Patrick O'Bryant, Patrick O'Bryant, Patrick O'Bryant
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no comparison between Powe and POB
Powe works hard, POB doesn’t, end of story
"Would I rather be feared or loved? Easy. Both. I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." Michael Scott
by Jeff Clark on
Dec 28, 2008 2:12 PM EST
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+1 for our fearless leader
and re: Scal and O’Bryant – Scal is a 3-4. O’Bryant is a five. Seems like an odd argument.
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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on
Dec 28, 2008 3:44 PM EST
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odd replies, but I will contest them...
First, I wasn’t comparing Leon to POB. Maybe you read it wrong….
Second, you could play POB at either position, Well, 4 or 5. Look around the league. Look at KG, Leon, they both play 4 & 5 when needed, get it….? POB is a 7 foot player that can develop into a man we need. How do you not see that when they are looking for a 7 footer all over to sign…?
by Spfldkid on
Dec 28, 2008 8:07 PM EST
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The difference is they’re looking for a good 7-footer. Paddy O’Blount isn’t a good 7-footer. He wasn’t in college – save two well timed NCAA tourney games that fooled Golden State – and he hasn’t been in the pros.
He’s LaRue Martin.
by CoachBo on
Dec 28, 2008 8:57 PM EST
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I was referring to the opening statement
I started pushing here for Leon Powe to be played, it took a while, and a lot of naysayers, but look at him now.
Powe worked hard for his shot, that is why he came out on top. POB is the opposite. He got drafted (and signed) on potential that has never been realized because he doesn’t work like Powe. I don’t think he’ll ever “get it”
"Would I rather be feared or loved? Easy. Both. I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." Michael Scott
by Jeff Clark on
Dec 28, 2008 9:45 PM EST
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Well said, Jeff – although potential is a stretch for the people who saw him regularly struggle in a mid-major conference.
Kinda reminds me of the old football analogy – the best quarterback is the one on the bench. There must not be a lot of respect for Rivers on this board, because there certainly are a lot of folks pushing for players none of us know much about – except Doc. I figure if he isn’t playing them, odds are there’s a pretty good reason.
by CoachBo on
Dec 28, 2008 10:30 PM EST
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i dont think he is saying pob should get powe’s minutes, but scal’s and davis’
BTW – I say the exact same thing about Pruit, play him. soooo tired of eddie-cant-do-nothing-but-shoot-threes house, and ohhhhh, that one didn’t go in either.
Play Pruit, please, especially now that we can no longer play posey, pierce, perkins, pruit and powe, too bad, that would have been pun.
by chicagogreen on
Dec 28, 2008 8:03 PM EST
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Hmmm...
POB = Darren Tillis
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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on
Dec 28, 2008 8:59 PM EST
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Chuckle. Now there’s a name I saw in person, but had blocked out of my mind.
Tillis was legally dead in a Celtic uniform.
by CoachBo on
Dec 28, 2008 9:02 PM EST
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Much rather have ...
Greg Kite and Joe Klein.
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on
Dec 29, 2008 6:37 PM EST
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I’d take either one of them today behind Perkins in a heartbeat, Jeff. It’d be a drastic improvement.
by CoachBo on
Dec 29, 2008 7:38 PM EST
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Those two
had mean streaks in them. They didn’t back down to anybody.
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on
Dec 30, 2008 9:08 AM EST
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POB's
Size could really really help us, I havent seen him in anything other than Garbage time, so I have no idea, but it seems to me he has a decent offensive game with some great shotblocking abilities…I am all for him getting more minutes, and when Perk was out, why wouldnt you start Patrick, to keep Powe in his role? I mean you start Scal when KG is out, right? not to mention it would have been somewhat of a revenge game for him
by TheAncientRivalry on
Dec 29, 2008 2:04 PM EST
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Well, I am glad to see “The Ancient Rivalry” & Chicagogreen get it. For the rest of you, just look back at how Perk was when he first came in, big, raw, always fouling out, but they continued to play him and he developed. All I am saying is play the man and see what happens. Last night vs the Kings he was looking good. Don’t say “garbage minutes” because that is all Doc will give him. He was blocking shots, being where he should be, making shots and passing well..that means seeing the whole floor.!!!! Doc has a philosopy that you must ride the pine for a year or two before you play. Well, look at what is happening, Perks shoulder, from over use this early on. Cut his minutes in half for a while, get POB under there. There is a lot more people that me who are asking this..! The sports reporters in the Globe, The Herald….They all said the same thing last year until Doc was pressured to try something new, last year he started to play Leon, why, because everyone saw what he had….just like POB. Play him first, let him show us if he can do it or not. He is in better shape than Big baby, can dunk, BBD can’t, neither can Scal, not from flat footed on a rebound, if they can, when are they going to start..?
by Spfldkid on
Dec 29, 2008 2:35 PM EST
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Again, as someone who has done more than his share of complaining about Perk over the years
I can’t recall ever having an issue with his effort or energy level. O’Bryant’s history back through college at Bradley (CoachBo followed him far more carefully than I did there and could likely expound more on this part of it), in Golden State and so far in practice in Boston (as evidenced by Doc’s “Celtic speed vs. Patrick speed” comments earlier in the season) indicates precisely that problem. So again, I don’t think the comparisons are necessarily valid.
