Free Agent Shopping

These Maggettte and Posey comparisons really need to stop… Posey’s low offer compared to Maggette? If anyone is getting low-balled here is Maggette. His by far the better player of the two.

And I don’t want to here all these crap about how defense wins championships and how Posey’s defense is so much better. Yes, defense wins championships, but it’s not a good position to be in to have to rely on it to win games. You add to your offensive power, you play defense, and you have yourself a very powerful team. Maggette’s impact on our offense will far outweight Posey’s impact on defense.

Are we so delusional that we believe that our team will suffer that much defensively losing Posey when we have Perk and Garnett around? Do you guys really think our defense will suffer that much that you would pass on someone’s of Maggette’s caliber with the current defensive discipline our team has?

The fact is that our offense isn’t as good as it should be with the current personel. It should be a priority to improve it, and the gap between Maggette’s defense and Posey’s is much much smaller than the gap offensively.

Have you guys really thought this through? Do you guys imagine the kind of pressure we can put on other teams with the addition of Maggette? This is a guy that teams need to stop. Night after night opponents will have to try and contain 4 offensive powerhouses, who would still play defense. This isn’t the Laker’s one-dimensional team. We play both ends, and closing the gap between our Celtics defense and offense will vastly improve our team and make it better. Do you guys imagine having 2 or 3 guys from Ray, Pierce, Garnett, and Maggette on the floor at the same time? This team would be very very powerful, much better than the last one if the rest of the holes are filled right.

I’ve said it in another thread, but you can now understand how Pierce gets underratted around the national audience. People here are vastly underrating Maggette. His an all-star caliber player, goes strong to the hoop, gets fouled at an incredibly high rate… do you guys understand the kind of pressure it puts on other teams to try and contain a bench player that will get to the line about 10 times a game?

Could not disagree with you more, Budweiser.

No need to reiterate my position, because it’s clear: 17 went up because of the way we defended, not the way we scored the basketball, and Maggette isn’t a good defender. MUCH more to the game than offense.

Exactly… we won not because we defended, but because we needed to defend and we did. There’s a difference. You improve your offense and the need to defend lessens, but that doesn’t mean you stop defending.

And I ask again, are we so delusional that our team will stop defending if Posey is not here? What happened to the whole team defense talk and help defense talk through the season, was it all BS from us?

Posey’s good, important and valuable, but I think the big defensive opening is for Perk’s backup. He is so critical to their defensive play, but he can’t play 48 minutes and he’s vulnerable to injury. Powe will keep improving and get the defensive rotations down this year, but they really need a bulky guy who can play Perk’s backstop role. I think Danny’s working hard to see if he can find a youngish but experienced center with potential to blossom with the C’s.

Oh, and Maggette will be a steal if Doc and Danny can land him.

Can Maggette guard power forwards? The problem with Maggette in lieu of Posey is that, when they go small and put Garnett at center, who will play the 4?

Maggette is certainly a more prolific scorer. I don’t know about the rest of his game. I don’t recall seeing him play recently; he seems to have been hurt alot.

You use Scal when you go small, for better or worse or simply find some other guys capable of. It’s not a big deal, you might just not go small with this team. But Posey wasn’t much of a PF defender, unless it was a perimeter PF, and Maggette should be capable of doing the same.

i dont think what the celts will miss most from posey is the D. he got burned by both kobe and LBJ most of the time. ask the the poster from cleveland. pauls our best wing defender not posey. what well miss most from pose is the tenacity, hustle and his clutch threes

Corey is a below average defender, Brick, which is not to say that we can’t win with him. As a coach, though, scorers don’t fascinate me. They’re a dime a dozen.

Lockdown defenders fascinate me, and despite the attempts to disparage Posey’s defense since the Maggette issue arose, the guy stoned Bryant for several minutes at a time in the Finals. Plenty good enough for me to make this decision an easy one – for next year. With that said, if Posey’s asking for five years, we can’t do that. Three, definitely.

And one other thing, Danny Ainge: Don’t you dare sign Patrick O’Blount. You can’t fix lazy.

