Posey Watch - Day 6

They just interviewed Posey on comcast, watch the replay at 7.

He was seen talking to Ainge at the party.

ugh, this is killing me! let’s get him signed or get on with it!

Why would it not be in Posey’s best interest at this point to just wait? The longer he waits the more desperate the teams will become. If no one steps up with more money, then he knows he can get the current offer. It’s not like there are 2 similar players of equal value out there and the teams are in more control. He is in the drivers seat.

I just don’t understand why we don’t offer 4 years at 4 mil per and be done with it. It leaves us over a million and a half worth of MLE for another player and gives him a few million more than he is getting offered right now. 3 years and 15 mil has got to look better than 2 and 11 mil. If we had to go up to 4.5 mil for for four years to make it happen then fine…

I hate staggering through this free agent bargaining garbage, but I appreciate at least that Posey has had the good sense (for a professional athlete) not to overtly insult the Celtic’s organization or its fan base.

There’s been no loose talk of being “disrespected” or “insulted” by any offer made to him by the team. Of course, we occasionally see a bit of that nonsense here on this site. But at least it’s not coming from Posey. To him, it’s just business; and it’s to be conducted in a business-like fashion. So thank you Mr. Posey for that.

Because for Posey it is better to take the same amount of money over a shorter contract. 3 years for 5.5 million is exactly the same amount as 4×4, except that in the former scenario, the player can still sign somewhere for the fourth year and command several million dollars.

I don’t see how we shouldn’t be able to offer 3 years at the MLE though. It is not a back breaker, and if push comes to shove, this contract can be traded in Posey’s last year of service.

I thought Spears made a type when he typed 2 years.

This is crazy! DA only offered Posey 2 years! >:( Is he really interested in keeping Posey or not? Why not offer 3 years and see if he will take it.

Two Years!!!????

It’s not in Posey’s beast interest to wait because the market dries up. Teams get sick of waiting and use their MLE for other things.

All right. Name the other guys remotely in his skill set that we are going to throw his Full MLE money to then Brick…

Comcast said we might get marbury.

Marbury would be for the veterans’ minimum after a buyout. The player I would target with the MLE would be Josh Childress. He was an excellent 6th man for Atlanta, and while he’s not as good as Posey, he’s alot younger, and unlike Posey has not had significant knee problems or other injury issues.

There is a HUGE dropoff from Posey to Childress. Number one being that he isn’t a good 3 pt shooter. Posey allows them to spread the floor and pay if they double team. Childress does not give us this. He is not as good of a defender either. Not bad, but not able to do what James can. He isn’t bad, and if Posey is gone then he isn’t a bad option, but definitely not worthy of Posey’s cash. Plus ATL can match and we end up with neither.

There isn’t really anyone out there that we could go out and get that is close, so what do we risk in waiting rather than just opening up the wallet?!

As far as Marbury, that is about the worst possible signing we could ever make. I’d take Sam back on the team before I signed that bum.

Oh please, EJPLAYA, would you rather have Marbury or Tyron Lue, assuming you could get both for roughly the same money? As for Childress, he can’t do what Posey can do but he has skills that Posey does not, such as ballhandling and passing skills.

Another guy I’d be looking at is Nenad Krstic. He doesn’t seem to be in the Nets’ plans since they keep drafting centers and power forwards.

Ainge is a fool. You don’t jerk around key players over 1 year on a multi-year deal when you’ve just won a title, you do that when you’re still trying to get over the hump and aren’t sure if you have the right mix of talent or not. Posey’s value has been established, and you aren’t going to compete for a title if you replace him with bargain-basement Ainge specials like Tony Allen or the Matt Barnes’s of the world. Plus, three or four years is hardly an albatross type contract, regardless of how many posters want to stay awake at night fretting about poor Wyc’s wallet.

The problem as I see it is simple – Posey was never Ainge’s guy, he was just the best guy still available once the KG trade went down. Ditto House. These guys don’t fit his mold of hyper-athletic brain-doctor approved NBA marginalia. Too bad, because once Danny abandoned his “vision” (ie: young, run-and-gun Phoenix Suns-Jr), we actually won a title.

“Ainge is a fool.”

Why don’t we wait and see if the guy signs first. We don’t know for sure what’s being offered. As for calling the guy that orchestrated the greatest single season turnaround in NBA history a fool, well, that’s your problem.
If Ainge is a fool, I shudder to think what you’d call Chris Wallace.

it doesn’t take a genius to trade for Kevin Garnett and then sign the best veterans left on the market, in fact, it basically took Wyc getting sick of losing money and telling Ainge to abandon his interminable semi-rebuilding plan. We got lucky that all the chips fell into place, which is what makes it all the more remarkable that the C’s aren’t doing everything they can to keep this group together. We won as a “team,” remember? “Ubuntu” and all that. Only a fool would gut such a team, an NBA championship squad, in the name of saving $7 million three years down the line. Much like those who still think that Doc Rivers is a bad coach in spite of this title, I still think Ainge is a terrible GM.

  There is a HUGE dropoff from Posey to Childress. Number one being that he isn’t a good 3 pt shooter. Posey allows them to spread the floor and pay if they double team. Childress does not give us this. He is not as good of a defender either. Not bad, but not able to do what James can. He isn’t bad, and if Posey is gone then he isn’t a bad option, but definitely not worthy of Posey’s cash. Plus ATL can match and we end up with neither.

Um, Josh Childress is a much better player than James Posey. But either way, I agree with your point that the Hawks would match any MLE offer.

Doesn’t look like Danny has too much underestimated the market so far—or James would have signed elsewhere by now.

But I’m growing weary of the wait.

Brick – With out even batting an eye I take any PG out there instead of Marbury. Money has absolutely nothing to do with it. Ask the Knicks who benched him because of how bad a teammate and employee he was even though he only trailed KG in salary last year. Some players are just cancers. You don’t add a cancer to a Championship team. If we thought Sam was an issue last year wanting more PT, wait until this headcase is sitting there and Rondo has a tough game.

As far as ball handling and passing skills, he is no better than Posey at either of these. He is about half as good as Posey in every skillset and does not have his ability to hit the clutch shot or stay calm when we are getting pounded. There is a reason he’s not nicknamed Big Shot Josh…

Marbury is whacked. We dont want him on our beloved Celtics.

Like clover I’m growing weary of the wait. There are other fish in the sea besides Posey. As for Childress, the Hawks may have to match a huge offer for Josh Smith and may not be willing to shell out for Childress as well.

“You don’t jerk around key players over 1 year on a multi-year deal when you’ve just won a title”

You do if you want to keep winning them.

“Posey’s value has been established”

Really? I guess somebody forgot to tell every single team in the league what that value happens to be. Because it should be clear by now that it isn’t what you think it is.

The word I heard down here in ATL is that the Hawks are willing to re-sign Josh Smith and match a reasonable contract (say, the MLE) to Childress. Say what you will about all the ownership squabbling, but I get the sense here they realize what they have with this lineup, which is the kind of youthful potential the Celtics WISHED they had last year.
Me personally, I’m with Brick: Failing Posey, Childress is a great consolation prize, and I LOVE what Posey brings.

This is like watching paint dry.

Gee, I guess if it’s so easy to have your owner say, “I’m sick of this losing, you’d better go ahead and win me a title”, then there must be 25 other GM’s who have championships right now. What? No you say. If it was only that easy! Yup, Ainge sure was lucky is owner told him what to do.

Signing James Posey to a full MLE for more than 2 years will be detrimental to the team, in the long run. The Celtics can get alternatives, albeit cheaper, don’t really have much difference in talent, like quinton ross, matt barnes, and tony allen. Then use the remaining MLE to sign a back up bigman or a back up point guard.

Could not disagree with you more strongly, Bremer. There’s a HUGE difference between Posey and an offense-less player like Quinton Ross, a human mistake machine like Tony Allen and a player who’s vastly overrated on this board like Matt Barnes.

It amazes me how people are intent on devaluing Posey’s contributions to Banner 17.

It’s time for Celtic Nation to step up and get to Borders Bookstore downtown and show Posey and House what it means to be a Celtic. They won’t find that in any other NBA city…’keep Pos and House…pleeez

When Greg Dickerson was interviewing Wyc before the DVD release, Wyc said that they had made an increased offer to Posey. The speculation was that they might have offered him a 3rd year. Wyc wouldn’t eloborate. Greg also reported that Danny was sitting and talking with Posey at length.