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Tasteless Boston Globe Quote

The Boston Globe's Geoff Edgers conducted an interview with Celtics Owner Wyc Grousbeck.  The following was a question posed to Wyc:

A pressing question on the Celtics dancers. They're kind of skanky. Now that you're winning, can we get rid of them?

The following is an email I sent to the Globe:

To Geoff Edgers,

Did you really just print in the Globe that the dancers are "skanky?"  Really?

I'm not a fan of the dancers, but calling them that is incredibly disrespectful and downright trashy.  Is that what your newspaper is selling?  Terrible.

Bring back Jackie.

--
Jeff
CelticsBlog.com

Feel free to send your own thoughts to magazine@globe.com.

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I’d be more upset with the Globe stealing your site’s name for their “Celtics Blog” than this reporter asking a question that has crossed my mind many times I attend games at the Garden.

The reporter’s choice of the word “skanky” was pretty harsh, but the “Celtic Dancers” are probably more apropos at the Foxy lady than a Celtics game.

I was curious to see Wyc say that “most” of his season ticket holders were in favor of this act. I’m guessing that 40% or more of the season ticket holders find the dancers objectionable for one reason or another. I go to Celtics games to see pro basketball. A dance troupe has no connection to the sport at all. I also find the dance group very disrespectful to Red’s legacy.

by TripleOT on Apr 6, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I have thought since last year that the Celtics Dancers are just a peep show in cheerleaders clothing, and don’t really belong at a basketball game. However, calling them skanky was kind of personal and unnecessary.

by IndeedProceed on Apr 6, 2008 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

‘Skanky’ isn’t subtle, but neither are the Celtics Strippers. What’s more trashy is the Celtics having them—at very least in the style that they do—at all.

I also think Wyc is missing the boat here. Just because a majority of his season ticket purchasers are macho men saying, ‘yeah, bring ’em on’, doesn’t mean that it’s not short-sighted and antediluvian of them. Those male ticket purchasers bring women and girls to the game, and I believe they are more likely to be turned off by them and not return.

I know I’m not taking my nieces—or nephews—to see the team live while they have them.

by clover on Apr 6, 2008 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Wyc is delusional if he thinks he’s built a contender for 5 years. Three tops and the dropoff is likely to rival last season.

I’m with Clover and Indeed. Between Lucky and the civil things they do during timeouts and halftime, there’s plenty of entertainment without the cheerleaders. The one game last year we had seats close to the court, I was squirming at the cheerleader acts with my wife next to me elbowing the crap out of my arm. (I’d just as soon have a Matt Hughes armbar applied than eat my wife’s repeated elbows) So every time they came out after that, out of self preservation, I ran to the concession stand.

My daughter in law is a cheerleader for our local arena football team and their acts are tasteful and entertaining. They are part of the atmosphere. The Celtics cheerleaders are like a burlesque sideshow. Skanky is not that far off, but a bad choice of words.

by lobstermobster on Apr 6, 2008 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I sent Mr. Edgers this, and just realized I spelled his last name wrong:-)

To Geoff Egders,

Did you just tell Wyc Grousbeck that the Celtic dancers were skanky? Are you familiar with the definition?

The definition of “Skank” from Merriam-Webster:
A rhythmic dance performed to reggae or ska music, characterized by bending forward, raising the knees, and extending the hands.
Disgusting or vulgar matter; filth.
One who is disgustingly foul or filthy and often considered sexually promiscuous. Used especially of a woman or girl.
Something tells me you were not referring to definition #1 above.

You’re pretty fortunate Mr. Grousbeck is a gentleman and gave you and benign, somewhat off-topic response. I for one am pretty disgusted by your remark. You owe the Celtics organization and every single dancer a heart-felt apology. I suggest you do so in your next writing.

Joe

by joeb on Apr 6, 2008 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

haha jeff thank you for this important sanctimony – i can only shudder at the thought of what the world would be like w/out your brave stance!

 :P

by NBAspaceLAZER3000 on Apr 6, 2008 6:21 PM EDT reply actions  

i always thought pervis ellison’s hair was skanky…

by Andy Jick on Apr 6, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

the whole reason everyone likes them is because they are skanky…sex sells

by modawg3434 on Apr 6, 2008 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

That reporter should be fired or suspended. I think it’s amazing that people are acting like just because they don’t like the dancers it somehow means the dancers aren’t human and can just be casually insulted in a major paper like this.

by celticsmaniac on Apr 6, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Emailed the Pres of the globe, the sports editor of the globe, and Wyc. I’m not a fan of the dancers either, but trying to humiliate them publicly by calling them “skanks” in a publication like the Globe is unacceptable, low class behavior, and disgusting. The man owes each of those women an personal and public apology.

