CTC: House or Cassell?
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Rondo is the undisputed starter who took a huge step last year and seems poised to take "the leap" this year. But he can't play the whole game and we do need a backup point guard to run the offense when he's not in the game. Currently the team doesn't have another prototypical pass-first point under contract. Some would say that if the team signs Sam Cassell they still won't. However, if and when Sam is signed, the decision will still be up to Doc on who to use first off the bench at the point.
There's an outside chance Gabe Pruitt could come in and win the job over everyone else. However, I don't think anyone expects that to happen, least of all the team. Otherwise why would they resign both House and Cassell? So I think it boils down to a competition between those two.
I've made it clear that I'm not a huge fan of bringing Sam back. House seemed to energize the crowd and stepped up in the Finals when the team needed him most. However, I don't think this contest is as lopsided as our last impressions may make it seem.
Consider if you will that the team was so unsure about the point position that they went out and picked up Cassell during mid season. I was all for the move at the time and I don't regret it one bit. The team needed a veteran point to control the tempo and provide a steady hand to the second unit. Doc sure seemed more comfortable with Sam for much of the playoffs. If you look at the game logs, you'll see just how little Eddie played before game 3 of the Finals.
Of course I was ready to strangle Shoot-First-Sam well before Doc shifted gears and let Eddie torch the Lakers. So that's what I remember most about last year. However, I'm willing to keep an open mind.
With a full training camp and preseason to work with the team, we can hope that Sam will understand the offense better and look for his shot a little less (or at least not until he's looked in the general direction of whichever star is out there with him). So at least some of his faults are curable. Eddie will forever be a shooting guard, no matter how long you try to shoehorn him into the point spot. If our offense can work with that or if the matchups allow for it, then great. Otherwise, we'll need someone that can initiate the offense.
So who do you think will end up being out backup point guard?
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Eddie House did a good job of backing up Rondo last season and Cassell was rather underwhelming. They went back to House in the Finals and he delivered. I say stay with House.
by FLCeltsFan @ CelticsBlog on Sep 24, 2008 7:25 AM EDT reply actions
I think House should be the stated backup to Rondo. Although not perfect, he did improve his ballhandling skills and ability to bring it up under pressure. He’s not the greatest playmaker, but he knows the offense and was critical in last year’s success. I’m not a fan of Sam and don’t know what his contract will be, but I see him as more of 2 guard on this team, even though, there could be better options. Sam can come in handy if he gets on a shooting hot streak and is able to post up and draw fouls better than Rondo or House. So he could have a place on this team. I don’t think we can have House competing with Sam because both play differently and using both on a regular basis destroys the chemistry of the team (on the floor). I think it should be made clear that Sam is here as security in case of injury. Also, if they are serious about Sam coaching here next year I don’t see why Sam would object. I also haven’t seen where Sam has been signed so this could all be conjecture. As to Pruitt, he is a developing player. We don’t know what he’s done this summer to improve his game. He should get some serious playing time if they really believe in his potential because all we need to do this year is get into the playoffs. I don’t think we need to play the season to get home court advantage as we did last year, but then again, with the teams we could be facing it could be more important than I think. Thus, as regard to this post, I really don’t have a clue and that’s why Doc is paid the big bucks and why I can shoot the breeze without being held accountable.
did I miss something? have we actually signed cassell? I don’t want him back;Pruitt is ready to earn minutes so I say give the kid a chance. eddie is adequate at the back up spot until Pruitt is ready to play more minutes and Eddie’s hustle is contagious. I love Sam’s competiveness and his ability to play under pressure but he never integrated himself into the offense or the defense last season and while having a training camp would no doubt help in that regard he still is an older player who can’t defend and has lost his speed.
And why are we wanting “Shoot First” Sam as a coach after this year either?
by docextension on Sep 24, 2008 8:21 AM EDT reply actions
I know that the conventional wisdom is that House is better because he played better last year, but I think that Cassell has some wily veteran skillz. He had a flat playoffs last year, but with a little more time to get things together, he’ll do a better job. If Rondo went down for any length of time, we’d be thanking our stars we had Cassell because he can do it night in and out. Add to that the fact that he’s played with Garnett and Ray for years and that he’ll be a better mentor to Rondo than House (because House isn’t as much a PG as an SG who can pass and has ok handles). Danny obviously still sees something in the Alien.
