KG's "ACT" is getting old
Over-exaggerated chest pounding at the beginning of games, crawling like a dog, taunting much smaller players, calling out team mates the way he does, and all the antics on the court are getting old. Pull that dog-crawl garbage in the old ABA and you get your teeth kicked in. It just shows a lack of respect to all involved from the players and fans to the refs, to the game itself.
I was born and raised in Portland and bleed Blazer red , but have also been a fan of the Celtics all my life and wear celtic gear often. Larry Bird is the greatest player ever to suit up and I will argue that till I die. I seriously doubt though that if Larry was on this Celtic team he would tollerate KG's garbage. Hell, the Celtic fans in the Garden durring the 80's wouldn't tollerate it. It's embarrassing. The whole league is fed up wth it, and most fans are fed up with it too. Winning isn't an excuse to behave like a spoiled brat.
Maybe it's not his fault. Maybe he's a product of his enviroment, always having an assortment of silver spoons to choose from, I don't know. I can no longer defend his act so it's time for me to put away my non-Larry celtics gear until he's gone or grows up, whichever comes first. It's really to bad that winning has to come with such a cost.
Also, thank you for the ass-kicking last night, we needed to have things put into perspective around here (PDX). This rant has nothing to do with the Blazers loosing last night, loosing like that is part of the process and I can easily except that. What I don't like excepting is this: KG is a jackass and I can no longer defend his grade-school antics. All we have (sports-wise) in Portland is the NBA. We know it, we love it, we breathe it, we bleed it. If you walk around the city with any NBA apparel on you will not get from point A to point B without talking hoops with someone, usually a stranger. I've spent the last year+ defending KG while I'm wearing green. Not defending the C's (we respect a winner), but defending KG. I just can no longer, with good consious, defend a person like that.
I guess it's like having Raheed Wallace around, You don't really like the guy but because he's got your uniform on you cheer for and defend him, you just wish he would carry himself in a manner that reflects well on the city that he represents.
Be respectful and keep it clean. Thanks.
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Eh
I think you’ll probably find yourself in the minority on this one. I gotta be honest, I love all of his antics AND they seem to work. Even last night, Lamarcus Aldridge admitted that KG’s antics/trash talks go to him the first time they played and it really put him in a funk. Couple weeks ago Jose Calderon was taken out of his element.
As a Celtics fan I find it more amusing then anything else. I find myself laughing at some of the stuff. It also helps keep up the energy on the team as I’d imagine it’d be pretty tough to “take a night off” when one of your teammates looks like he’s going through an exorcism.
by StartOrien on
Dec 6, 2008 12:47 PM EST
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I have no problems with KG whatsoever but, if I was a fan of another team I might hate him. No so much because of the trash talking but, because if his skills. He provides needed energy when the C’s are desperately lacking it.
And he’s nothing like Rasheed Wallace.
Tony Allen > Dearly departed JP
by Birdbrain on
Dec 6, 2008 12:51 PM EST
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players aren’t disliked because of their skill level, they are disliked because of the way they carry themselves.
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by $chonzarelli on
Dec 6, 2008 4:21 PM EST
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I’m sensing a hint of sour grapes in the air….
Tony Allen > Dearly departed JP
by Birdbrain on
Dec 6, 2008 5:35 PM EST
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sour grapes over what?
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by $chonzarelli on
Dec 6, 2008 7:21 PM EST
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a loss was expected.
as I said in my post: thank you for the ass-kicking last night, we needed to have things put into perspective around here (PDX). This rant has nothing to do with the Blazers loosing last night, loosing like that is part of the process and I can easily except that.
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by $chonzarelli on
Dec 7, 2008 9:53 AM EST
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Getting old?
He’s been doing it since he joined the league – 14 years. That’s not old, I think. I mean, Oden is like 26 years older than KG’s antics and you call him a young promise.
Second, this is Bill Russell club. We’re in the business of winning, just got back to it recently; not in popularity contest. As long as KG’s antics fires up the Garden crowd, his teammates, and allows us to get under the opponents skins, I’m all for it.
Finally, the idea that Larry Legend was classy is laughable. Bird was one of the cheapest SOBs to play the game. He just backed it up. Just like KG.
by cordobes on
Dec 6, 2008 12:57 PM EST
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first part doesn’t make sense.
second, supporting his antics, regardless of what they are, because they fire up the crowd and teamates is irresponsible. Everyone crosses the line sometimes, it’s up to friends, family members, and yes fans, to let them now when they cross the line. To blindly support anyone else but yourself is just irresponsible.
Finally, I love the way Larry played and I wish our young Blazer team would get a bit more of an edge and take things more personally. Larry was an SOB, thats why I love his game. You would not however see Legend crawl on the floor like a dog, or continually pick on smaller players. I remeber him going after big men to set the stage durring games, Jabar, Rambis, Eaton, Hakeem etc. it was great. He didn’t get into the face’s of opposing teams gaurds to fire up his team. Why? because it’s weak. If KG was such a man then he would go after Joel or Greg but he didnt, he chose a gaurd, like usual.
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by $chonzarelli on
Dec 6, 2008 4:35 PM EST
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Irresponsible? Cross the line?
What exactly are you talking about? Cross the line? Who defines the line, you? Why so?
And honestly, for how long have you been following the NBA? Are you aware that wasn’t the first time KG did that?
by cordobes on
Dec 6, 2008 5:10 PM EST
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The "pick on smaller players" talk is what's starting to get old for me
This isn’t the junior high cafeteria. Kevin is not taking anyone’s lunch money or fighting people. It’s basketball. Causing problems for people in other jerseys – no matter their height – is KG’s job. He does it rather effectively.
And that’s not just directed at you, $chonzarelli – I’ve heard this in a few different places over the last couple of weeks, and I’m a bit frustrated by it. I don’t understand what the size relevance is in this particular instance.
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by Steve Weinman on
Dec 6, 2008 7:39 PM EST
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Pick on smaller players...
Like this diminutive point-guard…

…named David West.
by cordobes on
Dec 6, 2008 8:30 PM EST
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how did you do that, cordobes?
That’s awesome stuff.
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by Steve Weinman on
Dec 7, 2008 1:13 AM EST
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I didn't
I googled “Garnett West crawling”, I remembered KG doing that vs. Nawlins. The image is from Red’s Army, and I agree, it’s awesome. Kudos to the author.
by cordobes on
Dec 7, 2008 9:30 AM EST
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Ah, resourcefulness
Well played. Red’s Army is known for some good image work.
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by Steve Weinman on
Dec 7, 2008 10:48 AM EST
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Um, someone should just delete this pathetic Post, KG’s antics are only getting old because hes a winner now, noone seemes to care as much when he was the lovable loser in minnesotta…
Get over it pal because most celtics fans, including me, love it…he has a passion unlike any player you’ve ever seen or ever will see
by thecaptain34 on
Dec 6, 2008 1:24 PM EST
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Just delete the post because you don’t agree with it? Thats logical.
His antics aren’t getting old because he’s a winner, it’s because he’s getting more arrogant by the day, you’re just to in love with him to notice..
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by $chonzarelli on
Dec 6, 2008 4:42 PM EST
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Blazer fans would no doubt, love any of our players to have that kind of intensity.
Im with ya here
I heart taxes.
by everett on
Dec 6, 2008 7:08 PM EST
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Bird didnt call out teammates? Mchale didnt rough up smaller players? Those celtics didnt talk trash? its funny how in hindsight people turn negatives into positives but refuse to accept certain actions in the present
again, get over it, because quite frankly I have to hear about this after every game on the cetain other message boards from the opposing teams fans….its getting old
by thecaptain34 on
Dec 6, 2008 1:27 PM EST
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You mean the guy who would go out and Drink beer’s and get into bar fights? :D
Bird was real, he wasnt Magic or Jordan and he wasnt trying to be, he was regular Larry if he wasnt playing basketball he would have been in the stands of some basketball stadium cheering his favorit team, he just loved the game but loved winning even more.
Kevin is kinda the same, Kevin is Kevin while not as easy to relate to as Larry for the fans, he isnt trying to be Kobe or Lebron, he will do anything for the W’s and thats what i personly think is the bottom line of why Boston is so in love with the guy.
by Dybdal on
Dec 6, 2008 1:47 PM EST
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They definatley talked trash and I loved it, it’s a big part of why I love Legend’s game the way I do.
Talking trash and disrespecting your opponent are two very different things.
Other teams fans are complaining too? I’m sure it’s because we’re all jelous right? Or maybe it’s because he’s an ass. Just something to consider.
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by $chonzarelli on
Dec 6, 2008 4:45 PM EST
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I must be mistaken because I think you just claimed to be able to speak for all NBA players and fans. All the people I know (C’s fans and non-C’s fans alike) love KG. I guess that means everyone loves him. It doesn’t take long for people to jump all over a winner (see: New England Patriots).
by ReadyFor17 on
Dec 6, 2008 1:29 PM EST
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I speak for myself, nobody else. The point of the post was that I can longer defend the antics of a child. Up to this point I hid under the “Passion” umbrella while defending KG but it’s gotten to where I just can’t, with a good consious, defend him anymore. Passion makes people do rediculous things sometimes, see Ron Artest. He’s passionate right, would you love him the same???
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by $chonzarelli on
Dec 6, 2008 4:50 PM EST
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How many man-games has KG missed due to suspension during his time in the league?
How many run-ins with the law has he had?
The comparison to Ron-Ron doesn’t seem fair to me.
