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Reverse Jinx Attempt Aborted

Is this news?  Well, I guess after so much attention was given to his article, I suppose it does qualify.  Bill Simmons is now admitting that his Laker love article was just an attempt to pull the old reverse-jinx on the Celtics.

Bill Simmons: (12:03 PM ET ) I'm done with the reverse jinx thing - I spent 2 days crafting that last column and sold it too convincingly, there are some people back home who actually think I'm a Lakers fan now. I had a whole master plan to make up for what I did to the Pats in January but I'm abandoning it. Although I will say that I'm a little wounded that anyone from back home would ever think that I liked the Lakers and not the Celtics. There were some obvious clues in the Friday column that were right there ... I am amazed that anyone would think I would just blindly write that the Lakers are completely unbeatable when their backup big man for the 4-5 spots is Ronnie freaking Turiaf.

Now I still love Bill (if that hasn't changed by now, it never will) but even I have to admit that he gets a little big for his britches sometimes.  First he creates new stats on 82 games, then he campaigns to be the Bucks GM, now he believes he has the kind of karma pull it takes to influence the outcome of games.  It may be time for an intervention.  We just need to hold up a picture of Peter May and tell him, "This is what you are becoming.  Come back to us Bill."

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besides, Bill should know that we only win games when Master PO exits the chat at just the right moment and refuses to come back till after the game

oh yeah, and I have to be wearing my lucky Celtics shorts, or all bets are off

by Jeff Clark on Jun 2, 2008 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

when i originally saw the chat, i didn’t read it like he was admitting that it was a reverse jinx. weird.

by bostonfan23 on Jun 2, 2008 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Perfect, Jeff, just perfect!

by clover on Jun 2, 2008 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Thing about Simmons that has lost me—he only writes about the negatives. For example, hrefuses to acknowledge that Doc must have some redeeming qualities as a coach. Maybe because it’s easier to portray him as a characature/bumbling fool.

by Cousin It on Jun 2, 2008 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Eh, he’s still off the reservation, in my mind. I don’t buy that it was a reverse jinx at all. He just seems too unwilling to right that he was wrong about stuff.

by a tommy point on Jun 2, 2008 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Simmons has been the best sports columnist over the last 4-5 years. The fact that he writes so much about Boston sports is one of the best parts of ESPN.com. Think about it, we have THE sports columnist obsessed with the same team we are – he’s written so many “2001 SB win” level columns that he’s bought a 5 bad column pass from me… This reverse jinx thing was a little off but only because so much of it rang true! Everything looks different now that the C’s dispatched the Pistons in game 6 – if they had blown the Pistons out in game 5 we would have looked at BS’s column and said, “oh, this is obviously some kind of put on” but because we had just seen the C’s almost melt down, we were defensive and looking for reassurance from BS – I don’t know if he is aware of the role he plays in assuaging the fear and panic of Celtics fans, it seems like he might be. At any rate, he is the best and the days when he posts go by a little quicker…

by bbc3341 on Jun 2, 2008 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Ronnie Turiaf is a ton better than PJ Brown

by cmoney on Jun 2, 2008 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

now he believes he has the kind of karma pull it takes to influence the outcome of games

He does Jeff! And, so do you. Don’t sell yourself short. I will never forget your “I’m bored” post! LOL.

by libermaniac on Jun 2, 2008 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

aw quit it jeff, quit pretendin you and bill are boi’s

by bleedingreen on Jun 2, 2008 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

aren’t boi’s*

by bleedingreen on Jun 2, 2008 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

So now, if the Celtics lose in the finals instead of Bill taking credit for them winning due to the reverse jinx he can just blame us all for his decision to go back on the reverse jinx and shove a big “I told you so” article in our faces. In the words of the Church Lady, “How Conveeeeeeeeeeeeenient.” Look Bill, I loved you before you went all Fonzie on us, both in terms of jumping the shark and in overselling us on how cool you are.

Just write an honest piece will you? I can’t connect with you anymore, you are hidden behind that LA scene superficial facade… OK? No more crappuccinos! Get yourself a Dunkin Donuts coffee and lock yourself in a dark room with Morrissey – find your roots. You need to go Rocky IV, make the trip to Siberia, and train like you once did before you became a big star. I’m not kidding, the fact that so many of us misunderstood your column(s) – that was 3 in a row Mr. Negativity – was a symptom of something larger, not a one time over-reaction. Consider it…

by Jughead on Jun 2, 2008 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Let the guy get a pass. If I had a major column I wouldn’t talk about how the C’s were going to beat the lakers. I am freakish when it comes to jinxes. Must be wearing my C’s shorts, white t shirt, no shoes, and sitting on the edge of my ottoman. I’ve got a friend who talks like Bill Simmons whenever our college football team has a big game. That doesn’t make me hate him, it makes me laugh and that is just part of him being him. Let Bill be Bill.

by blake on Jun 2, 2008 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I call bs. He got a lot of flack and hates feeling unloved, so is now acting like it was some master plan (reverse jinx). How old is he? Isn’t he a little too old to be a professional writer and having his writing be influenced by jinxes? I don’t think he’s a Lakers fan, but I do believe he thought the Lakers were the team to beat before the playoffs, and i do think he believes they will be champions. he’ll be rooting for the Celtics, but I’m not buying this reverse jinx nonsense. He’s basically “misremembering” now.

by johnnyrondo on Jun 2, 2008 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Bill Simmons happens to be a very witty writer who is really good at exploiting his readers’ negativity, a very smart move on his part because negativity drives the human condition more than anything. Researchers have consistently shown that human beings react more to what they stand to lose than what they stand to gain. Marketers have exploited this to great effect (see “All Marketers Are Liars” – by Seth Godin).

