How the Other Side Thinks: TS Drops Suns Knowledge
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For whatever reason, Bright Side of the Sun's TexSUN just seems to bring out the worst in me.
Back when I hosted the 48th Carnival of the NBA in August at Taking it to the Rack, I linked to a beautifully written piece by TS and attempted to provide a compliment in the form of "Props, good sir." Little did I know that "sir" wouldn't be the best possible label for TexSUN, given that TS is, alas, a female. Ah, the wonders of the Internet.
Somehow, I overcame my initial bit of foolishness and ignorance to be able to move forward with some very pleasant basketball discussions with Tex. We chatted on a few occasions after the Carnival ran, mostly about our differing views on Shawn Marion, and I greatly enjoyed our interaction. It should be no surprise that she was my natural choice to be our guest voice on the Suns. Yet after a few months of not chatting with TS, somehow, I goofed again this time around. Apparently, last week's discussion with Tim MacMahon of the Dallas Morning News was still on my brain, because in my first question, I managed to ask her to give me an idea of what it's been like following the Mavericks this season. Ay caramba. Some interviewer I am.
But fortunately for me, in her infinite grace, TS managed not to simply throw her hands up in disgust and give up but instead to do what she always seems to do: provide great insight on all things Suns-related, and as a bonus, the Mavs, too. Though we're only running the Suns-relevant portion of the discussion today in advance of tonight's Suns-Celts match-up in Beantown, TexSUN's thoughts on her boys' West rivals could be making an appearance in this space sometime soon. But for now, away we go into the Valley of the Sun...
[UPDATE: The folks at Bright Side had some questions for yours truly as well. My answers can be found here.]
SW: As you're all too well aware, the national discussion around the Suns of late has centered on the acquisition of the Big Aristotle in the middle. What are your impressions of Shaq as a Sun thus far? How do you see the trade ultimately playing out?
TS: Putting aside future concerns (Shaq's long-term health and salary) for the moment, and just focusing on the here and now, I think you can sum up my feelings like this: Have you ever watched a movie that you knew was great and all your friends loved it, but for whatever reason, you just couldn't get into it yourself? I think that's how I feel about the trade right now. It's pretty obvious the Suns are a better "playoff" team with Shaq and Amare running the show than they were when everything centered around a pint-sized point guard going wild, and the Matrix was soaring high. For a lot of fans, perhaps even the majority, the Suns are even more fun to watch now that they have a real center. After years of watching the Suns get pushed around and be labeled as "soft", fans are really loving the new-found toughness that Shaq brings to the team. He's been diving into the stands, hustling for loose balls, getting the crowd fired up, and it's clear both the players and fans adore him. Unfortunately, I'm in that 1% of atypical fans that are stubborn. I find it much more satisfying to win unconventionally than to give in and conform to what everybody else does. But that's my problem, not Shaq's.
The truth is, the Suns are a better team today than they were before they made the trade. They are scoring about the same, they're individually playing better defense, and most importantly, they aren't getting beaten up on the glass anymore. They're also way less dependent on Steve Nash to create plays for everybody. That's great from the standpoint that it makes the Suns a better team, and harder to defend. Not so great if watching Steve go Houdini every night was a major reason you enjoyed watching the Suns. But this trade was about making the team better suited to win a championship, and in that respect, there's little room to deny that it does. The question is, can Shaq stay healthy for the duration of his deal, because that's where the situation could get sticky.
SW: In a similar vein regarding the Suns-Heat blockbuster, on several occasions before, you and I had discussed Shawn Marion and his somewhat enigmatic nature. While I've long leaned toward the "Shawn's a basket case" and of the spectrum -- and by the same token, you had always been a bit more supportive of him, and understandably so as he was 'your guy' -- there was never any questioning in our conversations of what this guy brought to the team on the basketball court. Which brings me to this: Was dealing the Matrix worth it for the Suns? Had his 'tude and never-ending quest for respect simply reached proportions too great for the team to successfully entertain anymore? Would his attitude have ultimately doomed their chemistry? Or did they give up and pull the trigger too quickly on dismantling a relationship that could have been preserved, at least long enough to win or contend for a title?
