A Few Good Ideas

by Jeff Clark on Jan 1, 2009 2:41 PM EST in Articles Comment 34 comments

I asked for a few of your favorite trade ideas and you came up with a number of interesting options. There were too many to list here (you can see them all in the original post) but here are a few of my favorites.

A trade for Warrick and Ross from Memphis. (by ssspence) I'm a Syracuse fan so I like Warrick's upside and Quinton would fit in defensively. I also like his Nocioni trade to an extent, but I'm not sure Danny would sign up for that salary over the next several years (and I couldn't blame him).

Getting Gadzuric from the Bucks. (by Wide Load) Before this team became Champs, it always seemed like Gadzuks saved his best for when he played the Celtics. So sign me up.

Also, I'm a little biased, but I like a few of my ideas too.

Anything with Oklahoma City to help them trim their surplus of big men.

There was a lot of talk about getting Jeff Foster, but Indy obviously likes him too. So we'd have to help them get rid of Tinsley as well. So I worked out a 3 way deal involving the Thunder that would (in theory) help everyone. Well, in truth the Thunder get kind of hosed, so maybe we could get Indy to toss a lottery protected draft pick their way.

None of these ideas is perfect, but that only proves my point. The trade options for Danny and the Celtics are pretty limited. So we have to hope that Danny can either be creative, patient, or lucky, and hopefully all of the above.

Feel free to keep the fun going in our Trade Forums.

Poll

Which idea do you like the best?

Warrick/Ross for Tony/Baby

113 votes

Gadzuric for Giddens/Baby/etc

39 votes

Joe Smith for Giddens/Scal

306 votes

Robert Swift for junk

62 votes

Collison for Tony

62 votes

Jeff Foster 3 way trade (Tinsley dump)

65 votes

None of the Above

108 votes

755 votes | Poll has closed

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Difficult question to answer, because I’d like to get Joe Smith – but they’re not going to move him for Scal and Giddens.

So, with that said, Tony for Collison is my choice. Swapping for an intelligent big who has publicly said he wants out of OKC. Bench gets size, and its cumulative IQ goes up.

by CoachBo on Jan 1, 2009 3:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

yeah, it is always hard to define what is “best” because some are “more reasonable” or “more likely” and some are more favorable to us but less likely

"Would I rather be feared or loved? Easy. Both. I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." Michael Scott

by Jeff Clark on Jan 1, 2009 4:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Hakim and Q-Ross for TA and Baby

Hakim can flat out score, which we all agree we need on the second unit. He attacks the hoop for an athletic and fast big man and gets to the line a lot. He has a decent jumper as well. He also provides some steals and blocks. He is definitely a major upgrade over Baby, but we would still have to bring in another big man whoever it may be, because Warrick is only 6-9 220. As for Ross, he is a nice little player who can play D especially. He’s a not a very good shooter, but can provide here and there. He would replace TA with the Defensive wing position on the second unit. I would like to see JR or Bill Walker given a shot at this position as well. Because both are athletic freaks who can score and be active on the defensive end.

by bigtyc55 on Jan 1, 2009 4:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Warrick’s not much of a defender, so that gives me significant pause on that deal. We should have signed Ross as a free agent.

by CoachBo on Jan 1, 2009 4:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I think there are only two ideas the other team would bite

Gadzuric for Giddens/Baby/etc

Personally, I don’t like this for the C’s. I follow the Bucks quite a bit and I’m fully convinced Gadz would be a downgrade from Baby. I’ve explained my point of view in detail here:
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=24471.msg398396#msg398396

Collison for Tony

I don’t know if the Thunder can’t get a better offer than this, we’d probably need to add lots of money and a couple of picks. Still, I’d need to know some wing backups would be available, via FA or a new trade, to do this. A defensive swingman is one of the most important roles in a team, IMO, and I strongly suspect Walker and Giddens aren’t anywhere near ready to play that role.

by cordobes on Jan 1, 2009 4:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Collison makes six large. It would take more than Tony to get him.

by CoachBo on Jan 1, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I know

I’m assuming Allen+Scal+one of the kids as in the original trade idea. I’m skeptical if this is enough for them, even with us adding money though.

by cordobes on Jan 1, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’d be willing to throw a second at them, as well.

Collison would fit nicely with this group.

by CoachBo on Jan 1, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Damien Wilkins and Collison for TA, Scals, House, and Big Baby

I would love to pick up Damien. I think he is a decent swing defender that could help us!!

http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/4/

by Smitty77 on Jan 1, 2009 4:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I think something like this is what will end up happening

OKC has expressed interest in TA in the past. OKC is using Wilkins less and less. By trading a package to OKC for Wilkins and Smith, we “might” solve the majority of our issues in one stroke. The trade checker shows that variations like Baby, TA, a rookie and Scal for Smith and Wilkins works. Wilkins isn’t great but he isn’t a turnover machine like TA and is a better shooter. I believe he’d be a small upgrade net but also be more consistent. Obviously there are nights that TA plays and he is a complete negative. That would end. As far as Smith, he is everything we need down low.

Of course it works on the trade checker to trade Scal and TA for a fellow named Posey. The point is our trading partner must be happy too. I have no idea if OKC would do it. It makes a lot of sense that past teams we have worked with, Portland, Minny, Sea/OKC or Memphis because he’s our ex GM, is where we need to focus our wag’s at

by wahz on Jan 1, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

too complex

I think the simpler the ideas the better

I just can’t see the Celtics trading 4 regular rotation guys

"Would I rather be feared or loved? Easy. Both. I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." Michael Scott

by Jeff Clark on Jan 1, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

you may be right but my suggestion was 2 of our reg rotation guys not 4.

TA and Baby, and Scal and say Givens. In any case, if we have to do two separate moves, great. I feel like we need Smith and its worth stetching to get him. I don’t care about Damien in particular but he isn’t bad.

I think we all know what the miracle moves would be: Getting Smith without losing more than TA and Scal and a throw in, and then signing a cheap free agent who can score and is at least reasonable on d and not a locker room liability. Thats what I am praying for. If we can that or do better than that Danny will have improved a lot on what the summer looks like right now.

Thanks for all your hard work, Jeff and have a great New Year.

by wahz on Jan 1, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd consider going after Carlos Delfino

With the remaining MLE. He can defend, score and is though as nails. Not the ideal fit, but he could help our wing rotation and, well, it’d be cheap.

Then, I’d try to put up a trade for Joe Smith. I don’t know if we have the assets to do that. Scal would need to be packed with $3 million in order to make up for his remaining year. Then, we’d need them to fall in love with one of our youngsters. Hard to say if that’s the case.

by cordobes on Jan 1, 2009 4:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

If someone was to replace James Posey, I think Carlos Delfino is one of the better suited. I don’t think his defense is as good and I doubt his character would have the same influence in Boston. So I totally agree with you!

by Shots on Jan 1, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He plays in Russia for $4 mil per this year

I would definitely like Delfino, but can he get out of his contract in Moscow? He’s be an excellent fit, I think.

by Mencius on Jan 1, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, but scroll down

I explained his contractual situation and why he might get out of his contract in another comment

by cordobes on Jan 1, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Is there a possibility of getting Delfino from Europe? Didn’t he sign for 10 million or something large like that? I do like that idea though.

by RebusRankin on Jan 1, 2009 4:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Word is...

.. that the main sponsors of his current club (which is basically a creation of a few russian millionaires, without a proper fan-base – I was once at one of their games and there were like 1.000 people on the stands and the tickets were basically free) were severely hit by the financial crisis. Also, they have recently hired another coach – Coach Skariolo – who, as far as I’m told, is not Delfino’s biggest fan. It’s also becoming obvious it won’t be this year they’ll be able to compete with CSKA Moscow. I think they’d welcome a buy-out with open arms. Delfino is also unhappy there (Russian winters aren’t for everybody and the club is not exactly located in Moscow), so, yeah, I think it’s a possibility, just like it happen with Krstic, who they replaced with the much cheaper (and former Celtic) Esteban Batista. I maybe wrong though.

by cordobes on Jan 1, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

That’s an interesting notion.

Also saw during an Atlanta telecast that Childress is miserable over there and will be back next year. Don’t have any idea what the parameters of getting Childress would be.

by CoachBo on Jan 1, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Childress is a slightly different situation

He has been a flop so far, so I think Oly wouldn’t mind to negotiate a buy-out, as he’s the biggest contract in their pay-roll and not more than a role-player on the floor. But I think Atlanta would match any offer we could make.

Delfino, OTHO, I don’t think the Raptors would match because that would put them over the luxury tax threshold and their ownership completely prohibits going over the tax. Of course, I’m assuming Wyc would be more liberal with his money.

by cordobes on Jan 1, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Which, if the summer is any indication, is an inexplicably unsafe assumption.

by CoachBo on Jan 1, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Does Atl still retain the right of first refusal?

by CoachBo on Jan 1, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

They do.

by cordobes on Jan 1, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeps

Very probably.

by cordobes on Jan 1, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Great information Cordobes

by Who on Jan 2, 2009 5:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Gadz would be another blount….with out the bubblegum.

by tommyfan on Jan 1, 2009 5:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

we MUST get rid of the baby

it doesn’t matter who how or what..the baby is bad for boston. we must get rid of him..i get so tired of watching him, all he does is moan and groan..

by nottinyarchibald on Jan 1, 2009 5:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

i’m of the opinion that we need help at the 3 more than at the 4/5 (J. MOON)
that said hakeem warick is an intriguing idea , is he a pure power forward or can he play the 3 at all?

by arctic 3.0 on Jan 1, 2009 6:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Cordobes, didn’t realize the situation with Delfino. Thanks.

by RebusRankin on Jan 1, 2009 6:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Trade Scal

Confucius say Scalabrine’s only shortcoming is his longstaying.

by charlie chan on Jan 1, 2009 8:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

If only we could get Memphis and OKC to agree to this

It’s actually not that insane.

by gingerbreadmann on Jan 1, 2009 8:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Any trade that gives us value for Big Baby sounds right to me. Any bench does not need two undersized powerforwards and I doubt anyone would claim that Baby is doing better than Powe. That being said, he’s got upside which Scal/POB doesn’t really have.

So I say bring in Warrick and Ross, even though I doubt Memphis would do it..

by Shots on Jan 1, 2009 8:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Pipedream to snag Magette

The ONLY reason GS might not hang up the phone is that they’ve already soured on Magette, and he’s got a fairly expensive 5 year contract. This worked on trade checker:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=236713834291021497&teams=99992&te=&cash=9:2

Scal, Tony, Giddens, Sam, and cash for Magette.

Scal, Tony and Giddens all expire after next year. Sam, this year. They’d just cut Sam immediately.

The ONLY reason for them to do this is to dump Magette’s salary, but I suspect if they were of a mind to deal magette, they could do a lot better than this. If they had any interest in Baby, I’d send him instead of (or in addition to) Giddens.

Not likely, but Magette would sure solve a lot of offensive problems on the second unit.

by Mencius on Jan 1, 2009 9:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs