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Like it or not (and here's guessing where yours truly stands on this has become rather evident), James Posey's days in Boston are over.  The same appears true of P.J. Brown's, and could be as well for those of others (Tony Allen, Eddie House, Sam Cassell) who made up the core of the Celtics' bench down the stretch last season.

But, of course, it is also quite true that the five starters and thus the crux of the green will be returning for the 2008-09 season, and hope abounds here of a repeat performance of this year's capture of the NBA title.  When all was said and done, the championship team featured a bench that included just the right combination of scoring, defense, youthful energy and veteran savvy to make an enormous difference for the Celts, and with much of the core of that bench gone or possibly on the way out, it is no doubt time to begin looking anew for help.

In light of how the Celtics found their way to the first championship in 22 years, it's defense that is on the brain today here at Babble Central.  So a look at Clippers swingman Quinton Ross seems in order.

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Ross is a four-year veteran, an unrestricted free agent and also someone who happens to intrigue me.

Ross has started exactly half of his 302 games played in Los Angeles, and the phrase that comes to mind to sum him up as a player is defensive specialist.  Ross has been referred to in the past as a 'lite' version of Bruce Bowen, and the comparisons come easily upon watching him play.  The guy simply loves to rag people.  He has no qualms about spending an evening effectively trying to get inside the jersey of the other team's top scorer, and he'll run with his man all game if need be.  Ross denies the ball well and plays strong defense when his man does mange to get his hands on that orange sphere.  He is built like the 6-foot-7, 185-pound Bowen as well, standing 6-foot-6 and weighing just 195 pounds.

The real catch here has to do with the fact that Ross' offensive game makes him seem to be far more of a parallel to Trenton Hassell than he is to Bruce Bowen.  Bowen has earned himself a living and a role as a valuable piece on a title team through both his defense and his willignness to take and ability to hit shots, particularly his beloved corner three.  The man shoots with better than 39 percent accuracy for his career from deep, and that has long been a factor in helping the Spurs space the floor for their three stars.

In contrast, Ross is little more than a space-eater on the offensive end of the floor (and with a slight build, he really doesn't do all that much of that).  He isn't an offensive rebounder or great passer or ball-handler, and what little he'll provide on the scoring end won't come efficiently.  Ross doesn't shoot 30 percent from deep, and his true shooting sits at a paltry 47 percent for his career.  He isn't a perimeter shooter or a slasher, and he'll occasionally hit the open lay-up or a baby jumper, but that's about it.  There's a reason why our very own CoachBo described Ross' offensive play as "ghastly."

While there are some teams that might be able to afford Ross' vacuum tendencies on offense, the current set-up of the bench makes one wonder if the Celts wouldn't be too hamstrung by his presence on the floor.  As it stands, Leon Powe currently provides the green's lone scoring punch off the bench, and the Celts don't have many others to feel confident in as far as providing bench points is concerned.  The Celts may not be able to succed by rolling out a reserve line-up that involves virtually playing four on five at one end of the floor.

But even with that in mind, Ross could still be a nice piece to have aboard.  His size likely limits him to guarding swingmen (as opposed to power forwards as well), and his shortcomings on the offensive end are discouraging.  But a team can never have enough tough defenders, and while Ross would be a major liability in a line-up with three or four other reserves, he could provide a timely stopper presence to allow the star scorers to focus more on the offensive end and help defense in certain situations.  Further, Ross has never made so much as $1 million in a season, so there is a chance he would come to Boston for a bargain price.

What that price is and whether Quinton Ross will be worth it remain to be seen.  But in a summer for weak free agency, taking at least a mild interest seems reasonable for the green. 

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Tony Allen is much better than Quinton Ross. No thanks. I mean, this guy couldn’t even get serious minutes with the LA fracking Clippers.

by Brickowski on Jul 21, 2008 12:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I prefer Matt Barnes. As you said Steve – we need scoring of the bench. If we can divid the MLE between the two of them – I say go for it…

by asterix on Jul 21, 2008 12:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Although Boki remains my favorite possible SF addition; I’m on board with Ross. I like to see Ray running with the second unit, anyway, which would maybe mitigates Ross’s lack of offense?

by The Walker Wiggle on Jul 21, 2008 1:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I’d rather have Ross than Tony Allen, but with Maurice Evans … you get a plus defender who can shoot the ball. Plus, for all the defensive prowess, you couldn’t play him with Rondo.

by timepiece33 on Jul 21, 2008 2:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m not very worried with the scoring from the bench, to be honest. Powe scores a lot. A guy like Kurt Thomas would solve that. A backcourt that provides spacing is worrying me more. And that’s my problem with Ross. As timepiece33 says, you couldn’t play him with Rondo, no matter how good scorers are the remaining 3 guys on the floor. If Ross had Bowen’s corner 3, it would be a no-brainer.

