The Babble and the Blazers
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Faithful readers of the Babble may have noted that the Portland Trail Blazers have been showing up in this space with abnormal regularity as of late. A cursory glance through our archives indicated a minimum of eight Blazer-related pieces since the season started, including all sorts of love for Brandon Roy, observations of Sergio Rodriguez, some trade rumor analysis, the long overdue props for Joel Przybilla and a chat with the great folks from Blazer's Edge.
Innocent enough, I thought. Until, that is, an Edge member referred jokingly to my "crush" on the team in the comments of an interview I did over there. It wasn't the first time an observer had broached the subject. The good-natured ribbing got me thinking about my relationship with the Blazers, especially since I've got no doubts about the fact that I'm a diehard Celts fan and have too many of the scars to show for it. So in the name of Mike Piazza, I'm taking a few moments not only to playfully deny a crush on the Blazers but to admit to a growing fascination with the team. Since the Celtics are on their way to Portland, and I'll be in kill mode all day tomorrow, today seems like the day for an explanation.
The out-of-the-norm interest in the franchise goes back more than a decade and has been caused by a combination of factors, none greater than my relationship with a long-time pal by name of Acks.
Growing up on Long Island, we were the two kids who rooted for out-of-market NBA teams. You know where I stand, and as you might imagine, Acks is a big-time Blazers fan, though he has never explained why. We're talking about the type of guy who in the late '90s once disconnected all the phones in his house during what turned out to be a family emergency because he wanted to catch a Sunday afternoon Blazers-Jazz game on NBC in peace.
Naturally, despite the fact that he's still as good a friend as I've got, we've been a bit antagonistic toward each other over the years, particularly regarding these teams. I pulled for the ultra-talented Blazers against the hated Lakers in the 2000 Western Conference Finals. When they imploded and blew a 15-point fourth quarter lead in Game 7, I was the first one in Acks' ear letting him know about that one.
Over the next few years, a combination of my being peeved over the Blazers giving the Lakers a route to the Finals, my enjoyment of Acks' sports-related misery and the disasters that befell the Jail Blazers increased my dislike for the team. Babble devotees know by now that, too often, I don't shy away from a chance to (fairly or otherwise) play character police with these athletes, and I didn't cut the likes of Damon Stoudamire, Darius Miles, Bonzi Wells and Ruben Patterson much slack during the early part of this decade. Not that they deserved it.
The team wasn't any good, and rubbing it in Acks' face was the cause of a lot of good-natured fun for me and an expanding vocabulary for him. Problem was, you might remember that our team wasn't exactly filling up the rafters with banners during the early portion of this decade either. And in May 2007, I reached an all-time frustration level with Portland when the Blazers (rather than our Celtics) strolled out of Secaucus, N.J., with draft lottery victory in hand and the inside track to long-coveted Greg Oden.
Ten years earlier, I had irrationally vowed hatred of the San Antonio Spurs after they swooped in to take the '97 lottery and thus a Wake Forest kid named Tim Duncan from the 15-win Celtics. The oath might not have lasted to the second week of the season. I fell in love with Duncan's fundamental style, his professionalism and the fact that he was a winner. With the Celtics buried in lottery purgatory, it was easy to enjoy his TD's success from afar, simply as a fan of the game.
Though I spent the latter portion of lottery night 2007 advising Acks over the phone to enter witness protection, it wasn't long before the same feeling I had about Duncan began to take over about Oden. As was the case with Duncan, I had joined the rest of the country in monitoring Oden in college but with an added interest because of he lottery prospects of a bad Celtics team. As the jealousy subsided (a process helped considerably by the fact that the Celtics made a couple of moves to improve their immediate outlook that summer), I sympathized for Blazers fans at large (while mercilessly riding my loyal friend) when Oden went down for the year before the season started.
During last year's preseason, I wrote a piece at my old site about why the Blazers' zillion national television appearances could still be worth watching even without the big Buckeye. That was when the long-coming realization hit me that there was a lot for me to like about this team. Given the aforementioned habit to play character police, I loved that the team had taken the approach of bouncing the criminals and locker-room cancers by any means necessary. I liked that they finagled their way into the best player in the 2006 draft from the seven spot. I alternated between being disgusted and grudgingly impressed with the front office for dumping Sebastian Telfair on us. Even without Oden, this team had a promising coach in Nate McMillan, two young studs in Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge, a host of young overseas talent and the likelihood that this team would be both good and likable in the no-longer-so-distant future. The interest began creeping.
