5 Celts Fall to 6 Blazers
by Green17 on Dec 31, 2008 12:52 AM EST
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The Celtics finished their west coast trip 1 and 3 dropping a close game to the Blazers, sans Roy.
- A very fast start faded in the second quarter with a flat, but not awful bench but then a very cold return by the starters.
- Perk and Eddie in particular had pretty miserable nights. Perk was abused at times by Aldridge and Oden. Eddie on the other hand...oy. The only thing I'll say is that please don't ever try a game winning three off a set inbounds play where you line up 3 feet beyond the three point line and have Oden in your face. That was awful. Free Gabe!
- Oddly enough, the outcome was significantly influenced by a really strange ruling late in the second quarter. The Blazers had 6 men on the floor and scored on an inbound play. Apparently the rule is the basket counts and the Celtics were awarded a technical free throw. I can't figure out how that basket should have counted, that seems like a flawed rule, logically it should be waived off, the clock should be reset and it should be a technical and Celtics ball. So down the stretch, that free two points would have put the Celtics up 1 with near a minute to go, and only down 1 when Eddie took his ridiculous 3 point attempt previously mentioned (Free Gabe).
- Lastly, to all that suffered along wtih me listening to the Blazers feed on League Pass, Mike Rice might be the dumbest commentator I've ever heard. Can't wait to have Mike and Tommy back.
| BOSTON CELTICS | |||||||||||||
| STARTERS | MIN | FGM-A | 3PM-A | FTM-A | OREB | DREB | REB | AST | STL | BLK | TO | PF | PTS |
| Kevin Garnett, PF | 37 | 7-15 | 0-0 | 3-4 | 0 | 8 | 8 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 17 |
| Paul Pierce, SF | 40 | 7-16 | 0-1 | 14-15 | 0 | 5 | 5 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 28 |
| Kendrick Perkins, C | 36 | 3-4 | 0-1 | 1-1 | 2 | 4 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 7 |
| Ray Allen, SG | 42 | 2-11 | 2-6 | 6-6 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 12 |
| Rajon Rondo, PG | 34 | 5-10 | 1-3 | 2-2 | 2 | 4 | 6 | 7 | 3 | 0 | 4 | 1 | 13 |
| BENCH | MIN | FGM-A | 3PM-A | FTM-A | OREB | DREB | REB | AST | STL | BLK | TO | PF | PTS |
| Eddie House, SG | 14 | 1-5 | 0-3 | 1-1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 3 |
| Tony Allen, SG | 14 | 1-2 | 0-0 | 2-2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 4 | 4 |
| Leon Powe, PF | 9 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 |
| Glen Davis, PF | 14 | 1-4 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 2 |
| TOTALS | FGM-A | 3PM-A | FTM-A | OREB | DREB | REB | AST | STL | BLK | TO | PF | PTS | |
| 27-67 | 3-14 | 29-31 | 5 | 24 | 29 | 13 | 7 | 1 | 13 | 20 | 86 | ||
| 40.3% | 21.4% | 93.5% | Team TO (pts off): 13 (22) | ||||||||||
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very discouraging
I really dont know where to begin, but this is the 2nd inexcusable loss on the road trip..
this team is sloppy, has a terrible bench and the big 3 is getting old
by TheAncientRivalry on Dec 31, 2008 12:57 AM EST reply actions
lol @ mike rice
yes he is a homer, and yes we blazer fans love him
Woof
by Charles Barkley McLovin on Dec 31, 2008 12:59 AM EST reply actions
Rice can be annoying...
but that guy who does color for the Knicks, he’s the worst.
by LicketyBrindle on Dec 31, 2008 2:50 AM EST up reply actions
Rice
While he does sound silly (and a little half-cocked), the guy is a living encyclopedia of the game, and is actually highly respected by many in the game (at both college and pro level).
But yes, you wouldn’t know that by listening in on his broadcast. It’s fairly entertaining, though.
Free Gabe?
Now freaking Gabe Pruitt who we’re not even sure if he can get another job in the league after this season is the saviour?
This bench is flawed. The starters play too often under pressure. It was obvious since the Summer. I think it’s now obvious for everyone.
One of the bizarre traits of almost all Celtics boards is this weird “out of sight, top of mind” thing – the club’s savior is the guy who never plays.
People are going to have to get their arms around the fact that there aren’t any solutions under contract for what ails this team. Changes will have to be made, or this season is going to end on a sour note in the playoffs.
It’s really disappointing to win a title with a group that could have won more, then end up with this mess of a bench the next season. The Celtic tradition isn’t about one title; it’s about multiples. Today, I wonder if one title was enough for Wyc.
if you're giving Pruitt away
we’ll take him on the Blazers. – Elgin
It doesn't mean you should just because you can. Like Abraham and Ishmael, fighting over sand - it doesn't mean you should just because you can. That is a fact of life. - Adrian Belew
oh come on now
Rice is biased, but honest. You should hear the Denver announcers.
Anyway, the six player thing was silly, but the Celtics were getting silly calls all night.
A championship team shouldn’t be pointing to one play when losing to a team missing their heart and soul. Good game, hope to see you guys in the playoffs!
Rice is an incredible homer
embarrassing, I think.
I’m old enough to remember the start of Chick Hearn’s career, when he was objective. It took him about 10 years to become an absolute shill. Since then, almost everyone who announces games is hired by the team itself, and travels with the team – that’s kind of a recipe for being a homer. And so, most announcers are.
I also remember when Heinsohn worked on CBS – what an incredible Celtic homer he was at that time.
But who could blame him? – Elgin
It doesn't mean you should just because you can. Like Abraham and Ishmael, fighting over sand - it doesn't mean you should just because you can. That is a fact of life. - Adrian Belew
I personally think Mike Barrett is the most egregious homer.
I was gonna write him an email. MiKeRice always seems to make very objectives points about player placement and coaching moves.
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
actually there was
a scatter plot last year of how knowledgeable and homerish announcers were. rice ranked near the bottom of both.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 1, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Hindsight is 20/20.
But man, it would’ve been so easy for House to have jumped into the airborne Oden on that three point attempt.
by no kidding on Dec 31, 2008 1:03 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
mike rice
I assume he is “dumb” for calling out the ridiculous officiating bias your team enjoys on a regular basis, or the separate rulebook the league has to accommodate Garnette’s behavior. It’s gonna be a long season guys. Better stock up on the wheelchairs.
by Blizzard on Dec 31, 2008 1:06 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is a Boston blog
let’s celebrate at the Blazer Edge
by Falcao on Dec 31, 2008 1:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agree so much
it ain’t even funny…..sure we may come and have a discussion about the game but once gloating and pride rear their ugly heads…..nothing but uglieness can come from it.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Brandon roy
where overrated happens
by TheAncientRivalry on Dec 31, 2008 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
Oh waaah
The only reason you’re over here is because youre a bitter loser from the game earlier this season…let it go big fella, let it go
by TheAncientRivalry on Dec 31, 2008 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
i think you meant to say
“Celticsblog-Where CHAMPIONS happen”
this whole dialogue
is not good
Celts and Blazers fans have a good thing going. Cetls are better, but we won tonight, and thats that.
