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Celtics Sign Patrick O'Bryant

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Marc Spears reports:

The Celtics have signed Warriors free agent center Patrick O'Bryant to a two-year deal, according to NBA sources. The 7-foot-0, 260-pounder was the ninth overall pick out of Bradley in the 2006 NBA Draft by Golden State, but played sparingly in two seasons. The Celtics worked out O'Bryant, who is expected to backup center Kendrick Perkins, a week ago at their training facilty in Waltham.

Well, that caught me a little off guard.  I was sure we'd go with the Birdman, but it seems like O'Bryant is the choice at backup center.

At one point O'Bryant was a lottery pick but that may have been aided by a couple of big games in the NCAA Tourney and that extra hype that big men get around draft day.

Bottom line: He was a bust for the Warriors.  Consider this Don Nelson quote:

"I told him if he goes down to the D-League and isn't a dominant player, there should be red flags all over the place, and he should be the first to notice. He's not only not dominating, he's not playing very well. He's a long-term project. I really liked him the first week of training camp, but I assumed there would be great progress. He hasn't gotten better one bit."

So is this guy a seven foot Gerald Green?  Time will tell.

I'm not optimistic about his chances of suddenly "getting it" and turning into the guy that he was drafted to be.  However, as long as his contract is of the minimum variety, this can't hurt too much.  At worst he spends a lot of time in the D-League and wastes a roster spot. 

At best, he could spend some quality time with Coach Clifford Ray and become a good backup center option.

Surprising move, but I don't have any problems with it.

Update: The Celtics must have seen something in their workout of this guy that others didn't.  Note this report from the Globe:

The Celtics continued their search for a big man by working out Patrick O'Bryant, Golden State's first-round pick (ninth overall) out of Bradley in 2006.

The 7-foot center showed decent range and solid footwork taking feeds in the post. But when he hit the low post against Wisconsin's Brian Butch and Detroit Mercy's Ryvon Covile, who had each been practicing since 9 in the morning, O'Bryant was tugging at his shorts not even 15 minutes into the drill, struggling to muster enough strength to defend either.

Celtics spokesman Jeff Twiss pointed out that O'Bryant arrived in Boston at 1 a.m., although he tired quickly against players who had been on the court all morning. O'Bryant took the court at approximately 11 a.m.

Not exactly inspiring stuff.

Update: According to Foxsports , it's a one year deal at the minimum, with a second year team option.

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No word on financials yet. Let’s hope this was for the minimum, because O’Bryant is a stiff, and the thought of limiting our options for legitimate free agents to sign him is unsettling, to say the least.

by Roy_Hobbs on Jul 11, 2008 3:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Would have rather had “The Birdman.” This guy plays way too passively for my liking. Hopefully KG and Perk can toughen him up.

by OKC Celtic on Jul 11, 2008 3:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This has to be for the minimum. No way we offered him more…

by thebirdman on Jul 11, 2008 3:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wowser. I sure hope Clifford Ray was an active part of working this guy out.

by no kidding on Jul 11, 2008 3:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am glad we get to try him out, knowing Ray, KG, Paul will help him out and probably make him looks pretty good out there.

by yupitsme on Jul 11, 2008 3:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

KG. That’s all I have to say.

by jaketwice on Jul 11, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Does Don Nelson have much of a track record in developing back-to-the-basket big men?

by no kidding on Jul 11, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Disappointing

by Who on Jul 11, 2008 3:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well, I guess being 7 foot and having “decent range and solid footwork” gets you a 2 year deal these days

by Jeff Clark on Jul 11, 2008 3:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone think they just said his workout sucked to discourage other teams and keep his price down?

by canman1971 on Jul 11, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Before jumping to conclusions about O’Bryant’s playing time, I just want to throw it out there that his coach was Don Nelson. Of course, Nelson is notorious for keeping rookies on the bench. With the NBA D-League at his disposal over the past few years, it allowed him to not even have to THINK about playing these guys. Additionally, Nellieball does not really seem to mesh well with O’Bryant’s skill set.

I could see it if O’Bryant was frustrated with his role on the Warriors. I also want to bring up the fact that Nelson had no input on the 2006 NBA Draft. O’Bryant obviously was not his type of player.

Good low risk, high reward signing by Ainge. I look forward to seeing O’Bryant play next to a guy like KG defensively.

by cclerkin on Jul 11, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Very interesting; nobody saw this one coming.

O’Bryant is a big body, a legit seven-footer that we desperately have needed off the bench. His work ethic and dedication has been questioned by Don Nelson, however, but he undeniably possesses some upside. In O’Bryant’s defense, he was never meant to succeed in an up-tempo system. Optimistically thinking, he could be a better fit in a limited role within a balanced system like ours. In addition, he now has some veteran mentors to look up to in Kevin Garnett and Kendrick Perkins, which he never had in Golden State. Not to mention, Clifford Ray has worked wonders with each and every one of our young big men over the past couple of years.

I wouldn’t get too excited about this, but we could have done worse. Why not take a flier on a guy like O’Bryant?

I am, however, curious about the financial aspect of this deal. Was is the minimum or the LLE?

Side Note: I came up with a nickname for the big fella in 2006, and I now have the green light to use it – P.O.Box 26. Genius, I know.

by CelticBalla32 on Jul 11, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The kid just turned 22 a couple of weeks ago. (And was worked out against 25yo’s.) Whaddaya bet Perk takes hm under his wing, gets him working out hard and goes right at him in practice. Between CR, TT, KG and KP this guy will hardly know what hit him. (Till he nuzzles into Scal’s mammaries for comfort.)

by clover on Jul 11, 2008 3:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This was not only for the minimum, but I bet that only a portion of the deal is guaranteed.

by Brickowski on Jul 11, 2008 3:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bah! What would Danny know about evaluating talent? Other then being a player, a coach, a analyst and with xp as a GM, what has he got that all other GM’s havent’ got? Oh, yeh, he did make the major leagues in baseball but who cares? We could have kept Chris Wallace!

by Dipper on Jul 11, 2008 3:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You know the last big guy that came to Boston from Golden State worked out pretty well here. As I recall, they thought he too had been a big disappointment at Golden State. And maybe I’m wrong about this, but wasn’t he also mentored by Clifford Ray, who was then at Golden State?

by no kidding on Jul 11, 2008 3:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

People say if your 7’ tall, you’ll always have a job in the NBA.

It’s true I guess.

Everyone seemed to have my same thought here…KG will get at him and he’ll be better.

More pressure on KG:

‘Yeah…I’m gonna need you to win it again next year, oh…and also…please make O’Bryant better…that’d be greeeeaat…thanks’.

by mcpu40 on Jul 11, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Glad we got our own Bryant (with the O’ in front – a nice Celtic embellishment). Kobe won’t know what hit him. :D

by CitizenWakefield on Jul 11, 2008 3:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You know the last big guy that came to Boston from Golden State worked out pretty well here. As I recall, they thought he too had been a big disappointment at Golden State. And maybe I’m wrong about this, but wasn’t he also mentored by Clifford Ray, who was then at Golden State?

Off topic, but why do people think that about Parish? He was coming off of two consecutive seasons of 17 ppg and 11 rpg when he was traded to Boston.

by Roy_Hobbs on Jul 11, 2008 3:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I guarantee that Garnett makes him cry at some point during the season.

by Eric on Jul 11, 2008 3:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he’s tall. he’s young. hopefully, he’s cheap. watch out scal-there’s going to be someone next to you on the bench who is vying for position #12.

by nazzbo on Jul 11, 2008 4:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hobbs,

We probably hold such ignorant misconceptions about Parish because we had no Internet in those days, and didn’t know anything we didn’t read in the Globe (and we got that wrong too). Besides, we always remember that Golden State traded Parish for the rights to get that colossal waste of talent, Joe Barry Carroll. So therefore, Golden State must have had no appreciation of Parish (we wrongly misconstrue).

by no kidding on Jul 11, 2008 4:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A couple of things to consider , first of all , I’m sure he was signed with Clifford Ray’s blessing , secondly, with other big men still available and no apparent sense of urgency , to sign him 48 hrs into the free agent signing period makes me feel as though the Celtics must really like his upside.

Just remember the last time Boston got an " underacheiving " big from the Warriors.

by DAS on Jul 11, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There are two positives about signing O’Blount —I mean, O’Bryant: (1) he’s a younger Kandi; and (2) Perk will kick his butt every day in practice, which the big stiff deserves. Beyond that, I can see nothing positive about this move. :P

by Eeyore III on Jul 11, 2008 4:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

To Nelson’s criticism: C’mon, how much better has Perkins gotten in FIVE YEARS? And everyone loves him for some reason.

That said, this guy really is Blountesque. Here’s have I feel about him:

http://www.celticsblog.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=64&topic=21107.msg329388#msg329388

Net: a decent signing all things considered. And I don’t think this precludes a Birdman signing, either.

by BrickJames on Jul 11, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m jumping off the bandwagon now. Maybe we will make a little trade with our young guys.

by Champzilla on Jul 11, 2008 4:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

O’Bryant is not Blountesque because he doesn’t have a jump shot. But he does have a skyhook and a 7-5 wingspan.