And then came the part that finally forced me into constantly advocating for the Blazers in my daily personal life: Somehow, almost without my noticing it, Acks morphed into a self-loathing Blazers fan. While the rest of the rabid Blazer community sung Kevin Pritchard's praises and lived the dream during a 13-game winning streak in December, Acks became miserable. He steadfastly believed that tanking for Derrick Rose was the only way to go (despite the uncertain ramifications of such behaviors demonstrated by, say, the 2007 lottery). He didn't like Steve Blake at all. He somehow thought that KP hadn't gotten enough for Zach Randolph, despite the fact that it became evident with each passing day of the 2007-08 season that getting rid of Randolph under any circumstances was a tremendous feat.
Over the course of 2007-08, Acks and I experienced a complete role reversal in our conversations about the Blazers. We talk nearly ten times a week, and instead of my having to argue that his team wasn't that good (a standard between any two friends who root for different teams), I fought to convince him that it was on the right track because I felt that he had so vastly underrated the value of what was going on there. While I saw a 41-41 season as a great way to raise morale around the team and its fan base as well as giving the youngsters some great experience for the following year, Acks saw a missed tanking opportunity. His abhorrence of Pritchard only grew with the faith shown to Travis Outlaw and Martell Webster (I don't totally disagree here), so much so that he refused to give credit for the draft night moves that yielded the Roy-Aldridge-Rudy Fernandez core that Oden would join on the floor in 2008-09. I saw upside in Jerryd Bayless as a potential future point guard. He hated getting the pick from Indiana. The list goes on.
It finally reached a point of absurdity this season when he not only abandoned Greg Oden a month into his active NBA career ("less productive than a pile of horse manure, soft and a bust" are the only repeated comments of his about Oden that I can print) but also started openly taking shots at Brandon Roy. If I wasn't impressed enough with Roy already, Acks calling his team's best player a "third option, at best, on a good team" finally put me over the edge. That's criminal.
Celtics fans have it made these days. We root for the defending champs, and our team is currently 28-4. Lakers and Cavs fans are rooting for teams with super-duper stars and legitimate championship contenders. Hornets and Magic fans could be looking at another decade and a half of Chris Paul and Dwight Howard respectively. After perhaps those five teams (and maybe the Spurs, one of the best-run franchises in all of sports), there can't be too many cooler fan situations around the league than rooting for the Blazers.
They've assembled a likable core of players who don't get in off-court trouble and for the most part don't cause distractions. Their fans are getting to watch the growth of the finally-healthy most heralded young big man since Tim Duncan. They've got smooth international flavor with flashy Sergio Rodriguez and rookie sensation Rudy Fernandez coming off the bench. LaMarcus Aldridge only continues to get better, and Roy has ice in his veins. The coach and general manager are committed to winning and fielding a team whose players conduct themselves as professionals. This is a team whose fans have watched it build itself from the ground up, and it is inching ever closer to a period of title contention that could last a while, all the while exceeding expectations in the present.
All of that on its own probably makes this team worth focusing on with some regularity. Experiencing daily the frustration that one of my closest lifelong friends can't seem to grasp this at all just makes it doubly so.
I talk Blazers hoops several times each week - with someone who I feel should probably be their biggest advocate - and come away feeling as though I'm defending the Pritchard-era Blazers from a firing squad.
So in my effort to fight fire with fire, I've found myself paying more attention to the Blazers than ever before. Given what's going on at the Rose Garden these days, I can't help but like what I see.
I'm no fan of the Blazers and never will be anything but the hardest of diehard Celts boosters. But as a lover of the Association and the game of basketball, I'll be forever intrigued by the franchise's progression through the full rebuilding cycle.
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So that's my too-long personal narrative about a team that has caught my eye over the last few seasons. Anyone else have any teams or players around the league that seem to merit an undue amount of his or her attention? If so, how did this come about? As always, feel free to let us know in the comments.
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Enthusiast
I would describe you as a “Blazers Enthusiast.” It’s a term I use to describe my relationship to a team whose progress interests me, and for whom I will root when there are no other rooting interests involved. I have also been a Blazers Enthusiast for a couple years now, and I will always be an Al Jefferson Enthusiast (the rest of the Wolves, not so much).
by CaptFamous on Dec 29, 2008 1:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, I think "enthusiast" might be a touch strong,
because I wouldn’t say I’m even necessarily rooting for them when they aren’t playing against the C’s. But I am interested by their progress.
