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Ray Allen's Ankles An Issue

Scott Souza reports:

Nearly 10 months after undergoing double-ankle surgery to remove bone spurs and scar tissue last April - and seven months after proclaiming the ankles "perfect" following his draft night trade from Seattle to Boston - Allen revealed that the road back to full health has been a lot longer and more painful than the 32-year-old ever admitted.

"When I left (Seattle) the doctor there told me that he didn't want me to go to training camp and he didn't want me to play back-to-back (nights) starting the season off," Allen said. "The team had a relationship with the trainers, and the doctor, so they knew what the prognosis was - that I would have to ease into it.

"But then when I was traded, with all the excitement and everything that I was doing, I just came here getting ready to play a season. There was no way I was going to come in and say, 'I can't play. I am not going to training camp.' And then, 'I'm not playing back-to-backs.' I was just going to take it day-by-day and see how I felt."

For the most part, Allen felt reasonably well - at least, well enough to keep practicing and playing. But watching one of the more prolific scorers in NBA history struggle with his shot virtually all season, there was lingering concern that it was more than just a prolonged slump.

Allen was well aware of the cause.

"I just didn't want to talk about it," he said. "I knew it was going to be an issue, so I didn't want to bring it up."

I can't say this is all that surprising but this is all about that fine line that athletes have to walk between "playing through pain" and doing more harm than good to their body and the team.  Allen claims that he's doing better, but since he was less than forthcoming before, can we really trust him to tell the whole truth now?

Allen said he has finally started to round into form in recent weeks. Though he was forced to sit for another couple of days three weeks ago with a pinched nerve in the back of his neck, and missed Tuesday's game in Miami with a virus that prevented him from eating for two days, overall he claims to be healthier than at any time since last season.

"I've felt good, but I've still had slight problems with my ankles and trying to move forward," he said. "That's just with the soreness in them. It just hurts me a little bit.

"Just in the last week I have been able to get back fit with my body. In between practices, I have been working on my power stuff - getting in there, exploding to the rim, dunking with both hands like I know I am capable of doing. I've been getting my legs back underneath me and that carries over to my jump shot."

This is something that I think I'll be watching more closely in the future.

 

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Don’t the Boston doctors and the Seattle doctors communicate? How can the Seattle doctors be saying this guy should take a month off, and get rest on back-to-backs, while we have the guy playing 40 minutes per night?

Anyway, going forward the team needs to find him more rest. I support the approach they’ve been taking with KG, and they should do something similar with Ray when he starts to show signs of slippage.

by Roy_Hobbs on Feb 3, 2008 2:36 PM EST reply actions  

They really need to give him a couple of weeks off. There’s no reason not to. They are running away with the division. They need to sit him at least until after the All-Star break. Personally I’d start now and sit him until the week after the All-star game. That way he gets a lot of rest but would not miss as many games as normal. They need him healthy for the play-offs, not now!!!

by furball2323 on Feb 3, 2008 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

That’s why Paul & Kevin should also be resting instead of playing in that meaningless spectacle.

by iowa plowboy on Feb 3, 2008 2:59 PM EST reply actions  

His surgery was a pretty big deal – bigger than people were letting on. I’d expect it would take him quite a while to recover – and I don’t know that I’d expect him to get all the way back to where he was before the procedure, especially because he’s past 30.

The worst thing he could do was to rush back too quick and put too much wear on the ankles without proper recovery. Not too smart of him or the team management, if they were aware of his condition.

The issue is whether the situation will be stable, improve or deteriorate over the rest of this season and next year. I agree that they should limit his minutes and give him extended time off now if he needs it.

by tallpaul on Feb 3, 2008 3:05 PM EST reply actions  

give him a month off.

1st or 2nd seed is locked up.

what’s the harm? how is a hurt rallen gonna help us right now?

by EnP24 on Feb 3, 2008 3:11 PM EST reply actions  

I’ve been mentioning that both Pierce and Allen were coming off surgery all year. Perk was injured last year. Just about everyone on this team has been injured this year. With the exception of Pruitt and Powe. Imagine what our record would be if everyone was heathy all year. If we’re heathy for the playoffs i’ll be very happy.

by liam on Feb 3, 2008 3:39 PM EST reply actions  

I’ve noticed for a while now that he hasn’t been getting a good amount of lift on his jumpshot. I just assumed that it was a side affect of the surgery. Never thought to think maybe it was still hurting him.

Either way we shouldn’t have him playing 40 plus minutes when he’s the oldest of the big 3.

by ManUp on Feb 3, 2008 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

His struggles have nothing to do with his struggles on the court – well almost nothing, so marginal it’s not worth blaming it on.

His struggles have to do with how he’s being used. You can’t treat Ray Allen like Jason Kapono and expect him to play like Ray Allen. Just can’t do that.

Doc’s still adding a few wrinkles to the offense and he’s been looking for ways to get Ray going. That’s how Ray’s play improves.

Take the Dallas game. Ray had 26 points in the first three quarters. The team was looking for him and giving him screens to work with, they were making sure he was getting opportunities. Then the fourth quarter roles around and they stop giving him the ball. He was barely involved from that point on. The team just stopped looking for him. That’s what’s wrong.

by Who on Feb 3, 2008 4:05 PM EST reply actions  

Roy,
Why would Seattle’s doctors communicate with Boston’s doctors? Allen is no longer their concern. If anyone is to blame it is Allen for failing to communicate with our team doctors. Shame on him.

by HRB on Feb 3, 2008 4:05 PM EST reply actions  

Come out of the game if pain develops and do not go back in. Play less minutes on back to back games. Take a day off even if the team plays when necessary. See if things get better by playing less otherwise take time off and come back gradually. The Red Sox have to do this with their pitchers all the time coming back from injuries. They play simulated games, play AAA games, they limit them to a pitch count and Ray would be limited to a minute count. It might not be that severe with Ray but it seems to work for them.

by CelticsWin on Feb 3, 2008 4:26 PM EST reply actions  

Roy and all, you might want to do a thorough review of my obnoxoius posts about Ray, his ankles, and Docs idiocy. Yes, the seattle docs, talk to the boston docs, and did. I promise.

by wahz on Feb 3, 2008 5:05 PM EST reply actions  

His struggles have to do with how he’s being used. You can’t treat Ray Allen like Jason Kapono and expect him to play like Ray Allen. Just can’t do that.

Not sure I buy this. He runs the second unit. He’s the man on the floor for a good percentage of the time.

I’m glad Ray was enthusiastic and wants to play, but maybe if Doc realized this he wouldn’t ride him for nearly 40 mins a night.

by cmoney on Feb 3, 2008 5:52 PM EST reply actions  

I actually agree with Ray about not telling the Celtics organization about what transpired between the Sonics’ doctors and Ray.

I also agree with Ray’s decision to play. You just don’t go to a new team and they get KG and then you say I can’t go to Rome and training camp and not participate in preseason games….you just can’t do that.

Also, Ray had a descent first month and an even better 2nd month so the ankles weren’t a problem until the new year.

Ray started to really struggle right after the West Coast trip…the traveling from coast to coast and the plane rides must have aggravated his sore ankles.

by LB3533 on Feb 3, 2008 6:02 PM EST reply actions  

Well,obviously there is something wrong—Ray’s best games have come right after he gets a game or two off.

by Maxwell Smart on Feb 3, 2008 7:33 PM EST reply actions  

whenever he has come back from time off he has shot lights out – give him a long rest and no back to backs – we need him shooting like he does when he gets back from taking time to heal

by ForexPirate on Feb 4, 2008 1:21 AM EST reply actions  

I don’t understand Doc. Why is Allen averaging 38 minutes per game? He should be rested. Even if he plays every night, he shouldn’t be playing any more than 25-30 minutes per night.

by pkarta on Feb 4, 2008 3:12 AM EST reply actions  

the c’s put all their marbles on 3 old guys and they have to win now. allen is not going to get healthier just creakier. doc has got to manage his time better. this team has been very lucky so far with injuries. tony is a walking med problem. doc has not overplayed perk with his foot. posey is fragile and let’s hope that nothing happens to house. pp is a warrior and he needs some rest too.

by nazzbo on Feb 4, 2008 8:17 AM EST reply actions  

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