It was a good, if wacky game.
by matthewcc on Dec 31, 2008 1:28 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
It is just very unusual to have all these fans from another team come over here and trash talk.
I think most C’s fans have been super impressed by the Blazers (I am particularly by Aldridge and have been since he was drafted) and think they are a really good team,
its a numbers game
Blazers Edge dominates the SB Nation network. The traffic for the Blazer’s relative to the city’s size is big.
So this is pretty small spill over, really. Between our two game threads (1st and 2nd half) and minus post game threads, its over 2,000 comments.
It Rains... a LOT, plus we all just got snowed/iced in for a week
The town is a bit antsy, needless to say not only are the PTB blogs hopping, but my guess is late August is going to be a busy time for most local hospitals.
we come over here and talk trash?
scroll up a few comments and you’ll see us being called obnoxious and toolbag. way to represent!
The Blazers as a whole are far more like my wife than like me in the sense of their physicality on defense.
-Dave
its their blog....they are allowed to.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 1, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
agreed. We have a good little mini-rivalry going. I for one have mad respect for this celtics team and hope my blazers can emulate the same defensive intensity this celtics team has.
This was an exciting game no doubt. A tough loss for celtics fans for sure. It’s very possible the 6 man on the court call could have effected the outcome, but I honestly believe we still would have won. Our players had fire in their eyes like I haven’t seen yet all year, no doubt a product of playing the champs ( which I’ll bet gets old for KG and the boys, facing that kind of intensity EVERY night). Celtics fans please take no heed to people that are trolling on here. Most of us Blazer fans are not into gloating after wins.
by dario argento on Dec 31, 2008 3:31 AM EST up reply actions
Hmmm
I think a lot of us are into gloating — at home. It’s tacky to do it here.
Most of the trash talkers here aren’t even regulars at Blazers Edge, some of them I don’t even recognize the name. For all I know, they are L@kers fans trying to stir up trouble.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Dec 31, 2008 6:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
exactly what i thought
good point J.
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
One stinking rebound between Powe and Davis.
When you’re out rebounded 44 to 29, that’s a good place to start examining. That, and the fact that your back up point guard came up with zero assists (again).
The calls were bad each way.
Rondo had that one play where he extended the arm, threw Blake down, and sunk the three… I think it’s pretty even.
What about the 5 steps Pierce is allowed to take
I realize most C’s fans may not even know that’s against the rules since he does it every game, but really, your not allowed to do that. I know, shocking.
Yea true but in the same game where
They called silly travel atleast once on Oden where it actually wasnt a travel u would expect refs to call an actual travel later on in clutch moments to gain advantage…..
"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "
best one liner i ever heard.
i downloaded the game and have watched it three times allready
oden traveled. im trying to see what kind of an impact the officiating really had on the outcome, but either way im greatful. the celtics fans might think their team is falling apart at the bench, but they are the champs, and their respected by everybody in the league. our own Brandon Roy, watches all the celtick games, HES a fan. im just greatfull, that injured, and playing against the best in the world, we found fire. we were intimidated at first, but then sttled down, the C’z were tired down the stretch from a tough road trip, and we stole a game from the best. this was by far a bigger win for the blazers then it was a loss for the celtiks
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
Not a good game played by the Celtics
And Doc Rivers use of BBD with Perkins at the end of the 3rd qtr was wrong. Really our game stinks right now since the 4th qtr of the Laker game. The Sac game appeared to be an absolute walkover. I think we need to trade for another big and try to resign PJ Brown before the end of the season. Where was Leon Powe tonight? Invisible. We saw BBD at least try out there but he was ineffective in his matchups. We let Nate McMillan dictate matchups of the big people and we did a lousy job defending Steve Blake. We missed an opportunity to gain a game on Cleveland tonight.
Boston Celtics - 2008 World Champions
i thought i saw that
you know nate played pryzbilla and oden at the same time too, luckily stealing doc’s idea worked for us.
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Where did all these Portland Jailblazer Trolls come from?
From the Mutanomah County Jail.
Boston Celtics - 2008 World Champions
What's a Mutanomah?
And why does it have a jail?
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 31, 2008 3:17 AM EST up reply actions
Multnomah...
But it is true – I;ve been in Nashua Street, Suffolk County and very briefly at Framingham, and the people I met in Multnomah County Jail, the old 2nd Avenue City Jail in Portland, and even OSP were more literate, and computer and basketball savvy than those I met in MA.
But Garnett would have been a punk in any of those places
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 31, 2008 4:14 AM EST up reply actions
In the long run
this road trip will hopefully be a blemish in the rearview mirror, and that will be that.
I wasn’t ready to handle a third poor performance in four games tonight.
Props to the Blazers for an incredibly gutsy performance without their captain and best player in Brandon Roy. The fellas in white all stepped up, and the crowd at the Rose Garden sounded great on television. Enjoy this win, Blazer fans – your boys earned this one.
Let’s get ready to roll Washington on Friday.
-sw
Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Dec 31, 2008 1:12 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, Blazer fans, enjoy this one. But go somewhere else and do it.
by no kidding on Dec 31, 2008 1:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously...
And come back when you make the playoffs….
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Dec 31, 2008 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks SW for the props
Honestly, the C’s are the best team in the L, it’s the reason we party like we won the championship when we beat them. Not sure why everyone else is shocked when the “Multnomah County Jail Blazer Trolls” come out in force after a victory. Take it as a sign of respect, most teams fear Boston and rarely do they think they even have a chance.
It’s a tribute to the C’s and their talent that other people take such pride in beating them… trust me, most of us aren’t going to be whooping it up on an OKC blog when the Blazers beat them.
It feels especially good to get this victory after the KG-Bayless Barking incident, and the continued elbows by KG to the heads of half the Blazers… I think that is where most of the “anger” against the C’s is coming from. I know I was rooting for the C’s against the Lakers last year, but then to see them “represent” their championship the way they have against PTB has been… distatesful.
I truly hope the Blazers get to play the Celts again this year, the C’s could win every one of those games in a sweep and I wouldn’t care!
by diskord on Dec 31, 2008 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Most of us Blazer fans were rooting for the Celts in the Finals last year, and most of us had a lot of respect for KG.
For him to go Bat*** crazy all of a sudden, and have no one mentioning it has soured a lot of us on the Celtics.
None of that changes the fact that you have the best defense in the league, and should be favored to win another title or two before your window closes.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 31, 2008 3:20 AM EST up reply actions
The Garnett barking lunacy has stuck in my craw
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 31, 2008 4:16 AM EST up reply actions
Do we have the worst bench in the league?
by TheAncientRivalry on Dec 31, 2008 1:17 AM EST reply actions
No.
