Gordon as he is likely to be more valuable as a trading piece than as a player in Chicago.

I disagree very strongly with this theory.

Ben Gordon will always have more value as a player to Chicago than as a trade asset. Every team in the league knows his flaws and nobody is going to give up a player who’s as capable a scorer …… which is important considering Chicago lack scoring. They also lack shooting if they move Ben with only two (Noce, Kirk) capable three point shooters in the lineup along with their zero post presences, that’ll be fun ….. There’s no other team in the league that will use Ben Gordon as their leading scorer, none (think through all the teams from A-W and realize how true that sentence is).

Why do you think Chicago haven’t been able to make a trade?

The answer is their pieces are far more valuable to them than to other teams. That causes a huge and constant complication for John Paxson. Johnny boy seems to have a hard time understanding this and seems to lose his patience when other teams disagree with his valuations of his own players (which reportedly are always grossly different to the team he’s negotiating with which is very easy to believe). The difference in player evaluations has been at the crux of every major trade that’s fallen through. Pax isn’t wrong when he only considers his own team, where he’s wrong is that he isn’t considering the other team.

They’re not getting any good offers for Ben Gordon. Ben Gordon isn’t a good trade asset. Kirk Hinrich’s trade value will be far higher than Ben Gordon’s because he can fit into anyone’s team and play his game without needing others to change their games for him. Gordon can’t. Hinrich plays a valuable position. Gordon plays the position (undersized two who only knows how to score) that scares the life out of teams.

The only Bull with good trade value is Luol Deng and that likely took a huge hit over his past season’s performance. Everyone else on that roster has poor trade value because of contracts are concerns over their actual talent/impact.

Think through some teams and ponder what they’d likely give up for Gordon. No All-Stars on that list, no borderline All-Stars on that list, no 20ppg scorers on that list. Nobody as young as Gordon on that list. Keep thinking it through. Write down your list. Look at your list. No way is that list good value for Ben Gordon.

Chicago – both Reisendorf and Paxson – have some odd love affair with Kirk Hinrich. It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if they actually kept him to play alongside Derrick Rose.

Best option for Chicago is to take apart their whole backcourt. I don’t see any one of them being apart of the long term picture there. They also need to get rid of Nocioni and there’s a good chance they’ll need just as radical a change with their interior players.

The only player that you could count on as maybe being in the picture is Luol Deng and since they’re – (1) Desperate for scoring (2) Deng can’t create his own shot consistently (3) He’s their best trade asset – he isn’t exactly locked into that spot in their future lineup. Noah has the next best shot but he has a lot of work to undergo on his game before locking up a spot.

Chicago got a lot of maneuvering to do. A lot of changes, big changes, to bring about. Derrick Rose changes your whole team and it has to be that way to work. The minute you drafted him instead of Beasley, knowingly or not, you committed to that.

I don’t see them making the necessary moves under John Paxson. He’s scared of making trades that aren’t perfect and he won’t get those perfect moves with this group. So they’ll do something else, hopefully the ideal deal falls on their doorstep and it works out for them because I’m not convinced they get a good ending any other way.

I wonder how good of a package a Ben Gordon deal would be… If my intuition doesn’t fail me, it tells me that his trade value is not good enough to move him right now. You’re better off keeping him, as I don’t envision him getting big deals around the league.

He’s also your biggest clutch shooter… when the team was successful, it was in part to 4th quarter heroics by him.

If you’re going to move Gordon, I think your best move would be to try and package him with Deng or Kirk, and see what you can get out of it. Maybe try to move him with Noah and see who bites.

Who, are you from Chicago? You seem to have the inside scope on that team. I would love to see Noah’s length, athleticism and energy on the C’s. He’s the guy I like when we looking at #5 in June 2007 draft. Most dismissed the idea as he wasn’t enough of a scorer. As we saw last year, you can win with defense.

Good posts, Who. You have put your finger on exactly why no one wants Gordon.

IMHO Sefolosha also has trade value. He has been underutilized in Chicago, but he can play. But apart from Hinrich and Deng, the rest of their roster is a curious mix of flawed, mismatched pieces. And their decision to take Rose instead of Beasley just makes the situation worse. How can a team with no inside scoring pass on Beasley? They could have resolved their pg issues by resigning Duhon.

celty86-follow steve’s posts every day and who seems to know the whole nba. i never liked the pickup of wallace who seems to have aged poorly. gordon is a superior eddie house and a perfect sixth man. i don’t see hinrich as a 2, and paxson seems to have lost his trading status 2 years ago when he went for wallace and stood pat with the rest. let chicago rust in peace.

Nope not from Chicago. There’s just a lot of good Bulls news out there because of all the rumours/media coverage over the past few years.

Is anyone watching summer league?

Chicago are getting killed by Indiana. I’m not sure if Indy have one NBA quality player on their roster. The Bulls have Rose/Thomas/Noah/Gray/Nichols/Langford/Curry.

The Pacers defense is just stopping Chicago from playing, nearly every possession is coming down to the final 4 seconds on the shot clock and a hail mary shot. Chicago’s offense looks horrific. Rose is failing to get his team enough easy shots. By the way, Vinny Del Negro is actually on the sidelines coaching here. Not good initial signs for the Bulls. Not exactly filling me with confidence over his coaching credentials. I can’t even describe how much of a mess Chicago are on both ends. Good news is Rose is doing better in transition today.

I gotta find out who’s coaching Indiana’s summer league team. They’re better prepared than any summer league team I’ve seen in recent years. It’s scary how well they’re drilled on both ends of the court. If Chicago were getting coached like this they’d be up 25 points now.

I think that’s Lester Conner over on the sidelines coaching the team. That’s interesting to know. Unusual to see a team like this in summer league.

Their point guard Earl Calloway looks like he’s playing his way into a NBA contract.