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by Steve Weinman on
Dec 6, 2008 7:41 PM EST
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I didn't mean to compare KG to Ron in that manner
I should have been more specific. KG and Ron are very different and I didn’t intend to directly compare them, they are clearly in two different catergories. My comment was directed at fans and the actions that they are willing to apologize for. Everywhere Artest has gone he has had apologists in his town using “passion” and “Mis-understood” as an excuse for his behaviour, and I know, fans are fans and thats how it is right? But is that exceptable to the rest of us? We still have some fans here in Portland that love Sheed and I never pass up an opportunity to call out fellow fans for supporting ( what’s in my opinion) garbage. I was just pointing out what type of actions get excussed by fans and was wondering if Ron would be loved in Boston.
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by $chonzarelli on
Dec 7, 2008 10:31 AM EST
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lol
Please tell me you are kidding!!!! KG is what he does! He is a monster and one of the biggest competitors I’ve ever seen. I am so glad he is a CELTIC.
Thank you KG, please never change!
by marcinjp9 on
Dec 6, 2008 1:47 PM EST
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It's allmost the night before Birdmas!
so in honor of the mention of Larry Bird, i think everyone should look over the greatest story ever told.
I bring you the tale of “The Night Before Birdmas”
by Dybdal on
Dec 6, 2008 2:03 PM EST
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wow great work
Tony Allen > Dearly departed JP
by Birdbrain on
Dec 6, 2008 3:49 PM EST
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THAT IS GREAT!!!!!
I love it.
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by $chonzarelli on
Dec 6, 2008 4:51 PM EST
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Bird
If you think Larry was classier (nicer to his opponents) than Kevin, try reading the book “Bird” by Lee Daniel Levine. Larry was a trash talking, in-your-face player who could back up his taunts! Larry also let his team mates know when they were coasting….
Everyone loved him (including me) because he was a winner and insisted that his team be a winner, too. He made his team mates better by insisting that they be better and was just as hard on himself. (Remember when he hit the floor face first, then returned to the game to lead the team…which had lost the spark….to victory?
KG is the same kind of player and has been proving it for years. Now he has a team that is capable of winning and he won’t allow them to lose sight of the goal.
by thirstyboots18 on
Dec 6, 2008 2:08 PM EST
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I’ve read it, along with others. Like I said I love Birds game to no end. Talking trash and disrespecting your opponent are two very different things though. Talking trash is a part of the game, showing up your opponent is not. When did the old C’s show up an opponent with KG like antics????
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by $chonzarelli on
Dec 6, 2008 4:54 PM EST
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LOL
Bird punched guys, just because.
Are you seriously saying that physically assaulting a fellow player is acceptable and part of the game but what KG did “crosses the line”?
by cordobes on
Dec 6, 2008 5:14 PM EST
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Looking forward to KG getting punched
He deserves that and more.
put a body on 'em
by RayBourque on
Dec 7, 2008 3:46 AM EST
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Yeah gotta love the attitude of oppsing fans. KG has not hit anyone but he deserves getting punched. Classy.
by NoraG1 on
Dec 7, 2008 2:49 PM EST
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Are you saying that the NBA is the same today as it was 25 years ago? I like to think that the leauge has grown up a bit. Bird wouldn’t be able to punch guys “just because” these days. It’s different now. Bird couldn’t do some of the stuff he did then in todays game, just like KG couldn’t pull some of his crap back then.
“Socially exceptable” is an evolving ideal, comparing what was exceptable a quarter of a century ago with what is acceptable now is very different. It reflects society and society is constantly changing.
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by $chonzarelli on
Dec 7, 2008 10:45 AM EST
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I thought him crawling on all fours after Bayless in the fourth quarter
was ridiculous.
honor rasheed wallace
by Cablinasian on
Dec 6, 2008 2:20 PM EST
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I hope KG finds a knee in his face the next time, and I hope he doesn’t get up. As a fan of basketball, he disgusts me.
by BeloHorizante on
Dec 6, 2008 3:05 PM EST
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as a fan of basketball, you’re a jealous of winning teams. I don’t blame you, little fella… I hate the Lakers and despise Kobe and anything he does. I’m sure a large part of that has something to do with that team being great.
by LarBrd33 on
Dec 6, 2008 3:25 PM EST
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Fans of Basketball aren't jealous of winning teams
they just don’t enjoy it when a player, regardless of their team or success, make a mockery of the game. It’s just embarrassing.
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by $chonzarelli on
Dec 6, 2008 4:58 PM EST
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i'm calling BS
I’m a Celtics fan – always have been. season ticket holder, in fact.
i am not jealous of anything. but kg crawling on all fours has got to stop. it’s lame and embarrassing. i agree that in the 80s he would not have gotten away with it (knee to the face, etc)
God bless and good night!
by BrickJames on
Dec 6, 2008 5:53 PM EST
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So KG who doesn’t harm anyone by getting on all four should get a knee in his face. That kinda talk disgusts me.
by NoraG1 on
Dec 6, 2008 5:08 PM EST
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You do understand...
…that KG has done that for multiple times, right?
Reading the Blazers blog, they seem to think that KG did that just because he was playing them. LOL
by cordobes on
Dec 6, 2008 3:27 PM EST
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Poor representation of the Blazers Blog, Read, don't skim.
We know he’s done it multiple times thats what makes it even worse. He’s had a chance to reflect on his jack-assery, and has decided that it is acceptable behaviour and repeated it. Embarrasing for him and even more embarrassing for those who support it.
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by $chonzarelli on
Dec 6, 2008 5:01 PM EST
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Why was it ridiculous?
He didn’t get a technical for it. Even the league has said they understand the emotions of Garnett, and take into consideration that they changed the rule as far as players being able to demonstrate more emotion this year. And to the author of this post- So what if he talks trash? 90% of the league is doing it ALL the time.
It’s because the Celtics had a target on their back from day 1 before LAST season even started. They are under a magnifying glass even more so this year because of the championship. When Garnett talks trash I constantly see these other opponents get right into it with him. If KG was the only one in the league talking trash then he’d have more technical fouls than Perk right now. What you see out of KG is pure emotion, pure wanting to succeed, and pure trash talking. It’s a combination of all three that you see out there on the court. If this team was 2-19 right now not one person would care that KG talks smack.
Teams are gunning for them night in and night out. It doesn’t matter if it’s a top tier team or the worst team in the league because every one wants to take the Celtics down. They have bred a hatred form every team and I love it. They know they are good and they are going to tell you. They will tell opponents that they can’t wait to put their ring on after the game is over while they are beating them by 18 with 2 minutes left in the game. This team has many pieces to it but no one can tell me that KG is not the heart and soul of this team every night. When KG stops talking trash and lowers his emotions to appease people who would be doing the same thing if they were in the same position, then the Celtics will be in trouble. When KG stops being KG they will self-destruct. And one more thing- Bird was as bad if not worse than KG in the trash talking department. He just did it in a different way.
by CELTSFANATIC on
Dec 6, 2008 3:29 PM EST
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I understand emotion.
I understand trash-talking. It’s part of the game.
But the “on-all-fours” act was disrespecting his opponent. I respected KG, despite the trash-talking and emotion he always displayed in Minnesota. It’s the challenging rookies and smaller players that bugs me.
I mean… if he is so tough, he should try going after Przybilla or something. Not a twenty year old rookie.
honor rasheed wallace
by Cablinasian on
Dec 6, 2008 3:36 PM EST
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How many times have you watched KG
when he was in Minny? Or since he joined Boston?
I want an honest answer.
by cordobes on
Dec 6, 2008 5:21 PM EST
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I've watched Garnett much more since he joined Boston, simply because the Twolves sucked to watch.
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by Cablinasian on
Dec 6, 2008 8:03 PM EST
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Sucked?
They were one of the best teams in the NBA and title contenders for years. The year they made the WCF and Cassell got injured they were one of the most enjoyable teams to watch in the NBA. Also in those KG/SM years.
If they sucked to watch, what’s your opinion of the current Blazers team?
by cordobes on
Dec 6, 2008 8:20 PM EST
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I couldn't stand watching Sprewell.
Ugh. Still can’t stand that guy. I watched them more in the 2000-2001 time period… maybe memory makes things different, Garnett just didn’t seem the same guy he is now.
Probably just selective memory.
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by Cablinasian on
Dec 6, 2008 9:29 PM EST
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"I couldn't stand watching Sprewell"
Hard to blame you for that. There’s always something stomach-turning about watching a player who once wrapped his hands around his coach’s neck, ya know?
Man, his time in New York (my homeland) sure was a circus. Good times.
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by Steve Weinman on
Dec 7, 2008 1:15 AM EST
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honor rasheed walace ???...
Congrats Rasheed you might be the worst person on the face of the Earth.
Tony Allen > Dearly departed JP
by Birdbrain on
Dec 6, 2008 3:51 PM EST
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not true
rasheed is one of the most intelligent and insightful players in the NBA. sorry if you’re incapable of realizing that =/
God bless and good night!
by BrickJames on
Dec 6, 2008 5:55 PM EST
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Yep I’m incapable of realizing it but, you have it all figured out. Let’s just agree to disagree.
Tony Allen > Dearly departed JP
by Birdbrain on
Dec 6, 2008 6:37 PM EST
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Ok, I'll explain.
The Blazers are honoring two of the three players in franchise history to have worn no. 30 this month. The third was Rasheed. My “honor rasheed wallace” is a parody of the “honor terry porter” signature Ben of Blazersedge had for months.
It’s a joke.
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by Cablinasian on
Dec 6, 2008 8:03 PM EST
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You know what's a joke?
Retiring Bobby Gross’ number and not Rasheed’s.
Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.
"I want to put points on your face."
-Rudy to Pau Gasol
NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"
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Dec 6, 2008 9:47 PM EST
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Yeah they should retire Sheed's number
He was part of the biggest collapse in 2000 WCF what else did he do in Portland besides get a bunch of techs?
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by Birdbrain on
Dec 7, 2008 10:03 AM EST
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Know what’s funny? Before last season everyone was on the KG wagon… all throughout the NBA. The consensus was, “Nobody deserves it more than KG. He wants it more than anyone… a true competitor who goes against the grain of common NBA superstars and legitimately cares. I want to see KG win a ring”… and now the idea seems to be building that KG is, “a big mouth showboat… rubs it in, acts like a clown”. What changed?
I’ll tell you what changed. We won the 2008 Title and all these other team fans have become a bunch of jealous crybaby whiners. Wha, wha you sad sacks. It’s typical. People hate winners. KG’s a winner now so you little babies are crawling out of the woodwork and sniffling at his “antics”.
Know what DOESN’T Get old? This team’s constant focus, commitment to excellence and our 19-2 record.
If this crybaby can’t handle it… go crawl in a corner with the ridiculous wha-wha Toronto Raptor fans and drown in your own tears.
by LarBrd33 on
Dec 6, 2008 3:06 PM EST
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Hell yeah
I gave you a rec. After the Blazers lost to the Celtics I cried my eyes out and then got arrested for domestic violence.
Everyone was on KG’s wagon because everyone thought he was a swell guy. Then he went from a team that was on national TV once or twice a year, to a team that is always on TV and ESPN. Now that the sample size is bigger, more people are noticing his stupid antics.
I ain’t crying about it and can care less that he does it. I’m not sure what is more stupid, KG thinking that acting like a dog is intimidating or fans thinking the behavior is acceptable.
For the record, I was happy KG was traded to Boston, I was happy he won a championship. and I started hating him about half way through last season.
by tominhawaii on
Dec 7, 2008 10:49 AM EST
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Didn’t these same baby Portland fans come crying last year that KG “intimidated” their younger players? Give me a break. I love the Blazers and they are the only team I consistently watch other than the Celtics (I live in Seattle). But the transparent jealousy couldn’t be more obvious. Someday Portland will be a legit contender… you have plenty of time. But don’t pee your panties over the expressive dominance of a team that has your number for now. Most of KG’s antics are to fire himself up and to keep his team focused as well. If you saw it from the perspective of winning-tinted glasses, you’d get it.
by LarBrd33 on
Dec 6, 2008 3:11 PM EST
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Hey, we got beat by a better team last night.
I’m just sick of Garnett trying to act tough by picking on the smallest players on the court.
He’s a great player. I’m tired of him being disrespectful to the game.
honor rasheed wallace
by Cablinasian on
Dec 6, 2008 3:37 PM EST
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Throws opposing teams out of their element. It rattles emotionally weak squads and sends their fans into a hissy fit. Thus… I’m all for KG continuing to do what has lead us to a the 2008 Championship and the best record thus far.
by LarBrd33 on
Dec 6, 2008 3:57 PM EST
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So win at any cost huh?
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by $chonzarelli on
Dec 6, 2008 5:05 PM EST
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Isn’t that the point in sports? Winning? Or losing and being liked? Which KG was until last year by most fans.
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Dec 6, 2008 5:14 PM EST
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Winning at any cost isn't the point to everyone.
Whether you win or loose you set an example for the kids who look up to athletes that are competing. How a player handles himself does matter.
See the Spurs. Class. Champions. jackasses need not apply.
"Rudy Fernández ha confirmado hoy que la próxima temporada jugará en el Portland Trail Blazers"
by $chonzarelli on
Dec 7, 2008 10:59 AM EST
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2 words. Bruce Bowen. Not all Spurs are classy. Every team that wins has to have some toughness.
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Dec 7, 2008 2:47 PM EST
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have you not heard of Red Auerbach and some of his legends, young fella? Your damn right… win at any cost.
If you can’t handle it as an opposing fan… take off that jersey and go buy yourself some Boston Celtic green. We take winning seriously here.
by LarBrd33 on
Dec 6, 2008 6:24 PM EST
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Putting pressure on the ballhandler is disrespectful to the game? you’re foolish
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Dec 6, 2008 4:46 PM EST
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Thats what that was?? Putting pressure on the ball handler???
whatever helps you sleep at night I suppose.
"Rudy Fernández ha confirmado hoy que la próxima temporada jugará en el Portland Trail Blazers"
by $chonzarelli on
Dec 6, 2008 5:06 PM EST
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BAD FORM BLAZER FANS!!!
WE HAVE OUR OWN BOARD TO CRY ABOUT THIS ON…..
BE RESPECTFUL TO THE OWNERS OF THE HOUSE OR DON’T COME OVER TO PLAY!!!!
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on
Dec 6, 2008 3:55 PM EST
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As I mentioned in my post, which you obviously didn’t read before you commented, I AM A CELTIC FAN.
"Rudy Fernández ha confirmado hoy que la próxima temporada jugará en el Portland Trail Blazers"
by $chonzarelli on
Dec 6, 2008 5:08 PM EST
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Born and raised in Portland, been here since 76'
Born a Blazer fan durring the season of the Championship. Also a Celtic fan. Although I was young, I gained an immediate appreciation for Bird and what he was able to accomplish by influencing his teamates. How could any kid growing up with the NBA in the 80’s not get caught up in BIRD vs.. Magic. Maybe I just wanted to see the *akers loose and rooted for the most likely team to do it, who knows, I was a kid. I’ve read many books since and watched as much on espn classic as I can, I just love watching that Boston team play, poetry in motion. Also huge respect for Red and what he accomplished, a feat that will never be done again. I have followed the C’s as long as I’ve followed the Blazers, just not nearly as closely though. Availability to media being the main reason. Is it OK to follow two teams on opposite sides of the league?
"Rudy Fernández ha confirmado hoy que la próxima temporada jugará en el Portland Trail Blazers"
by $chonzarelli on
Dec 7, 2008 11:13 AM EST
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No, you're not
The way you wrote about Bird was just too off. You probably started following the NBA when Oden was drafted, that’s my guess.
I mean, it took you 14 freaking years to get enough of KG antics? Really? When they are irresponsible and such a disgrace to the game? You have been irresponsible for 14 years?
by cordobes on
Dec 6, 2008 5:20 PM EST
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The way I wrote about bird was off??
Please explain.
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by $chonzarelli on
Dec 7, 2008 11:16 AM EST
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MORE CAPITAL LETTERS PLEASE
Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.
"I want to put points on your face."
-Rudy to Pau Gasol
NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"
by rockingharder on
Dec 6, 2008 9:48 PM EST
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How about IF.....
We traded KG to you (Blazers)?
What you gonna do?
Accept him or Snob him?
I dont even wanted to think (because blazers and rest of the Team are drooling)!!
Pathetic Loosers…
by spoiled on
Dec 6, 2008 3:59 PM EST
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Play him....
with a muzzel, cuz there are kids in the audience!!! ;)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on
Dec 6, 2008 4:06 PM EST
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Wouldn't want him, can prove it
We traded (and gave and some just threw) away a truck load of excellent ball players in the last couple years in order to have superior and respectful attitudes. We were sick of looking like idiots because of poor sportsmanship during the jailblazer years, even though we were going to the Finals.
Good for you, Boston, you have a winning team. We look forward to making a better show of ourselves against you on the 30th.
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by dvcastle on
Dec 6, 2008 7:29 PM EST
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Being nice at all costs in sports doesn’t always win either. I think the Blazers need to toughen up a little.
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Dec 6, 2008 7:40 PM EST
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Also, KG is not like Randolph etc. KG does not get into troble off the court and his ‘acting out’ actually helps his team. Blazers for a few years before now were negative on and off the court and di not help their team at all.
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Dec 6, 2008 7:43 PM EST
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dvcastle, I agree very much with the character cleansing the Blazers have undergone...
but – while I’m admittedly an observer from afar when it comes to the guys from those teams – isn’t comparing KG to some of the Jail Blazer guys more than a bit unfair? I’m not necessarily talking about Wallace here, who while he certainly has his share of temper problems at times, is known as a decent guy outside the lines. But wasn’t the problem the folks like Ruben Patterson, Bonzi Wells, Damon Stoudamire and others who were obliterating the team’s image off the floor as well? Their conduct and KG’s wouldn’t merit comparison in my book, but feel free to fill me in if I’m missing something on this part of it.
-sw
Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on
Dec 6, 2008 7:48 PM EST
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Yeah, as far as I know KG is only a bit crazy ON the court ;-)
And while I’m not aware of any legal offenses by Wallace, he wasn’t always like you would hope a player acts off the court. We are glad that era is over and want to keep it over. Most people wouldn’t want to get any of those guys back – or any other knucklehead for that matter. You have read what Ben said about Brandon Roy spending his free weekend evening at an AAU game when he could have been anywhere else. You can contrast that to the SI article about the Blazers of 2001, pretty much 7 years ago… http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1024614/1/index.htm
On the morning of Dec. 7 the Portland Trail Blazers gathered outside their arena to serve breakfast and distribute Christmas trees to families in need. It was clear that Rasheed Wallace would rather have been anywhere else. The team’s best player and co-captain, Wallace spent most of the 90-minute session speaking on a cellular phone, the hands-free device dangling from his right ear, and, like most of his teammates, he checked his pager incessantly. When a Blazers employee suggested that Wallace wear a Santa Claus hat, he declined, saying cryptically, "I’m a supervisor." At one point a teenager beseeched the 6’11" Wallace for an autograph. "You ain’t got a Sharpie?" Wallace responded. As the kid retreated to find Wallace’s preferred writing implement, the player cursed at no one in particular and yawned uninhibitedly.