by tmcdon on Apr 6, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply actions  

There is a big difference in calling their manner of dress skanky and the dancers themselves skanky. He should have chosen his words more carefully. There are outfits of theirs that fit the definition, and having a 14 year old son, I am not real happy that they push this in his face as appropriate. He had the right idea for the question, but shouldn’t have done it in such an insulting way.

by EJPLAYA on Apr 6, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions  

“Skanky” might be a little harsh, but a lot of their routines are pretty tasteless. I mean, if somebody posted a video of their dances in the forums, the thread would be locked. That’s all that needs to be said about that particular brand of “entertainment”.

by Roy_Hobbs on Apr 6, 2008 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

If Bill Simmons said this, we’d be doing high fives with him. Just saying…

by bleedingreen on Apr 6, 2008 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

we as a society need to lighten up, so he called them skany, get over it, calling for the guys head because he chose to use an adjective that some people cant handle is a bit rough, it wasnt a racist remark, or a homophobic remark, he simply used a servere adjective to describe the dancers dress and dancing ruitines. He could have put the question in a gentler manner, but to fire the guy….come on!

by southieceltic33 on Apr 6, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

By the way, completely agree with the “bring back Jackie” sentiment. Hell, bring back Shira, too; I have a bit of a crush on her.

(Shira = good, Celtics dancers = not so much.)

by Roy_Hobbs on Apr 6, 2008 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Bill Simmons is just as big a jerk as Edgers. His personal attacks on Glenn over the past three years have been just as tasteless. I will never read another Bill Simmons article as long as he is writing, not support him in any way. He is a classes individual; Danny and Wyc would do right to bar him from ever attending a Celtics function in any capacity whatsoever, sending the message that the personal attacks he made on team employees are unacceptable and his patronage of the team, in any capacity, is not welcome.

by tmcdon on Apr 6, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

everyone with the exception of tmcdon, would be giving Bill Simmons high fives

by bleedingreen on Apr 6, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I wonder if Don Imus is watching the Women’s NCAA Final Four tonight?

by Andy Jick on Apr 6, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Most those chicks are Laker fans anyways… Who gives a crap. Give the skanks the boot.

by LarBrd33 on Apr 6, 2008 11:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Um, southieceltic33, “skanky” might not be strictly a racist word, but it is undeniably and unambiguously sexist. It’s a disgusting slur, and maybe I shouldn’t be but I’m surprised that some here don’t see this. Thanks, Jeff, for pointing it out.

by Ersatz on Apr 7, 2008 12:15 AM EDT reply actions  

That Globe reporter should be censured for his skankafobic remark.

by TripleOT on Apr 7, 2008 1:26 AM EDT reply actions  

it was kinda a skanky thing to say

by NBAspaceLAZER3000 on Apr 7, 2008 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow lol. I cant believe he said that. It’s kinda funny, but thats horrible for that guy to say. I guess I’ll play devil’s advocate here and say hey, whats so bad about em?? Every other team has em, are we so high and mighty that we shouldnt? They got cheerleaders at at high school and college games, cheerleaders in every sport. Plus regular cheerleading can get boring and corny. Now i havent seen them in person (i can hear people say “well then you cant talk” lol), but i dunno how bad they can be. They arent nekkid out there, right? He i dont go C’s games to see Lucky act like an idiot, i can go to a circus. I dont go to watch lil funk, i can watch America’s top dance crew on mtv. But it’s all part of the experience and entertainment of a C’s game – it’s part of the package. You might not like the whole package. I say so what, who cares. The dancers are cool by me…..

oh and Jeff, if you can. If/when this dude responds in anyway. Can you let us know? lol

by J.Money on Apr 7, 2008 9:46 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m kinda surprised no one made any mention of how he also referred to Mark Cuban…for a “journalist” I thought that remark was a bit off-handed as well…

by Andy Jick on Apr 7, 2008 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I never really had a problem with the dancers.
Then I took my 3-year old son to the Miami game last week.

by mcpu40 on Apr 7, 2008 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Their routines are a bit … risque for a basketball crowd, I agree. But to call them skanky is a bit of an attack on their character and really shouldn’t have got past the rewrite guy or the editors.

by dobbs on Apr 7, 2008 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

They are kinda skanky, to be sure.
I’m not afraid to say it here on this site.
But to put it in print, in the Boston Globe, is kind of Herald-esque…right?

by mcpu40 on Apr 7, 2008 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey, that could be one of our own daughters out there (or sister for the younger generation). I didn’t approve of them last year, but the times have changed and we all have to adjust.