It’s just reall getting exposed by teams with better benches. Especially teams with bigs too tall for Powe and Davis.
Yeah
You guys are a little thin, but you’ve got some decent players. But our bench is really deep, and we’ve got two seven foot centers who are both playing as if they are in the top 15 centers in the league right now. You guys just don’t have an answer for that.
Your starters are better than ours, and if by some miracle we make the Finals, you would beat us, because there’s rest between every game, but when you’re finishing out a hard road trip and everyone is a little tired, lack of depth and our size just beat you down. While you’ve been on the road, we’ve been at home getting ready for you. That stuff happens in the NBA.
You guys will be ok. You might only win 67-68 games this year because you don’t have enough depth. Too bad.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
several points:
1. For those of us Celts fans who have talked among ourselves for years, those days are over for some reason. probably thanks to the gang here at celts blog
2. Speaking of which, can we NOW get a consensus that foolish nonsense like having SW do a long article giving other teams credit oh say every 18 hours or so is just so absurd.?Can we loan him out to the nba and there officials as their pr guy? he is perfect for that job. steve for david sterns pr guy: woooo hoooo!
3. What an awesome bench! but danny had a great summer, right? right??
4. We cannot get past cle with this bench. DOES EVERYONE GET THAT NOW?? if so the losses are a blessing
So a big problem with the Celtics is who Steve Weinman writes about? That’s idiotic.
As for the bench, what do you really expect when you’re sinking that much money into the Big 3?
The bench isn’t that bad. The problem is how it’s being utilized.
If my refusing to praise those around the league who earn it would make the Celts go undefeated,
then sign me up now. I’d love to do my part.
Since I’m going to go ahead and believe that this isn’t actually the case, I’m going to keep calling ’em as I see ’em. Thanks for your input though, wahz.
-sw
Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Dec 31, 2008 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
I find your comments on most teams useful and interesting
and your analysis pretty sharp. One of the best, really
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 31, 2008 4:19 AM EST up reply actions
You and others have infested this blog so that actual celtics fans can't have a discussion in this medium
An example might be that i criticize the opinion of a person who isn’t an actual celts fan, and you say that i am saying that person is a big problem for the celtics. Cool huh, but this is how things degenerate. save your nonsense for someone else.
The celtics needed to sign posey. Danny isn’’t an idiot and he may well know how badly he screwed up now. if more losses will do it, fine. but its getting worse: PERK got EXPOSED by oden a guy id give almost anything for. i knew he’d play like a celtic in this game. he loves contact. he was our guy all along.
deke is gone. We need pj and we need a big trade for a 3/4 who can play d and shoot the three
Can't please everyone, I guess
Sorry to hear you feel that way about my involvement here. Looks like we’ll simply not be seeing eye to eye on this one, which is merely the way things go sometimes.
-sw
Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Dec 31, 2008 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
You're coming perilously close...
… to crossing the line between legitimate debate and personal attacks. Watch it.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Well, mabye it's not a big problem
But it’s clearly hurting the team out. I think Steve Weinman’s articles are one of the reasons this team is struggling. Then, you have Simmons jinxing us with the ’96 Bulls comparison. I say we pack both of them for Adande. Or whoever is the tallest columnist out there.
More seriously, the bench is that bad.
Besides, a true Celtics fan...
..doesn’t watch games from other teams. That’s just weak. Ideally, one wouldn’t even know the names of their players or stuff like that.
by cordobes on Dec 31, 2008 2:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope that was sacrcasm,
because that’s the problem with too many Celtic fans. They are only Celtic fans, not basketball or NBA fans. That’s weak.
Knowing cordobes, I think you can be fairly confident
that he was in fact kidding on this one. :-D
-sw
Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Dec 31, 2008 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Good enough.
I’m new here, so I wasn’t sure. By the way, my previous comment wasn’t a crack on any fan here, just in general.
As a Blazer fan
I think you should give wahz a break. After all, some Blazer fan just posted on your blog that KG’s barking at Bayless in the game at Boston is the reason you guys are losing games now.
I think it is possible that Steve Weinman’s articles are causing just as many Celtics losses as KG’s barking. Maybe even ten times as many losses.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
C's fan expectations are too high...
The C’s are having an outstanding season. C’s fans should be proud! To hope that they will stay at or near 90% all season long is unrealistic. It prevents the team from working on the basics, instead they’re just playing to win – and at the expense of the starters. Example, they need to put faith in the bench. Yes the bench may cost them a game or two, but you don’t want to end up in the playoff with a bench that hasn’t been allowed to grow; has not been allowed to fail; to be tested. If the C’s are forced by expectation to win every game, the starters will be completely drained by the end of the season. The Cavs lost today… the Laker have lost a few after a great start… loses are bound to happen… trust that the C’s are a great team and they’ll make it to the Finals.
Take home message: It’s all about pacing yourself and peaking in the post season. (They certainly should work at home court advantage to exclusion of all else.)
LA fan in NY, who hopes to see KG and Pierce in the Finals!
To Obama-Nation......
that’s some good advice. i got mad respect for the lakers and i didn’t think that 70 wins was possible. every good team has its ups and downs, so this was coming sooner or later.
Hey Guys
Sorry about the trolling Blazers fans, there are always bad apples.
The Celtics will be fine. A couple losses to teams you should beat 9 times out of 10 won’t ruin your guys’ season. The Blazers lost to the Clippers at home, so let me tell you…..
Anyway, good game, good luck, see you guys next year.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
Yeah, it was a great game
and the Celtics are the better team. The fans are just amped because we’ve sucked for so long that a win like this feels sweet.
No its not that we suck and beat KG the Blazers fans came here.
Its cuz KG always talks trash and puts his antics on before other team fans, so there is nothing wrong with talking to trash to trash talkers if you can back it up with a win.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
-1
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
And your not trolling?
Stop being guilty for someone else. Its just a game and fans dude.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
-1
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
All I wanted to say is...
you are spot on about Mike Rice. Try listening to him for 18 years! He’s most famous for actually getting thrown out of a game by Steve Javie as a commentator. We all wish it would happen 82 times/year.
Meaningless loss for you guys, that does nothing to diminish your standing as a a favorite to win it all. Huge win for us who can’t seem to stand up to tough, physical teams.
We’ve been watching a downright awful Oden all year, so to see him impact a game against the best was almost as satisfying as finally getting gritty win.
This loss does matter
we lost 2 games that we never shouldve lost on this road trip and we arent helping our case for homecourt against cleveland losing games we should win especially on nights they lose…the lakers loss was hard, but really not suprising considering how badly they wanted revenge and how they are a legit team, but the other 2 losses on this roadie are inexcusable
by TheAncientRivalry on Dec 31, 2008 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
Well now
The Blazers are 20 and 12… that’s not quite the bottom dwelling of the Warriors. I bet the Blazers would win one game, maybe two home games in a 7 game series against Boston… I can’t say the same for Golden State. So let’s not go comparing Portland to the max dysfunction of Oakland.
whaa happen?
in fairness
the celtiks are lagitamatly far enough above us, that the difference between us and the warriers, only matter tu us.
