Taking a Look At Joe Smith
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We have yet to hit the turn of the calendar, but the "Who, if anyone, will Danny add to the Celtics' bench?" rumor mill is in midseason form and has been for some time now.
We watched wistfully as Antonio McDyess returned to Detroit, but mumblings of possible arrivals from currently pseudo-retired P.J. Brown or Dikembe Mutombo continue. Celts fans won't soon forget what Brown brought to this team a season ago, and the timeless Deke's ability to be a defensive presence in limited minutes remains renowned around the league.
There is also a third name in the mix these days as a potential acquisition via trade or free agency after a possible buyout: Joe Smith. The 14-year vet is playing with his ninth team, but the veteran may not be staying in Oklahoma City much longer. Word around is that the Thunder may deal Smith or simply buy him out of his $4.8 million expiring contract.
In either scenario, he is no doubt worth a close look for the Celts.
Smith offers a somewhat different package from Brown and Mutombo. Relatively speaking, he is the baby of the trio. Next to the 39-and-41-year-olds, Smith is practically drinking from the fountain of youth at age 33. Unlike the other two, Smith has been playing full seasons at 20 minutes per game. Brown gave the Celtics a bit less than 15 in last year's playoffs. Mutombo hasn't averaged more than 17.2 minutes per game over the last four seasons in Houston, and the Rockets have kept his appearances down in order to get him fresh for the playoffs. A season ago, he logged 20 minutes per game in the playoffs and was productive in those minutes. This isn't necessarily a plus or a minus for Smith, just an observation.
Smith is a bigger offensive threat than players such as Brown and Mutombo. The 6-foot-10 forward still has a varied array of moves on the low block and high post. He loves his turnaround fadeaway on the baseline, and he remains an effective jump shooter from the elbows, mid-range wings and inside. He can post and score as well. Smith averaged better than 10 points in just 22 minutes per game over his time with Cleveland and Chicago last season, and he is putting up 6.9 points in 19.9 minutes per in Oklahoma City this year. Smith's field-goal percentage indicates less efficiency than Brown or Mutombo, though that is a function of Mutombo and Brown's tendencies to limit their shots to whatever the defense gives them around the basket. Smith has the wider arsenal, and he has more ability to create his own shot.
On the defensive end, the veteran power forward is good albeit not great. He doesn't possess Mutombo's dominating presence in the lane or Brown's overall defensive ruggedness, but he is a serviceable defender who gets the job done. The Cavs were less than a point worse defensively per 100 possessions with him on the floor than off it last season, and the Bulls were more than three points better. Smith held opposing power forwards to 47.1 percent effective field-goal shooting during his time with Cleveland last year, quite a credible figure. He isn't a lockdown defender or a big-time shot blocker, but he is a smart player who won't get embarrassed by his man or become a liability for his team's defensive rotations. Smith is a capable rebounder, though his per-minute production on the glass has been inferior to that of Brown and Mutombo both over the last couple of seasons and the course of their careers.
Two other issues come into play with regard to Smith and the Celtics, one that favors pursuing him, one that doesn't. An added upside of obtaining Smith would be keeping him away from the Cavs in particular. While acquiring any of the three players mentioned would keep that player from the Cavs, Smith is the one Cleveland is most likely to go after hard. He was productive there last season, and he has expressed an interest in going back there if he is bought out by Oklahoma City. Smith's size caused the Celtics problems defensively last year in the playoffs, particularly after he got past his struggles (a composite 3-for-10) in the series' first two games. Over the last five games of the series, Smith shot 20-for-28 (71.4 percent) from the field and averaged 9.4 points and 5 rebounds in 22.2 minutes. Not shabby at all. Of note here is that given Smith's familiarity with the system and desire to return to Cleveland, the Celtics would probably need to make a trade to get Smith rather than waiting until he becomes a free agent. NBA rules prevent the Cavs from reacquiring Smith via trade, but they would be able to vie for his services if and when he is bought out.
The other concern is that Smith's minutes over the last several seasons have come nearly exclusively at the power forward spot. At 6-foot-10, he no doubt provides a height upgrade over the undersized combo of Leon Powe and the Infuriated Infant, and it wouldn't necessarily be impossible for him to moonlight in the pivot. But given the apparent lack of progress made by Patrick O'Bryant thus far this season and the fact that Smith isn't a dominant defender at his natural position of the four, he seems clearly an inferior option as far as providing help at the five is concerned. The Celts simply might not need another power forward on the roster.
All that in mind, Joe Smith projects at third on my list among the most seriously discussed candidates for the Celtics' bench thus far. P.J. Brown gave this team invaluable work a season ago, knows the system and can defend and rebound at the center position. Dikembe Mutombo is still most likely to return to Houston, but if he's willing to consider Boston, his ability to block, alter and discourage innumerable shots in the middle would be welcomed with open arms. Either of those two seem like more sensible options at this point, but that isn't to write Smith off either. There is no guarantee that Brown is coming back or that Mutombo will stray from Houston when he returns as planned after the holidays, and Joe Smith no doubt can add a solid veteran presence, some offensive firepower and serviceable defensive play. He shouldn't be at the top of the Celts' list, but he does belong on the radar.