I’d settle for simply saying I’m intrigued by the Blazers, but there is of course a lack of a cool label there.
Appreciate the analysis regardless. Thanks for checking in, CaptFamous.
-sw
Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Dec 29, 2008 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i root for Blazers too, as well as San antonio when they never play againts Boston :)
by spoiled on Dec 29, 2008 3:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m a bit of a Pacers semi-enthusiast, mostly because of Bird’s presence. I kind of liked those late-Reggie Miller, pre-Artest teams.
As to Portland, they’re interesting to me in part because they’re taking the path that it appeared the C’s were going to take pre-KG, growing with a bunch of young guys. It’s always more interesting to me to watch a bunch of young players that are improving that to watch a stale group of veterans. Same reason that the C’s were fun to watch even a couple of years ago; even in the middle of a horrible, horrible season, you’d see players like Big Al improve, you’d see some flashes from Rondo, you’d see Gomes improving his perimiter play.
It’s the same reason that it’s more fun for me to watch guys like Youk and Pedroia develop into All Stars, rather than watch somebody that the Sox signed to a huge contract as a free agent. You’ve got more invested with the young guys you’ve watched develop. Now, I don’t have that same emotional connection to the Blazers, but it’s more interesting watching young guys that are still in the ascending-phase of their careers.
by theBird on Dec 29, 2008 4:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
There's always something appealing about not knowing where the ceiling actually is
and watching these players get better and better. I think you speak to a good point there, tB.
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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Dec 29, 2008 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, me too
Not particularly because of Bird, but Indiana is also the team that intrigues me the same way the Blazers intrigue Steve.
by cordobes on Dec 29, 2008 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What if Acks is right?
(First of all, this was a very pleasurable reading Steve. You’re really good inserting these kind of quotidian episodes on basketball related articles.)
Well, he – Acks – certainly carries some radical and extremist views. And character and attitude indeed matter – the Jailblazers were doomed to fail. But about this current edition, am I the only one who feels they’re getting more love than what they deserve – with our own Steve Weinman being only more candid confessing his bias and more displaying more knowledge and writing proficiency on his articles?
I won’t dispute Roy’s greatness. He’s All-NBA material and insanely clutch so far in his career.
But Acks is probably right about Marty and Outlaw. Well, Webster may have some untapped potential; but Outlaw, IMO, is no more than a future bench player/very modest starter who plays as dumb as it gets.
I’ve been annoyed by the perception that Rudy Fernandez is wildly over-appreciated. Reading BE recently I’ve started feeling that Blazers fans have begun to realize that he’s not the second coming of Manu. He’s a tremendous defensive liability (unlike Manu) and he can take you down any given night with an array of ill-advised shots and bad passes. I love good cutters, and he’s one of the bests in the league, but he’s just too wild and unreliable for my taste.
Ditto for Aldridge. How the heck a guy like Gasol gets so much heat for being “soft” and Aldridge, probably the softest big man in the entire league, gets a pass? He’s like a WNBA version of KG, with all due respect for women basketball.
Oden… I don’t thin he’s a bust, but I hate when so many people call him a “defensive force already” or a “likeable guy”. He’s not a defensive force, far from it: he’s too slow, quicker players always cream him, he’s always a step later, he overuses his hands and he’s helpless defending the pick’n’roll – and if there’s a player I don’t find likeable, well, it’s him. The way he interacts with his teammates (or the way he doesn’t interact) just rubs me off. Not a smile, not a high-five, not a single towel waived. Even the Blazers legendary beat-writer confesses he can’t stand him. Now I’ve learned he travels on a separate division on the team’s plane. Really, he’s a great rebounder and he’s probably going to be a heckuva player – I hope so, I love to watch quality centers – but, in all honesty, he strikes me as a disgraceful teammate.
While I like to see them playing, with the exception of the ISOs for Roy, their over-reliance on jumpers and their poor defense severely limits their play-off potential, IMO. And I’m not sure if they have much margin to improve with their current roster.
Finally I sense some kind of “hubris” among their fans and management, including Pritchard. This certainly can be said about a lot of franchises, but I think that in their case is way over-the-top.