Second units don’t play in the playoffs. We’re too good to miss a top seed, even with a score-less 2nd unit.

by cordobes on Jul 21, 2008 2:36 AM EDT reply actions  

I think defense is becoming a little overrated, as strange as that is to say.

Yes, you need to shut down your opponent, but you also need to outscore them. Players who play nothing but defense wouldn’t help our bench much, since it was offensive production, and not defensive intensity, that our bench struggled with last season.

This team can’t afford to play 4-on-5, especially when the other bench players are two rookies, two virtual rookies in O’Blount and Pruitt, an inconsistent BBD, Powe (who I love, but he’s a garbageman), and some less-than-stellar free agents that we haven’t signed yet.

by Roy_Hobbs on Jul 21, 2008 7:05 AM EDT reply actions  

To back up my post above, here’s the PER-48 minute point differential for Ross over the last three years: -11.6, -8.8, -10.3. In two of those seasons, Ross’ man doubled his production, and in the third it was close.

In other words, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to sign a guy if his opponent is going to outscore him by a 2-to-1 margin, even if his defense is good.

by Roy_Hobbs on Jul 21, 2008 7:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Ross only works if we have some scoring off the bench. Right now, we don’t have scoring OR defense. I’m a BIG fan of lockdown defense off the bench – don’t think you can ever overrate it – but it helps when it comes in a package that can shoot the three to spread the floor.

Let’s see. Who would fit that bill? …

I remain VERY concerned and disappointed by management’s approach to the bench.

by CoachBo on Jul 21, 2008 7:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Ross looked like he was well on his way to becoming the next Bruce Bowen three years ago … but the last two seasons his defense has been nothing more than slightly above average. He’s failed to fulfill his potential.

I don’t see the fascination with him. He’s a good defender but he’s not a great defender.

by Who on Jul 21, 2008 8:34 AM EDT reply actions  

I have to say that I agree that Ross could be a good addition. Steve actually stole my thunder. I am working on article that mentions Ross as a sleeper.

Plus/minus on a team that loses a lot will be bad for almost every player. Dunleavy’s team’s are not known for great defense. Ross has displayed good defensive skills in his short career, consistent or not.

While he may or may not have the numbers to back that up, he would certainly improve while playing within the Celtics system. He brings a certain amount of ability already – unlike House and Ray Allen.

There is a bit more, but I’ll save that for my article.

The re-signing of Tony does change things somewhat. If Tony has that break out year we all expect, it does minimize the need for Ross. In fact, it may make it irrelevant.

But Ross is not a bad player to consider.

by Tom Halzack on Jul 21, 2008 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

That was meant to say…“unlike House or Ray Allen did.”
They both turned out fine, starting with less emphasis at that end of the court in their careers.

by Tom Halzack on Jul 21, 2008 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

it might be academic now that the c’s have resigned eddie and tony—the devils you know…i like barnes better than ross. i like tony better than barnes.

by nazzbo on Jul 21, 2008 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ve been making the case to get Ross for a very long time in many threads.

 As for Roy Hobbs’ PER argument, you have to consider who Ross was guarding that doubled his production. He guards the best offensive opposing players: Kobe, ‘Melo, T-Mac, etc. Of course these guys are going to double his production… They would do the same to Posey too, but we still sing his praises. You don’t expect a bench player or 5th starter at best to play half as well as the best wings in the game.

 As for the point about our bench struggling with offensive production. Well, they “struggled” their way to 66 wins and an NBA title, so I’m ok if thats what they have to struggle with again. I’m more afraid of losing strengths from last season than fixing a “problem”.

by action781 on Jul 22, 2008 12:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Tony Allen is much better than Quinton Ross. No thanks. I mean, this guy couldn’t even get serious minutes with the LA fracking Clippers.

Yes he most certainly could, and if you remember, Ross completely took Carmelo Anthony out of his game in the first round of the 2005 playoffs.

I don’t think Ross makes sense anymore, with Tony Allen back in green, but I do think he can be a valuable role player in the middle of a bench rotation.

by CelticBalla32 on Jul 22, 2008 2:10 AM EDT reply actions  

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