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
I just wanted to read your guys blog, but
after you called Mike Rice names, I will respond. I watched some games on NBAtv that Boston commentators did, and they whine about every call or non call. I got to tell you the truth thats the worst whining I ever heard by commentators.
And KG I used to respect him allot, and I respect your team for playing such great D, but after I saw how he acts towards white player and rookies, and how he hit LMA tonight…. I don’t have that much respect.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
LMA was asking for it...
Aldridge was bumping, grinding, clutching, grabbing, KG all night. The so-called hit was an unintentional elbow as they were disentangling…because once again Aldridge was all up in KG’s grill after the play was over. Good for Aldridge for finally manning up against KG, but don’t come whining here after an inadvertant elbow. You sound like a baby.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Dec 31, 2008 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
BS
Celts always bump you and thats fine and when other team bumps back KG has to throw an elbow. Yeah yeah your making good excuses.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
How do you throw an unintentional elbow AFTER the play and expect it to just be part of the tangle
Stop making excuses for something so obvious. Not only does Garnett go around barking like a dog, he throws elbows and tries to put the “I didn’t do nuthin” pose.
The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.
Kings fan
by dyshooter182 on Dec 31, 2008 2:29 AM EST up reply actions
And Garnett wasn't in everyone else's grill?
You’re trying to excuse Garnett because someone stood up to him and played the way that KG plays EVERY SINGLE NIGHT? A guy who clutches, grabs and “inadvertantly” elbows his way in the paint both offensively and defensively. Don’t say LMA was asking for it but KG wasn’t unless you are going to just play biased homer.
LMA was "asking for it"
In the way KG often thinks people are “asking for it”- he dared to actually play defense, he dared to score over KG, he dared to retaliate when KG cheap-shotted him. KG bought the hype that LMA was soft, and tried to play the bully. It didn’t work. End of story.
Even a professional-grade agitator like KG can’t win them all.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 31, 2008 3:30 AM EST up reply actions
As a Minneapolis guy...
… I can vouch for the fact that KG has had those “thuggish” antics in his trick bag for a long time. It does seem a little overboard this year, but probably only because the media is paying closer attention to him and to the Celts than they ever paid to those old T-Wolves games. He’s still a great player, but his rep is becoming more like Karl Malone’s with every passing game. That’s not such a bad thing.
"Greed is Good."
So is Rudy.
Here's why the C's shouldn't feel bad about today's loss...
Portland’s record is misleading. About the best way to describe the Blazers is inconsistent and maybe under-performing … but certainly not an average team. They’ve got talent. They’ve won against top notch teams in West and the East. By the end of the season the Blazers may be the team to beat in the West. And while nobody is really talking about it, Portland is the one team that other teams in the West don’t like matching up with. They play hard, and smart and they don’t give up.
The C’s may want to look at this as a possible warm up for things to come… one never knows. So a loss like today’s could potentially help the C’s if they were to face the Blazer in the Finals… revenge is a dish best served on a parquet floor.
Um redux
No, he didn’t play. But this is another reason why I say the C’s shouldn’t feel bad. The Blazers are a well rounded team that doesn’t rely on one man to win. The C’s suffered a loss… but not a devastating loss. It’s not the kind of loss that should make people feel like the C’s have to change anything. They just need to do what all good teams do: Make adjustments… fine tune… find a way to teach the young bench players how to confidently contribute when their numbers are called. There is certainly no need to panic. As I see it, C’s fans (long term fans) are savvy and as frustrating as a loss is, the overall record is still the best in the league. If you’re only here to support your team while they’re winning these losses must be big for you. But long time fans have to be pretty happy with the way the season is going. Again, no need to panic!
And don’t forget, you guys are the champs… every team out there is gunning for you.
LAKERS vs CELTIC in the ’09 Finals!
by Obama-Nation on Dec 31, 2008 1:59 AM EST up reply actions
Portland is not that well-rounded
in tight fourth quarters, Roy has taken over or the Blazer’s have lost. That simple
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 31, 2008 4:26 AM EST up reply actions
They were well-rounded in this game
A lot of players who can hurt you.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
True, Sensei (no sarcasm)
but have we seen that before? An occasional three from Blake, last year’s jumpers from Travis, and I remember Jack hitting a few big shots once upon a time. But not regularly and not over a full final quarter. Last night was remarkable.
Sorry C’s fans – I’m getting off your blog. It was an entertaining game and see you next year.
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 31, 2008 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Im badluck
this is the fifth celtics game that ive watched this season and its the fourth game that they lost
i was disappointed when roy wasnt able to play coz he is on my fantasy team.. but then the c’s lost and it makes me feel really terrible.. what a way to spend my new year’s eve
bad game by perk powe and davis.. we definitely need PJ. i think losing roy made the blazers pound it inside, thus taking advantage of their size/length advantage.
WE NEED PJ!!!
The bench needs more time
Please, everyone, the season is barely 3 months old- the same as our new bench.
We are seeing what a big blow losing Posey was but there is still a lot of growth to become of the bench with Tony Allen, Leon Powe and “Big Baby” Davis, as well as Gabe Pruitt. I’m hoping Patrick O’Bryant steps up but it looks like he is a couple more years away.
Having said that, I would be surprised if there weren’t some small tweaks such as Gabe eating into Eddie House’s minutes and possibly a free agent big man added. Don’t forget we have “super-sub” Sam Cassell waiting for his chance (apparently he is being rested for the playoff run).
But the question is- who is to be dropped from the 15-man roster when and if we sign another big man?
by Ruben Wolkowyski on Dec 31, 2008 1:53 AM EST reply actions
OH Ya
You guys lost to the Warriors bench ( No Crawford, Ellis, Magette) and lost to a Brandon Royless blazers. HAHAHAHAHAH
by LakersExposeCeltics on Dec 31, 2008 1:53 AM EST reply actions
Great...Longest streak in the NBA 33 by who LAKERS!! FYI..
the rockets won 23 straight and got dumped in the first round….by the way the records of the lakers, cavs, and celts are virtually the same
by LakersExposeCeltics on Dec 31, 2008 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, and championships aren't won in December...
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Dec 31, 2008 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
Smart man
so stop throwing your 19 game winning streak around like the championship is already yours…Celts has a harder road to the finals; You still have to get past the Cavs…and i got money on LBJ
by LakersExposeCeltics on Dec 31, 2008 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
here's the news:
that happened in 1972, and in a few hours, it will be 2009.
Buy a sundial or something! – Elgin
It doesn't mean you should just because you can. Like Abraham and Ishmael, fighting over sand - it doesn't mean you should just because you can. That is a fact of life. - Adrian Belew
great game either way
both teams could have won it, but a great game none the less, definately proves both teams are quality, good luck to the celtics in the playoffs
5 on 6?