Oh well, to say something positive about them and pretend to be fair and balanced, I really like Przybilla. Awesome utility player.
by cordobes on Dec 29, 2008 4:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jason Quick has never said he can't stand Oden
He can’t stand the attention that is given to him, and how it’s turned the gregarious, genuine Oden into a morose, somber guy. Quick also has a contentious history with Blazers players.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 29, 2008 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
JQuick
is hardly legendary either
Everyone imposes his own system as far as his army can reach.
-Joe Stalin-
by WhiteRabbit on Dec 30, 2008 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok...
Outlaw the 23rd pick in the first round, and was selected during the Whitsitt administration. No one is claming he’s a great player. He’s a good scorer… solid seventh or eighth man. Webster definitely has potential left – he came out of high school and was just starting to grasp the game before his foot injury.
The whole Oden controversy was started by Quick and Canzano – two writers who enjoy being the story above reporting the story. Canzano recently gave himself credit for a good game by Oden, saying that his column lit a fire under Greg. As far as Quick goes, he can be a very Oprah type beat reporter – does a good job covering the team, but is sensitive and reports every little issue like a bomb went off inside the facility. I like his reporting… taken with a grain of salt.
He’s been showing more emotion as of late, and claims that the emotionless appearance during games is because of concentration and an attempt on his part to never get too high or low. Would I like to see a little more emotion from Greg? YES! Is it hampering his game? I don’t believe it is. It’s his personality. He is definitely a gentle giant.
Rudy Fernandez is overrated?How ‘bout you go look up Manu’s stats from his rookie year, and compare them to Rudy’s rookie campaign thus far. I’ll give you a sneak peak: Rudy is outperforming Manu, and at 23, while Manu was 25. Rudy may or may not be as good as Manu, but drawing conclusions off of Rudy’s rookie year isn’t a good idea considering other Europeans slow transition to the NBA game (see: Nowitzki, Dirk and Stojakovic, Peja).
As far as the offense being too dependent on jumpers, I agree with you to a point. In the end though, it’s the most efficient offense in the league. Points in the paint will come when Oden develops, as well as when Bayless starts to get some playing time, as his most bankable NBA skill is driving to the basket.
My favorite part of this whole post is “I’m not sure if they have much margin to improve with their current roster.” Uhhh…. would you like to look at the historical performances of teams of comparable age to the Blazers? There are four players on the team who have reached their potential: Przybilla, Blake, Frye, and Diogu, and only two of those play meaningful minutes.
I don’t assume there are titles in our future, and the playoffs aren’t a given this year. But it’s foolish to think that there isn’t a whole load of talent on the team. It’s also silly to think that the youngest playing rotation in the league will fail to improve as time progresses.
by Cablinasian on Dec 30, 2008 3:20 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
rec'd this post
and rec’d the main post. Very good reads.
—Bedger
Wait you’re agnostic. That means you worship lawsuits. --TiH
by prezofdeath on Dec 30, 2008 3:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok...
I know Rudy Fernandez since he was 16. I’ve been watching him playing regularly for years, many times live. I watched Manu playing for the 1st time since he was 22 or something, even before he joined Bologna. Believe me, I don’t need to see stats. Rudy plays in the NBA the same way he’s been playing like ever. Rubio kept him under control to some extent, Calderon, on the NT, kind of managed to do that; but if he’s a big part of the game – and he loves to be that and demand touches (if he didn’t complain yet about his teammates not passing him the ball enough, he will) -, his coach better be ready to see the other team go on a run.
Oden shows a disturbing lack of emotion and interaction with his teammates. I don’t need a beat-writer to tell me that. He strikes me as someone who plays basketball because of the money (or some other incentive, or because he felts pressured to do it), not because he loves the game.
I have nothing against jumper based offenses and Portland is an offensive juggernaut. But the old coaching axion “live by the jumper, die by the jumper” is indeed true. And the risk is exceptionally higher on play-offs basketball.
The margin to improve was related to the reliance on jumpers. I don’t know for sure if Oden will ever be an offensive weapon, we’ll have to wait to see if Bayless is a legit NBA player. I’m not saying they won’t, just that I’m not sure they will. Remember the Skiles’s Baby Bulls? They were the youngest playing rotation in the leagu
by cordobes on Dec 30, 2008 8:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As far as Rudy goes
if he’s a big part of the game – and he loves to be that and demand touches (if he didn’t complain yet about his teammates not passing him the ball enough, he will) -, his coach better be ready to see the other team go on a run.
He’s been a big part of the game when he has been in, and has performed pretty well. I wouldn’t say that whenever he’s highly involved we’ve played badly as a team. There have been a lot of games where we’ve struggled and he’s provided a good spark. Out of the multitude of Spanish members of Blazer’s Edge, I’ve never heard one say that he has issues demanding the ball, and thus far, he’s acted as a very good teammate.
With Oden, he’s a terrific kid, who, in the past, has been very funny and gregarious. Under the pressure of being the first pick, he has definitely shrunk back a little bit. That doesn’t mean it’s gone forever. In the last game, he was letting emotion loose, getting into the game and interacting with his teammates. Watch this interview, and you see a kid who desperately wants to be a good NBA player. He doesn’t just want to be good, he wants the team to be good, and that’s all I want from a player. People are different; not every NBA player is Kevin Garnett. But as long as they want to win, I’m ok with them.
Portland is a jumper based offense, and I believe that it is harder to win in the playoffs using the jumper so prominently. The problem is that we are watching players who are in their second, third, or rookie seasons. Their potential is not yet tapped.
For example, Aldridge has become a better post player each year. The Blazers’ big man coach, Mo Lucas, was battling pneumonia and was away from the team until two weeks ago. Since he came back, Oden has shown marked improvement in his post play, including some nice left handed hooks against Shaq. His ability to sink the left and right hooks is a nice tool for him to have going into the future. His traveling violations have gone down, while his field goal percentage has risen. From watching the last few games, it’s becoming more apparent that he will be a good option on offense. He has nice touch on the ball and a great work ethic. If you watch his post play in the Laker game to start the season, and compare it to the last few games, it’s an amazing transformation.
Bayless may or may not be a good player in the NBA; however, his draft has proven to be very strong, and he was a player considered to be in the same league as Mayo and Westbrook. There were rumors about Miami liking him, but wanting to trade down to 4 or 5 to pick him up. He hasn’t played much, because McMillan doesn’t like rookie point guards, but he has shown a terrific ability to get to the hoop, seemingly at will. This bodes very well for the Blazers in the future. If they are this efficient with a raw Oden and no driving ability from their point guard, they will be terrific with the improvement of Oden and a PG upgrade.
The Baby Bulls had talent, yes. Who did they have on their front line? Ben Wallace, Tyrus Thomas, etc? Their reliance on Ben Gordon meant that Hinrich had to guard shooting guards, and they lacked a leader, someone who wouldn’t take crap from Tyrus and would demand the ball, being clutch in the final seconds. Having Roy, a true leader, separates this team from the Baby Bulls of two years ago.
by Cablinasian on Dec 30, 2008 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Deng was also supposed to be
a superstar on the making.
About Rudy, I’m glad you’re not advising ME to check stats in a condescending way. Turns out I know him better than you do. Maybe some more humbleness could . This was a great demonstration of the hubris I mentioned. And yeah, he’s already hinted he’d like to be more involved on the 4th quarter. Finally, try to not distort my words. I never said that every time he’s highly involved the team would play badly. Just that he’s highly unreliable, and prone to bad shot-selection and unforced turnovers. And this is becoming pretty clear.
I never found Oden a terrific kid or funny in the past, just a job well done by a good agency. He comes out as a prick and a disgraceful teammate. I don’t care about fluff pieces and PR stunts. Seeing the way he behaves on the court and on the bench is enough.
Nothing new to discuss on other fronts. If you’re SURE Aldridge and Bayless are going to be offensive threats to score inside, well… you may be right. Or you may learn that certainties are rare in basketball.
by cordobes on Dec 30, 2008 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The point was that
Deng was never a post player. At least with Aldridge and Oden, the Blazers have players inside who can score, and are improving in that capacity. Ben Wallace can’t create his own offense, and Thomas, in his third season, is still struggling. The Bulls didn’t have any options inside. I was referring to low post players when i said front line. I should have been more specific, as the small forward is generally considered part of the front line.
Your points about Rudy are interesting to me. He’s a rookie in the NBA who is outperforming Manu’s rookie year, is shooting well from distance, and provides needed scoring punch off the bench… yet you say he is highly unreliable, prone to bad shot selection, and commits unforced turnovers.
As far as him complaining about not getting the ball in late game situations, Roy has driven and kicked to Rudy in two game-deciding scenarios, one of which a crucial divisional game in Utah.