Fourth-year swingman Bonzi Wells is an emerging star, but he hasn’t captured the public’s imagination. Not that he minds. "We’re not really going to worry about what the hell [the fans] think about us," Wells says. "They really don’t matter to us. They can boo us every day, but they’re still going to ask for our autographs if they see us on the street. That’s why they’re fans and we’re NBA players."
B-Rex bandwagon begins
by Norsktroll on
Dec 6, 2008 8:29 PM EST
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Thanks for droping the knowledge, Norkstroll
I knew about the incident Bust a Bucket mentions below, but that was it – and a lot of what I’ve heard and read from various source over the last few seasons seemed to indicate that Wallace’s general demeanor off the court is very different from on it, that not only do his teammates love him but that he’s a decent, caring all-around guy. That isn’t to say that the charity story above completely discounts all of that, but it is a bit disheartening. For some reason, I want to believe ‘Sheed is the type of good guy I’ve heard he is – mostly because it makes sense to want folks to be good guys and partly because I think that makes his story as one of the characters in this league all the more interesting.
Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on
Dec 7, 2008 1:20 AM EST
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It's certainly not apples to apples,
But the convincing yourself that a players actions are OK is a relative issue here. As I wrote below if Scalabrine tried that junk I think you’d be wishing him off the team in a heartbeat. The only difference is that KG can play.
But Portland needs to be able to put him in his place if the referees can’t.
Everybody was a baby once, Arthur. Oh, sure, maybe not today, or even yesterday. But once. Babies, chum: tiny, dimpled, fleshy mirrors of our us-ness, that we parents hurl into the future, like leathery footballs of hope. And you've got to get a good spiral on that baby, or evil will make an interception.
by shenanigans on
Dec 6, 2008 8:31 PM EST
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If people want to make comparison they should make one that is relevant. KG is not anything like the past ‘jailblazers’
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Dec 6, 2008 8:45 PM EST
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KG backs up his talk with his play that is why yes, most would be upset if Scal said anything because he can’t back it up.
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Dec 6, 2008 8:47 PM EST
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He backs up barking like a dog with his play?
Really???
How’s that work?
Seems to me you just said that a guy can be a total jerk on the court as long as he can play, and no fans should be disappointed by that. If I’m missing something then let me know.
To be fair, I would LOVE to have KG on our team, but I would hope that I would still be disappointed when he barks like a dog.
Everybody was a baby once, Arthur. Oh, sure, maybe not today, or even yesterday. But once. Babies, chum: tiny, dimpled, fleshy mirrors of our us-ness, that we parents hurl into the future, like leathery footballs of hope. And you've got to get a good spiral on that baby, or evil will make an interception.
by shenanigans on
Dec 6, 2008 8:51 PM EST
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Barking like a dog?
Geez.. that’s supposed to imitate a spider, not a dog.
Geez.. that’s supposed to imitate a spider, not a dog.And when people say “KG barked at whoever”, they’re using the word figuratively. It’s not like he actually barked.
by cordobes on
Dec 6, 2008 8:56 PM EST
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When did KG bark like a dog?
Whatever KG does works. If other teams don’t like it then they should not let it get the best of them and stand up to it.
by NoraG1 on
Dec 6, 2008 9:07 PM EST
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Perhaps this was my mistake,
Prior to today (I watched the game but didn’t see this play and the ESPN replay I saw on youtube was inconclusive) I had never seen KG get down on all fours, but I was led to believe he barked like a dog when down on all fours in the game. I still believe being down on all fours is stupid and childish, but not near as bad as barking at your opponent.
And again, it’s up to Portland to put him in his place. Can’t emphasize that enough.
Everybody was a baby once, Arthur. Oh, sure, maybe not today, or even yesterday. But once. Babies, chum: tiny, dimpled, fleshy mirrors of our us-ness, that we parents hurl into the future, like leathery footballs of hope. And you've got to get a good spiral on that baby, or evil will make an interception.
by shenanigans on
Dec 6, 2008 9:13 PM EST
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What's Portland gonna do?
Other teams have done absolutely nothing. And that’s the right approach, you do nothing and try to score. If things get bad, you call a time-out to take out a little air of the home crowd. It’s basketball, players do things to distract the opponents and motivate their supporters and teammates all the time.
by cordobes on
Dec 6, 2008 9:40 PM EST
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Win
and get just as physical with him as he is with us.
NOT, by getting on all fours in front of him.
Everybody was a baby once, Arthur. Oh, sure, maybe not today, or even yesterday. But once. Babies, chum: tiny, dimpled, fleshy mirrors of our us-ness, that we parents hurl into the future, like leathery footballs of hope. And you've got to get a good spiral on that baby, or evil will make an interception.
by shenanigans on
Dec 6, 2008 9:43 PM EST
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Comparing KG to the JailBlazers...
…is ridiculous.
by cordobes on
Dec 6, 2008 8:14 PM EST
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Still wouldn't want him ...
… because his behavior is boorish, immature and inconsistent with the tone we have heavily invested in with our team. We didn’t want Steve Francis and sent him packing without letting him visit us in town, we sent Darius Miles packing while you were trying to put him on your team and we cut free a large number of very good basketball players because there is more to having a sports team represent your town than raw talent. Right now you are winning and can score more points than us Good for you. We place our priorities in other things.
It is our hope that we can blend quality sportsmanship with excellent basketball skills. Wish us well.
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by dvcastle on
Dec 6, 2008 10:50 PM EST
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As I said further down in this tread. Let me know when they win a championship acting like complete gentlemen. If you place you priorities on other then winning a championship, have fun with that.
by NoraG1 on
Dec 6, 2008 11:12 PM EST
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Oh gosh, that's so croony
How the heck is trash talking synonymous with unsportmanship just like that?
That would be like me accusing Brandon Roy of unsportsmanship because he’s a trashtalker. Or Oden for slapping the board after a dunk.
Players have been doing those things since ever. Calling it un-sportmanship is pretty bizarre.
That “hoolier than thou” attitude is pretty mind-blogging coming from fans of a team where Rudy Fernandez, btw.
by cordobes on
Dec 7, 2008 9:36 AM EST
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meh
it seems now that KG is a part of a chamionship team that everyone and their mother has a problem with his ‘antics’. if he was on any other team, he would be praised for his tenacity and competitiveness, but hes wearing celtic green, so hes a trash-talking jerk who doesnt respect the game. i always thought he was a beast on the t-wolves (and a little crazy b/c of those ’antics’). he is a true competitor and i wouldnt have him any other way. the calderon incident was great, apparently nobody in euroball ever pressed him as he skipped the ball up the floor. THEY ARE PROFESSIONALS!!!!
by eat ur wheaties on
Dec 6, 2008 4:01 PM EST
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He was doing the same things at Target Center as a Timberwolf. What’s changed? His address and uni, but the intensity has always been there, from day one. Other teams’ fans might hate him, but you’guys would be lying to yourselves if you wouldn’t want him on your team, and if he were, you’d be praising the same antics you are now criticizing. Go complain on your Blazer blog.
by madcap718704 on
Dec 6, 2008 4:39 PM EST
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i dunno bout you guys, but I still have the game saved on my DVR. I’m going to go watch it… so I can savor the victory again while thinking of the sulking Blazer fans throwing a tantrum in the midst of their defeat. Oh sweet, sweet victory.
by LarBrd33 on
Dec 6, 2008 6:26 PM EST
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FYI… I love the Blazer team… but these Blazer fans are the same sniveling brats who like to gloat on their own messageboard about how they “shafted” Danny Ainge out of Brandon Roy and “robbed them” of Greg Oden… and speculated that Ainge has some ulterior motive to “get payback” when he gave Darius Miles a quick look.
Spin it out how you want, you little Blazer punks. For the time being we got your number. Come back when the lads grow up and the fans can handle some intense competition.
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Dec 6, 2008 6:30 PM EST
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Greg Oden was a lucky break for Portland...
…. and even more so for Boston as it turned out.
How exactly is it wrong to say Kevin Pritchard stole Brandon Roy?
Boston is a vastly superior team to Portland right now— we saw it again the other day. I fail to see how this is relevant to the question on the table, namely “Is Kevin Garnett a jerk.”
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on
Dec 7, 2008 7:51 PM EST
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Look,
I’ve been almost where you are at. The Blazers had Sheed and Gary Trent and JR Rider and were a hairs breath away from the finals twice. I really tried to convince myself that all those guys were OK, but I was being intellectually dishonest. If you all really feel that KG’s act is totally cool, put yourself in another teams shoes and see if that crap would fly. Or better yet imagine Scalabrine doing it and tell me if you would think it is OK then.
If KG was doing it in Minnesota and nobody saw it, that doesn’t mean he wasn’t a tool. It just means that nobody saw it.
Great player + tool ≠ good for the league
I know it can be hard to admit it when your team is winning (I’ve been there) but it’s true.
Having said that, the only way to stop KG’s act is to have someone face him down and nobody on our team did that.
Everybody was a baby once, Arthur. Oh, sure, maybe not today, or even yesterday. But once. Babies, chum: tiny, dimpled, fleshy mirrors of our us-ness, that we parents hurl into the future, like leathery footballs of hope. And you've got to get a good spiral on that baby, or evil will make an interception.
by shenanigans on
Dec 6, 2008 6:45 PM EST
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to clarify
Those dudes off the court were worse than KG, but the on court rapport of those guys isn’t really worse than KG.
Barking at your opponent on all fours should be a technical. Even if the Blazers do it.
