao are far from having those sorts of resumes.  So from that angle, a deal sounds like a slam dunk for the Cavs, as I imagine it would for most other big-name players that might come up in similar rumors.  With the exception of one LeBron James, this is a Cavs team that seems to leave plenty of room for improvement on an individual level at each of the other positions on the floor.  Zydrunas Ilgauskas isn't going anywhere, but it's hard to imagine the Cavs not at least listening to offers to upgrade the rest of their lineup.  Trades like the one described above seem to make a lot of sense from the standpoint of the pure basketball talent involved.

But on the other side, the adage that comes to mind is "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."  The Cavs haven't just been good so far.  They've been excellent - in all facets of the game.  The Cavs are ranked first in offensive efficiency and second in defensive efficiency.  Their differential is an average of plus-13.2 points per game, and 19 of their 23 wins have come by double-digit margins.  This team isn't winning games by accident.

It is winning games because, as we discussed last time, everyone is playing a defined role.  Mo Williams adds another ball-handler and scoring threat.  Delonte West is shooting the ball with great efficacy as an off-guard who stretches the floor for LeBron, Williams and Big Z.  Varejao and Ben Wallace are cleaning the glass, taking charges and generally making it hard to get points in the paint against the Cavs.  Wally World is putting up a 55.6 percent true shooting mark.  Daniel Gibson hasn't even found his shooting stroke yet, and the Cavs are functioning at a higher level than at any point during Bron's tenure in town. 

What all this means is that I'm glad I don't have Danny Ferry's job.  That's primarily because the conflict of interest (you know, being a Celtics fan and all) would probably cause me major issues when I started dumping Cavs for ten cents on the dollar, starting with begging Danny Ainge to find a way to make Patrick O'Bryant's salary match LeBron's.  But even if my intentions were more sincere, I'd have no clue how softly to tread with this Cavaliers team.

This is a team that has clearly established itself as one of the top few contenders for the 2009 NBA title.  The Cavs are playing dominant basketball at both ends of the floor.  Bringing in a big-time player would mess with their rotation even beyond the likely subtraction of Varejao, perhaps the team's best interior defender.  The later the deal happens this season, the less time the team would have to get re-acclimated in time to be at its best for the playoffs.  But as long as the team continues to perform at its current level, the tougher it will be for the Cavs' front office to believe that Cleveland can't beat the likes of the Lakers or Celts as currently constructed.

So what should the Cavs be looking to do?

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The Cavs should be looking to stand pat, just like the Celtics. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

Marion isn’t the answer for the Cavs. They don’t need more defense. Plus, he’s a rental. He’ll walk if you don’t resign him for big bucks.

As for Carter, he sulks and loafs on D. He’s absolutely the last player the Cavs need.

Everyone could use Rasheed Wallace, but I doubt if the Cavs have the pieces to get him.

by Brickowski on Dec 22, 2008 1:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You know, that adage is great if the goal is to be above-average. There’s no doubt that making a trade now would certainly mess up the great chemistry they’ve got going on (though, as we’ve seen in the past, LeBron can pretty much will them into the playoffs, so it’s not like I think there’s a risk they’ll miss it unless he gets injured.) That being said, the goal of the NBA is to win championships, not games in December. Whether you love them or hate them, we all have to admit that for the Cavs to get to the Finals they’re going to likely have to go through Detroit (and, yes, I know they’re flailing a bit right now, but they’re still a force in the East with their playoff experience.), and DEFINITELY through Boston. As of right now, the Cavs are 0-3 against the Celtics and 0-2 against the Pistons.

So, really, what’s the point of the status quo? At the very least, Wally should be moved if you’re serious about contending this year. If all they do is tread water, making it to the playoffs and getting a few rounds but ultimately getting knocked out, LeBron won’t stay, and then where will the Cavs be? All their loyalty will mean nothing. The only good reason to keep the expiring contract is to pursue someone in free agency this summer, though who’s really there that they could afford?

Frankly, EVERY player should be available if your goal is to win a championship, and that rule should apply to every team, even our beloved Celtics. I understand it’s blasphemy to suggest it, but if Ainge could make a deal involving one of the Big Three that would better position us to win championships now and in the future, I’d support his pulling the trigger no matter who it was. The same should apply to the Cavs. Fans tend to be a whole lot more forgiving of trading away their favorite players when the result is a title.

by BUTerrier on Dec 22, 2008 1:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That’s not an issue for the Cavs. LeBron is untouchable. Everyone else is tradeable.

