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Whoa.  How we suddenly became five days removed from the NBA draft so quickly, I'll never know.  It seems like it's absolutely flown by (which means five fewer days until opening day of next season!), but we at the NBA page have been so enraptured with chronicling the experiences of draft night itself and scouting the Celtics' picks that we haven't really had a chance to just go through the ins and outs of the selections from Thursday night.

It is time to do just that.  So without further ado, to the bullet points we go to highlight some of the possibly more intriguing ramifications of the entrance of the class of '08 to the Association:

  • I love what the Blazers did in the first round.  My pal Acks the Unabashed Kevin Pritchard Basher has been in my ear for most of the last year about the Portland GM's unmatched ability to bring in mediocre stopgaps to play the point.  Acquiring Jerryd Bayless gives the Blazers the best shot they've had in quite some time at a true long-term solution at the position.  Of course, Acks isn't thrilled because of Bayless' possession of the dreaded combo guard label, but the fact remains that this guy has more of a chance to become a big deal in this league than any of his recent predecessors (Jarrett Jack, Steve Blake, Sergio Rodriguez) in Portland.  He has adequate size and the ability to be an explosive scorer, and the presence of captain Brandon Roy in the back-court alongside him means that there will be two guys that can handle the basketball and facilitate the offense, thus perhaps turning Bayless' versatility into even more of a help than a hindrance.  In a draft full of players with the combo label, the Blazers went out and got one of the best available and in Brandon Rush gave up a nice player but not a piece they needed.  This Portland team now has four very solid young contributors in Bayless, Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge and Greg Oden.  The pieces only continue to fall into place.
  • Last Thursday morning, the Bucks had a hole at the small forward position.  By Thursday night, they had Richard Jefferson, Joe Alexander and Luc Richard Mbah a Moute.  Now, rumor is that they are trying to trade their two (Michael Redd) and four (Charlie Villanueva).  As usual, label me confused by the goings-on in Milwaukee.

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  • Good-bye, Raymond Felton.  Or at least that would seem to be what the Bobcats were saying when they drafted Texas point guard D.J. Augustin with the ninth pick.  Felton is just three years removed from being the fifth overall pick out of North Carolina, and his scoring and assists numbers have risen each season.  Though he shot a career high from the field this season, that only amounted to 41.3 percent, and his inconsistency and inability to score with efficiency or defend all that well at this level seem to have finally been too much for the 'Cats.  One would have to imagine they were really tired of him if a Charlotte team with a Tar Heel executive and Tar Heel coach was willing to show such little faith in a former Heel point guard.  Too bad.  Felton has exciting quickness and can really push the ball up and down the floor.  Here's hoping he gets a chance to get some serious minutes elsewhere this season.  He's still got the potential to become a very nice player in this league.
  • The fallen stock of DeAndre Jordan remains a shock to me.  I'll have to eat some crow here given that I rather roundly guaranteed in the forums that there was no conceivable way Jordan would be available when the Celts were picking at thirty.  As usual, shows what I know.  As raw as Jordan is -- and I certainly wasn't wowed by his game when I saw him play in person this year -- in a league so obsessed with physique and combine scores, it's still hard to believe that no one wanted to take a chance on this guy prior to the Clippers with the 35th pick.  He has an enormous wingspan, superb leaping ability and good quickness and strength for a man who stands 7 feet tall and some 250 pounds.  Alexis Ajinca and his five points per game in France had more appeal to the 'Cats than this guy?  The we're-officially-playing-for-LeBron Nets didn't want to take a shot on a guy who could become a monster on the interior?  The Pistons aren't looking for a long-term center project?  Certainly, we've seen more than enough players fall victim to that dangerous 'p' word and what happens when it never gets realized, but this is still a surprise.  It would be nice to see him turn into a solid player out in LA for the little brother Clippers.
  • Not entirely sure what's ultimately going on in Indiana, but credit Larry Joe Legend for his willingness to change direction and shake things up.  With T.J. Ford, Jarrett Jack, Brandon Rush and Roy Hibbert all coming aboard, this Indy team is going to look very different next season.  Ford loves to run, and Rush has made it clear that he has no qualms about getting up and down either, so both should fit very well in Jim O'Brien's run-and-gun system.  Hibbert is another story, and one wonders how much of a hindrance his lack of athleticism will be for Obie's crew.
  • Having done a lot of ripping on O.J. Mayo for all the stories about his misconduct and ego that came out through the beginning of his tenure at USC, I feel obliged to mention that from listening to both of them talk between media day and the draft, it seems worth admitting that Mayo strikes me as considerably more put together than Michael Beasley does.  Just the vibe I'm getting right now.
  • Speaking of Beasley, Brandon Guarneri over at Men's Fitness theorizes that MB is the player in this draft who could be most snakebitten by the fact that he's had such an easy time this far in his basketball career.  Brandon Rush talked on media day about how effortless Beasley made the game look in college, and Guarneri wondered aloud to me at the draft as to whether Beasley will have a tougher time adjusting to the NBA than many expect because he may not be ready to really put in the work needed to become a big-time player in this league.  Personally, here's thinking the guy is already too good to be much in the way of a bust, but he certainly could be the sort of dude who always leaves us wanting more.  This will be particularly worth monitoring over the first couple of years of MB's career.
  • One more note on the number two pick: Friday morning's column featured a mention of a discussion with Ric Bucher in which the ESPN analyst suggested that we should be looking out for a Beasley-for-Mayo swap that may be yet to come between Miami and Memphis.  In the interest of diversity of opinion, I brought this up to the Miami Herald's Sarah Rothschild, who isn't buying: "I still think Beasley is in a Heat uniform opening night.  The Heat seem high on Beasley and realize he could be a fixture for the next 10-15 years.  I think the Heat liked Mayo but also wanted to try to show as much interest in him as possible in hopes of attracting more trade offers."
  • Chalk up Mario Chalmers for "second rounder most likely to become an immediate NBA mainstay" honors.  He's a point guard from a winning college system with a high basketball IQ, adequate size (6-foot-2, 170 pounds), excellent judgment (2.3:1 assist-to-TO ratio last year), no fear of the clutch and high efficiency from the field.  In his final year at Kansas, this guy shot 51.6 percent from the field and 46.8 percent from deep.  His scoring, rebounding, field-goal shooting and three-point shooting improved every year in college.  His turnover numbers dipped every year in college.  He's a steal for the Heat, who got him at 34th overall from Minnesota.  Just because a guy isn't projecting to be a star doesn't mean it isn't worth having a likely very solid player on the team at the point.

