A Few Good Ideas
by Jeff Clark on Jan 1, 2009 2:41 PM EST
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PrintI asked for a few of your favorite trade ideas and you came up with a number of interesting options. There were too many to list here (you can see them all in the original post) but here are a few of my favorites.
A trade for Warrick and Ross from Memphis. (by ssspence) I'm a Syracuse fan so I like Warrick's upside and Quinton would fit in defensively. I also like his Nocioni trade to an extent, but I'm not sure Danny would sign up for that salary over the next several years (and I couldn't blame him).
Getting Gadzuric from the Bucks. (by Wide Load) Before this team became Champs, it always seemed like Gadzuks saved his best for when he played the Celtics. So sign me up.
Also, I'm a little biased, but I like a few of my ideas too.
Anything with Oklahoma City to help them trim their surplus of big men.
There was a lot of talk about getting Jeff Foster, but Indy obviously likes him too. So we'd have to help them get rid of Tinsley as well. So I worked out a 3 way deal involving the Thunder that would (in theory) help everyone. Well, in truth the Thunder get kind of hosed, so maybe we could get Indy to toss a lottery protected draft pick their way.
None of these ideas is perfect, but that only proves my point. The trade options for Danny and the Celtics are pretty limited. So we have to hope that Danny can either be creative, patient, or lucky, and hopefully all of the above.
Feel free to keep the fun going in our Trade Forums.
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Hakim and Q-Ross for TA and Baby
Hakim can flat out score, which we all agree we need on the second unit. He attacks the hoop for an athletic and fast big man and gets to the line a lot. He has a decent jumper as well. He also provides some steals and blocks. He is definitely a major upgrade over Baby, but we would still have to bring in another big man whoever it may be, because Warrick is only 6-9 220. As for Ross, he is a nice little player who can play D especially. He’s a not a very good shooter, but can provide here and there. He would replace TA with the Defensive wing position on the second unit. I would like to see JR or Bill Walker given a shot at this position as well. Because both are athletic freaks who can score and be active on the defensive end.
I think there are only two ideas the other team would bite
Gadzuric for Giddens/Baby/etc
Personally, I don’t like this for the C’s. I follow the Bucks quite a bit and I’m fully convinced Gadz would be a downgrade from Baby. I’ve explained my point of view in detail here:
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=24471.msg398396#msg398396
Collison for Tony
I don’t know if the Thunder can’t get a better offer than this, we’d probably need to add lots of money and a couple of picks. Still, I’d need to know some wing backups would be available, via FA or a new trade, to do this. A defensive swingman is one of the most important roles in a team, IMO, and I strongly suspect Walker and Giddens aren’t anywhere near ready to play that role.
Yeah, I know
I’m assuming Allen+Scal+one of the kids as in the original trade idea. I’m skeptical if this is enough for them, even with us adding money though.
Damien Wilkins and Collison for TA, Scals, House, and Big Baby
I would love to pick up Damien. I think he is a decent swing defender that could help us!!
I think something like this is what will end up happening
OKC has expressed interest in TA in the past. OKC is using Wilkins less and less. By trading a package to OKC for Wilkins and Smith, we “might” solve the majority of our issues in one stroke. The trade checker shows that variations like Baby, TA, a rookie and Scal for Smith and Wilkins works. Wilkins isn’t great but he isn’t a turnover machine like TA and is a better shooter. I believe he’d be a small upgrade net but also be more consistent. Obviously there are nights that TA plays and he is a complete negative. That would end. As far as Smith, he is everything we need down low.
Of course it works on the trade checker to trade Scal and TA for a fellow named Posey. The point is our trading partner must be happy too. I have no idea if OKC would do it. It makes a lot of sense that past teams we have worked with, Portland, Minny, Sea/OKC or Memphis because he’s our ex GM, is where we need to focus our wag’s at
too complex
I think the simpler the ideas the better
I just can’t see the Celtics trading 4 regular rotation guys
"Would I rather be feared or loved? Easy. Both. I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." Michael Scott
you may be right but my suggestion was 2 of our reg rotation guys not 4.