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TS: I wish I could tell you what really happened there, but unfortunately, I'm just a fan with no real insider access to the team. My best speculation is that Shawn still wanted to leave, and that the Suns were convinced he would opt out this summer if they didn't go ahead and grant his wish to be traded. But that's just guessing. The truth is, I really don't know what happened, other than hints I've read in the media.
I always felt that Shawn was like that guy at the office who complains incessantly about his boss, about not getting enough credit, about not getting paid enough, etc., but when it came right down to it, would be absolutely devastated if he were laid off. But maybe I was wrong, since it seems Shawn did indeed welcome the trade to (of all places) Miami. The flip side, though, is that we also hear from the media (and I heard it myself personally when I interviewed the Arizona Republic's Paul Coro a few months ago) that Shawn is a really great guy in "real life". They say he always takes time to ask reporters questions about themselves, and seems genuinely interested to hear what they have to say. Since he was one of my favorite players on the team while he was here, I'm choosing to remember him that way--and for all the times he made the game so much fun to watch.
SW: Without a doubt, this season has represented another major breakthrough for stud forward Amare Stoudemire. In fact, I wrote earlier this year about how impressive the growth of his all-around offensive game has been, and the statistics have reflected as much. But the concerns about STAT over the last couple of seasons have largely ceased to be about his offensive game. The knock on STAT has long been that for all his athleticism, he has been quite a putrid defender for most of his career. From box scores alone, it's easy to tell certain things (although certainly not the whole story) about the improvement of STAT's offensive game, even for those who don't watch the Suns all that much. The same can't really be said on the other end of the floor. How would you assess STAT's development as a defensive player over the course of this season?
TS: I think bringing Shaq on board has been huge for Amare. While I always hated reading quotes that might be construed as "whining" about his having to play out of position, he did have a point. It wasn't really fair to make him guard the Shaq's and Yao's of the league, then pound him for his inability to stop those guys. Having Shaq to take on the bigger guys has really helped Amare on both ends of the floor. The Phoenix crowd has even begun to bestow upon him the "MVP" chants that used to belong to Steve Nash. (Of course, they had a little prodding by Amare himself on that one). The main thing Amare needs to do at this point is figure out how to play defense while staying out of foul trouble. Once he does that, he really will be a serious contender for MVP.
SW: What is the biggest below-the-radar X-factor for the Suns heading into the playoffs this year?
TS: Honestly? Maybe Gordan Giricek. I was one of the few fans who was actually happy that Brent Barry snubbed the Suns in favor of returning to San Antonio. My main thought: If it was such a tough decision for the guy, then obviously he didn't really want to be a Sun (plus I was conspiracy theorist enough to suspect there was never any true intent there to begin with). On the other hand, Giricek wanted to play for the Suns, very much so it seemed, and he was someone who had a lot to prove after his last two stops ended badly. I had a good feeling about him from the get-go, and so far, he's making me proud of my prognosticative prowess.
The Suns have essentially replaced Shawn Marion with Shaq, and Marcus Banks with Giricek. Regardless of what you think of the Marion/Shaq part of that, Giricek is a no-brainer upgrade over Banks. The rotation can now go a true eight deep with Boris Diaw, Leandro Barbosa, and Giricek all coming off the bench.
SW: The brutal honesty, ruffle-the-feathers-of-one-fan-base question coming right back at you: Amare or KG?
TS: I like Amare on offense and KG on defense, but I'll let Amare's age be the tiebreaker. I love KG, though. He was on my short list of "players I'd be willing to trade Marion for" back when that was still a viable option.
SW: More brutal honesty: Can this team win a championship as currently constructed? Could it have done so prior to the trade? Why?
TS: Before the trade? Yes, because anything can and does happen. Would it have? Probably not. The West is just too deep, and the Suns didn't seem to have that "spark" they had in previous seasons. Was it possible they might have rediscovered it just in time to make a push? Yep. But that's something we'll never know now.