" Corey is a below average defender, Brick, which is not to say that we can’t win with him. As a coach, though, scorers don’t fascinate me. They’re a dime a dozen. "

Not like Corey. This guys doesn’t score because he’s a good shooter, that have to deal with a great deal of inconsistency. This guy simply produces points, and he does it by getting to the line, he does it in an efficient manner. For example, the guy scored 22 points a game last year with just 14 shot attempts per game. The most he has shot in a season has been 15 attempts per game, and he still manages to put impressive offensive numbers up. The year before that he averaged 17 points on 11 shot attempts per game… yeps our own Ray Allen off the bench (it isn’t much of an exaggeration of you studie the numbers).

The guy simply produces, and the thing people need to be impressed with is his ability to get easy points, by getting to the line. It puts an enormous ammount of pressure on the other team, especially with him coming off the bench and killing the second unit.

The gave posey the low offer in an attempt to get posey and maggette. We would be unstoppable if we got both.

Lets trust Danny, surely he knows that that locking up Posey long term will cripple our financial capabilities and if it is indeed that DA offer is only for 3 yrs, then that is all we should give Pose…He is a great defender but Im not gonna say He deserves a 4-5 yr deal he was lookin for.

Id be ecstatic if we can lock up Maggette as he is our replacement to Ray next yr if RA bolts out, All this will play out well for the C’s no matter what.

“Budweiser, I disagree that we can hide a lack of premier perimeter defenders with our bigs. We already foul more than our opponents. Perkins, Powe, and Davis all pick up a lot of cheap fouls. Lakers were a decent defensive team with a lack of great individual defenders, but plenty of offensive weapons…”

Find me exactly where I said that we can hide a lack of premier perimeter defenders with our bigs? I asked a question, do you think we’d loss that much defensively that we would pass on a player like Maggette when you have these types of players protecting the basket? Maggette is no bum defensively, sure he’s no James Posey, but he’s no Wally… (did you guys see Wally defending for the Cavs? He did more than an adequate job for them, so people can step it up. Maggette has the tools).

And yes, they get a bunch of cheap fouls… but they also get a ton of fouls because they contest each and every shot, that’s why for the most part we foul more than our opponents. Perk plays with our main group almost always anyways, so his foul troubles won’t stem from Maggette being there instead of Posey. Oh, and I guarantee you that with Maggette in there, the Celtics’ opponents will start fouling more than the Celtics.

Bud Celtic and Rockin RyA are both wrong. I agree with Coach Bo. Posey didn’t get burned by Kobe. In fact Posey was best defender on Kobe. (Pierce was awesome too). LeBron can take anyone but he can annihilate lesser defenders than Posey and Pierce.
Everyone likes to play GM for a day and in my mind I’d bump Posey offer to 3 years at MLE. O’Bryant is Kandi without the experience. No thanks! I think both Leon and BBD can D-up at the 4 so if Posey gets 4 years at MLE from someone, then Maggette could be great add. A great athlete can play D if he gets bitten by the system – it is mostly desire and pride – thus Maggette could be terrific. I would offer Eddie House $5 mil for two years. As far as Anderson…I likke it. Forget about other long white guys – Travis Knight, Chris Mihm – Anderson could be very interesting in our defensive system.
No thanks on Darius Miles or D Hamilton. And please, no more Tyron Lue sightings. Eddie House is known and loved and better shooter.

Which ever way we go, I’m just glad Ainge isn’t looking panic stricken at the prospect of losing Posey. In terms of what a team should offer a player in salary, enough’s enough.

I love Posey, and don’t want to discount the toughness and team chemistry he brings to a championship team, but if the choices are Posey or Maggette for five years at the entire MLE, the smart move is Maggette.

We’re remembering the Posey that played well on the defensive end and his some big shots against the Lakers, and not the one who struggled mightily on both ends against the Cavs for most of that series. Posey is a lockdown defender when on his game 9which is most of the time) but besides hitting threes and cutting tot he hoop off the handoff play with KG in the mid-post, he’s got no other offense anymore. What’s his offense going to look like with a few more year’s aging?