TA and Baby, and Scal and say Givens. In any case, if we have to do two separate moves, great. I feel like we need Smith and its worth stetching to get him. I don’t care about Damien in particular but he isn’t bad.
I think we all know what the miracle moves would be: Getting Smith without losing more than TA and Scal and a throw in, and then signing a cheap free agent who can score and is at least reasonable on d and not a locker room liability. Thats what I am praying for. If we can that or do better than that Danny will have improved a lot on what the summer looks like right now.
Thanks for all your hard work, Jeff and have a great New Year.
I'd consider going after Carlos Delfino
With the remaining MLE. He can defend, score and is though as nails. Not the ideal fit, but he could help our wing rotation and, well, it’d be cheap.
Then, I’d try to put up a trade for Joe Smith. I don’t know if we have the assets to do that. Scal would need to be packed with $3 million in order to make up for his remaining year. Then, we’d need them to fall in love with one of our youngsters. Hard to say if that’s the case.
He plays in Russia for $4 mil per this year
I would definitely like Delfino, but can he get out of his contract in Moscow? He’s be an excellent fit, I think.
Yeah, but scroll down
I explained his contractual situation and why he might get out of his contract in another comment
Is there a possibility of getting Delfino from Europe? Didn’t he sign for 10 million or something large like that? I do like that idea though.
Word is...
.. that the main sponsors of his current club (which is basically a creation of a few russian millionaires, without a proper fan-base – I was once at one of their games and there were like 1.000 people on the stands and the tickets were basically free) were severely hit by the financial crisis. Also, they have recently hired another coach – Coach Skariolo – who, as far as I’m told, is not Delfino’s biggest fan. It’s also becoming obvious it won’t be this year they’ll be able to compete with CSKA Moscow. I think they’d welcome a buy-out with open arms. Delfino is also unhappy there (Russian winters aren’t for everybody and the club is not exactly located in Moscow), so, yeah, I think it’s a possibility, just like it happen with Krstic, who they replaced with the much cheaper (and former Celtic) Esteban Batista. I maybe wrong though.
by cordobes on Jan 1, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s an interesting notion.
Also saw during an Atlanta telecast that Childress is miserable over there and will be back next year. Don’t have any idea what the parameters of getting Childress would be.
Childress is a slightly different situation
He has been a flop so far, so I think Oly wouldn’t mind to negotiate a buy-out, as he’s the biggest contract in their pay-roll and not more than a role-player on the floor. But I think Atlanta would match any offer we could make.
Delfino, OTHO, I don’t think the Raptors would match because that would put them over the luxury tax threshold and their ownership completely prohibits going over the tax. Of course, I’m assuming Wyc would be more liberal with his money.
we MUST get rid of the baby
it doesn’t matter who how or what..the baby is bad for boston. we must get rid of him..i get so tired of watching him, all he does is moan and groan..
by nottinyarchibald on Jan 1, 2009 5:40 PM EST reply actions
Trade Scal
Confucius say Scalabrine’s only shortcoming is his longstaying.
Any trade that gives us value for Big Baby sounds right to me. Any bench does not need two undersized powerforwards and I doubt anyone would claim that Baby is doing better than Powe. That being said, he’s got upside which Scal/POB doesn’t really have.
So I say bring in Warrick and Ross, even though I doubt Memphis would do it..
Pipedream to snag Magette
The ONLY reason GS might not hang up the phone is that they’ve already soured on Magette, and he’s got a fairly expensive 5 year contract. This worked on trade checker:
Scal, Tony, Giddens, Sam, and cash for Magette.
Scal, Tony and Giddens all expire after next year. Sam, this year. They’d just cut Sam immediately.
The ONLY reason for them to do this is to dump Magette’s salary, but I suspect if they were of a mind to deal magette, they could do a lot better than this. If they had any interest in Baby, I’d send him instead of (or in addition to) Giddens.
Not likely, but Magette would sure solve a lot of offensive problems on the second unit.
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