I’m sure that you have picked up some valid holes in Rudy’s game by studying it for as long as you have, but thus far this year, I haven’t seen horrible shot selection or many unforced turnovers. I am not trying to assert my opinion as greater than yours, just pointing out that Rudy has had a very good rookie season when you compare it to other Europeans in their rookie years. I don’t understand how it is “becoming pretty clear” that he is unreliable.
My biggest issue with your argument is that you have a lot of opinonated statements, few of which are backed up by any evidence. Go find one person, teammate or coach, who doesn’t like Oden. Thad Matta, Oden’s college coach, works with Oden during the summer, and constantly talks about what a great kid Greg was to have on his team.
Besides that, being in Portland, there are multitudes of things he has done in the community that no one finds out about. Greg is constantly helping no-profits, not for the media attention, but because he really does care. I also don’t think his on-court demeanor is disgraceful… Not to start a firestorm, as this is a Celtic’s blog, but many would consider Garnett’s barking antics to be more disgracful to the game than Oden’s quiet persona.
Your call for me to gain “humbleness” is funny because of what you later said: “You may learn that certainties are rare.” The Blazers are a crapshoot. I said earlier that they may never win a title, and they may miss the playoffs this year. That being said, Pritchard’s done a fine job assembling the team and I like our chances.
by Cablinasian on Dec 30, 2008 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Comparing Rudy to Manu is nonsensical
Manu is an excellent perimeter defender. Rudy is so bad his coaches are often forced to play zones in order to hide him. The difference between them on the defensive end is so steep that makes any comparison kind of moot.
The stats argument is bizarre. In his rookie season, Manu played for the best team in the NBA. Rudy is playing a prominent role for a fringe play-offs team.
Rudy already had some games for you where he kept taking bad shots – his famous midrangers off the dribble are generally a killer, but one never know which team are they going to kill, or attempting flashy passes that ended on unforced turnovers one after the other. He’ll have plenty more of those.
I can’t think of a single thing Rudy can do better than Manu except cutting, he’s better playing off-the-ball. But that’s all, from my perspective. What do you think?
About Oden – where’s smoke there’s generally fire. The idea of two journalists not liking him and making all that stuff up is nice but not very credible. It’s not about being quiet. Ray Allen is quiet. Rondo is quiet. Oden is a different kind of animal. He simply doesn’t interact with his teammates, with very few exceptions. You may want to see it as unimportant, but it’s an highly unusual situation.
I’m really unsure if a frontline of Aldridge and Oden will have enough offensive power inside. We’ll have to wait and see, I guess.
by cordobes on Dec 30, 2008 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't mean to say Rudy will be Manu
I don’t think he has the same talent level. I was just trying to make the point that he hadn’t been horrible thus far, as his stats match up well to other European players.
As far as Rudy playing off the ball, that’s exactly what the Blazers need. If he’s happy with that role, it will fit with the team quite well.
See, those two journalists create smoke. Throughout their history, they create stories and drama that are rarely true. It’s an issue of them not having much credibility. Canzano makes anything a huge deal, and rarely backs up what he says with any evidence.
It’s all about waiting and seeing. That’s the fun of it. Aldridge may or may not become a better inside player. Bayless may or may not become a good point guard. Oden may or may not become the center he was projected to be.
I agree with what you said here, except the Canzano/Quick thing. I’m not a huge believer in anything Canzano writes.
by Cablinasian on Dec 30, 2008 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Out of the multitude of Spanish members of Blazer’s Edge, I’ve never heard one say that he has issues demanding the ball, and thus far, he’s acted as a very good teammate.
Spanish fan in BlazersEdge:
I’m sure most of you have realized it by now that it seems like his team mates don’t like/hate him and whenever he plays with the first unit in the 4th quarter he doesn’t touch the ball so it’s almost as if the Blazers are playing 4 v 5 and completely ignoring him.
It’s evident even with the second unit, about 80% of his points come from assists from Sergio and with the high possibility of him leaving, Rudy will have to take even less shots.
He really doesn’t fit in Nate’s system and is a waste having him on the bench, both the Blazers and Rudy would be better off separated, I’m sorry but I don’t think he has a future in Portland.