Everybody was a baby once, Arthur. Oh, sure, maybe not today, or even yesterday. But once. Babies, chum: tiny, dimpled, fleshy mirrors of our us-ness, that we parents hurl into the future, like leathery footballs of hope. And you've got to get a good spiral on that baby, or evil will make an interception.
by shenanigans on
Dec 6, 2008 6:48 PM EST
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Oh,
and sorry for hijacking your fine blog (not sarcasm), but there are a lot of us on SBNation and sometimes we just….can’t…..help…..ourselves.
Everybody was a baby once, Arthur. Oh, sure, maybe not today, or even yesterday. But once. Babies, chum: tiny, dimpled, fleshy mirrors of our us-ness, that we parents hurl into the future, like leathery footballs of hope. And you've got to get a good spiral on that baby, or evil will make an interception.
by shenanigans on
Dec 6, 2008 7:46 PM EST
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KG was doing it in Sota..
….they were title contenders, and I never had a problem with it. And I think that the large majority of the NBA fans don’t; except maybe those we don’t even know that at some point in the last decade the Wolves were one of the most popular, hyped and watched teams in the league.
The Jailblazers were a completely different thing. Comparing KG to JR Rider is bizarre.
by cordobes on
Dec 6, 2008 8:25 PM EST
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The comparison was only to illustrate
how easy it is to convince yourself (myself, in the last instance) that ill behavior is OK if your team is winning. I’ve done it with the Blazers and the Ducks, but always in the back of my mind I knew that the actions were disrespectful and bad for the game. I feel that if you are unwilling to acknowledge the tool-ness of KG’s actions, you are not being wholly honest with yourself.
But it is still Portland’s job to stick it in KG’s jock.
Everybody was a baby once, Arthur. Oh, sure, maybe not today, or even yesterday. But once. Babies, chum: tiny, dimpled, fleshy mirrors of our us-ness, that we parents hurl into the future, like leathery footballs of hope. And you've got to get a good spiral on that baby, or evil will make an interception.
by shenanigans on
Dec 6, 2008 8:36 PM EST
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What KG does is pump up his team amd take a team out of their game. Quite effective if you ask me. Until some of these teams fight through it, KG will keep doing it. It seems to work.
by NoraG1 on
Dec 6, 2008 8:50 PM EST
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But you are wrong...
… I never had a problem with KG when he played for an opponent. And he played most of his career for an opponent. You are aware that he only arrived to Boston last season, right? I never saw KG as a tool, quite the contrary. A gifted energizer and trash-talker, that’s for sure. But there’s a huge difference.
KG has always been one of the most popular and beloved players in the NBA. The Jailblazers were hate by everybody. Can you see the difference?
by cordobes on
Dec 6, 2008 8:54 PM EST
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Then for you,
I am wrong. I believe for others my point may ring true. But maybe not.
KG has always been one of the most popular and beloved players in the NBA. The Jailblazers were hate by everybody. Can you see the difference?
Kobe is one of the most popular and beloved players in the NBA, and an all round jerk. Nobody seemed to have problems with Sheed in 04, but he was still the same dude he was in 03. Bonzi almost got re-signed in Sacramento and Houston. They may have been hated by everybody, but it all was forgotten when they helped their teams win. This is the stuff I am referring to. The team was hated all round, but not when they helped others win. Just because you’re beloved, doesn’t mean you’re not a short trip from jerk.
KG being physical= Tough
KG jibber jabbering (I love typing that)= Tough
KG dropping on all fours= Stupid and Childish
Portlands responsibility in this= Bust him in the mouth (metaphorically or literally, depending on the situation) and get him frustrated.
It’s OK to be disappointed in a players action even as you love them on your team.
Everybody was a baby once, Arthur. Oh, sure, maybe not today, or even yesterday. But once. Babies, chum: tiny, dimpled, fleshy mirrors of our us-ness, that we parents hurl into the future, like leathery footballs of hope. And you've got to get a good spiral on that baby, or evil will make an interception.
by shenanigans on
Dec 6, 2008 9:40 PM EST
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Those guys are professional basketball players...
…. you take them too seriously.
Yeps, it’s mostly about perception. But KG did nothing to change the perception people have of him (except to those who haven’t been paying a lot of attention to the league). He was doing the same stuff when he was losing, and nobody had a problem with it. He’s doing it when he’s winning and nobody has a problem with it, except a few Blazers fans.
by cordobes on
Dec 6, 2008 9:47 PM EST
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Gawd I hate when I do this
I go to another teams blog to read a few comments and then BLAM!!!
I’m sucked into a conversation that I had no intention of getting into. I really believe this time I am going to leave your blog until I can talk about your team more intelligently and my team a lot less.
I’d say good luck the rest of the season, but you lot have 17 rings to our 1, and I can’t even remember our 1.
Just kidding, good luck the rest of the season, especially if you face the Fakers in the Finals.
Everybody was a baby once, Arthur. Oh, sure, maybe not today, or even yesterday. But once. Babies, chum: tiny, dimpled, fleshy mirrors of our us-ness, that we parents hurl into the future, like leathery footballs of hope. And you've got to get a good spiral on that baby, or evil will make an interception.
by shenanigans on
Dec 6, 2008 9:55 PM EST
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If it stupid and childish then other teams should laugh and ignore it.
by NoraG1 on
Dec 6, 2008 10:02 PM EST
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What's your opinion on guys like Laimbeer and Larry Bird?
I’m just curious.
by cordobes on
Dec 6, 2008 8:57 PM EST
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Hated them both
It’s been a lot of years since I’ve seen any of them play, but I hated them both (see because the Blazers spent a lot of time not winning championships to both of them). My understanding of basketball wasn’t the same when I was 15 as it is now and I don’t watch a lot of basketball reruns. I probably should.
Everybody was a baby once, Arthur. Oh, sure, maybe not today, or even yesterday. But once. Babies, chum: tiny, dimpled, fleshy mirrors of our us-ness, that we parents hurl into the future, like leathery footballs of hope. And you've got to get a good spiral on that baby, or evil will make an interception.
by shenanigans on
Dec 6, 2008 9:19 PM EST
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Laimbeer = cheap shot artist
Bird = outstanding player who was a bit outspoken on the subject of his own ability.
Just like Magic and Jordan.
KG’s antics are closer to Laimbeer’s than Bird’s, Magic’s, or Jordan’s. – Elgin
He who life can no longer surprise raises his eyes, beholds a planet unknown. - Peter Gabriel
by 22baylor on
Dec 7, 2008 5:55 AM EST
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Don't agree
Laimbeer, as much as I used to hate him more than anyone as I was growing up, was, now that I look back and re-watch games from the 80’s, an outstanding player, though as nails, and a key piece in Detroit titles and the true leader of that team. Cheap and many times guilty of unnecessary roughness? Sure, but not more or less than any of those other guys.
by cordobes on
Dec 7, 2008 9:28 AM EST
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So certain things are ok and others are not. Whatever.
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Dec 7, 2008 2:45 PM EST
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Maybe one of your authors could write a piece about why KG is like he is (here or on Blazers Edge)
A lot of people don’t like him, not because they think he isn’t a great player but because of his antics. I’m not one of them. I have read quite a lot about him and have some ideas, but since I don’t know him personally or have watched him long enough in person I couldn’t write a “backstory” on him.
E.g. was he always that emotional, or has it developed over time. Did he develop new ticks – even after fulfilling his dream of a championship. Has his upbringing something to do with it. His time in high school. The enormous expectations placed on him since he first came to Minny. And so on.
If someone here feels he knows enough about him, I would love to read that story. Maybe we should ask the guys at Canis Hoopus, too.
B-Rex bandwagon begins
by Norsktroll on
Dec 6, 2008 6:49 PM EST
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Why do you think KG did it? There would be a lot less whining if your team ignored it or stood up to it. It works so why would KG stop and why should he because he is hurting fans of oppsing teams feelings? Being hated because you win, I think KG will take that over being a lovable loser. Celtics are 19-2 on a 11 game winning streak. Winning isn’t always about being ‘nice’ Blazers need to toughen up along with a few other teams such as the Raptors.
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Dec 6, 2008 6:52 PM EST
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> There would be a lot less whining if your team ignored it or stood up to it
Undoubtedly true.
Doesn’t make it classy. – Elgin
He who life can no longer surprise raises his eyes, beholds a planet unknown. - Peter Gabriel
by 22baylor on
Dec 7, 2008 5:56 AM EST
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But does it work. Yes.
Is this a gentlemens game? No
You have to be tough to play in the NBA.
Players are trying to win games not be the classiest.
by NoraG1 on
Dec 7, 2008 2:44 PM EST
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Enough...
Enough with the insults and name-calling, on both sides.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
by Roy_Hobbs on
Dec 6, 2008 7:06 PM EST
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Heck yeah
You dang common sense respectable blogger.
by tominhawaii on
Dec 7, 2008 10:54 AM EST
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he is like Rasheed
I used to love Rasheed, he was leading us to wins and he wasn’t taking crap along the way. Looking back, he was actually an idiot, the wins weren’t worth the loss of respect and I’m sad I supported him so heavily.