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Hey, Steve, do you know if
he still tight with KG? Didn’t they used to be very good friends?
I would prefer PJ first, Motumbo 2nd, but Smith seems like a very nice 3rd option if he still has a good rappart with KG.
no problem, and this is a good question
I’m not sure offhand – but I’ll try and find out.
Anyone else know anything about CI’s question?
-sw
Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Dec 23, 2008 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
I suspect a lot of players would claim to be tight with Garnett...
… the reason being, they’d like to join up with the guy and get a ring. (I know I would.)
PJ Brown
Smith always seemed a little soft to me. I also consider him a bit cursed as he was the player McHale got sanctioned for collusion. It wasn’t Smith’s fault but I think he carries bad kharma.
by The Real Large James 2 on Dec 23, 2008 2:15 PM EST reply actions
Need Help for Perk
“Smith’s minutes over the last several seasons have come nearly exclusively at the power forward spot.” That would be the deal killer in my book. The team needs a backup for Perk that isnt Baby or Paddy.
I’m going to agree with Cousin’s rankings of the potentially-available big men. PJ first because we know what he brings and he knows what would be expected of him. Dikembe second because he’s got the size (although I do wonder whether he’s got enough agility left to play the C’s defense).
Joe Smith, he of the blandest name in NBA history (seriously, couldn’t he at least go by “Joseph”?) would help IF he can play at all at the 5 spot. I’m not convinced he’s that much (if any) of an improvement over Leon at this point in their careers. I’ve always thought of him as being a little on the lithe side; CAN he bang down low effectively? He’d help up a lot more than POB, regardless.
Another thing; we were talking the other day about Cleveland trading Sideshow Bob and Wally for someone like Matrix or VC. They might be more inclined to make a deal if they know that they can replace Sideshow by signing Smith. At the very least, they might be better able to make a deal for a wingman, not feel the need to get a replacement big.
We need a poll here!
I’d predict most of the commenters here would rather have Motombo than PJ Brown. (Am I forgetting something? Has Jeff already done a poll?)
Ask and ye shall receive.
When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
At the 156-vote mark,
count me as shocked – PJ (38), Smith (35), Deke (26%). I’m not sure where I’m at on Deke-PJ (maybe just because I loved what we got from Brown last year), but after thinking it over and writing out my thoughts above, Smith is definitely my third choice of the three, namely because of the sentence Tenacious D cited above.
Good idea for the poll, no kidding – and thanks for taking care of it, G17. A bit surprised so far on this end.
-sw
P.S. Why aren’t more folks interested in Mutombo? Is it just that people are so sure he’s going back to Houston?
Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Dec 23, 2008 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
It was a choice between defense and rebounding or offense
Most went with defense and rebounding (Mutumbo or PJ), and its not surprising to me that out of those people, most chose PJ, who is more of a known commodity. Some may also be turned off by Mutumbo’s perceived ancientness.
Joe Smith is the youngest by a large margin, but he’s also the most banged up. Physically I think he’s in the worst shape of the three – particularly his knees. Still a very good role player but his youth isn’t an advantage over two veterans who have been lucky to keep themselves in excellent condition physically.
Deke would be my first preference, followed by PJ, followed by Joe Smith. I’d be delighted with any one of the three players.
I’d be surprised if an inventive GM like Sam Presti cannot find a trade for Joe. He should be able to sell him off to a contender and pick up something of value in the process, much like he did last season with Kurt Thomas. Joe’s contract makes that even more manageable.
Seems to me Joe Smith is a plus for any playoff bound team, but I agree that he’s at best a very modest improvement/different look from our currently crop of backup PFs.
I favor PJ over Mount Motumbo for (1) his offensive game; (2) his familiarity with the team; and (3) while Motumbo is an emotional player, but PJ showed me a little mean streak last year that I think helps the Celts; and (4) I think he or Joe Smith will push Powe and Baby to improve, whereas Motumbo is fundamentally a different player who provides no direct competition to our backup “bigs.”
by Thruthelookingglass on Dec 23, 2008 6:00 PM EST reply actions
In my view, JS is probably the best player of the three in abstract, but he’s also the one that doesn’t really fit a need in this team. Quality bigs with experience and legit size like him are always welcome, but I’d rather have one of PJ or Deke. Among those two, I’d be equally happy with any of them.
no kidding, I think you misunderstood
I don’t mean that JS says they were good friends. I mean, these two guys where very, very close in Minny. Here’s a little background:
http://www.projo.com/celtics/content/sp_bkn_celtsjo11_05-11-08_MGA3LQL_v15.3b78511.html
and just for giggles:
Oh I understood you the first time. I was just being goofy and going off on a tangent.
But still, if it’d get me a ring, I’d claim Garnett was my twin brother.

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