I’m not saying it’s impossible that POB can help us or shouting you down. I’m just not sure of the validity of some of the supposed parallels you’ve drawn so far.
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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on
Dec 29, 2008 4:12 PM EST
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There really aren’t a lot of good parallels for an ambivalent, disinterested 7-footer, although I’m old enough to remember LaRue Martin. Paddy reminds me of LaRue.
I’m not really sure why anyone, beginning with Golden State, thought an ambivalent guy whose numbers were built in a conference with no height had a future in the NBA. I see little or no difference in Paddy today from his days at Bradley.
But … on the bright side, clips of his play have my kids giving top-notch effort. They know if they sleepwalk through a game like Paddy did in that early season Chicago game, they’re going to get a long stretch next to me on the bench.
by CoachBo on
Dec 29, 2008 7:36 PM EST
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But, I also understand the phenomenon that is Celtics Blog – “Out of sight, top of mind.”
by CoachBo on
Dec 29, 2008 7:38 PM EST
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motivational POB clips
That’s just awesome.
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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on
Dec 30, 2008 12:49 AM EST
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POB is no Tin Man
People have been jumping to all kinds of conclusions. It is not uncommon for big men to be a step slow – this does not mean he does not have heart. He has not bulked up; but this is another area where some big men suffer. Yes, if people are constantly placing expectations upon you that you may not be able to fulfill that could take a lot out of you. Not sure he has given it his all or not; but agree with the general premise of the lead post. Give the guy a chance. I think it is good to give teams different looks. Putting him in with KG gives us a look that some teams would have trouble with. Unfortunately, Ilgauskis and Bynum are probably difficult matchups for POB. So not sure that POB is the answer to the Cavs or the Lakers. Which kind of make you wonder about PJB?
by Green is Good on
Dec 29, 2008 6:05 PM EST
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I don’t think we should be worried about POB. He’ll either put it together or he won’t, and if he does, he’ll be a valuable piece on the roster.
One thing you cannot say about the Celtics under the Rivers regime is that they buried a talent on the bench who never panned out on our roster — Gomes, Jefferson and West are starters on other teams, Banks and Green are marginal players.
I am not concerned at all. But make no mistake, POB won’t play unless he earns it, and he clearly hasn’t done that yet.
by kozlodoev on
Dec 29, 2008 8:42 PM EST
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Which is the biggest thing I cannot understand about the people who think Paddy should play. What part of “Rivers sees him every day in practice” don’t people understand? This guy has a seven-year history of not playing hard, yet the contentions of “we don’t know if he can play” keep rearing their head?
It doesn’t matter if Celtic Fan knows whether Paddy can play. Rivers does, and he isn’t. Pretty simple.
by CoachBo on
Dec 30, 2008 7:57 AM EST
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Since...
Sam Bowie didn’t play much during his career, you think he can still play at age 40 something?
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on
Dec 30, 2008 9:09 AM EST
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Cheap 7 Footer...
is what POB comes down to. If he picks up the work ethic and develops, great. If he doesn’t, he’s injury insurance at a position where the C’s don’t expect a ton of production.
I will say, that he does seem to be making an effort when he get’s minutes. He still has a long way to go though. Much like Perk in his first 3 years in the League.
by LuckyNumber07 on
Dec 30, 2008 11:44 AM EST
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pattycakes???
get real pob is not the answer to our problem..seems like a nice guy and all, but we need a man with some muscles..could you imagine pattycakes guarding odom or shaq??
by nottinyarchibald on
Dec 31, 2008 1:15 AM EST
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Monumental Waste of a Draft Pick
If the Warriors drafted him he must be garbage.
by WestCoast Celtics Fan on
Jan 1, 2009 3:03 PM EST
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The C's have had...
picks like that, too, in Acie Earl, Darren Tillis, Michael Smith, Ron Mercer, Kedrick Brown, Jerome Moiso, Joe Forte, and Gerald Green.
The draft is every coaches, GM’s, and owners nightmare not unless you have the 1st overall. Meanwhile, draft “EXPERTS” salivate the fact that they drive a players value to the roof so that they can be recognized as “Draft Gurus.” They have nothing to lose.
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on
Jan 1, 2009 4:48 PM EST
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Although I think spfldkid, that you sound a tad bit disrespectful with your “get it” comments, if you leave them out of your conversation and don’t try to sound so superior, I agree with you in this case. We have a 7 footer sitting on the end of the bench. We want a better 7 footer, but we may not get one. Play the one we have, in meaningful minutes, and give PP, KG, RA a chance to help him become a player. They are great players who want to win another win. They know it takes a whole team. After all, they helped bring the young guys along last year (Rondo, Ray Allen, Perk). They will help POB contribute…and if they can’t, he probably is not a player; at least we would know. He seems to block shots well, and as they say “You can’t teach height”. He will not be taking a starting role nor will he be playing a lot of minutes, so why not develop his strengths, if any, to help off the bench on the occasions when we need a tall presence shot blocker against other bigs.
To my mind playing him now is superior than starting to train him in the playoffs should his participation become a necessity.
by thirstyboots18 on
Jan 1, 2009 6:38 PM EST
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