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Bidding On Posey Begins

It is July 1st so that means the bidding war for James Posey has officially begun.  It also seems clear that the price has been outlined.  He's going to get the full Mid Level from someone, it is just a matter of how long the contract is.  I think the Celtics would like to keep it to 3 years, but everyone knows that.  Will someone offer him 4 or even 5 years to jump ship?  Here's a list of bidders from the Herald.

Posey’s hometown Cleveland Cavaliers are said to be putting together an offer, in addition to the Detroit Pistons, New Orleans Hornets, Los Angeles Lakers and Houston Rockets. New Jersey, which came close to signing Posey last summer before he was talked into going with the Celtics, also may revisit the situation, though like most teams the Nets are carving out cap space for 2010, when big names like LeBron James, Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade could hit the free agent market.

Seems like our biggest hope is that teams are indeed trying to save cap space for future years.  Still, it only takes one team to add in an extra year.

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Give Posey 4 years and be done with it.

by Bankshot on Jul 1, 2008 7:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If we had kept or plan on keeping Tony I wouldn’t hesitate to give Posey full MLE. If Tony is not in the plans, then this needs a little bit of more consideration because the holes to fill suddenly increase by 1 and with limited resources to fill them.

We’ll see, Danny should know what he’s doing… I hope.

by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 1, 2008 8:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Give Posey 4 years and be done with it.

No doubt. We have to do whatever it takes to keep this guy. No Posey, no 2008 banner. This is a great team, it’s not time to pinch pennies and let the core of the team drift apart. Letting Posey go would be the stupidest move Danny ever made. This would not be like letting Ben Wallace get away after we have him in training camp; with Posey we know what we have, we’ve seen him all year, he was one of the anchors of this team. While Rondo and Perkins are probably more important in the long term, Posey was probably the 4th best player on the team at any given moment this year. The lift he gives the team is huge. Don’t be cheap Danny! Bring Posey back!

by dooyork on Jul 1, 2008 8:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Posey should take the full MLE for 3 years. If he wont settle for that kind of money at this age, to try to win a championship again, then let him walk. Anyone that gives him 4 or 5 years is overpaying him A LOT OF MONEY. Posey would make 6 mil or so for 3 years. If you give him more than 3 years than your gonna be paying 6-7 mil a season to a guy thats 34 years old. That is not a smart move. Especially for a team that will have to resign Rondo, Powe, BBD, and this years rookies.

We could lock up a guy like Pietrus for less money and he is 5 years younger. He can defend and shoot the 3 just like Posey. More than anything I would like to keep James Posey, but when it comes down to a guy asking for a contract that will put the team in a bad financial situation, I think you need to look somewhere else.

by PRIDE on Jul 1, 2008 8:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m taking down names, people signing up for 4 years are not allowed to complain in year 4 if he’s broken down and vastly overpaid :P (just kidding, …sort of)

by Jeff Clark on Jul 1, 2008 8:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

don’t know how the cap works,but i would give posey more for a short term contract, less for 4-5 years.

by nazzbo on Jul 1, 2008 8:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How do you think that makes the NETS feel?

Sports are so stupid…or at least the owners think the fans are.

Nets GM: ‘We will be uncompetitive for the next 2-3 years, but you just wait fans…we’ll have #23 after he’s been beaten to a pulp in Cleveland during the next couple/few seasons’.

Oh, and we may be in Brooklyn so…sorry.

by mcpu40 on Jul 1, 2008 8:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The logic of paying Scal 3 million a year makes it illogical not to consider Posey for a 4 year MLE. While Posey may prove to be overpayed in his 4th (or even 5th) year, Scal has been grossly OVERPAYED since he was signed when considering respective production. One pays for on the court performance and dishes out $60,000,000 for a chance at #17 (DONE!), #18, #19? Why pay $60,000 for a Lexus and then refuse to pay another $12,000 for maintenance (kowing full well that the maintenance fee is too high but understanding that you are sacrificing the $60,000 original investment without it).

by moskqq on Jul 1, 2008 8:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We Keep Posey AT ALL COST. as simple as that. He was an essential piece to a championship team & will be hard to replace. Lets not mention the value of keeping a team together. Can’t keep playing musical chairs with teams, that’s the whole freakin’ problem with the NBA today.

by Pashm on Jul 1, 2008 8:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jeff said:
  I’m taking down names, people signing up for 4 years are not allowed to complain in year 4 if he’s broken down and vastly overpaid smilies/tongue.gif (just kidding, …sort of)

Disagree. If the Celtics win 2 or even just 1 more championship in the next 4 years, then even if Posey gets injured and doesn’t play another day during his 3rd or 4th year, it would still have been worth it to get another championship out of him.

by Bankshot on Jul 1, 2008 8:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Paying Scali 3 mill a year for 5 years has absolutely NOTHING to do with what we offer Po-sey moskqq. One illogical move should bear no weight on what we do now with Po-sey.

Offer somebody what you think they are worth AND STOP!!! Don’t get into a bidding war, and don’t start playing mind games that somehow Scali’s salary justifies anything else. If it justifies anything it is that sometimes DA can be 100% “spot-on” perfect and other times he might as well have picked names out of a hat and svedthe air fare to scout someone (Dickau, Googs, Scali etc etc.).

 "’It has been said that a man is three things. What he thinks he is, what others think he is, and what he really is.’