If it were a choice of cutting I would cut Cassell. But everyone should not forget that House is a “specialty” player. Regardless of how hard he plays and the “extra” things he brings. Don’t forget one reason we won this year, was because the team was so versatile and was able to adjust to any defensive and offensive schemes thrown at them. Both players contributed to this versatility. In the Detroit series House’s ball handling became a liability, believe it or not, Cassel’s ability to bring the ball up was a key in that series, I am sure a lot of PGs could do that, but in that series, House was not one of them.
All I am saying is keep an open mind. The team has to stay versatile to keep winning and as much as House contributes to some angles, Cassell can contribute in other angles.
Do you guys REALLY believe Gabe Pruitt is good enough, much less ready? If so, I hope you’re right.
I love House as our backup PG as long as we are not playing against a team that uses a one-man full court press like Lindsey Hunter does for the Pistons. It seems like Doc made the adjustment when this happens to have Paul or Ray bring the ball up the court and move Eddie to the 2. Seems simple enough.
by ShakersJacobson on Sep 24, 2008 9:02 AM EDT reply actions
I hope my passion for Posey’s veteran leadership (and clutch shooting/defense) doesn’t make me sound hypocritical when I prefer Cassell over House. (I hope that’s not a false choice, by the way. Why not both, again? Just wondering.)
I believe Cassell was a kind of necessary evil last year, and his plusses (barely) outweighed his negatives. Now I believe the opposite to be true. He’s too much of a presence, and crowds out House, who while not a great back-up is serviceable. I also think this gives Pruitt a chance to develop SOME. (Right?)
But yes, Sam has already worn out his welcome.
I’ve always been Anti-Sam for the very reasons he showed, pounding the ball and shooting more than passing.. but, you what I’m starting to get softer in my old age and I’ve come to conclusion that every decision made by the C’s will not be exactly what I want and there are reasons behind them. That said I think Sam as an off guard for a few minutes might be better than Sam as PG. His shots could be held in check and he still could impact the game with a big shot or 2. Kind of like Posey lite. Now would that actually work I doubt it. He’s got chief Personality with an indian game. Hopefully Pruitt steps up as the 3rd PG and Sam can start his Assistant Coaching career earlier than expected.
Not even close. House makes this team better and plays within the system. Cassell plays his own game. Add the fact that his tired old body is now another year older and it shouldn’t even be a debate. Ask Lindsay Hunter how well Sam can bring the ball up the court. (yes, you are all thinking of the image of him picking his pocket and laying the ball up followed by the hook from Doc)
House progressed as the season went on in his ball handling at the point. There are others on the floor that he can push the ball up to if he gets trapped.(which is the right play for any PG) Pruitt never got pressed in the times he was on the floor either. We don’t need Sam. UBUNTU is not in his vocabulary.
House or Cassell? I think we won’t even sign Cassell, so basically the discussion is over before it began.
by P_two on Sep 24, 2008 11:55 AM EDT reply actions
I like House as the backup. The real battle seems to be Cassell vs Pruit for 3rd string, if they want 3 points on the roster. If Ainge thinks Pruit has made progress and is up to the task, then I like Pruit. But if he has not shown improvement, then i wouldn’t be upset if he is waived and Cassell is signed.
My man Eddie. No question. Sam was never a top defender and his age may make him “wily” as one blogger hopes but it also makes him slower on the D end. Eddie is a good change of pace vs Rondo and his deficiencies bringing the ball up are way over-stated. Doc got him for bringing it up slow and he adjusted. Eddie worked selflessly on D, getting through picks and filling passing lanes, ie he got it on the D end. Plus he, not Sam, brings esprit de corps of the championship type. Pruitt may very well surprise us but we are hoping too much for something out of Pruitt, Giddens, Walker, OBryant I’ve got a hunch Giddens and OBryant make it. Luck would be too good if Walker and Pruitt make it too. Let’s see. The possibilites of Pruitt are more interesting than the known qualities of Sam
I dont think Cassell should even be on the roster, he’s starting to be in decline and doesn’t really fit into our offensive rhythm. House is a crowd favorite, and hits the big 3’s. It ain’t a blowout, but HOUSE is the winner.
Sam Cassell is still a hell of a lot better than Matt Cassel though
by celticsforlupper on Sep 25, 2008 2:54 AM EDT reply actions
EJ PLAYA wrote: “Not even close. House makes this team better and plays within the system. Cassell plays his own game.”
I agree. If Cassell has a role on this team, it’s only as the “if all else fails” go-to guy. Which, to be fair to Sam, this team occasionally needs.
by Thruthelookingglass on Sep 25, 2008 7:53 AM EDT reply actions





