I knew this would happen. And if you speak spanish, please check the “Foro ACB”. The bitching about Rudy being ignored is intense.
by cordobes on Dec 30, 2008 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
who cares
what Spaniards bitching in the Foro ACB have to say about how the Blazers are using Rudy? The Spanish have many, many admirable qualities, but an ability to dispassionately and objectively analyze the performances of their sports figures is most certainly not among them.
by BlazersOrBust on Dec 30, 2008 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
about the Spaniards.
They’re very similar with Blazers’ fans.
by cordobes on Dec 30, 2008 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"They're very similar with Blazers' fans"
and you’re a Celtics fan? :) Don’t you think that’s a weeeee bit like the pot calling the kettle black? I go to school in Boston, and the unabashed homerism that pervades the fans there is unlike anything I’ve seen elsewhere — and in any sport you want to name, not just basketball.
by BlazersOrBust on Dec 31, 2008 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol, good one
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Dec 31, 2008 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When I referenced the multitude of spanish members,
I meant longtime contributors, such as amlmart1. Go check his posts in the archive.
The quote you have from Blazersedge is a fan complaining about Rudy’s lack of opportunity on the Blazers, not Rudy complaining about it. He may come out later and complain, but there is no evidence to suggest that. Of course Spanish fans will be upset by a perceived wasting of Rudy’s talent by McMillan. That doesn’t mean Rudy is upset.
by Cablinasian on Dec 30, 2008 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hasn't Rudy said something similar to the Marca recently?
That he feels he’s ignored during the 4th quarter, or that he wishes his teammates would pass him the ball more during crunch time? I remember something of that kind, maybe I’m wrong…
by cordobes on Dec 30, 2008 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was a blog entry...
haven’t seen any Marca articles lately. He mentioned wanting the ball, but then said he was a rookie and understand that it was an adjustment. At least that’s what I remember.
by Cablinasian on Dec 30, 2008 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
margin to improve with their current roster...
The blazers have three rookies in their top eight rotation players (Oden, Batum, Rudy) and have been playing without their starting SF (Webster) all season. I think there’s some room still to improve.
by sfiles on Dec 30, 2008 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
am with spoiled- like the blazers and san antone. do the blazers still have our boy raef? it is a shame what injuries have done to him, but he was well paid for them. a nice piece in a recent sporting news on kevin duckworth who has passed away. always liked him.
by nazzbo on Dec 29, 2008 4:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
memphis
Rudy Gay and OJ Mayo are a tandem that neccessitates that I follow the Grizzlies a little. Oh, I came here from Blazers Edge too. So I’m a huge fan of the Blazers.
Also, it was funny how the commenter above said how much he likes seeing players like Pedroia develop from youngsters to Commanding Vets more than huge free agent signings. Um, is this a Celtics blog? Ha ha. Anyhow, great writeup.
by 50backflips on Dec 30, 2008 12:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I am a Blazer fan
who found my way over here by way of BlazersEdge. Thank you for the honest assessment of our team. I think both of our fan bases are equally happy with the results of the now famous 2007 draft. You have a championship, and an excellent chance at a second one this year. We have a future all-star at center, who, while is still learning the game, continues to get better with each passing day.
In response to your question, while I respect the Celtics, I would agree with 50backflips. I enjoy watching the Grizzlies. In 3-4 years I see them and mt Blazers as the cream of the western conference. OJ Mayo and Rudy Gay are studs. Both of them have multiple all-star appearances ahead of them.
"Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis" Dave 12/18/08
by shua on Dec 30, 2008 12:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the Blazer related posts
There is a small army of Blazersedge readers who will find them and post links. Your friend while a diehard, is not a typical Blazer fan. Most of us are very happy with the young, talented, likable & accessible team. We are always wondering though what the next piece to our team will be.
It was great to watch the misery your team inflicted upon the L@kers last year in the finals. Love the confidence Rondo has developed. Allen, KG & Pierce are an unequaled trio in the league right now. You will probably win the title again this year.
Hopefully KG won’t be an crawling around the floor at the Rose Garden tomorrow. That guy has fostered a lot of hate in the last year with his antics.
by tweener on Dec 30, 2008 3:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1
from another Bedge reader, excellent post.
Which ever way the game goes tonight I’m hoping for a good close game.
The end is in the beginning and yet I go on....