If isn’t easy for me to become objective (and a bit negative)in writing the above paragraph about Posey, because I love the guy and everything his game represents. But it’s Ainge’s job to determine both the short and long term for the Celtics, objectively an without sentiment.

I feel that Maggette is enough of an athlete with enough of a work ethic to become a very good defender int he right scheme. Offensively, he’s one of the most efficient swingmen int he league, and although he hasn’t used the threeball too much, actually shot the threeball a little bit better than Posey last year (38.4 to 38.0%). I have no doubt that he will be a great fit here in Boston, and the team will be able to win a title with him as the third swingman.

Regarding the Cs playing small, I think Pierce could actually play PF for six to ten minutes a night, under the right conditions. He might be giving up a little height at the defensive end, but will destroy every PF trying to cover him at the other end. He also has a lot of lower body strength, and is a better rebounder than Posey, as well as one of the best rebounding SFs around. A line up of PP, RA, Maggette, KG and a PG will be incredibly potent offensively, and should be very scrappy defensively.

“Lakers were a decent defensive team with a lack of great individual defenders, but plenty of offensive weapons…”

Why bring up the Lakers? With or without Posey this team will have a good amount of individual defenders.

That’s the thing, you guys are putting too much defensive credit on one player that doesn’t deserve it. We had quite a good amount of great defenders in the team, and we still do, and we’ll keep adding.

Posey is fully replaceable and fully upgradable.

The difference in the (apparent) contract offers to Posey and Maggette has nothing to do with defense or offense, it has to do with age. If we resign Posey, it becomes very important for Ainge to use part of the MLE to sign Giddens and Walker for some cheap, young legs 2 and 3 years from now. Maggette would eliminate the need for Giddens and Walker, so there’s no need to hold back any of the MLE.

I’d rather have Posey and think giving him a 4th year would be fine, but it makes much more sense to give the full MLE to Maggette.

Mike

Maggette seriously upgrades the 2nd unit which will keep the big three (big four) at championship level longer. There are other Posey’s out there, a little smaller, a little underrated, but they’re out there.

I’m sick of hearing about all these craptastic players they are trying out. Just sign Posey and be done with it! >:( None of these players are a better fit than Posey and that includes Maggette.

Sign Posey, House, Birdman (or better Zo)… NOW!

What got the Celtics to the championship is team defense. Posey’s defensive efforts were important, true enough, but it wasn’t as big as some claim here. If there is an individual who should get credit for raising the C’s defensive tenacity, it should be KG and no one else. It doesn’t make sense to tie up a bench role player to a long term deal especially at the age of 31. If he were 28, I might strongly consider that. Losing Posey would hurt us defensively but if the team maintains its defensive mindset from last year, I think we can move on much faster than anyone would expect.

im not against posey staying. but he has played sub par defensively during the playoffs. yeah he played great d on spurts, but when pp sits down and pose Ds up LBJ, he starts to score more. same with kobe. thats why i said TA would be better defender for posey. those have too explosive a first step too keep up.(actually TA did really well on kobe, in the few minutes he played kobe really had a hard time)

wat posey brings that few can replace is his clutchness.. those dagger threes? few can hit it with the pressure of the finals on

  If you want a defender and a TOUGH guy, sign Alonzo. He not only blocks shots, he IMTIMIDATES people!

I really don’t want Posey anymore. 4 years at full MLE = no to Posey, yes to Maggette.

Beside Maggette, I would like Andersen, House/Lue and Miles (who reportedly had an impressive workout with us) to round out the roster. If Miles is not good enough, which most would suspect, you can waive him and sign a player which is needed for the last open spot.

Lets try to sign Posey for 3 years at the MLE and Maggette can be plan B. It will be interesting to see what Ainge comes up with this summer.

so some guys suggests that if posey wont accept the deal we wont win it next year? if we do sign posey to the 5 year contract are we even sure of winning it?

as ive said im a fan of posey even when he was with memphis. that battier/posey combo was fun to watch. but their are lots of times i screamed in front of the tv to put TA in and try him coz pose was gettin burned