I’m not sure I follow…
5 on 6 Blazers for one play. The rest of the game 5 cheltics plus 3 refs vs. 5 Blazers = 8 on 5. The fact is that the Cheltics got outplayed, and it seems like their fans don’t like sour grapes.
5 on 6 is a problem... and it's not sour grapes
When a game this close is determined by a weird call, it makes the losing team question the results, and it puts a blemish on the win for the winning team.
The plain truth is that it was a weird call. There shouldn’t be a basketball fan alive that doesn’t question this call… it just seems like a bad rule… AND bad for the game of basketball. If the refs didn’t screw this one up, they need to change that rule. It does not make sense.
Laker Fan!
by Obama-Nation on Dec 31, 2008 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
regarding that rule..
i believe the blazer commentators are right. i would definitely trade 1 technical foul shot for a 2/3 point basket any time!
There are blown calls every game
Every single one of them impacts a close game. Are you going through game tape and objectively counting the missed travels, fouls and calls to determine some magical alternative result? It is sour grapes when you only focus on the one that hurts your team…because you lost…
I agree with you to a point...
… but this isn’t an issue of whether or not this one call had a major effect… even if it did, so what. In the scheme of things poor officiating isn’t going to affect a team overall during the course of a season because in the final analysis it ends up being a wash (Tim Donaghy and NBA conspiracy theories notwithstanding). The central point is that the call was bizarre… and changed the tenor of the game. Uncertainty about calls and strange rulings breeds discontent during the game and in its aftermath. It just shouldn’t have happened.
I think we’ll hear more about this call in days to come.
by Obama-Nation on Dec 31, 2008 3:43 AM EST up reply actions
not a game breaker
If the final score had been 87-86, you might have a point – Elgin
It doesn't mean you should just because you can. Like Abraham and Ishmael, fighting over sand - it doesn't mean you should just because you can. That is a fact of life. - Adrian Belew
Um, it was a 1 pt game with 22 seconds to go , without that cheesy play in which KG and Perk were screaming at the refs before and during the play that there were 6 men on the court and they proceeded to count the dunk…so with 22 seconds to go, instead of having a 1 pt lead, we are down 1 and forced to foul and pray you miss..get it yet kid?
by TheAncientRivalry on Dec 31, 2008 2:15 AM EST up reply actions
i still dont think it goes that way.. but the game wouldve been a bit different if that didnt happen.
ive said it before(during the phx loss and losing streak a season ago) and im gona say it now.. what doesnt kill you, makes you stronger. its games like this that makesa us prepare for what really matters- the playoffs
You miss the point...
I’m not a C’s fan. I’ve liked Portland since Clyde the Glide… it’s not about who wins or loses. It’s about putting good rules on the books. It’s about good basketball. I would not be happy if the Lakers had lost under these circumstances. It just blemishes the game when you wonder whether or not the refs are up to snuff. And worse, that the league is being mismanaged. Nobody likes complaints about calls. We all just want calls to go both ways with a degree of equity. This was a weird call… and that is a fact!
Get it old man!
by Obama-Nation on Dec 31, 2008 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
I refuse to believe the refs ruled that play correctly
If so, what would prevent a team from always using an extra guy, get the hoop, then give up 1 point on the technical free throw, it would be a no-brainer 1 point advantage. I don’t think there is a rule that gives an advantage to the team who is breaking the rule. It is similar to Westphal’s timeout in Game 5 in the 76 Finals that he didn’t have. Phoenix took the T, let the Celtics shoot the free throw to go up by 2, but they got the ball back and Gar Heard hit that shot. The rule was subsequently changed so that possession was not rewarded to the team calling timeout without one to avoid that being exploited again. If somehow that was the proper ruling tonight, it should also be changed, or the C’s would be wise to send out an extra guy when they really need 1 pt.., knowing they can get the easy 2 and still come out +1 after the T.
I feel your frustration...
All I could find is that it’s a technical foul… but it said nothing about counting a score. It just seems to be common sense that they would not count the shot. But I’m just a lowly basketball fan.
by Obama-Nation on Dec 31, 2008 2:37 AM EST up reply actions
I could definitely see
disallowing the points,
rolling the clock back to where it started,
letting the Celtics shoot the T,
then starting over again with 5 on 5. – Elgin
It doesn't mean you should just because you can. Like Abraham and Ishmael, fighting over sand - it doesn't mean you should just because you can. That is a fact of life. - Adrian Belew
What ever blazers did they won and it does not matter which way.
Celts do it with trash talk and other antics, so blazers got their own antics. I’m surprised BIG BABY didn’t pull out his napkin to wipe his tears. Dude if Celts need that one point to beat Blazers with out Roy then….
Man Celts talk trash like they are going to win by 100, then when they loose they cry with BIG BABY about one point. Step up your game.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Dec 31, 2008 2:25 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
+1
The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.
Kings fan
by dyshooter182 on Dec 31, 2008 2:27 AM EST up reply actions
Well, whatever Blazers were at home and this game has an asterick on it at the very least because of that call. If that makes Blazers fans happy well…
What in the world
is an “asterick”? Is it anything like an asterisk? *
Open invitation: all you who are self-proclaimed ping pong experts. If you think you can beat me - or if you just want to see how it's really played: cdd37@yahoo.com. This means you, too, Jerryd.
Yep, the C's won the Championship last year
simply through trash talk and antics, it is just that easy.
How does a championship from a last year possibly matter in this conversation?
The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.
Kings fan
by dyshooter182 on Dec 31, 2008 2:37 AM EST up reply actions
Im not meaning to blame this loss solely on that call, we had plenty of oppurtunities and didnt execute…but face it that was a downright tragedy, there were 6 man on the gdamn court bro, and KG and Perk were screaming it in the refs face before/during and after the play and they counted the basket!!! wake up
by TheAncientRivalry on Dec 31, 2008 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
whatever
the league always bails out the big markets and now they didn’t cuz it was a surprise to them, or if its legal then why everybody whines about it like its the biges reason the Celts lost.
I get that it sucks but your not the only one that feels that way, everybody does sometimes.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Um okay
how would taking away a basket scored with 6 men on the court be bailing a bigger market team out? that just doesnt make sense, it would be the right thing..
by TheAncientRivalry on Dec 31, 2008 2:42 AM EST up reply actions
Well
the right thing is what you think not what the league thinks, they gave the basket and count it right.
I cry about the league too that sometimes there are calls that favor the big market teams. Get used to it. You wont get used to it, cuz your team is good and sometimes gets the favorite call. But if you think that the refs make the right call and don’t favorite the big name teams, then that call with 6 player was right too, cuz thats what the refs do.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
I meant
the right thing is what the refs called not what you think.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Um
You arent making any sense to me…bro there were 6 men on the court, the refs were wrong, the league was wrong, period
by TheAncientRivalry on Dec 31, 2008 2:56 AM EST up reply actions
I know you lost and half asleep so how can I make sense
Bro if the league is wrong then they will change it. Since nothing changed I think everything is right.