Things are no different with Celtics fans after a loss. After all, we’re human beings. We want to know what went wrong; is this a temporary brain fart or a sympton of a more systemic problem? If we’re not blaming the coach, we’re blaming a trade or a player that we FEEL should never have been traded (ahem… AL Jefferson); or we’re questioning the intelligence of the General Manager’s choices; or a substitution that was or wasn’t made, etc etc. And while we may sometimes go overboard, these negative reactions are legitimate and perfectly human.

Never mind that when the same coach is winning, we give the credit to everyone but the coach. when the same Genemal Manager’s choices bear the desired fruits, we ascribe them to DUMB luck.

Simmons understands these dynamics and uses his columns to address those concerns. That he is so wrong so often and yet his words continue to carry so much weight with his fans goes to show how well his writing style fits his audience. But then again, his job is to assuage his readers’ already held negative opinions – his columns have this calming effect of divine insight; that there’s a perfectly legitimate explanation for the perceived shortcomings of our beloved team; that there is a simple solution to the team’s perceived problems; that we’re not alone in feeling the way we feel. Simmons’ is the Brotherhood of the Temporarily Depressed.

If people weren’t already inclined to believe what Simmons feeds them, Simmons would have no audience. But he is witty.

by The Village Idiot on Jun 2, 2008 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Also note to Bill: Your declining articles aren’t the reason the Pats lost and don’t have any effect on the C’s. Just wanted to let you know. Stop trying so hard to be bigger than you are. You’ve got a nice gig. Don’t try to be something that you’re not.

by johnnyrondo on Jun 2, 2008 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Didn’t like how he slammed the C’s for two articles in a row during the playoffs. First the Doc mockery, then the KG article about not being clutch (which has been written about 1000 times before). Not only does Simmons want the C’s to win, but to win by 20 each game, these are good teams they are playing (except Hawks). Look where KG has brought us from last year, look what he has done in the playoffs. Simmons is slowly turning into Shaughnessy. I still like him but I really expected good articles from him for these playoffs, its like he’s not enjoying it. This is amazing. The C’s are in the Finals! Last year they sucked!

by Powe 4 Pope on Jun 2, 2008 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Powe 4 Pope, you make a great point about the KG and Doc articles preceding the jinx article (which I also alluded to) but just to add emphasis to the point that we should be calling shenanigans is the fact that Bill has been saying these things about Doc since before he supposedly jinxed the Pats. It’s one thing to have a single negative article and call it a jinx, it’s another to have three in a row with recurring pre-jinx themes and then expect everyone to “get it”

by Jughead on Jun 2, 2008 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Justin, you hit the nail on the head. He wasn’t trying to ‘reverse jinx’ (what that is and how it is supposed to work, I’ll never know) the Celtics before the Pats lost. Nope, almost everything he had to say in his podcasts about the C’s largely revolved around Lebron being the destroyer of worlds that the Celtics could not possibly stop under any circumstances and Doc as evil-incarnate. Other than the KG4MVP lapse, he’s been rather consistent in his quasi anti-C’s analysis.

It’s even worse when you consider how much he’s dumped on Doc and how that’s skewed the coach’s rep so badly in many fans (and even media members) minds.

by a tommy point on Jun 2, 2008 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Simmons’ writing has become – even moreso that it was already – all about Bill Simmons. That’s the fatal flaw of sportswriters (as well as players and referees, but that’s a topic for another day). It’s just SO masturbatory at this point; Bill Simmons columns are becoming a cliche of Bill Simmons columns.

by the_Bird on Jun 2, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I really don’t care. This guy is an arrogant clown who has always irked me. I hope he chokes on the LA smog.

by aliendave on Jun 2, 2008 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s even worse when you consider how much he’s dumped on Doc and how that’s skewed the coach’s rep so badly in many fans (and even media members) minds.

This is yet another great point in this thread. Nobody is going to say that Doc is amazing coach in terms of X’s and O’s, but Simmons backed himself into a bad corner with this vehement criticism regarding Doc beginning a year and half ago. I am quite sure he said that the Celtics could never win a championship with Doc at the helm. Then, when he went after KG, he boxed himself into a corner. He can’t write the article saying, “I guess you can win a championship with a horrible coach as long as you have KG.” That retraction article would now be titled, “Whoddathunk It?! Celtics win an NBA championship with the worst coach in the league and the most un-clutch superstar ever to lock up HOF status before the age of 25.” Seriously, has he left himself any room to celebrate?! He may not be rooting for the Lakers to win, but he just might be rooting for the Celtics to lose…

by Jughead on Jun 2, 2008 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Please read that comment at the start of your next CSL broadcast, Justin. No more need be said on this issue. You win. ;)

by a tommy point on Jun 2, 2008 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

:D Fair Enough – I do like to argue with myself sometimes though. Schizphrenic behavior? Maybe. But I’m holding down a job and supporting a family thanks to the meds…

by Jughead on Jun 2, 2008 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I call bs. He got a lot of flack and hates feeling unloved, so is now acting like it was some master plan (reverse jinx).

That’s my take on it, as well. The man just can’t take criticism.

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 2, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

to be fair, I’m not sure how I’d handle 500 emails from people blaming me for the Patriots losing the Super Bowl – I’d like to think that I’d brush it off as nonsense, but who knows?

by Jeff Clark on Jun 2, 2008 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Hahaha Jeff – admittedly, none of us would take it well, but would we then take out our conflicted feelings on the Celtics?! It’s definitely time for the intervention. This has all the behavior patterns of an addicted and abusive personality.

Man falls on hard times and abuses the ones he loves the most :P

(Let me add that was completely satirical)

by Jughead on Jun 2, 2008 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

One last point…

All my criticism of Simmons is actually a reverse jinx. I’m guarding against a total collapse of his career with my negativity towards his recent columns on the Celtics.

by Jughead on Jun 2, 2008 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

to be fair, I’m not sure how I’d handle 500 emails from people blaming me for the Patriots losing the Super Bow

Look, if you actually believe (and I mean truly completely believe, not just for fun) in such things as “jinxes” or “curses” then you are an idiot, plain and simple. How many of the people who emailed BS to blame him for the loss were true believers? I can’t imagine it was all that many. More than likely the majority of them were just blowing off steam. BS isn’t an idiot, he’s just a putz. He’s actually probably a pretty smart guy, but definitely a putz. Let’s not make excuses for his completely unwarranted arrogance and negativity.

by aliendave on Jun 2, 2008 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

The thing I have a problem is that he seems to really believe in this whole “jinx” thing. And if he really does, then why doesn’t he just write about what it’s like seeing his favorite team back in the finals vs their classic rival. It’s not like he has to say they’re definitely going to win (ala Patriots), but he could at least give us some insight on what he’s thinking right now, rather than that terrible, “sarcastic” column about how no one could beat the lakers.

by Sun Devil on Jun 2, 2008 4:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Bill, if you’re reading these post you must be filled with wonderment that so many have given so much though to your writings ! Bill is always a good/fun read..and he’s a Celtic fan, good enough for me…

by Fastbreak on Jun 2, 2008 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I call BS as well. He got called out and now he’s back tracking cause of how Boston played against Detroit in game 6. Stick by your words Billy. There all you have left.

by Birdbrain on Jun 2, 2008 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Can’t wait to read his preview column!!

by celty86 on Jun 2, 2008 9:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I am confused and that may cause me to erroneously reverse jinx a reverse jinx which I think may be like holding a mirror up to a mirror….man stuff like that scares me.

by Master Po on Jun 2, 2008 11:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Turiaf is better than PJ?? BWAAAAAHHHHHAAAHAHAHAAWAHH

oh my god, that is awesome.

The lakers bench is not as good as ours and its a fairly wide spread provided Doc has the sense to go with how ever is hot in the House/Sam, Baby/Powe rotation. But We also have Posey and PJ at 6 and 7. Important? Well, Posey is gonna fudge up Kobe, for one thing and win another ring

by wahz on Jun 3, 2008 12:47 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t get why, if it’s true he was reverse-jinxing, he didn’t weather the storm and hold true to his guns. Now he’s made a bunch of people mad at him for no reason.

I don’t read his columns; how anti-Celtics was it?

by FierceLikePaulPierce on Jun 3, 2008 3:26 AM EDT reply actions  

I hope Eddie and Leon get burn to go with Posey and PJ this series. That’s our BENCH!!

by celty86 on Jun 3, 2008 5:29 AM EDT reply actions  

My 2 cents… I think Bill was trying too hard to be objective & not being a homer, and he took it too far the other way.

Just be you Bill. Enough with the Jinx’s, & trying not to be a homer. You are you, that is what got you where you are, don’t change now.

Your team is in the freakin Finals! Let’s get it PuMPeD UP!!

by BonK on Jun 3, 2008 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I am confused and that may cause me to erroneously reverse jinx a reverse jinx which I think may be like holding a mirror up to a mirror….man stuff like that scares me.

Thanks, Po, that`s what I needed. ;D
What I figured out:
People are mad at BS because he didn`t say the Celtics would win. As i noticed in the forum threads, they don`t think a real fan says something like that. They behave as if our faith is the deciding factor for our team`s success. Call me what you want, but I find this very superstitious.

BS comes out and says it was just a reverse-jinx, which many thought to be a possible answer to why he wrote such a negative article in the first place. Now, the same people who blamed him for his lack of faith call him arrogant if he`d really think he has the power to jinx a team. They blame him for being superstitious.

sigh

Is it the Internet or me?

by Casperian on Jun 3, 2008 9:34 AM EDT reply actions  

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