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whew, lots of info to digest. portland is the team to beat in the west. they might not be the best right now, but they are the best put together,top to bottom. the x factor is oden and how fast he develops. my bet is he is rookie of the year. watching the c’s when they had all the puppies, puppies take time to grow. if the new pup is a new piece on an established team that’s the one that will win. the team that won’t win now but will be fun to watch is indiana-too many pups. good luck larry.

by nazzbo on Jul 1, 2008 6:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

While I’m fully aware that it takes time for PGs and centers to develop and adjust to the NBA game and that size, athleticism and college dominance portend possible future NBA stardom there are too many examples that these yardsticks aren’t enough.

How to determine future stardom? The tendency has been to place too much emphasis on the offensive side of the ball while overlooking level of competition and a player’s ability to make his teammates better. This last requirement presupposes a high basketball IQ and an equal emphasis on the defensive side of the ball. One helps his teammates by setting the table for them by acting as the decoy and by gaining ball possessions for more team offense.

Gaining ball possessions occurs through steals, ball deflections (into the hands of teammates), rebounding and solid defense that forces opponents into rushed offense (allowing missed shots and more team rebounding opportunities).

Traditionally rebounds are the province of BIGS inside providing that they have sufficient size, lateral quickness, good hands and determination. Missing from this listing is the basketball IQ to anticipate where the ball will be on a missed shot and how to circumvent being boxed out.

How then can one explain an UNDERSIZED PG (or SG) having better rebounding statistics than the bigs that he plays against? How did Dennis Rodman enjoy such gaudy rebounding success against so many inside bigs? Apart from his immaturity, why was Dennis regarded as a premier defender and KEY player when his offense was rudimentary?

By now you should know where this discussion is going. It’s meant to emphasize the rarity that an undersized player can exert dominance. Success through defensive effort and rebounding skills presupposes great athleticism and something more. It presupposes an added dimension to a player’s game, a quality akin to all great players.

Therein lies the logic for the selection of Giddens when other quality guards were available. Therein provides the reasoning for passing on DeAndre Jordan (basically a physical specimen only). Therein lies the hype yet questions about the future dominance of Greg Oden (a “can’t-miss” center) if only his continued health and basketball IQ permit).

by moskqq on Jul 1, 2008 8:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As usual, label me confused by the goings-on in Milwaukee.

Well, then, allow me to help clarify things, seeing as how I’m a transplanted Celtics fan who until about a month ago lived 2 blocks from the Bradley Center :)

The general rumblings out of Milwaukee are that the team erred a great deal in trading Ford for Charlie V. Yeah, I know; big shock to anyone who even casually watches the NBA. But right now the papers complain about how the two-headed PG the Bucks have in Charlie Bell and Mo Williams just isn’t getting it done effectively (even if Williams is the Bucks’ answer to Leon Powe or Big Baby: a popular player who gets WAY more hype than his statistics necessarily warrant.) Yet perhaps the even more pressing issue for the Bucks is that they have virtually no rebounding or scoring presence down in the post. An odd thing to say for a team that has Andrew Bogut, you argue? I’ll concede that. But while Bogut tends to get his points and boards, watching him in person at any time will show you quickly that he is far from a post presence. He doesn’t defend centers well; he’s easily pushed out of position under the boards; he gets in foul trouble so frequently because of stupid ticky-tack fouls he commits. I saw one game where he drew 3 fouls in 10 minutes of play (6 in the first quarter, 4 in the second), and all of them came when he went for strips of the ball from the opponent’s PG on the perimeter.