Rasheed and KG are very similar, in that regard. They both have titles to ‘justify’ their lack of respect for the game, so they will never change. Someday, you’ll look back and relize he’s a fool. Until then, enjoy your title runs, you have one unbelievable team.
by ItsMrHarris2u on
Dec 6, 2008 9:02 PM EST
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A fool with a ring. I don’t think he will ever feel like a fool and I still don’t think he is disrespecting the game. I guess the legends of the game were also disrespectful then too because they talked trash etc.?
by NoraG1 on
Dec 6, 2008 9:11 PM EST
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If the Blazers win a championship acting like complete gentleman, let me know.
by NoraG1 on
Dec 6, 2008 9:14 PM EST
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Touche
Everybody was a baby once, Arthur. Oh, sure, maybe not today, or even yesterday. But once. Babies, chum: tiny, dimpled, fleshy mirrors of our us-ness, that we parents hurl into the future, like leathery footballs of hope. And you've got to get a good spiral on that baby, or evil will make an interception.
by shenanigans on
Dec 6, 2008 9:16 PM EST
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Don't disrespect the big ticket
Garnett has played with so much fire and passion in this league throughout his whole career. In these times where the NBA is so washed out of emotions by the league through technicals and fines, it’s a nice change to see a player that still shows all his emotions, despite bogus consequences
by myfavoritecolorgreen on
Dec 6, 2008 9:49 PM EST
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What a waste of time reading this crap.
by BudweiserCeltic on
Dec 6, 2008 11:03 PM EST
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Well, have to say you’ve convinced me to take more interest in your Trailblazers even if that wasn’t your main point.
KG does appear to jaw something fierce. I haven’t seen enough to validate or invalidate what you’ve said, but yeah, KG is our guy and yes I’m very glad. The years in the wilderness hurt.
Back when I started watching basketball in the 80s, I think there was less talk because it more frequently ended in a fistfight. Wish it weren’t such a part of the game now.
by Thruthelookingglass on
Dec 7, 2008 12:02 AM EST
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they policed themselves more, kinda like hockey.
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by $chonzarelli on
Dec 7, 2008 11:23 AM EST
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Why do people care if players trash talk? It has been apart of the game since the beginning. It is not going to change.
by NoraG1 on
Dec 7, 2008 12:43 AM EST
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trash talk is fine,
publicly disrespecting a person is not.
simple really.
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by $chonzarelli on
Dec 7, 2008 11:25 AM EST
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Fans are overly sensitive to any percieved little slight. It is getting old.
by NoraG1 on
Dec 7, 2008 2:42 PM EST
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Would any other player be allowed to get on all fours and taunt opposing players?
would the refs let Rasheed Wallace do that?
Woof
by Charles Barkley McLovin on
Dec 7, 2008 12:49 AM EST
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The main reason it really bugs me...
Is because it seems like a double standard. Oden hangs on the rim, and gets a tech for taunting (Which I agree w/, it is something he needs to learn not to do) but getting down on all four is not taunting?
by Risk on
Dec 7, 2008 1:14 AM EST
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I'll understand in whole if you call me an apologist here (because I'm kind of asking for it),
but I think this could be a letter-of-the-law issue at this point in time. Whereas what KG does could fall under the predictably vague wording of the NBA’s rules regarding taunting and techs (“conduct which, in the opinion of an official, is detrimental to the game”) but is really dependent on referee discretion , the league has a specific long-held rule devoted to the rim-hanging:
An offensive player who deliberately hangs on his basket ring, net, back-board or support during the game shall be assessed a non-unsportsmanlike techni-cal foul and a $500 fine.
I’m not saying it’s necessarily fair (or unfair), and I’m not saying that the NBA will won’t start looking more closely at KG’s conduct (though I of course hope it doesn’t), there is a lot less wiggle room in the rulebook for what Oden does. Personally, it’s really too bad – there’s something about the way he finishes his dunks hard that I really enjoy watching. Can’t put my finger on it, but that “lift myself up” thing sure looks pretty cool. He had a seal-and-spin on Brad Miller at the beginning of the Sacto game last week for one of those that was just awesome.
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by Steve Weinman on
Dec 7, 2008 1:32 AM EST
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Oh I agree...
There are several games prior that I was expecting Oden to get a Tech.
To me though, it would seem that Garnett’s actions would fall under taunting as well.
With that said, even if he did get a tech, the taunting late in the game may still be worthwhile, as it can gain a psychological advantage later on.
I do admit that I am not a big fan of taunting, it just is not the type of person I am. Even so, I really think they should loosen up the rules about taunting. It is part of the game, even if it is not one I tend to enjoy.
by Risk on
Dec 7, 2008 1:41 AM EST
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Fair enough
And as I said, I can understand the claim about Garnett’s behavior falling under taunting. I just think the rulebook makes it a bit more cut-and-dry with the other issue, thus making them perhaps less comparable.
That said, the real mystery to me now is why the NBA rulebook has that hyphen in “technical” in the segment I quoted above. It really is the little things in life…
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by Steve Weinman on
Dec 7, 2008 1:45 AM EST
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Oden got a tech for slapping the backboard
after he dunked, not because he hung on the rim
Woof
by Charles Barkley McLovin on
Dec 7, 2008 2:02 AM EST
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Good point. Ask the refs. They are inconsistent most of the time it seems.
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Dec 7, 2008 1:20 AM EST
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OK this has just become asinine....
First and foremost I am a huge Celtics fan and have been since I was five years old and first introduced to the team through a televised game. I have thoroughly enjoyed seeing the Celtics return to prominence in the NBA and win their league-leading 17th Banner over the much despised rival Lakers.
Second I am a fan of the NBA and basketball as a whole and really got into following the league overall after I turned 10. Since then I’ve never been able to get enough of the sport. Kevin Garnett’s “antics” are and have been something he has been doing since Day 1 on the court. They are no different than Larry Bird trash-talking and picking fights, Jordan criticizing teammates, McHale bullying smaller opponents, or any of the trash-talking and bullying that has gone on in recent years. (see LeBron v Stevenson) It is all about trying to gain the mental and emotional advantage while getting yourself, your teammates, and the crowd even more focused and hyped-up.
Therefore this argument has become rather petty and stupid. All of various comparisons to the Jail Blazers are ridiculous because KG has always been courteous to the fans and has never had the poor off-the-court decision making of the likes of Rider, Wells, Stoudemire, and Randolph. Is Rasheed a hot-head? Yes, is he a necessarily bad person? No… everyone makes mistakes and he has gotten a lot better since joining the Pistons. Have the Blazers cleaned up their image? And will they most likely be title contenders down the road?? Yes to both and congrats for rebuilding a team of stand-up players with positive attitudes.
In turn KG has a positive attitude and his antics are reflection of his ridiculously high emotional intensity. The antics are the same as LeBron or any other player beating his chest after wicked dunks or blocks. It’s old news and has been and will continue to be a part of the NBA. Get over it and enjoy your team. Stop focusing so much on the truly minor aspects of players, which do not in anyway hurt the view of the NBA. And start focusing on the knuckleheads that cause tremendous amounts of problems BOTH on and off the court. This level of getting into the oppositions heads has been around forever, will continue to be a part of basketball as a whole, and can been seen at every level. Heck, I play DIII college ball and even on this level people will do anything to get under the oppositions skins. Because putting teams out of their rhythm without being ridiculously disrespectful to all those involved. And since the powergroup behind the NBA has not cracked down on KG or any other player who displays this type of behavior, more than they already have, shows that the league believes that it isn’t hurting the game either.
Three other side notes. 1) KG mixes it up with everyone, usually finding the weakest link to “attack” mentally, since a team is only as strong and good as it’s weakest member. See his ordeal with Zaza Pachulia in last years playoffs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULFIglte2b0
Not only did KG take responsibility for the foul he also didn’t allow his emotions to get out of hand.
2) The Miles signing was about trying to find a possible replacement for James Posey, who had the length and scoring ability to make an impact. It was also highly publicized as a move that would hopefully resurrect both Mile’s career and image. It was in no way a chance for the Celtics to get back at Portland for getting Roy or Oden. This should be even more evident now because while Portland has both players and will be great (hopefully getting a couple of rings) the Celtics returned to their winning ways, and have done so in a manner that Boston fans of all ages respect and relate to.
3) It is amazing how different fans relate to players and gain respect for those players… usually teams will emulate the attitude of the city they play in. Boston is a cold city, the birthplace of the Sons of Liberty, and the place where the Revolution first started… this hard-nosed, in-your-face, blatant way of handling things has always been the Bostonian and Northeastern (MA, NH, ME, VT, CT, RI) way of getting business done. Just get over it and enjoy the actually basketball that is being played.
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by celticjames24 on
Dec 7, 2008 3:07 AM EST
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I Think KG's "ACT" is getting old
I’m real tired of winning Championships. I just wish KG would stop this stuff. Seriously, all players have different ways of getting themselves going. What KG does is his way. Ray does it differently as does PP, Perk and Rondo, etc. It’s not personal. The guys that don’t have a way to get themselves going post on this Blog (no disrespect meant) or don’t play NBA basketball, at least not very well. Patrick O’Bryant, who we all complain about so much, needs a KG transfusion or else he may not last the year. Larry, who was referred to above, was a great trash talker. It wasn’t noticed, it wasn’t personal, but how would you like to be the one defending Bird, have Bird tell you the play and his part in it, and then do it to you again and again? Larry Bird is my hero, but he was known to curse some. The Celtics don’t like people, especially kids to come to their practices. I had a friend who knew someone who worked for the C’s and got him and his son into a Celtic practice when Bird was playing. Larry was very nice to the child when the practice was over, but during the workout the kid’s vocabulary grew immensely, much of the teaching done by Bird. I think we’re making too big a deal of KG and his “act”. (It’s not an act, it’s passion for the game, emotion and intensity). And KG just wears all this on his sleeve. Ray Allen bottles it up. No big deal.
by TrueGreen on
Dec 7, 2008 12:04 PM EST
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KG is not under a microscope, now one watched him when he played for his other team, because his old team was never on TV.