-Beckett
by eyeotiger on Dec 30, 2008 5:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good read
Another Blazer fan here to check you out. With Dave’s link up you may get a surge of hits this week. Good luck (after tonight) this year. It must be very special to have the current championship and the dominant record in the league.
whoo, Katy bar the door! - Maurice Lucas anticipating Greg Oden's development
by lee3022 on Dec 30, 2008 5:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
As somebody who lives and dies Blazers
I dont mind the Celtics. I respect the hell out of Pierce. I genuinely like Ray Allen. But Kevin Garnett…….
by Sabonis4Ever on Dec 30, 2008 5:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have tons of family in Boston (I live in Portland), so I’ve always had a soft spot for the C’s, and Paul Pierce is my favorite non-Blazer in the NBA. I’m so jealous that you guys got to watch that guy play 108 games last year
My HDTV is a JustinTV streamer who doesn't just use a webcam :(
by inroywetrust on Dec 30, 2008 5:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great write up
I love reading other blogs opinions about our Blazers :)
Rudy for ROY
Campaign 08-09
"Rudy is not everyday a shooter." ~Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Dec 30, 2008 10:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Next time you talk to Acks,
Ask him what he thought about the “third option, at best, on a good team” having a 5-game scoring stretch of 33, 30, 38, 29, 52.
"West just flipped Roy's switch to 'Hide the women and children'"
- tmundal, Nov 29, 2008 9:11 PM PST
by GustyJ on Dec 30, 2008 12:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
thanks for explaining your crush
i liked your story, but you didn’t have to create such an elaborate tale to try to hide your love. :-)
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by appel82 on Dec 30, 2008 12:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
no problem, appel
and thanks for playing a big role toward inspiring the piece with your question to me over at the Edge.
-sw
Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Dec 30, 2008 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
p.s.
can we have tony allen? please?
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by appel82 on Dec 30, 2008 12:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
perhaps today’s Babble will interest you on that subject.
-sw
Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Dec 30, 2008 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Historical footnote
Did you know that Portland isn’t named Boston due to a coin flip?
quid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur
by dvcastle on Dec 30, 2008 2:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I did not
care to elaborate?
-sw
Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Dec 30, 2008 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure on the exact details
but the story is of two pioneers, one of which was from Boston and the other from Maine. They both wanted to name their cities after the ones in their respective states or colonies rather. So they flipped for it.
The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.
Kings fan
by dyshooter182 on Dec 30, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
true story ... interesting read!!!
here’s a link to the naming of portland / almost boston … http://www.travelportland.com/media/history.html
by superhawk81 on Dec 30, 2008 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
big props
Many thanks for the write-up on my beloved blazers. It’s great to see some cross-blogging love.
Putting aside the absolute joy the Celtics provided me during their demolition of the coffee-pee yellow and bruised purple team from plastiques central, KG’s latest attempt to one-up our rook was over the top.
Now, I’m certainly not advocating for any type of retribution which would cause undue or permanent damage to KG but I would pay top dollar to see him be put in his place (perhaps w/o one of his front teeth – I don’t consider that permanent damage as he’s still be able to play). If you’re going to go out and punk someone, he should have manned up to Oden, Pryz, or LMA rather than a 6’ nothin PG whose played a grand total of 20 minutes (guessing) all season. If our guys have any pride they’ll hard foul KG within the first minutes of the game to establish tone, if not, I expect them to get punked once again.
Great work SW and good luck to all the green faithful this evening.
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany."
by dcblazer on Dec 30, 2008 4:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Great read. Not all Blazer fans agree with your friend, but our forums are filled with the non-patient, which clashes with such a young roster. We’ll grow into an awesome force, as long as we avoid injuries. You can win titles with a player like BRoy.
Good luck tonight Boston… go Blazers!
by ItsMrHarris2u on Dec 30, 2008 4:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Paper tiger?
I am a Blazers fan. Mostly because I love the city of Portland and the game of basketball.
And there is a lot to like on this team. Brandon is the real deal. An All Star. And I love the European influence on the squad.
But the team is distinctly a work in progress and so I think I understand where your friend is coming from.
This team is not yet formed. And so it is very hard to gauge where the ceiling is.
I think our identity issues have a lot to do with the PG position. Sergio and Blake are like opposites, in their approach to running the offense. And so we have a team that doesn’t quite know how to play together yet. A consequence of this lack of confidence: An over-reliance on Brandon.
I keep waiting for something to gel with this team so that they can really compete this year. Who knows, maybe it’ll happen tonight when we vanquish the Celtics! ;)
by Blazin' on Dec 30, 2008 5:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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