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O'Bryant Anecdote

A lot of what this team still needs depends upon how good Patrick O'Bryant really is this year.  If he can't give us productive minutes backing up Perk, we're stuck with smallball and forcing KG to guard centers.  If he can develop into a solid option, that shores up the 4 and 5 positions quite nicely.  Is Danny ready to roll the dice on that chance?  Not just yet.  In his interview on WEEI today, Ainge note that if the playoffs started today he wouldn't be satisfied with the backup center position.  I suppose that means that he'll wait and see what O'Bryant can offer the team.  If he can't cut it, Ainge will look for either another PJ Brown type of late season pickup, or explore trade options during the season.

Nobody really knows what we are going to get out of O'Bryant.  He admits himself that he had problems with work ethic.  The other side of the coin, however, is that he might not have had much of a chance in Golden St. 

Consider this anecdote by Bay Area blogger Tim Kawakami (hat tip to JE Skeets for pointing this out to me:

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O’Bryant was done, as we all know, just a few months into his Warriors’ career, after he was selected 9th overall in the 2006 draft to suit Mike Montgomery’s system… and then MM was fired and Nelson was hired.

I recall a question I asked Nellie at his introductory news conference in August: What do you know about your new No. 1 pick, O’Bryant?

Nellie: Why do you ask?

Me: Because you don’t have a history of liking to play 7-footers.

Nellie: Oh, I like 7-footers who can shoot threes.

Me (to myself): Well, Patrick had a nice run while it lasted with the Warriors.

It’s too bad. O’Bryant might not be a fiery guy and I know Nelson and his staff believed O’Bryant was a stiff because he moved in slow motion through so many practices and drills.

But POB has talent. He’s a 7-footer who can shoot, he’s extremely long, he hasn’t looked dead in the few minutes Nelson gave him the last two seasons, he can pass it a little…

POB is a perfect candidate to wake up and turn into a decent, productive back-up center if he gets a coach who won’t deride him and isn’t playing on a team that is desperate to shoot threes and only threes.

Voila: The Celtics. Defending champions. Full of big bodies, and needing some younger bodies. Perfect. Now if O’Bryant blows this… where all he has to do is back up Kendrick Perksins (not that hard)… and not make Kevin Garnett wince (OK, that might be harder)…

O’Bryant never had a chance with the Warriors. Maybe he deserved living in NBA Siberia for two seasons, maybe he didn’t.

But he’s free now. He’s on a great team that wants him to succeed.

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Sounds good to me. Most of the comments I’ve seen on this blog have been extremely dismissive of O’Bryant; as if people wanted to be among the first to call him a stiff. Being something of a contrarian, I’ll be pulling for the guy.

by no kidding on Jul 22, 2008 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Give him some time working with Clifford Ray and wait for KG’s insanity to rub off on him a little. Make Perk his workout buddy… and we’ll see how he looks mid-season.

Expectations couldn’t be lower for this guy here. Sounds pretty good to me.

by LarBrd33 on Jul 22, 2008 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

pob looks like he needs more time in the oven- just like perk needed.we don’t need kg spending a lot of time guarding centers. good old clifford ray is desperately needed to school this young’un.

by nazzbo on Jul 22, 2008 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Nellie was jocking… I’m not sure if the blogger understood that.

Don Nelson always played big guys that were good, even if they didn’t fit his style. Then he’d trade them. See Weber.

I wouldn’t put much blame on Nellie for O’Bryant’s lack of development. Biedrins is a 7-footer who can’t shoot the 3 as well (not even the 2), he’s the same age of O’Bryant, and Nellie has been playing him a lot. And the truth is that O’Bryant looked really bad every time he stepped on the floor (at least every time I watched).

by cordobes on Jul 22, 2008 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I recall a man by the name of Robert Parish who was labelled a slacker before he came to Boston. Anybody recall his rep?

by johnnymost on Jul 22, 2008 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Great, now you’re going to get Roy Hobbs fired up again.

by no kidding on Jul 22, 2008 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, I remember now that Robert Parish was a stiff before he came to Boston…I learned that just a couple weeks ago in a thread on this very blog, but I can’t quite remember the name of it…Robert Parish was something something a stiff…eh, it’ll come to me.

by thatmarvelousape on Jul 22, 2008 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

cordobes nailed it. Good point.

by libermaniac on Jul 22, 2008 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Obryant looks like he is in better shape from the press conference than what i’d seen from youtube and his baby pictures. At least he is trying. Danny must of saw something in him to sign him.

He has no fire?? well he needs to start getting mad, he has to put nellie’s pic in this locker and do well.

an icing on the cake situation for him would be to have a great year and really hurt GS when we meet them

by Triboy16 on Jul 22, 2008 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

O Bryant needs to learn how to defend the post before he’s capable of being on the court.

by Who on Jul 22, 2008 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

To call Parish a stiff before he came to Boston and then to compare him to O’Bryant is like comparing Scal to ______ (fill in the blank yourself)!

by Celtsfansince55 on Jul 22, 2008 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

“To call Parish a stiff before he came to Boston and then to compare him to O’Bryant is like comparing Scal to ______ (fill in the blank yourself)!”

The Great White Hope?

If Olawakandi and Mark Blount had a baby together (with Leprechaun dust as the catalyst) it would be called Patrick O’Bryant would it not? Of course that baby would have no chance to thrive as Mark Blount would have dropped the baby on it’s head the first time someone passed him the baby or Kandi man would have taught it to grossly underachieve.

“Maybe the dingo ate your baby”

by Master Po on Jul 22, 2008 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Umm sure.

Interesting maybe this guy can provide the 2 pts and 2 rbs PJ Brown provided for the last 2 months of the season that somehow elevated him to some rare status where he’s irreplaceable.

by Birdbrain on Jul 22, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

In my defense, I did not call Chief a stiff. A slacker, maybe, but I’m hoping someone could set the record straight as I don’t remember the circumstances.

by johnnymost on Jul 22, 2008 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

The people who say Parish was a stiff at GS never actually saw him play, and just want to build some sort of myth.

READ THIS CAREFULLY:

His last 2 years in GS, he average 17 point and 11.5 boards.

In today’s NBA, that’s an all-star.

Parish was no stiff, ever. He was a solid, developing center. Now give the comparisons to O’Bryant a rest for good.

by Cousin It on Jul 22, 2008 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Nellie sorta meant it … Nellie likes playing big men if they are multiskilled. Biedrins is one of the best centers in the league and Nellie doesn’t play him enough. He starts him usually and plays him 25-30 minutes a game, but Biedrins is crazy productive. Nellie still prefers to play Harrington at center.

The fact is O’Bryant was expected to be a more traditional big, and Nellie has never done that.

He is a flyer, but a sensible one.

by sk7326 on Jul 22, 2008 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Master Po, that was a classic! If you ever posted in the forums I’d give you a TP. :D

One poster said last week, on this topic: “Patrick, meet Clifford.” I thought he had a point, but I look at it this way: now we’ll see if Clifford Ray is just an excellent coach, or an actual miracle worker! ;D

by Eeyore III on Jul 22, 2008 5:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Po, as the founder of the “O’Blount is a stiff” club, you made me spit soda all over my laptop.

Nicely played, sir.

by CoachBo on Jul 22, 2008 6:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Leon will beat up O’Bryant in practice also. We need to give O’Bryant a chance. He’s going to be surrounded by the right kind of teammates and he’ll get the coaching he probably needs. O’Bryant will have to earn his chance, by showing things in practice and then will need to take advantage of opportunities when presented. Either he makes it or he doesn’t, but he deserves the benefit of the doubt right now. With that said, we still will need a veteran big before the season is over regardless of how O’Bryant does.

by TrueGreen on Jul 22, 2008 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

It should be added the O’Bryant is the player that Ainge’s coaches said they wanted and lobbied for. He wasn’t foisted on them. They’re now invested in him, and they’re going to work that much harder to see that he succeeds.

Conversely, Don Nelson had nothing invested in O’Bryant. In fact, if Nelson started bad-mouthing him early on, it was in his interest that O’Bryant didn’t do particularly well. Sometimes, that’s all the difference it takes.

by no kidding on Jul 22, 2008 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought that Don Nelson also derided Tony Battie with the quip “El Busto” and Battie proved to be quite serviceable.

by gjvd on Jul 22, 2008 7:29 PM EDT reply actions  

that was dan issel i thought.

by bucknersrevenge on Jul 22, 2008 8:50 PM EDT reply actions  

The comparisons to Blount and Kandy man are apt in some respects, but a major difference is this kid is just 22 years old. He may not already be all he will become, in fact, that is almost a certainty given his age. Whether he helps the C’s this coming year is yet to be seen, but 22 yr old athletic, skilled 7 footers don’t exactly grow on trees, definitely a chance worth taking. His length on D should definitely be a help versus Powe and BBD who fight hard, but just aren’t the presence in the paint like a 7 footer, a la PJ last year even though his stats were meager. If the guy can catch and dunk, then he should be OK on offense, how many slams off inside feeds did Kendrick ever have prior to KG?

by KJ33 on Jul 22, 2008 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Guys, Parish wasn’t a stiff in San Francisco, but as a matter of fact he wasn’t well conditioned. Bill Fitch worked him hard to the point of embarrassing him, that’s why “The Chief” respected Fitch as a coach but didn’t like him as a man.
But Parish became an incredibly conditioned player, and took the NBA by storm.
Yes, #00 was a good player when he was with the Warriors. But he admitted that his career would have been much shorter if Auerbach had not pulled the McHale Parish for Joe Barry Carroll Rickey Brown.

O’Bryant isn’t as good as Parish. But I believe he is better than the ghost we watched playing for Nellie.

by Legend on Jul 23, 2008 2:18 AM EDT reply actions  

  I wonder how many peeps here actually saw Parish play for the Celts? My whole family watched most of the games, both home and away and we unanimously referred to Parish as “the hands of stone”. We also unamimously said “Oh No” when he back way up on the base line and fired off him almost certain missing fadeaway. With Bird almost always doubleteamed and Mchale a lot doubleteamed, Parish was alone under the basket alot – ALONE! And who better then Bird to hit an open man with a pass and yes, like Perk, Parish (if he didnt drop the ball) could dunk. As far as rebounds go, Parish got the cheapies. The ones where an opponent missed a foul shot and the ones where all other members of both teams ran back to the other end of the court. For those that know, Bird was a GREAT, GREAT rebounder and he never got any of the cheapies, he was back on defense.

by Dipper on Jul 23, 2008 8:49 AM EDT reply actions  

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