What does this have to do with Charlie V? Well, the Bucks traded for him so that he could provide some rebounding. They didn’t expect him to be Shaq down low, but they figured he could bang a little. But it’s just like people here have said: Charlie V has the talent but absolutely no motivation to apply it consistently. It’s gotten to the point where Charlie V isn’t even put into games sometimes despite their having no real viable alternative after Yi. The Bucks need to get rid of him, though they probably should have done so a year ago when his value was higher. They traded for Jefferson because, come on, only the most passionate Yi supporters would argue that getting out of Bobby Simmons’ contract AND trading a frustratingly inconsistent player in Yi for a proven swingman and scorer in RJ isn’t an incredible deal. They drafted Alexander because . . . well, I don’t really know why; my coworkers and I really thought they were going to go with Augustin or Anthony Randolph (Still, he shot up draft boards, and everyone I’ve talked to seems to really like him, so I’ll give them a “They know more than me” pass on this one.) And, regardless of what everyone around me seems to be arguing, they drafted Mbah a Moute to play as a power forward. I mean, come on. I haven’t watched every UCLA game the guy’s played, but he’s 6’8 and was always down inside whenever I saw him play. Frankly, they probably could have gone with another player, but they knew what they needed was aggressiveness and boards, and they tried to get them.

As for Redd, it’s all financial. He’s not a bad guy, and Bucks fans really do love him. But his contract is an enormous albatross around the club’s neck, and they need to get out from under it. Plus, the fans are aware of that, and so their support has become a bit more muted, which really isn’t fair to a guy like Redd who has been nothing short of a perfect community member and team player. Plus, between Bogut and Williams, the ball isn’t in Redd’s hands nearly as often as it should be for a player like him. At one point, I was hearing a lot of Redd-for-Wally rumors, but Wally’s a TERRIBLE fit for a Scott Skiles offense; the only reason to do that is to cut payroll, and I doubt the Bucks can make that kind of move with a guy like Redd. What most of the papers around here are reporting now is that Skiles plans to move RJ to the 2 if they trade Redd, since he played it before in New Jersey. Size-wise it’s a great mismatch for the Bucks, though I don’t know if he’ll be able to handle the quicker SGs in the league. But assuming they do move Redd and don’t get back anyone who can really beat anyone out at the 3 or 4, they’re looking at a lineup 1-5 of:

Williams
RJ
Mason/Alexander
Alexander/Mbah a Moute
Bogut

I mean, look at their roster right now: http://www.nba.com/bucks/roster/ The Knicks may have a bloated payroll, but at least they have a few guys who can play. Short of Williams, RJ, Bogut, and maybe Mason, NONE of these guys would crack the rotation of a halfway decent team. I like them as people; I’ve met a couple of them at some formal functions, and they seem friendly enough. But Ivey? Sessions? Ruffin? Jake freakin’ Voshkuhl? If I suggested any of these guys be traded to the Celtics, I’d be thrown right off this board.

That’s what’s going on with the Bucks. They’re so screwed right now that John Hammond’s plan is basically to get rid of as many of the bad parts as possible, and that means Charlie V’s attitude and Redd’s contract. Hope this clears things up :)

by BUTerrier on Jul 1, 2008 9:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chalmers was an excellent pickup for the Miami Heat. Both Miami and Chalmers are very fortunate because this is a terrific situation for him. He doesn’t have the ingenuity to be a starting point guard in this league unless he has a top playmaking wing or combo guard alongside him … enter in Dwyane Wade. It’s a match made in heaven. Good defense, incredible shooting, steady point play. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he were starting next season. Chalmers can be the next Derek Fisher.

I don’t believe the Michael Redd trade rumours. You don’t trade Redd after acquiring a bad contract and non-all-star small forward, what you do is you keep Redd and try to win. If they move Redd now for cap flexibility they’ll be lucky to break last season’s win total. What’s the gain? Losing Yi? They’re trying to build a winner and build it quickly. It’ll be interesting to see what they do next.

Bayless is in a terrific situation with the Portland Trailblazers. Another guy who couldn’t start at the point without a combo guard next to him – Brandon Roy. Also playing for one of the best coaches in the league who develops talent very well and played the position himself. Bayless plays good defense and Nate will give him court time. Bayless also has Steve Blake to lean on for some pointers as a rook. Very nice situation.

The Raymond Felton situation is fair game. He’s had three years and the only thing he’s proven is that he’s incapable of running a team. They’ll shop him and try to get a good player back, perhaps Charlie V (how high can Felton’s trade value be?). One thing to bear in mind is that Larry Brown said that Augustin is unlikely to start so maybe they’ll keep Felton for the short term.

The Indiana Pacers aren’t convincing me of anything. They became worse and locked themselves into mediocrity for a longer period of time with their two trades. Wonder what they’ll do next.

by Who on Jul 1, 2008 2:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I actually like the Bucks moves so far. I think Alexander will surprise a lot of people. I can even see him playing on the same front-line with Jefferson and Bogut. He is strong, athletic and tough. Probably the toughest guy in the draft.
The Bucks ranked 20th in offense last season and 23rd in defense. The offense immediately improves with Jefferson and Alexander. The main question for the Bucks now is defense. Maybe Jefferson and Alexander help in this area, but Bogut and Williams are weak.

by DJ to Bird on Jul 1, 2008 3:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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