KG and Baby Will Get Deep
Frank Dell'Apa follows up on the KG/Big Baby incident from last night's game.
Kevin Garnett had strong words for the Celtics' reserves after they squandered most of a 25-point advantage in the final quarter of a 93-78 victory over Portland last night.
Garnett was especially emphatic with second-year forward Glen Davis, grabbing him by the arm during a huddle before the starters returned to the game with 6:04 remaining. After the conflict, Davis sat on the bench with a towel over his head, television close-ups portraying him as near tears.
"I'll probably get real deep with him," Garnett said. "Try to understand what he's going through right now, research the problem. But Baby is frustrated a little bit with some of what we are doing. He just has to understand his role and not come outside of it."
Sounds like the right thing to do. Davis is obviously an emotional kid and maybe we are seeing just how emotional. We know he looks up to KG a great deal (remember his nickname "Ticket Stub"?) so I'm sure the criticism just hit him real hard in that moment. I'm pretty sure that these two guys will "hug it out" (Entourage) and be "better friends for it" (Swingers).
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I think it was more about being pulled.
And the KG tirade was the icing on the cake and then Baby lived up to his name. I’m interested to see how he plays tomorrow night…. if he does..
Tony Allen > Dearly departed JP
by Birdbrain on Dec 6, 2008 10:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It’s not always fun being “led.” But then, the object is winning, not “making nice.”
by no kidding on Dec 6, 2008 10:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Glen seems to be a good kid, and he will grow from this. We’ll see him play next game. I’m sure he’ll take his frustration out on some opponent. He has a very difficult job to do.
by johnnymost on Dec 6, 2008 10:34 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
BBD
The reserves were so out of synch in the last quarter. I don’t know if all the problem is BBD, but he is so fortunate to be on a team that will teach him to play like a pro. KG will become a mentor and get him to play his role. This will reinforce what Doc has been telling him. It’s stuff like this that makes this team so good and it is great for young players. The Blazer’s stunk up the place last nite and they have no KG to provide the leadership that is needed. What really surprised me about the Blazers was that when they were able to get into back into the game in he 4th they had a real chance to win. Doc’s starters went back in to get things under control, but McMillan didn’t put his best players back in. It’s bad when the players quit, but worse when the coach quits.
by TrueGreen on Dec 6, 2008 10:34 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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I just saw the ESPN video from another post. I saw the game on Comcast and didn’t see the whole incident between BBD and KG. I sure would like the hear the whole story. I don’t know if BBD was mad at KG or at himself. But things like this have a way of working out well on this team. Again, it’s great when things the coach tells a player is reinforced by another player of stature.
by TrueGreen on Dec 6, 2008 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont like how it’s being plastered on Sportscenter, realGM, and other outlets….Isnt this being blown out of proportion? embarrassing
by thecaptain34 on Dec 6, 2008 10:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
ESPN
ESPN has no scruples. They continually showed Big Baby crying on the bench. ESPN decided to make it a story.
by NoraG1 on Dec 6, 2008 10:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
these players are way overpaid,but…. they work hard. they are blessed with physical talents but at the level they play at, it’s the work they put in that makes them great. they also, to be good , have to learn to subjugate their egos to the team concept. bbd looks like a hard worker to me. whatever is going on with him and the team and kg is up to them to work it out and it’s none of our business. the crying is an indication of bbd being human and bot being afraid of showing his vulnerability. let ’em work it out.
by nazzbo on Dec 6, 2008 11:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
BBD is big boy , he wll handle the chewing out because he loves KG and knows he screwed up and Kg called him on it.
Team leaders have more influence than coaches on teams like this current edition of the Cs.
by CfanMissippi on Dec 6, 2008 11:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Confucius say The diamond cannot be polished without friction, nor the man perfected without trials.
by charlie chan on Dec 6, 2008 11:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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Bill Russell never yelled at a teammate…
by KungPoweChicken on Dec 6, 2008 11:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Tony Allen is the leader of our second unit. He was playing well until his ankle began bothering him and he had to sit out a couple of games. Without him, the rest of the guys need to step up. KG did the right thing. BBD gave less than 100% effort when he needed to step up his game and KG called him out for it. KG is BBD’s hero. He won’t let him down.
by celticben on Dec 6, 2008 11:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Russell most certainly did when he became a coach— but not in front of the cameras. Before that, Auerbach did plenty of yelling.
Where was Rivers in all of this? If, in fact, Garnett dressed BBD down in the huddle, Rivers should have dealt with the situation on the spot. If I had been coaching, I would have put BBD back in the game with 3 minutes or so remaining, and let him work out his frustrations on the court. The game was completely in hand at that point.
by Brickowski on Dec 6, 2008 11:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Garnett is paid to play basketball, not to develop BBD. Player development is Rivers’ job.
by Brickowski on Dec 6, 2008 11:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
No, Garnett is paid to compete for championships. And for the Celtics to win titles, they need Garnett to be a leader, and part of that is helping his teammates play as well as they can within the system.
I don’t have any problem with Garnett on this matter (or with Davis).
by no kidding on Dec 6, 2008 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brick
I wouldn’t go on ESPN’s interpretation of what happened. Let’s wait and see what Doc says about it.
Tony Allen > Dearly departed JP
by Birdbrain on Dec 6, 2008 11:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Now that’s the best comment I’ve heard yet. Last thing that will help anyone is for us to pick this to death. Or to bother listening to or watching someone else pick it to death. [Anyone who asks why I am even reading these comments . . . OK, you have a point]
These guys are part of our team and the most effective thing we can do is wish them the best.
by Thruthelookingglass on Dec 6, 2008 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think much of the reason Baby was so crestfallen by a verbal lashing is because there was some hero worship involved.
I suspect he learned that no matter how great another player may be, he’s still human, and that putting KG on a pedestal was not a good thing.
No disprespect to KG. He was doing what he does. Upbraiding a bench player that was not playing well.
I really think the larger lesson here for Baby was a life lesson. Not a basketball one. I suspect he’ll respect KG as a basketball player and a leader, but probably no longer as a hero. A good thing for Baby, in my view.
Who knows? There’s my outhouse psychologist point of view.
by Mencius on Dec 6, 2008 12:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
"You must be the New Student"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCyJRXvPNRo&feature=related
Is there crying in Basketball? 19-2 ….
Meniscus good post
Is it Soup Yet?
by Master Po on Dec 6, 2008 12:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
KG didn't even yell directly to Davis
He just pulled him to the huddle, he was talking to the all unit.
One of many revolutionary things Red brought to the game was encouraging his players to participate and talk in time-outs and give lectures to their teammates.
by cordobes on Dec 6, 2008 12:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
One good thing about this
No more Vujacic-cry baby jokes and snides, hopefully.
by cordobes on Dec 6, 2008 12:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
BBD had bad effort. All played out. One game and over
There was another play where Glen grabbed a rebound and held the ball a long time and did not look like he wanted to give it up. Took a bad shot at shot clock expiry. Leon gave him a “What the F is this” stare on way back down. That wasn’t Celtic basketball. The C’s had a beautiful play in 2nd half in which passes went from Rondo to Perk and Perk made beautiful lateral to KG for a slam. THAT was Celtics basketball. Glen forgot that. KG probably gave him a reminder. That’s why some players are called “veterans” and some are called “developing”. This is all part of this team’s beauty. If KG didn’t care and BBD didn’t care what KG said then you don’t have championship mojo. C’s do
by Wildblu1 on Dec 6, 2008 12:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Baby had a terrible game and was extremely frustrated. I don’t fault him for crying. There’s nothing wrong with being emotional – it demonstrates that playing with the Celtics is the most important thing in the world to him and his heart is in it 100%. He will bounce back from this and he will become a much better player throughout this season and the coming seasons. He is a very gifted athlete. I think his main focus besides getting totally in sync with the Celtics strategies is to get in better shape. His size is obviously very important for him to be a physical player, but he could stand to drop some fat and gain some muscle. That being said, I’m a huge fan of his and I know he will prove himself worthy of the Celtics green time and again.
Also, this video rules – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2xARh4_dfs&NR=1
by NoobSaibot1994 on Dec 6, 2008 2:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
"I'll probably get real deep with him," Garnett said.
KG sounds like Bogs Diamond from The Shawshank Redemption.
by tominhawaii on Dec 7, 2008 11:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs























