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Waffling On Two Possible Signings From San Antone

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The search for veteran helpers to potentially fill out the roster of the defending champion (!!!) Boston Celtics continues.

Right now, the major interests in this space remain adding a back-up small forward to bump Brian Scalabrine down on the depth chart, some scoring punch off the bench (possibly taken care of with the small forward) and potentially another big man if the right option came along.  Patrick O'Bryant still makes me nervous as a rotation player.

With all that being said, we got a copule of reader e-mails this weekend about two free agents from San Antonio who just happen to play the positions described above. Since I've always been a fan of both players, it seems worth taking a few minutes today to look at the future prospects of both Michael Finley and Robert Horry.

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Of course, this is the part where the fence-straddling begins, because while I'm not entirely against signing either player, I'm not entirely sold either.

Finley would be an intriguing addition because it appears he could at least provide strides toward addressing a need at the back-up three.  Though Finley is more comfortable at the two, he stands 6-foot-7 and has both the size and experience to play small forward.  At 34 years old, his quickness isn't what it once was, and he isn't a great one-on-one defender by any stretch of the imagination.  But he has grown used to playing for solid team defenses in San Antonio, and he knows how to rotate and adjusts well on broken plays defensively.

Finley is by no means the big-time scorer he was earlier in his career, but he could make the second unit a bit more dangerous.  He is a 37 percent shooter for his career from the outside, and he averaged 10 points per game a season ago for the Spurs.  Finley shoots the ball well from the foul line and is the type of guy who isn't scared to take a big shot when necessary.  Further, it bears noting that he played nearly 27 minutes per game in San Antonio last season, and it's hard to imagine the same being the case in Boston.  Turning Finley into a 15-to-20-minute per game player could help him make the most of what athleticism and energy he does have left and might keep him fresher for the playoffs.

Despite the case in favor of Finley, it also needs to be remembered that his true shooting isn't great (51.9 percent last year and 52.6 for his career), and as was mentioned above, he is more comfortable at the two.  Just how much his defensive skills have eroded remains to be seen, and he will not serve as an individual stopper for this defense.  Granted, as we learned with P.J. Brown this past season, it generally doesn't hurt to add a veteran presence who plays smart basketball and will be a well-respected influence in the locker room as well.  Label me more comfortable with Finley on the floor as the back-up three than with Scal there, but that doesn't necessarily mean that saving the money or shopping for a better option isn't a better idea. I could go either way on this one depending one what the other realistically available options ultimately turn out to be.

Discussing Horry on the other hand, is far more difficult for me.  As I've professed in the past, I'm a huge fan of his, and I've even gone so far as to suggest that he should have a place in Springfield when all is said and done (debatable, and I'm probably on the short end of that one).  As far as role players go, he has been about as clutch as it gets, and it is no coincidence that the guy has played for winners throughout his entire career.  The Fresh Prince look-alike adds a big body who is comfortable in the front-court defensively albeit on the perimeter on offense, and he has earned a reputation as a good team guy who simply goes out and does his job, usually with ice in his veins.

But as we mused in this space after Game 4 of the Western Conference Finals, it became apparent this season that the time is coming for even the biggest of Horry boosters to concede that the man may be on his way out.  Horry played just 45 regular season games, and his shooting percentages were utterly abysmal (31.9 percent from the field, 25.7 from deep).  Come playoff time, he only seemed to be more of a liability when he was on the court:  His shooting appeared as ugly as the numbers do.  He was missing open looks by miles, and the ball routinely looked bad coming off his hands.  Defensively, Horry's quickness looked to have all but completely eroded, and too often, he seemed to be rotating to a spot just quickly enough to be on the receiving end of an opposing dunk.  For those hoping for the most clutch role player of our generation to find a way to go out gracefully, it was difficult to watch.

So while the idea of Horry in green would once have been wonderfully appealing, it's hard to get quite as excited about it at the present moment.   Like Finley, Horry would bring a good veteran presence and a high basketball IQ to the roster, and yes, there is always the chance that if healthy and used correctly, he could return to being Big Shot Bob right when the team needed him most.  I wouldn't rule it out, and thus, I can't completely steel myself against wanting this guy in town.  But he wouldn't be able to play big minutes and likely wouldn't completely assuage any remaining worries in the front-court. Given that plus what we saw from the 37-year-old last year, it's tough to make the case that the guy is completely worth the roster spot or whatever money the team will have to pay him.

So in the interest of middling, it looks like the temporary verdict here for now is one thumb semi-up and one thumb semi-down on Michael Finley and Robert Horry.   Here's hoping the Celtics can find better options at their respective positions, but if they can't, neither would be the world's worst acquisition.

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Are you serious? Didn’t these two guys retire on the court during the 2008 Western Conference Finals? ALright fine FInely might be a good choice but Horry HELL NO

Anyways I hope San Antonio wins the west next year because I’m sick of all these Laker fans who are claiming their team is going to 4-peat with Andrew Bynum who is supposedly the NEW SHAQ circa 2001

by Shaqzilla on Jul 28, 2008 12:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

got one word for these 2: ewww…

by bucknersrevenge on Jul 28, 2008 1:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Horry’s big in stature, but his game is small. Dude hasn’t grabbed a rebound since Bush’s first term.

by Cousin It on Jul 28, 2008 1:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wasn’t it Robert Horry who once threw a towel in Danny Ainge’s face during a game,when Danny was Head Coach of the Suns?

by MaxwellSmart on Jul 28, 2008 2:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Brent Barry was the Spurs’ veteran I’d have liked to sign.

Finley… meh… he was horrid, but as an insurance it could work. But would he agree on not being the first swingman from the bench?

I’m a big Horry fan as well, but he looks completely washed up and doesn’t even fit a need.

by cordobes on Jul 28, 2008 3:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Think Scals is better defensively and think he could score with more playing time and shots. We don’t need someone to “bump Scals down the depth chart”. What we need is someone with the skills of PJ Brown. I think we keep the spot open till the trade deadline.

by TrueGreen on Jul 28, 2008 4:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Plus, let us not forget, it was Robert Horry who threw a towel in Danny Ainge’s face when he was the coach of the Phoenix Suns to show him up.

by wildo05 on Jul 28, 2008 6:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, we certainly need a rotation big, despite all the POB hyperbole you read on this board.

But we also need a spot-up 3 to spread the floor, and Finley’s that guy.

by CoachBo on Jul 28, 2008 6:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’ll have to assume that Mr. Weinman didn’t see these two stiffs play in the WCF. They are D-O-N-E.

by Bankshot on Jul 28, 2008 6:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I totally disagree that Finley is done. His digits were good for the season and he’s still got the skills we need in a bench performer.

But, we’ve wasted a spot on O’Blount without addressing the glaring need for an inside backup. Not sure we can afford Finley.

by CoachBo on Jul 28, 2008 7:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I do not see Ainge rushing out there to make an offer to Horry or Finley. Bothe of these guys can still shoot, but the rest of their games have seriously deteriorated. Bonzi Wells could play rings around both of those guys, if what you want is a veteran scorer off the bench. So could Darius Miles if he’s healthy enough to play.

Here are some other guys I’d rather have: Walter Hermann, Tarence Kinsey, Morris Almond, Mickael Gelabale.

by Brickowski on Jul 28, 2008 7:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think Horry can still shoot with any consistency. He went 3 straight playoffs games without being able to knock down one shot. If he was younger, I’d say it was a fluke and he was just in a slump, but the guy is 36 years old. I think it’s a sign that he should retire. If he and Finley could still contribute positively to a championship run, the Spurs would want them back.

by Bankshot on Jul 28, 2008 7:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually, Bankshot, I did see the WCFs and referenced as much in my concern about the two players, particularly Horry.
-sw

by Steve Weinman on Jul 28, 2008 7:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

one does not really “bump” Scali down the depth chart do they? I assume you roll him down.

by Master Po on Jul 28, 2008 7:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I live in central Texas, and really like the Spurs, so I have a lot of chances to like the Spurs. Finley is really a horrid defender, individually and as a team defender. He just has Tim Duncan to cover for him. I don’t dislike Finley, but please don’t sign him. The guy is washed up.

by Ersatz on Jul 28, 2008 8:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

While I no longer live in Central Texas, I am a Spurs fan and agree with Ersatz about Finley’s defensive capabilities. He is not a good defender in any setting, individual or team. Tim Duncan, the best team defender of the past decade, was the only reason Finley even looked half-way decent at times. Plus, his shooting is something horrid. For a guy who is supposedly a shooter, 41% is not good. For every good game he had three miserable shooting performances. I like the guy, but he needs to hang it up.

by MizzouMerlin on Jul 28, 2008 9:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

CoachBo, you mention hyperbole, then go on to use the term “O’Blount.” That may not be the dictionary definition of hyperbole, but it’s in the same general vicinity — an extravagant phrasing intended to make a point. Pot, meet kettle.

I’m just giving you a hard time. Please don’t take me seriously. By the way, what does POB stand for?

by Cousin It on Jul 28, 2008 10:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cousin It, I’ll hazard a guess on “Patrick O’Bryant” — or perhaps O’Blount ;D

-sw

by Steve Weinman on Jul 28, 2008 10:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

PP, RA, Eddie House hit the three with regularity. TA can hit it and maybe RR might do it. We can spread the floor with the players we have. We don’t need a player just because he can hit a spot up three. Oh! forgot the maligned Scals. He could hit it if he got more shots off.

by TrueGreen on Jul 28, 2008 11:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What about Juwan Howard? He seems less dead then the other two, a little younger, a good locker room guy. I have no idea what he can bring for D though…

by chunnamark on Jul 28, 2008 1:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no to finley and the towel thrower- past their subprimes, postprimes, and retirementprimes. patrick o,bryant is a 2-3 year project. he’s big and if he learns the perk work ethic he is worth the gamble. for a pj need filler, nope.

by nazzbo on Jul 28, 2008 2:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

chunnamark said:
  What about Juwan Howard?

Now it’s getting REALLY scary in here …

by Cousin It on Jul 28, 2008 3:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Steve: Interesting debate you’ve sparked. 8)

Cousin It: Thank you for making me choke on my drink when I read your first comment! :P

Ersatz: I totally agree about the Western Conference Finals. Horry and Finley (to a lesser degree) couldn’t get up and down the court or play good defense for the giant forks sticking out of their respective backs…

chunkmark: “JuwannaBigPaycheck” Howard? Gawd, I hope not. :o

Brick: Walter Herrmann would be intriguing as a competative, versatile big. Where would he play though? ponder

by BleedinGreen417 on Jul 28, 2008 6:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There’s no hyperbole with POB. Danny missed the boat with him. You can’t cure lazy. It’s terminal.

by CoachBo on Jul 28, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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