Today’s kids like them as well as many of the parents I speak to. How about Lucky? is he a skank too? Where was lucky in the 80’s

The Celtic Dancers are fine…

But if that was my daughter on the Dance Team and he called my daughter a skank… I’d be down the Boston Globe’s office waiting for him… for sure…..

by Ancient Red on Apr 7, 2008 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I miss the phone booth with the money blowing around…

by MattD on Apr 7, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ll tell you what I don’t miss.. LOL The big hot air guy going around on the floor .. Give me a “C” give me an “E”………

by Ancient Red on Apr 7, 2008 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

MattD – AWESOME!

I’d forgotten about that stupid phone booth…I loved that thing!

by mcpu40 on Apr 7, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah that thing ruled!

by dobbs on Apr 7, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

To dismiss any ability to criticize an individuals movements or attire as being inappropriate, just because they may be someone’s daughter, is absolutely wrong Ancient Red. There are a lot of horrible people out there that are someone’s son or daughter. That doesn’t mean that they should be given a free pass. Sometimes a spade is a spade.

The guy should not have called the dancers themselves skanky, rather been specific about what they were doing or wearing and labeling that. He doesn’t know them personally. Some of them are probably really nice people, but I guarantee some of them are the label he called them. I’m betting you raised your daughter so that she wouldn’t act like that in the first place. I know my daughter wouldn’t consider dressing in most of what they do. It doesn’t make it correct though to not be able to voice concern about the appropriateness of entertainment that we are paying for. We are the customer in this situation and they aren’t moving/dressing in a way that I want my children acting. The more we ’’normalize’’ this type of behavior the more the next generation will follow suit. They will just have many that will push it up a notch. How far does it have to go before we say enough is enough? It should have been worded differently, but he is correct in his assessment.

by EJPLAYA on Apr 7, 2008 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Nobody needs to call out the dancers in a ‘family’ newspaper. Leave that to us jerks on the internets…

On a personal note, having uh, wandered into gentlemen’s clubs accidently in my past… I can tell you that the C’s dancers are respectable by comparison… Just sayin….

by LuckyNumber07 on Apr 7, 2008 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Newspapers aren’t ’’family’’ publications. How many times realistically do children read the paper. They are much more likely to read things on the web quite honestly. It doesn’t change the fact that his comments were inappropriate and worded poorly.

As far as the ‘’gentlemens club’’ analogy, I think you’re stretching the rationale a bit don’t you?! If someone is raping and killing people does that mean that someone beating their spouse is okay just because they aren’t as bad as the other behavior?! Come on. You are an adult and can choose that behavior. My kids don’t have a choice if we go to a Celtics game. I know I can choose to not go, but this is why things are being said to ownership. This way we maybe don’t have to make that choice.

by EJPLAYA on Apr 7, 2008 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

The dancers are very “LA” and the Celtics are the opposite of LA. I’ve come around on a lot of the entertainment but these dancers don’t do it. Wyc isn’t doing broad canvassing if he thinks most season ticket holders like them. Here’s what this season ticket holder likes – Heroes Among Us, the Foxwoods shot (but stop screening for people who have never touched a ball before), the national anthem (most times), Lucky’s flips and dunks, the show on the Jumbotron, and the Tshirts and Parachutes are clearly popular (if not with me). L’il Phunk is adorable.
The kids on the bikes and/or dunking gotta go (not even a bit cute). And, the dancers should be bought tickets to LA or Vegas. They are all pretty and might catch on there.

by Wildblu1 on Apr 7, 2008 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

The dancers routine and outfits can be skanky.

The hip gyrations.
The writhing on the floor.
The flipping back of the long blond hair…it’s all good.

I cannot compare their routine to that the other teams, but I’d imagine it’s league approved…and it sells tickets & beer.

I felt a bit uncomfortable with my little boy the, but he watched them, engaged to the Nth degree.
And as they left, he cheered ‘GO DANCING GIRLS!’.

Because that’s all they are.

by mcpu40 on Apr 7, 2008 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey Ej, WHOAH! My point is that a newspaper should newspapers should refrain from using the word ‘skanky’. Should they lob that a Britney and Lindsay and Paris? Where does that end?

Don’t get me wrong. I go to games to see the game. I don’t see the need for the dancers or the fireworks, etc. My 8 yr old is entertained by mascots or contests or whatever. The dancers don’t seem to register (yet).

I suspect the C’s ownership is providing what season ticket holders and luxury box owners want. They want what all the OTHER franchises have. Dancers, fireworks, video displays, etc, etc, etc.

I might not like it, but I suspect the company that drops 10k a year on tickets gets their vote heard…

by LuckyNumber07 on Apr 7, 2008 9:08 PM EDT reply actions  

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