I can’t imagine how irritating it must be playing basketball with Bostons fans who imitate KG and act like a dog while playing defense.
by tominhawaii on
Dec 7, 2008 5:05 PM EST
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It is so lame that I wrote the most perfect comment in the world
And then I screwed it up like Danny Ainge draft pick when I meant to reply to Big Ticket below this comment.
by tominhawaii on
Dec 7, 2008 5:08 PM EST
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Ah, you mean like Al Jefferson and Ryan Gomes,
whom Ainge parlayed (along with debacles Gerald Green and Sebastian Telfair) into KG?
Or Tony Allen, who he found later in the 2004 first round and is now our top scorer off the bench. Or Leon Powe, who he found off the scrap heap late in the 2006 second round and now enters his third season a key part of the Celtics’ rotation, with a 21-point Game 2 of the Finals under his belt.
Ainge seems like an odd target at this particular time.
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by Steve Weinman on
Dec 7, 2008 5:16 PM EST
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I picked on Ange just because this is a Boston discussion
I should have went with Kevin McHale though.
by tominhawaii on
Dec 8, 2008 8:23 AM EST
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Probably would be irratating to lose to said team like most teams do against the Celtics as well.
by NoraG1 on
Dec 7, 2008 5:14 PM EST
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I don't get irritated by losses
I don’t want them to happen, but they are as much a part of sports as winning. It’s best to try to learn from the loss, put it behind you, and move on to the next game.
by tominhawaii on
Dec 8, 2008 8:19 AM EST
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Ignorance really is bliss
99% of the people that make judgments on this stuff base it off limited exposure to what they speak of. We all do it. And in this case, the OP is just wrong or bitter. KG did stuff like this when he was on Minnesota and nobody noticed… now he’s on a winner, under the microscope, and every hates it all of a sudden.
And I’m not exactly sure how you draw a line between trash talking and disrespecting an opponent. Trash talking IS disrespecting an opponent, and there’s really no argument to be had on that matter.
by Big Ticket on
Dec 7, 2008 3:05 PM EST
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trash talking and taunting are different things.
Court talk is just that, talk on the court heard by other players and the lucky fans in the first few rows. Lets say player A and player B are talking all game long. They can tell each other to F off all night long and thats fine, but the second one of them puts a middle finger in the air and everyone in the arena and the millions of fans at home and watching on youtube see it then it goes to a different level. Is there a difference between spitting in someones face and calling someones mother a whore? Off the court I don’t know, who am I to judge, but I do know that while on the court wearing an NBA jersey that there is a difference. Public displays of taunting is different than running your mouth for the benifit of a few players.
So where is the line??
Somewhere between talking trash and public displays of taunting. Clapping hands directly in an opponents face, standing over them and celebrating, crawling around on the floor like a dog, etc. It’s bad form both for those who do it and those who support it. Exactley how do you explain to a child why it’s ok to taunt an opponent?
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by $chonzarelli on
Dec 7, 2008 4:13 PM EST
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So as long as not everyone see it as fans it is ok. Trash talking=verbal taunting. Not that I have a huge problem with it either. I don’t think either one is more disrespectful then the other.
by NoraG1 on
Dec 7, 2008 4:29 PM EST
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Difference Between KG and Rasheed Wallace
KG is a good teammate. KG puts in the effort in practice and always gives it his all. KG’s antics are a positive for his team. KG has a purpose: Winning.
by Toine43 on
Dec 7, 2008 3:08 PM EST
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Personally, I think 'Sheed's teammates would tell you the same about him...
…with the exception being the “antics are a positive for his team.” Though ‘Sheed has been a winner at times as well, I think the big distinction is that Wallace’s over-the-top reactions have hurt his team more than KG has, and he isn’t quite the leader that KG is. But I’m not sure it’s fair to paint it in a way that comes off as such a black-and-white branding.
That said, the way it came off to me (as described above) could well not be the way you meant it, T43 – just figured I’d put it out there.
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by Steve Weinman on
Dec 7, 2008 4:52 PM EST
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No, it's not black and white.
But i guess what I was trying to stress by painting it that way is that KG is always thinking about what’s best for his team, and he’s always thinking about winning. The key word there is always, because you can’t include that word when talking about most players. And definitely not Rasheed Wallace.
I don’t see much in common between the two, and I was angered by the comparison, so in the process of responding to the comparison I didn’t give Rasheed enough credit.
by Toine43 on
Dec 7, 2008 10:25 PM EST
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Makes sense by me, T43
Thanks for clarifying – knowing you, I figured the post wasn’t meant in black-and-white, but I understood also that it could be interpreted that way, so I just wanted to clarify. I’ll certainly agree with the “always” commentary. Good stuff on your end, as usual.
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by Steve Weinman on
Dec 7, 2008 10:43 PM EST
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I'm not saying this for a reaction
But the only difference I see in their churlish behavior, big picture wise, is that KG focuses on the opponent and Rasheed focuses on the officials.
by tominhawaii on
Dec 8, 2008 8:25 AM EST
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KG Disrespects the game like no other
He’s a punk, straight up. I use to have mad respect for the guy, but ever since he left Minny, he’s crossed the line many times.
I understand why Celtics fans defend him, he’s their player, but he’s too good to act the way he does. He totally disrespects the game and his opponents and, to me, it’s disgusting.
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by iDea on
Dec 7, 2008 6:05 PM EST
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What's the difference since he left Minny?
You’ll note that some of our readers who followed him closely – notably our own Big Ticket – can attest to the fact that he was the same guy there that he is now. Besides the fact that he plays for a winner now, what has changed in your eyes?
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by Steve Weinman on
Dec 7, 2008 6:13 PM EST
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for me its just that he has more exposure now
I always found him to be a jerk… remember the Minnesota-Sacramento playoff series where he talked about how he was going to bring all those weapons? He was involved in several skirmishes that series, most of which he started. The Kings had a few guys with the guts to respond, which, is (somewhat sadly) not true of the current Blazer roster.
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by jksnake99 on
Dec 7, 2008 7:57 PM EST
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He's always been petulant
and he’s always been this way, sort of. In my eyes, he’s taken it to another level. Show me when he’s ever barked like a dog on all fours, while in Minny? Sure, he’s always talked a lot of smack, and he’s had his run in’s with players. It’s a fine line between letting your emotions get the best of you and getting in a squirmish, which happens all the time with players, and letting your emotions get the best of you FOR NO REASON and basically stalking a player down the court (Calderon for example).
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by iDea on
Dec 7, 2008 9:08 PM EST
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Give me a break. Guess the legends of the game disrespected as well. Also KG has been doing this before he was in Boston. The bias against him since he won is pretty ridiculous. KG has not changed the perception of those who can’t call him a ‘loveable loser’ anymore is all that has changed.
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Dec 7, 2008 6:12 PM EST
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As has been said ‘Everbody hates a winner’ If you don’t want that label I guess you better not succeed as a champion.
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KG's taunting of Bayless was absurd
The Celtics played a great game, completely dominated the Blazers and had the game in hand… and he feels the need to taunt an end-of-the-bench 19 year old rookie? Ridiculous. Amazing player— amazingly disrespectful of the game.
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by jksnake99 on
Dec 7, 2008 7:39 PM EST
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Exactly
He’s WAY too good to be acting like a fool.
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by iDea on
Dec 7, 2008 9:15 PM EST
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and you have more posts than any of us on it.
Maybe a little insight???
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by $chonzarelli on
Dec 7, 2008 10:00 PM EST
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I get that some opposing fans don’t like it. But disrespectful of the game? A game full of trash talking and a past that the NBA has? Who are you to judge what is or isn’t respectful.
by NoraG1 on
Dec 7, 2008 8:37 PM EST
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Trash talk is one thing
Garnett goes way beyond trash talking.
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by iDea on
Dec 7, 2008 9:16 PM EST
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Give me a break. Going on all fours is not hurting anyone. If he was throwing punches I would agree.
by NoraG1 on
Dec 7, 2008 9:28 PM EST
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You completely miss the point if that's your line of thinking
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by iDea on
Dec 8, 2008 2:12 AM EST
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All it does is make opponants fans whine for days about it on a Celtics blog instead of whining about it where it belings on a Blazers blog, that is annoying. It is getting quite old. You are not going to change Celtics fans mind on their board.
by NoraG1 on
Dec 7, 2008 9:30 PM EST
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Nobody's trying to change your mind
You’re free to think however you like…….
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by iDea on
Dec 8, 2008 2:13 AM EST
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Once again,
For the record, not ALL celtics fans defend KG here. I for one am in the camp of the original poster.
I’ve said as such at least twice on this thread, but those posts were “moderated” out. Interesting..
God bless and good night!
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Dec 9, 2008 11:14 PM EST
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30 of them yours, thats almost 18% bro.
Most of it has been rambling on and repeating yourself, not actually making any valid points, and the whole time butchering the english language. Nice work.
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by $chonzarelli on
Dec 7, 2008 10:08 PM EST
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Another thing. You don’t think I made any valid point because you don’t agree. I see no valid points from you either. The reason I say the same things over and over is because there is no where else to go. Blazer trolls aren’t exactly bringing forth anything new to discuss. I have no problem with Blazers or other teams being upset by this. Go ahead. But by posting here what do you expect us to do about it? Write KG hate mail.
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Dec 7, 2008 10:38 PM EST
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You are a jerk. But who is the one that started this thread in the ina Celtics area expecting Celtics fans to agree. I am only responding to you and you Blazer trolls. I apparently have to repeat myself. Thanks for starting this, congrats.
by NoraG1 on
Dec 7, 2008 10:12 PM EST
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I don’t bother to correct myself and my typos in a blog. Also thanks for wasting time and counting every post i made responding to the trolls. That must of been well worth your time.
by NoraG1 on
Dec 7, 2008 10:14 PM EST
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To echo one of Roy's comments from earlier,
let’s please try to keep this civil, folks – fans from another team with a dissenting opinion aren’t necessarily trolls, but there’s no need for any personal attacks on either side.