By the way if the league is wrong its in calling soft fouls when you touch a super star, but the super star can get away with some stuff that the other players wont get away with.
There is no fairness in the league. So thats all
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
And by the way who cares you lost
You guys are going to win the ring this year anyways so this lose does not really matter
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
I cant believe youre on here trying to somehow defend counting a basket when you had 6 men on the court…i mean seriously? Im also not saying we win if that play doesnt happen, but still, I dont care whether or not the league does anything about it, it was wrong by the refs and the league
by TheAncientRivalry on Dec 31, 2008 3:05 AM EST up reply actions
So what I cant belive your crying about it.
Im defending the Blazers and what ever it takes to win. Yes if thinking as a person that should of not counted, but Im also a fan so I got to defend my team.
But I also see Boston, Lakers get away with crap that other teams dont, cuz refs dont respect them as much. So there is injustice everywhere. Im done. good night.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Still
Defending the blazers counted basket with 6 men on the court? LOL, please
by TheAncientRivalry on Dec 31, 2008 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
basketball is a game of five on five
noware in any version of any definition will you ever find six on five as part of a basketball definition, except on youtube clips of this game. it was wrong of us to get the points, and also wrong of blazers fans to come into the celticks house to talk smack about it, wether or not we think your right, its your house. sorry for the crappy ettiquette, the vast majority of us are not this way, and the majority of the blazer trolls hear do not regularly participate in BEdge discution or are verry new.
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Dec 31, 2008 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
better to beef at the ref
than to play defense on that play? – Elgin
It doesn't mean you should just because you can. Like Abraham and Ishmael, fighting over sand - it doesn't mean you should just because you can. That is a fact of life. - Adrian Belew
Which one of our players was in the penalty box? What was the penalty?
by Finkelskyhook on Dec 31, 2008 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry...
I believe I misread your comment…. I think we’re in agreement that this call was unacceptable, regardless of who it was called on. I’m still dumbfounded by the call. I hope the league recognizes how ridiculous it is… it makes no sense at all.
by Obama-Nation on Dec 31, 2008 2:28 AM EST up reply actions
man please
the league they are a machine that wont change nothing. If the refs knew that that call will result in Celts lose, I bet they would take away those 2 points by Outlaw. Well that mentality should change for sure.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
but that's a stretch
the play in question (which was clearly bungled by the refs), happened at the end of the first half. to assume the next 23:38 of game time would have went exactly the same from that point on is just not realistic. Given a 2 point swing in the score, literally dozens of things could have occurred differently for the next two quarters. maybe a guy takes a 3 instead of a 2 at some point, maybe a coach uses his timeouts differently, maybe different plays are called in the 4th quarter if a team was up instead of down or vice versa. Without getting into our alternate universe machine, it’s just impossible to know.
Had the play happened with 22 seconds left in the 4th quarter, you can make a very strong case that it cost the Celtics the game. But it happened at the end of the 2nd, so you really can’t say that with any kind of certainty. As it stands, it was a bad call resulting in a 2 point swing. Bad calls resulting in 2 points swings (or more) happen a half dozen times in every game. At the end of the days, Boston had 2 full quarters and lots of opportunitties to overcome that bad call. They weren’t able to do it.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
True, Rice and Barrets are homers
But the last Blazers commentator, who was a bit more objective, was fired. Sure Rice is annoying at times (as a Blazers fan, I have to listen to him in 75% of games) but he is just trying to make a living. If you want annoying and bad journalism, youtube Rebecca Haarlow…
It's one freaking game
The Celts did not lose the Finals, nor did the Blazers win it. In fact, Portland better make sure they make the playoffs before they start making Finals reservations. I can remember all the doom and gloom, about the bench also, after the 3 game losing streak out West last year and those getting sized for rings after the Texas triangle. It all has to be kept in perspective. The regular season has its ups and downs, conclusions can’t be drawn about any one matchup because the teams don’t adjust and play again as in a series. The Celts beat the Mavs and SA last year at home without KG, did that mean anything about, “imagine if we did have KG” of course not, same with Roy being out. In a single game, that can actually work as a motivator for the rest of the team. Again, in a series, that loss would show up, as would Portland folding up when they had to play in Boston.
Enjoy the 1 win of 82 Portland, that is all it is.
by KJ33 on Dec 31, 2008 2:21 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
good game
to watch. We’ll meet again someday.
The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.
Kings fan
We love Mike Rice...
Mike Rice might be the dumbest commentator I’ve ever heard.
I can TOTALLY understand how he doesn’t play well outside of Blazerland; a few words to explain the attraction. Imagine your goofy uncle who always gets a little drunk at every family get-together, and is constantly blurting out silly and vaguely inappropriate things. You’ve known him forever, you LOVE him, he’s your favorite uncle. He makes ya laugh with his malapropisms and bizarre observations and wow, what are the odds? — now he’s on TV. He’s just a little juiced, per usual, and him being him, he’s not afraid to give the refs hell when he feels like it, in spite of the bland uniformity that the league office seems intent on propagating…
He’s not a TOTAL basketball dunce, mind you — just a little bit bizarre and half-cocked and out of control…
He’s The Wild One, Mike Rice.
From Wikipedia (with many chortles):
Mike Rice (basketball announcer)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Mike Rice is one half of the Portland Trail Blazers’ television broadcasting team. A member of the Blazers broadcasting team for over 18 years, Rice is considered one the greatest color commentators in team history with a reputation for telling wild, grandiose, and often times incoherent stories which have truly earned him his “colorful” job title. Rice is known as a red-faced and jolly family man, who enjoys drinking Bombay Sapphire tonics and really any gin and tonic for that matter or whiskey regardless of label, during halftime breaks or in between full time-outs. He also holds the honor of being the only NBA announcer to ever be ejected from an NBA game.1
A superstar basketball player at Duquesne University, Rice earned an All-American honorable mention selection his senior year leading his Dukes to the NIT tournament. Although the NBA was calling and the Detroit Pistons selected him in the 8th round of the 1962 NBA Draft, Rice decided that his skills could be better utilized from an educating standpoint and opted for a career in coaching. After an extremely successful high school coaching career, Rice moved on to coach at Duquesne and Youngstown State, leading both to multiple post-season appearances. Mike Rice was so good as a coach that twice he was named “Coach of the Year”.2
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 31, 2008 2:35 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Per the comments above (which I just now read)...
Boston is very clearly the best team in the NBA (this coming from a fan of both the Blazers and the Lakers).
We’re just excited tonight because we turned the Wicked Witch of the East (the hated KG & Co.) into a mudpuddle…
In the long run, this is a mild speedbump for Boston. It’s not like they’re on the bubble of even making the playoffs like the Blazers are.
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
Timbo
You’re the man.
I LOVE celticsblog. Been reading it since the 2207 draft. You guys are great.
Sorry for a few bad apples. KG kind of riled up a bunch of people with the barking thing.