Posey is very very good but let’s take a deep breathe and hope DA usues prudence.

by Master Po on Jul 1, 2008 8:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jeff said:
I’m taking down names, people signing up for 4 years are not allowed to complain in year 4 if he’s broken down and vastly overpaid smilies/tongue.gif (just kidding, …sort of)


Disagree. If the Celtics win 2 or even just 1 more championship in the next 4 years, then even if Posey gets injured and doesn’t play another day during his 3rd or 4th year, it would still have been worth it to get another championship out of him.

Agree with Bankshot. We’re not in a rebuilding mode where we should be thinking about the what happens 4 years from now. There is a pretty short window of opportunity with KG, Ray, and Paul. I say all that matters is trying to win banner 18 in 2009. When it’s time to rebuild, rebuild, but this team is not on the way down, it’s at the pinnacle, and has to win right now. We have to bring Posey back, end of story.

by dooyork on Jul 1, 2008 8:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that’s fine, I’m not necessarily saying it isn’t worth it to sign him – I’m just saying that we can’t complain about it 3 years from now – you live with these decisions for years

I tend to think you offer him 3 and if he gets 4 elsewhere, you consider matching it – I just don’t think it is an easy slam-dunk decision to give him 4

by Jeff Clark on Jul 1, 2008 9:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can they give him the MLE for three years and then have the following year or two at a reduced price?

by amenhotep04 on Jul 1, 2008 9:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re MasterPo: Making one illogical move does not justify making another (i.e., signing Posey to an “illogical” contract…)

The wisdom of YOUR Chinese proverb is misplaced in that Posey is not Scal nor has Scal ever been as important to this team as Posey. One illogical move should not prejudice future decisions when the commodity being decided has the potential for us to revisit #18.

In years 3 and 4 (with Ray Allen off the books) Posey’s contract will cost the club much less ( we’ll be under the salary cap) than years 2 and 3 (where everyone seems to agree that Posey is worth the "Luxury Tax BITE). Proverbs do have their limitations but they are entertaining…..

by moskqq on Jul 1, 2008 9:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The last sentence of my previous post is confusing. What I meant to say was that if Posey gets a 4 year MLE and we retain the BIG THREE (especially Ray Allen for the remaining 2 years of his contract), then the first 2 years of Posey’s new 4 year contract will cost the club twice the MLE (we’ll be over the salary cap) but for the last two years of Posey’s contract (with Ray Allen gone) we’ll be UNDER the salary cap and Posey’s contract will cost the club half. Thus the cost to retain Posey for 4 years isn’t as “illogical” as some would assume.

It is possible that despite his advancing age Posey could still be a productive player throughout his 4 year contract!

by moskqq on Jul 1, 2008 10:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don’t we have a “Bird” exemption for Posey? I’m confused how these things work. Anyways, If we can sign Scalabrine for 5 years at $3M, then Posey at $5M for 4-5 years is a no brainer for me. I don’t think age is a factor for his style of play.

by afflatus on Jul 1, 2008 11:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If someone offers him five, that’s their problem. Who knows what our team or Posey will be like then?

by MBurke15 on Jul 1, 2008 12:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If it takes four years, I say do it. He’s only going to be 34 then, and it’s not like he plays 40 minutes a game. Compare him to Horry, who’s 37 and has just the last two years gone into a bad decline. Works for me.

by Ersatz on Jul 1, 2008 12:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’d give him 3 years full MLE or let him walk. Posey’s a great role player but franchises ruin themselves in this league precisely by overpaying role players. I remember everyone was saying we just HAD to resign Rodney Rogers after the 2002 run and then we watched him become an albatross in NJ. I’m not comparing the two, I’m just saying you can’t just adopt a strategy of giving FAs whatever they want. You have to have a plan and be disciplined within your objectives. Posey must be evaluated within that framework and a decision reached. You can’t just let agents own you or you become the Knicks..

by JHTruth on Jul 1, 2008 12:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ersatz. Great obervation.

by The Real Large James on Jul 1, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You don’t hurt the future of your team to keep role players. Posey should get plenty of money for 3 years and if that isn’t good enough for him and his agent then its just GREED and we need to let him walk. If Posey wants to be here like he says he does, he’ll take the 3 year deal.

by PRIDE on Jul 1, 2008 3:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here’s to hopeing Scal goes Barron Davis on us and ops out and frees up some more cap space. Ha Ha

by Bidder225 on Jul 1, 2008 3:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t worry too much about a 4 year deal. Chances are he’ll be shaky that final season but if he can give good production in the first three years I can live with that. A 5 year deal is stretching it too far for my liking, I get off the boat at that point. I can live with four.

………

I’m surprised to see New Orleans Hornets make the list. Very surprised. They’re mentioned as Posey suitors in a lot of different places though so there must be something to that. Julian Wright is a terrific young player who for my money is a better defender than Posey already. Why add an old vet that’s in his way? Makes no sense to me.

by Who on Jul 1, 2008 4:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree with Bankshot and others. Give James 4 years if that is what it takes. Another title would be well worth the money. Would hate to lose him just because of an extra year.

by scndtony on Jul 1, 2008 4:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just read in Boston Globe (Marc Spears) that C’s have made offer to Posey and Maggette.

by TrueGreen on Jul 1, 2008 4:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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