I don’t remember his hands. If he has good hands and can catch the ball in the post, there’s hope. That’s the first thing I’ll be looking for.

Blount has terrible hands. So did Potapenko, which is one reason why he’s no longer in the league.

by Brickowski on Jul 11, 2008 4:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s not like we need the guy to play backup minutes. He’s filling the Pollard role of being big and allowed to foul Shaq and/or Howard etc. I fully expect either Leon Powe or BBD or both to get the majority of the minutes behind KG and Perk. Beyond that he’s 23. I would have preferred Kwame, but I assume that would have taken some of the MLE, which we are currently holding back for Posey. What other big man alternative is out there? Diop got the full MLE and 5 years – this is a much better move than that.

by Brendan on Jul 11, 2008 4:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great signing by DA. If one of POB, Giddens, or Walker becomes a solid starter someday, Ainge has done well. I think Norton and Doo can work wonders with this guy, like they have done with Perk. If POB wants to get a real contract some day, all he has to do is work hard on getting into tip top shape, and take coaching from Cliff Ray.

If he can get some minutes, with the talent level on this team, he can’t help but put up numbers. Perk just set the all FG% record, mostly by being wide open under the hoop.

Huge, big body, somewhat nimble, and probably cheap. What’s not to like? And for the posters all aghast and upset over this signing, please get over yourself. We’re talking about the 14th or 15th man here on the best team in the league. Why not take a flier on him? I’m guessing he might have only a partial guarantee, with his agent figuring that the Cs might provide the best chance for future exposure and earnings, assuming the guy makes the team.

by TripleOT on Jul 11, 2008 4:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm7zNa5aCy4

def looks like he has some potential at least….then again I thought the same thing watching telfair highlights

by KobraKaii on Jul 11, 2008 5:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m looking at this as a replacement for Pollard, who gave us nothing. I live in the Bay Area, and have had a chance to see O’Bryant play a bit. This is just a terrible signing. Total waste of payroll because this guy is a stiff.

by Wicked Messenger on Jul 11, 2008 5:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe there will be more then one big man coming to the Celtics with Perk’s shoulder problems? They will probably go for a older and more experienced big man. We are due for a trade it has been a while.

by CelticsWin on Jul 11, 2008 5:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I GUESS Fox Sports has got the right info, BUT:

Neither ESPN nor CBS Sports has a note about this, nor does Celts.Home have anything. Hope that by tomorrow morn, we have more confirmation and info.

by Dipper on Jul 11, 2008 5:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I ALREADY MISS PJ BROWN…

by reggielew35 on Jul 11, 2008 6:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We signed him for chump change at the minimum for a 2 year vet. I bet he doesn’t even make the final 15 man roster.

by Frontierboy on Jul 11, 2008 6:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He could be this year’s Brandon Wallace. A roll of the dice on low risk, high upside prospect. I suspect we’ll sign a somewhat more significant big guy. Maybe Andersen.

by no kidding on Jul 11, 2008 6:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No problem. We get him on the cheap. He’s got the skills. He’s one of those guys who has a great March and becomes a lottery pick. There was way too much in the way of expectations on the kid. Nelson is not the best guy to have teach a big man. Nevertheless, the kid has a ton of upside, and is not costing much. If he shows promise he’ll finish the season. If not, he’ll be gone in December. Nevertheless, I think what this points to is that TA is definitely gone because O’Bryant is not going to be the first guy off the bench to back-up Perk.

by amenhotep04 on Jul 11, 2008 6:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

But at least he has his place in NBA history – the first ever NBA lottery pick demoted to the NBDL. Zzzzzz.

by The Walker Wiggle on Jul 11, 2008 6:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I watched him play in college. He has an incredible standing reach and isn’t a bad athlete. (hands are so-so but better than Blounts). He is difficult to defend close to the hoop because of his length and difficult to score over for the same reason. The problem is that despite his size, he can be pushed around easily by strong players. Against tall thin guys, he might be useful with C.Ray coaching him.

by oldmanspeaks on Jul 11, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He must have the brain type – but does he have basketball IQ. If he does, then Ainge definately made the right move and my bet is that it’s partially guaranteed and the kid’s wanting a chance to play the #2 backup big option on an NBA championship team. From his point, what’s not to like??? He can always get a job in Europe if he can’t cut the NBA but I also give the kid credit because he’s willing to take a minimum deal instead of overinflating his “height can’t be taught”. This move blindsided me a bit but not as much as Pierce’s lobbying for the Knicks to dump marbury. That almost smells like a Cassell replacement. I’d like to see the C’s sign Livingston but I’m sure the kid will get a better offer elsewhere (like GS who just lost BD and Monta is not a true point).