Timbo hit the nail on the head. Big win for us because you have the best team.
It’s been a long time since we were good. We’re having some fan growing pains trying to learn how to deal with being good again.
8th round? really??
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Dec 31, 2008 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Dave from Blazersedge here
First of all, sorry about the loss. Not totally from a Blazer fan’s perspective, of course, but we know what losses feel like, having had about 3 times as many as you guys, so there’s some empathy.
Regarding the 6-on-5 play there’s an incorrect interpretation in the description here that’s being repeated. I’m not saying the correct interpretation will ease the pain, but it might help clarify how much this play contributed.
The recap states that had the refs made the correct call to begin with the Celtics would have taken a technical free throw and gotten the ball to end the first half. This is incorrect. The penalty for putting too many men on the court is a technical free throw, period. Had the refs made that call the Celtics would have gotten the same free throw, which they made, but the Blazers would have retained possession to end the half. We do not know what would have happened on that possession. It’s possible that the Blazers would have missed the shot but it’s also possible that they would have converted a shot, leaving the score the same, or even hit a three, putting the Celtics one more point in the hole. Therefore erasing the points like they didn’t happen (and never could have happened) and extrapolating from that the late-game situation is incorrect…or at least quite possibly incorrect. More things would have had to occur besides the refs catching the infraction to make that so.
This is also the reason why, once the Celtics inbounded the ball for the final shot of the half, the points could not have simply been erased. To do so would have cost the Blazers the prescribed technical plus the loss of two points plus the loss of a possession plus the Celtics gaining an extra opportunity to score when the only penalty called for was the technical.
Hope that makes sense. Better luck against the Wizards. Not that you guys need much luck.
—Dave
thanks Dave
"Would I rather be feared or loved? Easy. Both. I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." Michael Scott
Dave...
My comment wasn’t that that this is what the rule is (as you’ve characterized) its that this is what seems logical to me as what the rule SHOULD be. I see your point about retaining possession, but there is no way a basket should ever count when it is scored with more than 5 players on the court for one team. That is just ridiculous.
And to clarify for all the people overreacting to my comment on this post – no this did not outright cost us the game, its a weird play that deserves mention. There are good calls / bad calls for each team that affect the outcome of the game, however this seems like a FLAWED RULE (as opposed to a bad call) and that is why it deserves attention.
When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
just to be sure
you are suggesting the rule should be a technical free throw and possesion? That would be the most severe penalty in the game. But the possession change would only apply if the offending team was on offense. what happens if the defensivive team brought out 6 guys? would the offensive team then get to run a possesion, have the play stopped after a possesion change, and then run another one in order to get the same benefit that a team on defense would receive in the reverse circumstance? that makes no sense.
This is almost exactly like a defensive 3 second violation, only in reverse – stop play, give the other team a technical, then resume play with the same team having possession.
The problem with the play is that they allowed the basket to count. The rule should be (and maybe is?), to waive off the basket, let the Celtics shoot the technical, then let Portland inbound again from the same spot they were before. Maybe put the time back on the clock like the play never happened.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
you're right that makes more sense.
writing that at 1 am I probably didn’t think it through all the way. regardless, under any scenario, the 2 points should not count and that is the key point.
When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
agreed
which is what the rule may already be (anyone know?). It seems logical that they could have wiped them off then and there, given Boston the technical, then had Portland inbound again, only with 5 players this time. If that isn’t the current rule, it should be. But as Dave pointed out, once they gave the ball to Boston after the technical, the die was cast and there was no way you could take the points off the board later (say, at halftime).
So, the rule itself may be correct, and refs just bungled the play in question, which is kinda understandable. After all, how often does 6 men on the court happen?
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
I Understand...
the frustration of losing a game you feel you should have won. But please please give credit where credits due, the team that beat you! not a referee. (as explained by Dave from Blazersedge)
This team played you straight took your physical play and gave it back and beat you without their star and leader. And typically giving up 3-4 inches with every guard machup. Please show some respect for the blazers.
I missed the game, BUT
I’m looking at the box score and 3 things stand out:
1.) The Celts were out-rebounded 44-29. That’s not good. Your not going to win very many games getting beat on the boards by 15.
2.) Our bench was awful. We only got 9 points and 2 rebounds from the bench. The Blazers got 29 points and 12 rebounds from their bench. Our starting 5 is really good, but they need help and their not getting it.
3.) Blake and Outlaw = 15 for 26 (58%) from the field for 38 points. With Roy out, they certainly stepped up…
So much for this blog...
No longer is it a sanctuary for reasoned analysis. Nope, the hordes of 15 year old fans of West coast teams have decided to spread their one-line witticisms (if their comments can even be called such) all over CelticsBlog.
one more comment from a BEdger
Mike Rice is totally annoying actually.. I really cannot deal with him. I prefer to attempt to sync my radio and my TV so I can get our much better radio broadcasters going.. Mike Rice just seems to babble at times and often doesn’t seem entirely prepared.. or paying attention..
but today I didn’t need a commentator because I was there and it felt good to see the Blazers scrap out a win against the most consistent team in the league.. and to do it with defense was nice.. a comment was recently made by Brandon Roy that the Celtics are the team he watches because they are a consistent team who wins with the right way.. with mental toughness and defense..
Baring injury, a 66-70 win season is still entirely realistic for the Celtics… you guys still have the best team.. why do you care about us overenthusiastic blazer fans taking over your blog for a night when you know that ALL signs point to your Celtics playing through June while us Blazer fans will be rationalizing the first or maaaybe second round playoff outing because at least we made it..
Boycott Rose Garden Concessions!!!
http://www.blazersedge.com/2008/11/8/657044/boycotting-rose-garden-con
And look, you won't see Blazer fans for another year!
unless you try trading to Memphis for Darius Miles. Not a lot of us have strong opinions on the relative merits of Gabe Pruitt and Eddie House
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
Refs ultimately are unimportant
For most blazer fans i could imagine that one extra freak point is merely seen as less than fair compensation for some pretty ticky tacky calls made by Rodney Mott. However its pretty ridiculous to blame the refs when ultimately it always comes down to the players on the court. As a fan ive cursed the refs many a time where it seems like they are the 6th man on the court for the other team but generally it comes down to intensity and plays every game. The blazers came out weak in the first quarter and managed to battle back. A championship team can’t blame a loss on a call that at most gave the blazers one extra point when they had already blown a 13 point lead. Thats on the players, not the refs. Both teams played hard and the home team one. Call it a push and move on.
despite the invasion of the blazer fans to this site— that call by the refs and the nba was the worst call i have ever experienced. as the play evolved you could see kg and perk yelling to the refs about the extra player and giving up on the play. how could a team be credited with the points. that play was the acme of the lunacy of stern and the complete subjectivity every game of 3 refs who have all kinds of calls-subcalls-superstar noncalls,etc. that worm their way into each game. that being said, eddie absolutely stunk out the house the whole time he was on the floor. he stank the whole west coast trip except for piling on to the hapless kings. all our recent talk about gabe is justified. the c’s can’t win them all and the effort was there last night. kg andd pp were great and rondo who is the key to the o was up and down. ray again was missing in action.