I think the post-trade Suns can win it all too, but again, the West is tough. The Suns will have to figure out how to keep the Lakers from "pick-and-Pau-ing" them to death. They'll have to figure out how to keep Utah's big guys off the three-point line. They'll have to be ready to run with the Warriors in one series and slug it out with the Spurs in the next. They'll have to hope the Hornets fall victim to that old cliche about playoff experience trumping regular season dominance. Of course, you can say the same thing about any team in the conference. Nobody has an easy path this year. Not even the much-ballyhooed Lakers.
SW: Got a score prediction for tonight's game?
TS: Gotta pick my guys to win in a nail-biter. We'll say 107-105.
Thanks again to TexSUN for joining us today and for putting up with my general dopiness...as seems to be the case far too often.
Now if only she could manage to be wrong about this score prediction...go green!
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the suns are a class outfit and can win the west. no matter how good and or how recovered bynum gets he’s too inexperienced compared to a motivated shaq. shaq does not need to dominate with this team because of all the players. this team has the stars, but also some sleek role players who fit the system and have played together for a period of time. and a coach who has the experience and the touch. i pick em in the west. and wouldn’t it be nice like in 1976- a phoenix- boston playoff. the c’s will have a harder road to the finals than the suns. the team is fiddling with combinations at a time they should be getting their sets set. i worry that they can get mavericked out by a lesser team and or outcoached.
by nazzbo on Mar 26, 2008 8:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Suns are one of the two teams we haven’t beaten this year. I predict a W tonight.
Nice job SW and TS, you both get a TP (Tommy Point)
by Jeff Clark on Mar 26, 2008 9:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was born in 1970 and didn’t truly learn to use a computer until 1993 or so, though I took to it like a fish to water. My dad always had Apple products growing up, like the Mac Classic, etc., which I used it to write school papers and such. It wasn’t until I got my first ‘real’ job that I was forced to the PC and now sit behind one all day ‘working’, and much of every night maintaining websites, creating music, and videos.
I just printed out the below article for my ‘morning read’ here at work, and couldn’t help but think back to the 1980’s when there was no internet to speak of, no blogs, no insight into the though processes of other teams’ fans.
I simply cannot fathom that life anymore. This site is such a great vehicle for Celtics’ fandom and such a wonderful tool for communication.
Thanks Steve, for another excellent piece and for your continued dedication to excellence.
by mcpu40 on Mar 26, 2008 9:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ll be very surprised if the Suns don’t beat the Celtics tonight and eventually win the title.
by Celtsfansince55 on Mar 26, 2008 10:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not to nit-pick jeff, but as I recall, there are 3 teams we haven’t beaten this season: Jazz (2 losses), Suns (revenge tonight?) and Hornets (Friday?).
by Bleedgreen on Mar 26, 2008 11:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We beat the Jazz in Utah in December. Only the Suns and Hornets have 0 losses against the Cs.
by paintitgreen on Mar 26, 2008 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Quick Matchup Analysis
C – Shaq vs Perkins Perkins can hold his own against Shaq here. PJ Brown and Baby can come in here for foul support. (Even)
PF – Amare vs KG – This is a pivitol matchup the Celtics cannot afford to lose. KG got owned in Phoenix.
SF – Pierce vs Grant Hill – Another matchup the Celtics cannot afford to lose. Also Raja Bell and Boris Diaw can come in and give the Celtics fits.
SG – Ray Allen vs Raja Bell – niether can stop the other so the NBA random number generator comes into effect.
PG – Nash vs Rondo – Rondo has come of age or he gets his comeuppance. I would dearly like to think the former.
Benches – Both teams have very good benches which can add a lot to each team.
Coaches – I am concerned that Doc is trying to get Sam I Am into the flow. The Celtics offensive flow seems interfered when Sam gets back in the game. And when Rondo comes back the Celtics have been out of synch twice in the 4th qtr and cost them two winnable games.
by QuinielaBox on Mar 26, 2008 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My bad. I did forget. Why did I think we lost that game? Who did we lose to in that 3 game stretch after the All Star break? Warriors, Nuggs and who? I must be dreaming that it was the Jazz.
Sorry to challenge your infinite wisdom Jeff!
by Bleedgreen on Mar 26, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Phoenix was the third loss on that trip, Bleedgreen (one of our worst-played games all season).
Followed, of course, by ten straight wins! :)
-sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 26, 2008 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that does it! No more predictions about a game’s outcome. I totally jinxed the Suns by arrogantly picking them to win a nail-biter. So I got neither a win NOR a nail-biter. Guess that’s what I get for thinking I could get away with “hiding” my predictions on a Celtics blog.
Well, if anyone cares to read my take on the game at BSotS, [url=http://brightsideofthesun.com/story/2008/3/26/223948/797]it’s here[/url].
Thanks, Steve, for taking down my thoughts. No problem on the Mavs thing. If I lived anywhere else, I would have caught the typo and answered the question you intended. Unfortunately, living in Dallas, I just assumed you wanted to a few words about my hometown team prior to getting on with chat about the Suns. One should never answer interview questions while suffering a severe case of the need sleeps.
by Bright Side of the Sun on Mar 26, 2008 11:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey TS,
Thanks to you for taking the time to share your thoughtful commentary…and for not giving it to me too terribly over my Mavs gaffe. Speaking of which…check out the NBA page tomorrow for “One Suns Blogger’s Thoughts on a Western Rival”…you might recognize the subject ;)
-sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 26, 2008 11:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
By the way, nice piece Steve. Didn’t mean to overlook your excellent piece. I like your work. I now remember that of course it wasn’t the Jazz. In fact I remember why it is foggy. See, i live in Denver, and went to that terrible Nuggets loss after the ALL STAR and was in quite a fog after that. Therefore, foggy memory of who was after that game. just remember that it was 3 L’s in a row.
by Bleedgreen on Mar 27, 2008 2:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the kind words, Bleedgreen. Glad you’re enjoying my work here. Totally understood about the Denver game situation…sorry to hear you had such a rough time (safe to presume it’s the only time you’ve seen them in person this year? Or have you gone up to Boston at any point this season?).
That said, the fact that we’re all trying to be able to remember every loss off the top of our heads is a testament to the rather low quantity of losses on the books, huh? What a season… ;)
-sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 27, 2008 9:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha ha. didn’t ever think of it that way man. Great point. Fortunately, I did make two other games early season back in Nov. Have some pretty sweet ticket connections through work thankfully, so when I go back east, I am able to get the “in”. I went to both the NJ and Miami games back when I was in town for the Boston ski show. Normally, one game back east when I hit that show and one game here (or in UT when I lived there.) Thank god for NBA League Pass. 5 seasons and counting! ;D
by Bleedgreen on Mar 28, 2008 1:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha. League Pass is a beautiful thing, huh? As an out-of-town guy myself, my only trip to see them in person thus far this season was to New Jersey back in January for a come-from-behind fourth quarter victory, sparked by Big Baby and the second unit (13-0 run in the fourth I think). That said, I’m banking on the C’s having some contests on the docket for me to try and get to in June ;D
So are you a former Boston resident transplanted? Or an out-of-town fan for life? As you may have noted from my columns, I’m a born and bred New Yorker whose been a Celts fan since day one. Guess it was just in the family from pops…although I’m not sure how the Brooklynite got hooked on the C’s. So I’m always curious about the Celtics heritage among the rest of the fan base. CB is really wonderful in its service as a connector for C’s fans all over, especially those of us not physically in Boston.
Thanks for the time.
-sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 28, 2008 2:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah man, born and raised 30 minutes north of Boston. I was fortunate that my father was a VP at a company downtown that had season tix to the Garden. I got to see plenty of epic battles in the early 80’s (through 86, when he left the company) including Lakers v C’s finals game, many regular season battles with the L’s , 76ers, etc. Very fortunate.
Moved away 5 years ago to Utah for work, now in CO. I too may have to travel to Mecca come playoffs.
by Bleedgreen on Mar 28, 2008 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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