by desertgreen on Jul 11, 2008 7:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Beautiful signing. I was hopeing originally we could land Diop, he would be perfect for this team with his shotblocking. But O’Bryant was a shotblocker in College, he just didn’t fit in with Nellieball.

by Tradetime on Jul 11, 2008 7:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

KobraKaii said:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm7zNa5aCy4

def looks like he has some potential at least….then again I thought the same thing watching telfair highlights

I’m trying to be optimistic… but watching that video, all I saw was a painfully slow looking big man that got pushed around on the block by everyone. Even his “highlights” were clumsy looking.

by Big Ticket on Jul 11, 2008 7:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You gotta be kidding with the complaining, by NBA standards he was signed for pennies . He just turned 22 and he’s a legitimate 7footer who is agile. Obviously he’s not a franchise player , but considering the possible upside and the minimal risk, the signing should be commended.

The fact that Danny Ainge signed him is good enough for me.

by DAS on Jul 11, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Give Coach Ray a chance to work with him ;)

by bird01 on Jul 11, 2008 8:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Birdman still may come.

by Little D on Jul 11, 2008 8:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ugh. Hopefully he can be cut.

If you’d ever seen the lazy, disinterested way this guy plays the game, you’d understand. This guy makes Joe Barry Carroll look motivated.

Terrible signing.

by CoachBo on Jul 11, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just one thing that’s crucial to remember: Even at the peak of his powers, Perkins was still picking up two fouls quick as lightning. There’s no way he’s taking ANYONE under his wing. Clifford Ray maybe. Perk remains a work in progress.
This is only a terrible signing if he’s P.J.‘s replacement; if it’s to replace Pollard, it’s fine. If we wind up with O’Bryant AND Andersen, we might be in good shape.
And yes, I miss P.J. already.

by Big_Easy on Jul 11, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You know, DeSagana Diop was considered an even bigger bust than O’Bryant before he got to Dallas. I remember watching Diop in summer league in Orlando (I used to cover the NBA) when he was still Cav property and he was fat and useless.

But a seven-footer who isn’t needed to do anything but defend doesn’t need to improve much to be useful. We’re talking about a guy we might need to play ten minutes here and there. He’s big and I’m sure he can clog the lane. Hell, Diop has more career fouls than points and he’s a commodity. I’m all for it. This is a guy we can use to d-up Ilgauskas and Yao and guys like that for a few minutes here and there. We needed a true seven-footer and he’s one. What’s the downside?

by Proctology on Jul 11, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree with the above and don’t forget Dalembert. KG will have to cover Brand and Perk may have three fouls in 8 minutes. Further thought, Danny had him in for workouts prior to Golden State drafting him.

by Little D on Jul 11, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In his post-playing career, Ray has mentored many NBA big men, most notably Chris Webber and Ben Wallace. He has also worked with Roy Tarpley, Dwight Howard, Jayson Williams, Eric Dampier, P.J. Brown, Adonal Foyle, Etan Thomas, Marc Jackson, DeSagana Diop, Al Jefferson, Mario Kasun, and Michael Bradley. As an Orlando Magic assistant, he was responsible for the quick professional development of Dwight Howard. In May 2006, Ray was signed by the Boston Celtics to work with big men Kendrick Perkins and Al Jefferson.1 During the off-season, Ray and former Celtics great Robert Parish conduct a Big Man Camp in Bradenton, Florida, where they work with many big men improving their game.2

by bird01 on Jul 11, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Big_Easy—Perk loves playing big brother and took AlJeff under his wing. And it helped, Al learned that he had to work hard too, and Perk kept pushing him.

by clover on Jul 11, 2008 9:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have always liked Patrick O’Bryant. His calling card is shot blocking. My only concern is his confidence in his experience in Golden State. Upside = The Chief, Jr. He will be mentored by the Chief, Sr and be an understudy to KP. Powe, BBD, KP, and O’Bry form a very good young big man nucleas.

by QuinielaBox on Jul 11, 2008 11:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just as I predicted.

Next guys coming are Kirk Snyder and Tyronn Lue.

by DJ to Bird on Jul 12, 2008 6:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This will be enough size until March. Then PJ jumps the ship again.

by Mahoney_jr on Jul 12, 2008 6:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey Mahoney, if PJ did EXACTLY what he did last year — chill in Slidell till March and then bring it for the final stretch, I’d be THRILLED! A little PJ goes a long way!
One could argue the Celtics can’t wait to slip into their PJs!
(This coffee is waaay too strong.)

by Big_Easy on Jul 12, 2008 8:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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