Blog trash talk is uncool
I just handed out a couple of warnings and that idiot Laker fan was banned
I’m pretty disappointed in the “spill over” from Blazer nation and I’ll discuss that with Blazers Edge privately. With that said, I don’t think this is a true representation of Blazer fans in general and I intend to maintain good relationships with all the Blazer blogs and fans.
I’m also a little sad to see Celtics fans reacting to trollish behavior. I know it was a bad loss and it was the middle of the night on the East coast, but try not to lower yourself to the level of trolls. Moderators will take care of them. Hope you understand.
"Would I rather be feared or loved? Easy. Both. I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." Michael Scott
I'm a Blazers fan and our fans are getting incredibly obnoxious.
I rue the day the Blazers actually win a playoff series. It’s too bad that when a guy gets banned from a blog or two on SB Nation, that he doesn’t get banned from them all.
Root for another team then. I'm sure there are "nice" fans pulling for Minnesota or Memphis...
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
Its easy to deceive people, just pretend that your a fans of that opposing team and spread hate. most of them are not from Bedgers. Im a regular reader in bedgers blog though im a Boston celtics fans. Its easy to spread hate and confusion and when we react on that, we’r going to mess with the good people than the bad ones.
Being a championship team that loss is hard to digest, but we loss on a good team. Sometimes fans reactions are over. I never cursed the team or vent on any of the celtics players from this loss, as i know its going to happen anytime no matter how good and solid your team are.
See you all next game.
Blazers fan apology
It is disappointing to come here to see a different point of view and see such angry back and forth caused usually by Blazers fans. I’ve been part of the problem in the past (although I tried to be civil, my comments were unnecessary).
Perhaps in the future there can be a Blazer / Celtic Banter post put up specifically to house this junk into one post, and if you don’t want to participate you can stay out.
Anyway, sorry for the trolls and good luck.
Everybody was a baby once, Arthur. Oh, sure, maybe not today, or even yesterday. But once. Babies, chum: tiny, dimpled, fleshy mirrors of our us-ness, that we parents hurl into the future, like leathery footballs of hope. And you've got to get a good spiral on that baby, or evil will make an interception.
Celtics
the Celtics are on a little cold streak but do you see any team out there in the East that can match up with them game for game in a seven game series besides maybe King James and co.? I dont think so, give them a break they’ll rebound from this
Davoo
by BostonClover22 on Dec 31, 2008 11:50 AM EST reply actions
Magic, Cavs, Hawks, Pistons
Sorry but I think this team needs homecourt and isnt some untouchable team, any of those teams I could see beating us in a 7 game series
by TheAncientRivalry on Dec 31, 2008 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Watch out for the Hawks. They ain't askeered after last season... They're young and athletic and pretty deep...
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
dingdingding
When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
The enormous in-joke for us being that NO ONE -- and I do mean NO ONE -- in Blazerland other than Mike Rice calls Steve Blake "Blakey"...
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
Which makes the thrice-repeated Brand New Motto "When in doubt, pass it to Blakey!" drunk-uncle hilarious...
It’s a joke that probably doesn’t translate though…
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
My Blazer fan buddy and I
were rollin’ at that one.
-sw
Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Jan 1, 2009 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
great game
Just accept the fact that it was a great game to watch. You didn’t lose because of the 6-man play, you lost because you were outworked. Ask the players, the’ll tell you that to a tee. See you next year and good luck with your title run (I’m rooting for you in the East), go Blazers.
Oh, and yes. Mike Rice is a homer to the nth degree. You should try our feed for a Laker game one day.
agreed about rooting for the Cs in the East
as already ginormous as LeBron’s disgusting ego is, I couldn’t imagine it with a ring around his finger.
Yes, he is great. But the truly great ones also are a bit humble. He’s all LeBron all the time. Is there anything more disgusting than listening to him in a post-game interview? He never says “We did X”, or “the team did Y”, it’s always “I made a big shot”, “I was able to get that pass down there”, “I made a big stop on defense”.
Obnoxious as hell, can’t stand him the person. Love him the player.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
Trolling...
Trolling is not permitted on here. I’ve banned at least a half dozen Blazers fans, and I’ve got no problem banning more. You guys are free to share your opinion over here, but when it crosses the line into baiting / trolling / name-calling, you’ll be shown a quick exit.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
by Roy_Hobbs on Dec 31, 2008 4:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I agree
The way to deal with bad speech is to suppress it, squelch it and disallow it. Then punish the blasphemous offenders so they don’t poison the purity of our bodily fluids ever again!!!
whaa happen?
by Toby on Dec 31, 2008 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Roy, before i go out and paint the town
I just wanted to grant your sword +1 to interweb power.
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
Just one observation...
I understand your disappointment and frustration with the ridiculous 6-man call, but I think Celtics fans are jumping the gun a bit by clinging to that call as the reason the game turned out as it did.
You have a legendary team with great history and some of the most knowledgable fans in the league so you should know that the ref’s whistle blows both ways with this kind of thing… for example, Steve Blake was called for a shooting foul on Rondo in the third quarter when the Blazers were not in the penalty and Rondo was not in the act of shooting. This resulted in two FTs and a two point advantage for the Celtics.
That’s all I have to say. Good luck the rest of the season. Beat LA in the finals for us.
one point.....
it was only a one point advantage…had the refs caught it before portland scored boston would have still gotten their tech free throw…BUT the blazers would have gotten the ball back..and …..MAYBE scored the bucket they were awarded…so a 3 point advantage….so …..the ref’s gave the blazers a point….or two if boston misses the free throw….
the score at the end of the game was by a larger margin than 3 so……
Portland would have won anyway…..
OTHER THAN THE TICK TACK BONE HEAD MANUVER OF THE CENTURY FOR A REF CREW………………….
I thought boston entered this game defeated….I don’t know how the defending champs do that….but that’s what I thought….
Hope to see green on the other side of the bracket…..and I’d much rather boston take the cake than the heathen hoards to the south.
Good game aside from the …….yeah.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
This is an SB Nation fansite.
Part of it’s appeal is the ability to visit and post on other similar fansites. Anyone is welcome at Blazer’s Edge. All fans need to be respectful and not post with the intent of gloating and stirring up trouble. It is in bad taste to gloat over other fans after a loss.
That being said. The Celtics are an eltie team. It is a big deal to beat them. Take pride in that. I respect the turn around in Boston and am amazed actually. Simply put, a great team. I even like many of the players and the coach. I love KG’s game and intensity. I like most things about him. I don’t like his mouth though. Trash talking does not necessarily equate with skill and performance. Tim Duncan and Hakeen Olajuwan might counter that notion. So would Bill Russell. I suppose superstars get more leeway though.
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