Quite frankly, I don’t see anyone obtainable who is a better fit than Szczerbiak right now. One possible offer would be Szczerbiak and either West or Gibson for Lamar Odom, but if you were the Lakers, would you make that deal? Suppose the Lakers also wanted JJ Hickson as a sweetner. Would you do that if you were Cleveland?

Szczerbiak has his limitations, but he’ll hit the open J and always make his free throws, which is a huge consideration in a close playoff game.

by Brickowski on Dec 22, 2008 2:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

A person could hope that the Cavs would be idiotic enough to trade for the tanker Carter. Except that any trade that takes him off the Nets roster makes the Nets more formidable.

by Finkelskyhook on Dec 22, 2008 2:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I knew there would be a follow up to that comment about Wally's status

And I think you bring up an excellent subject Steve. Does Ferry keep things as they are because of the way things are going right now or does he look to upgrade while possibly taking a slight step back in the regular season standings to increase his chances of winning in the playoffs?

Tough call but after watching Wally and Wallace in the playoffs last year I can’t see Ferry thinking holding onto Wally and letting him expire as being something he would do because he’s going to need a lot more defense from the two guard slot and more offense from the PF slot. Varejao and the expiring contract known as Wally can bring in an awful lot.

Marion might be a good fit but Ferry needs to be very careful who he brings in. Marion is a me first player and Vince Carter a well known slacker who plays soft. Ferry is going to have to stay away from the lazy, me first, head cases that most clubs are going to want to dump. He might be best off settling keeping Varejao and dumping Wally for a couple of mid level talents are good role model team first guys.

I’m thinking a team like Portland who might want some experience would be a good fit for a trade or maybe a team that wants to dump salary like Memphis or Phoenix.

by nickagneta on Dec 22, 2008 2:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

cleveland has a short window the length of lebron’s contract to get something done so i don’t blame them for searching. i personally would keep varajao because he is a tiger on the boards, but i would have kept big al and gomes and look where that would have got me. carter has stats and that’s it. marion would help them but he is big bucks and not worth what he gets. a multi player deal like last year might do it. they see the celtics this year and are worried and i don’t blame them. somehow, i wish we had kept dwest.

by nazzbo on Dec 22, 2008 2:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Add Pieces

I think the Cavs have learned a lesson from the Celtics last season,never be content with what you have.There is always room for improvement and D.Ferry most likely will make a move before this season is done.I see them adding a BIG to their bench .

by house_call on Dec 22, 2008 2:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I can certainly see them adding a Joe Smith. But I don’t see them adding anyone with Wally’s contract and Varejao.

by Brickowski on Dec 22, 2008 3:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If I understand Cleveland’s cap situation correctly, they almost have to trade Wally, don’t they? Since they are over the cap, isn’t it true that they could only re-sign Wally and not be able make an offer to a big free agent this summer or next? If they make a trade for a longer contract (like Carter’s), they can keep that player, or if they make a trade for someone who expires this year (like Marion) but who they might like to extend, they can get someone who they might have around for awhile. Otherwise, they can only sign Wally. And who wants that.

Then again, maybe I misunderstand Cleveland’s situation.

by Ersatz on Dec 22, 2008 3:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Off subject

Watching Steven A and Skip Bayless on ESPNs 1st and 10, and the question was “are the celtics better this year” and of course Posey came up and they decided we were a better regular season team, but wont be a better playoff team (even though it took us more games to win the title than any team ever last year)
Anways, what bothered me was how they kept saying how Cleveland is way better yadaa yadda yadda, but is it just me or could the same thing be said about the cavs but even more so, that they’ve just become a better regular season team???

by TheAncientRivalry on Dec 22, 2008 3:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

steven i smith is a blithering idiot. Skip Bayless plays one on TV. I don’t know how anybody would listen to either one. Let alone take in what they say. steven has never been right about anything.

Clearly by watching them, Both teams are better.

by Finkelskyhook on Dec 22, 2008 3:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Varejao is a very valuable player for Cleveland, especially considering the ages both Ben Wallace and Big Z. Also, that if Cleveland get that big man in 2010 (Amare, Bosh, Dirk?), they’ll need a defensive presence like Varejao next to him.

It would be better if they could find another piece to move along with Wally. Maybe Pavlovic or even Gibson? If they’d give up Snow’s contract that would be great. I like Hickson but he isn’t important enough to me to turn down a deal that I feel gives Cleveland a much better chance at a title.

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Anyway,

I think there’s a lot of virtue to gaining a second star for Cleveland, I think you give LeBron a true #2 option and something incredible will happen. I’m not convinced Marion is good enough to be that, but Vince Carter would be.

I think this regular season success is also false security for where the Cavs really. I also think their playoff success against Boston last year is creating a false sense of security, because I don’t see Rondo+Ray+Pierce performing anywhere near as badly this time around, and one wonders if a few of their players contributions can be equaled (Joe+Wally). The difference between Boston and Cleveland is a lot bigger than it presently looks.

I don’t think it’s a hard decision for Cleveland, if a deal is available (for that #2 option) they should make it because they need.

by Who on Dec 22, 2008 3:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

From Cleveland’s perspective, Marion would make me nervous only because he’s such a primadonna. If he couldn’t deal with playing second banana to Steve Nash, who’s to say that he’s going to be happy playing next to LeBron? He’s a guy who has publicly expressed that he’s more concerned about being “The Man” than playing on a Championship-caliber team.

BUT – he wants to get paid, and he gets paid by playing his hindquarters off for the next few months and into June. Otherwise, I don’t see him getting a contract near what he seems to be expecting. I mean, he’ll get paid, but he isn’t going to get PAID!

And, he would improve Cleveland’s frontcourt a lot. Anyone know how he’s matched up historically against KG? He makes me nervous because, ugly or not, you’ve got to respect his outside shooting so that’s likely to take KG or Perk out of the paint. He’s long and athletic enough where he ought to be able to at least make life difficult for KG. You’d much rather have him out there at the PF spot than Big Ben; let Ben to back up Z at the 5.

If you can do that deal, I think you have to make it. You’ve got to figure that Mo and Delonte will be (or at least could) take most of Wally’s minutes in the postseason, and Boobie should be able to contribute as well. Sideshow Bob’s not a bad guy to have around, especially since he can play at the 5 a little, but he’s nowhere near the player that Matrix is. You can live without Sideshow if you’ve got Marion, Z, and Ben in the frontcourt. Who knows, maybe Wally could even do a McDyess; does Miami really NEED him? Could they buy him out, let him rest for thirty days, then Cleveland bring him back?

LeBron NEEDS a legitimate running mate. I’m the biggest Delonte fan in the world, but he’s not a real #2. Mo’s been better than I thought, but still…. you need another star/near-star, preferrably in the front court (no Vince; two guards don’t win you anything, especially since he’d just be peeling minutes away from Mo and Delonte).

by theBird on Dec 22, 2008 5:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Kevin Garnett ripped apart the Suns in his final few seasons in Minnesota

06-07 – 3 games – 34ppg, 15rpg on 61% shooting
05-06 – 3 games – 24ppg, 14ppg, 3apg on 51% shooting
04-05 – 4 games – 24ppg, 16rpg, 5apg on 54% shooting

KG had some of his finest games in those three years against the Suns. The Suns had nobody that could defend him.

by Who on Dec 22, 2008 5:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Cavs should do nothing and save their pennies to open the vault for Lebron’s extension this summer. Everything the Cavs can accomplish in the next decade hinge on retaining Lebron.

Boston Celtics - 2008 World Champions

by QuinielaBox on Dec 22, 2008 5:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The per 36 numbers on Marion (37mpg) vs Varejao (26mpg)

Marion – 11.8ppg, 8.5rpg, 1.7apg plus 1.3bpg, 1.3spg
Varejao – 12.2ppg, 9.4rpg, 1.6apg plus 1.4spg, 1.0bpg

Varejao is a vastly superior interior defender while Marion is vastly superior perimeter defender.

Varejao is a 26 year old big man who is on a modest contract, and is still improving. Marion is a 30 year old combo forward who will demand a massive contract, and is declining.

by Who on Dec 22, 2008 6:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well sure, Cleveland is willing to package Szczerbiak with Gibson or Varejao.

But for what? Marion and Carter are not good fits. Sheed’s contract is expiring too and you can be sure that Detroit will demand alot more than that if it trades Sheed at the deadline. So who are you going to bring in? Odom? Kirilenko? Brad Miller? JO? Shaq?

by Brickowski on Dec 22, 2008 6:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I hope and pray they make a big trade because they would be fools to trade away Varejao. If the rumors are true that they’d get Carter or Marion – fantastic, bring ‘em on. I would pay to see Carter play for the Cavs. He’s a Celtic dream come true. Please Danny ferry…please please get Vince Carter.

You think AI can tear the Pistons apart you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

The ONLY thing standing between the C’s and banner #18 is injuries.

If PP plays Lebron the way he did last year on D and they play team D, we win. Do you honestly think King James will be giving up the rock to anyone come crunch time?

by timpiker on Dec 22, 2008 6:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The bigs

of Ben Wallace and Z are on the decline in their careers. The Cavs would be wise to shore up a talented big for the long term to keep Lebron happy.

by JBcat on Dec 22, 2008 7:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Lebron = NYC

It’s an interesting topic…..but….Prince James is walking ..to New York (although he won’t be called for steps)

by Fastbreak1 on Dec 22, 2008 8:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Cleveland’s got a lot of problems. To me they are very similar to what KG went through in Minnesota. A superstar but not a lot of anything else. Cleveland is player poor. They have little to trade and what they get in return will hurt because they’ll have to give up multiple players to get one. They can’t afford that player wise. If LJ goes down they’re a lottery team.

by amenhotep04 on Dec 22, 2008 11:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That may be a little extreme, cleveland is an all-star team compared to what KG played with in minny

by TheAncientRivalry on Dec 23, 2008 10:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe extreme, but my point is that Cleveland doesn’t have enough depth to make much of a move unless a team wants to give them something for nothing. The players being mentioned I just don’t see it happening.

by amenhotep04 on Dec 23, 2008 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Subtraction by addition

The thing is, Cleveland are pretty much set at every position at the moment and if they bring in another player it would most likely screw up their rotation and reduce another player’s minutes.

Shooting guard and power forward are the 2 positions that need upgrading, at least for their starting liineup, but then Delonte and/or Ben Wallace would be relegated to the bench. This might be a good thing, especially with Wallace, but they fit perfectly at the moment and both players don’t demand many shots or possessions.

I definitely agree with the old adage “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. Especially in Cleveland’s case.

The Cavs should test this lineup in the playoffs and if it doesn’t work then they can decide not to re-sign Wally and then bring in someone with the Mid-Level Exemption, possibly Marion or Odom.

by Ruben Wolkowyski on Dec 23, 2008 3:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Brickowski is right on

Cleveland can’t be better losing Wally and Varejao for one Marion. Ferry should stand pat but I’m all for him yanking defeat from the jaws of victory and bringing in VC.

by Wildblu1 on Dec 23, 2008 11:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just not sold on Cleveland at this point.

I still believe Cleveland’s success against us last year was more a product of how we played at that time then anything else. We were still under the Rondo pass and then cut to the corner and stand there scheme. The would just leave him alone and look to double anyone else. It appears at this point that we have solved that part of the equation. With both Perk and Rondo on the verge of reaching another level, once we sure up the bench with a few minor tweaks I just don’t see them being able to stop us.

Cleveland’s record against above .500 teams is good 9-4, but not unbelievable.

by Hondo on Dec 23, 2008 11:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad you mentioned the old offensive role for Rondo (pass, cut to corner and stand there).

Perhaps I’m wrong, but in his limited playing time, Doc now seems to have Gabe Pruitt doing the old Rondo routine. (sigh)

by no kidding on Dec 23, 2008 12:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Pruitt's a threat from the corner

I love to see guys moving without the ball, but Pruitt’s enough of a shooting threat where they can’t leave him alone on the outside like they can with Rondo.

Cleveland’s still basically one exceptional player and a whole bunch of pretty good players. Fundamentally, they need to convert a couple of their “good” players into one “great” player. Outside of the ‘04 Pistons (whose title you have to consider in the context of LA’s implosion that year and Detroit’s subsequent failures to repeat), when was the last time you saw a team win the title with ONE great player? Is Mo Williams REALLY a #2 guy?

by theBird on Dec 23, 2008 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What about Snow's expiring contract?

Is there a reason nobody other than Who has mentioned Eric Snow’s expiring $7 million contract. I also don’t see this talked about in any of the Cavs trade rumors talked about so far, but it seems to me that Snow is absolutely on Ferry’s mind to be traded. If a team wants cap space, doesn’t this and Wally look pretty good?

by themac132 on Dec 24, 2008 11:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

He's still on the roster?

Forgotten all about Snow, thought he had retired. If he can’t play anymore because of his knee, does insurance kick it at some point to cover his contract?

by theBird on Dec 24, 2008 12:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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