There is clearly discussion to be had here, but let’s try and have it without the personal squabbling.
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by Steve Weinman on
Dec 7, 2008 10:47 PM EST
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Sorry, when I am singled out I respond. I will refrain from now on.
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KG Has No Class
Dude has no class! I love his intensity and Fire! He has and awesome Drive and I understand how he motivates his players. I hate the way KG has to be a punk at the same time. I don’t understand how people think his antics are just a product of his emotions and desire. That’s a Lame excuses I really think you can be tuff and motivate your team, show heart, desire, intensity ect. Without being a total idiot. Trash Talk, don’t take anybody’s crap, and go ahead and pound your chest until it hurts, but don’t go down on all fours and take cheap shots. its really that simple. If someone can honestly say with a clear head that they actually like when KG goes doggy style… they might want to get some help. seriously. Oh and don’t bring up David West as an example of some tuff guy garnet has went after. West is talented but anyone who follows the nba knows that West is like A shy, nice, sportsman of the year type guy. Basically he is kinda soft. I would like to see KG go after Dwight Howard, Shaq, or someone of that nature….they snap him in half. Last thing on Kg: anyone who remembers the ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!!!! post game celebration speech knows deep down that it was an embarrassment to any championship post game interview. The positive: I love ray Allen! That guy is a class act all the way and I am very happy for him. Thanks Boston for getting Jesus shuttlesworth his! Bird was and will probably always be my fav player. Super ugly but the guy could ball. Hope this isn’t to much. I know some people can not handle any criticism of anyone on there team. So sorry to those people but I mean no disrespect to the team as a whole, the fans, or the organization. I actually like you guys, Ijust think one person out of it all is a total idiot.
by jcoop85 on
Dec 8, 2008 11:57 AM EST
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The "Anything is possible!" speech was an embarrassment?
How do you figure?
I can’t say I wouldn’t have been a bit overcome with emotion in the same situation, so I’m not quite ready to judge the guy for being excited.
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by Steve Weinman on
Dec 8, 2008 1:16 PM EST
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I loves me some Ray Ray
Jesus is a total class act…….and a cold blooded killer, he always sticks the dagger.
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by iDea on
Dec 8, 2008 2:58 PM EST
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this post is horrendous..
Kevin Garnett going from the likeable loser in Minnesota to a winner in Boston is obviously a reason for opposing fans to be bitter and jealous and therefore hate the man… KG is the most emotional player in the league and you have to admire that he shows it…It is solely to pump up the consistently sold-out crowd and to get his juices flowing.. who wouldn’t be pumped up if 18,000 people were screaming for you…. and this BS about picking on smaller players… lets not turn the NBA into the NFL where theres penalties for laying a finger diminutive kickers and punters… and if Kevin wants to target someone he know he is better than… so be it.
by BNeville87 on
Dec 8, 2008 9:16 PM EST
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I'm a Blazer fan...
and I have to say, I hate KG, but I’d love to have a guy like him on my team. Maybe not one that is SO over the top like KG, cussin’ and swearin’ and taunting people, but someone with emotion and passion is always good to have on a team.
Every night the team scores 100 points is sort of a mini-Hispanic night.........all the fans get free Chalupas. --Bust a Bucket
by prezofdeath on
Dec 8, 2008 9:39 PM EST
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At least your honest. Their are players around the league I dislike as well but would want them on the Celtics because of how they play.
by NoraG1 on
Dec 8, 2008 9:52 PM EST
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Does the NBA have a rule against taunting?
Yes, it does.
Was KG “trying to get himself going” or “trying to mess with the opponents’ minds to throw them off their game”? No, he was not. The game was over, it was a blowout.
He targeted Bayless twice, once with the dog thing after a dunk and again by getting in his face after the double-dribble call.
OK, an MVP is so afraid of a 3rd string PG that he needs to try to mess with his mind in a blowout? Twice? Give me a break. It was taunting. And taunting a beaten opponent is classless, and in violation of the league’s rules. That it is a star like KG doing it to a 3rd stringer just makes it more classless. And I would venture that most Boston fans know it.
KG is too good, he doesn’t need that kind of rubbish.
If Bayless had lost his cool and popped KG in the nose, it would have been a double-technical, because no one could claim there hadn’t been provocation. In that case, it should have been a technical for taunting. End of story.
If you don’t enforce the taunting rule, you will have fights, and Mr. Stern will wring his hands and declaim how bad it is that players don’t control themselves. Mr. Stern, it lies at your door. Either enforce the rule, or have the honesty to admit you aren’t going to, and strike it off.
Why does a great win for Boston have to be messed up with this kind of stuff? What’s the point? You whipped our tails, you showed our kids what a great team does, you taught them a lesson. Mega-kudos. Why pollute it with taunting? It just creates bad blood.
I guarantee there’s a lot of Blazer fans who want to see KG get injured, now. If he gets hurt in Portland, there will be people who cheer. Well, that’s really good for the game, isn’t it? Should they have that attitude? Of course not. But if they do, KG has brought it on himself, and the NBA’s failure to enforce their rule is going to damage the league.
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by jscot on
Dec 9, 2008 6:01 PM EST
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That is Ludicous
Interesting Blazers fans think that taunting is so horrible they would cheer KG getting hurt? That makes them worse then anything KG ever did to the Blazers. KG does not deserve that. KG did not bring that kind of behavior on. If true I have lost respect for Blazers fans and they don’t deserve to have this ‘holier then thou’ attitude that he is ‘dispespecting’ the game.
by NoraG1 on
Dec 9, 2008 6:57 PM EST
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I don’t know why you’re taking this so personally. What KG is doing is taunting (Calderon, Bayless, dog thing) and that really isn’t debatable.
As far as other team’s fans insinuations for KG to get hurt – I think it was more a matter of frustration because KG deserves some ‘physical reinforcement’ like what he would get in the 80’s for acting like a fool, but the league won’t allow that, nor enforce their own rules.
Is it really that hard to understand?
By the way, it’s hard to take someone too seriously when they spell like a 6 year old. Holier THAN thou.
God bless and good night!
by BrickJames on
Dec 9, 2008 11:21 PM EST
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Thanks for the comment
I definitely don’t hope KG gets hurt, and I don’t think “physical reinforcement” is needed, although I do hope for a couple hard fouls (not dirty ones) to send a message, if it continues. But really, the league ought to step in. Trash talk is fine, but he’s gone beyond that. I can’t imagine why, because he doesn’t need it.
I hope you guys win 70, you’ve got the team to do it.
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by jscot on
Dec 10, 2008 7:58 AM EST
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Excuse me
But I didn’t say it would be good or ok to Blazer fans to react that way. Did I? I said they shouldn’t have that attitude. Perhaps you didn’t read what I said, or perhaps you can’t engage with what I said so you aren’t addressing it.
I said it is bad for the game for this to happen, for people to have that attitude.
KG does deserve to have people dislike him. He has brought that on himself by taunting.
I’m glad you tacitly acknowledge that it was taunting. That is, at least, progress on your part, based on this thread.
You do know the league has a rule against taunting, right? So KG is breaking the rule. Perhaps you can understand that. He is taunting, and the rules say you aren’t supposed to do that. Maybe you think it is ok to break the rules. If so, just say so, and then we’re to the bottom of the matter.
Some of us, Celtic fans and Blazer fans alike, think you should win within the rules. If you think it is ok to break the rules on something that isn’t even helping you win the game, by all means. You’ll have an unhappy life, perhaps end up in prison, messed up family life, etc. Maybe you’ll learn by the time you’re a little older that rules are often there to protect against bad things happening, and if everybody just breaks them whenever they feel like it, lots of bad things happen. Maybe you’ll never learn.
Good luck to you, and to your team. I like their game, a lot. It would be better if Rivers had the courage to tell KG to cool the taunting. It would be better still if the league told him. It’s ugly and unnecessary.
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by jscot on
Dec 10, 2008 7:56 AM EST
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What is your problem? Geesh.
How about other teams do the same thing KG is doing? That would be just ‘punishment’ not cheering for him to get injured. That is taking it too far. I don’t think THAT is too hard to understand. It’s called a typo last time I checked. Guess that is too hard for you to understand. People want players to be nice and yet it seems they can’t even act that way.
by NoraG1 on
Dec 9, 2008 11:32 PM EST
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KG has done it multiple times and the league has not called a tech on him. Maybe part of it is that just about everytime KG does it without fail the other team scores 2. If it bugs you this much write the front office a letter, and let them know. Complaining about here, 4 days later is not going to do anything.
by NoraG1 on
Dec 10, 2008 10:46 AM EST
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Well, I didn't write the fan post
and only just saw the discussion here yesterday.
The only reason I joined the discussion is because it didn’t seem to have been pointed out how clearly this violated the no taunting rule.
I doubt the league is going to take action based on one letter, anyway. But if it starts to get talked up on more than one fan website, they might. In this case, blog discussions are likely to have more impact than an isolated letter, anyway.
Some ref may decide to make himself a name by T’ing up KG for this, though, if he keeps it up.
I’m out now. Enjoy your team, and your likely championship.
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by jscot on
Dec 10, 2008 12:48 PM EST
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Ok, but I don’t think the league office sits around reading blogs either. But who knows?
by NoraG1 on
Dec 10, 2008 12:56 PM EST
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