Back On Their Feet
by Jeff Clark on Jan 11, 2009 3:13 PM EST
in Boston Celtics Games
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| Starters | Min | FG | 3Pt | FT | +/- | Off | Reb | Ast | TO | Stl | BS | BA | PF | Pts | |
| R. Allen | G | 43:21 | 11-14 | 8-10 | 6-6 | +12 | 0 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 36 |
| R. Rondo | G | 37:57 | 5-12 | 0-1 | 4-5 | +14 | 1 | 6 | 11 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 3 | 14 |
| B. Scalabrine | C | 25:13 | 3-5 | 1-2 | 0-0 | +15 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 6 | 7 |
| P. Pierce | F | 40:35 | 5-11 | 1-4 | 0-0 | -4 | 0 | 6 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 11 |
| K. Garnett | F | 39:01 | 3-16 | 0-1 | 4-6 | +9 | 2 | 11 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 10 |
| Bench | Min | FG | 3Pt | FT | +/- | Off | Reb | Ast | TO | Stl | BS | BA | PF | Pts | |
| G. Davis | 30:04 | 1-12 | 0-0 | 4-6 | +1 | 5 | 11 | 0 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 4 | 6 | |
| E. House | 9:19 | 2-4 | 0-2 | 0-0 | -8 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 4 | |
| L. Powe | 8:59 | 2-3 | 0-0 | 1-1 | -3 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 5 | |
| G. Pruitt | 5:29 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 1-2 | -6 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | |
| Totals | 32-78 | 10-20 | 20-26 | 10 | 43 | 22 | 12 | 5 | 4 | 10 | 24 | 94 | |||
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Thank you Ray!
He’s the only reason the Celtics won.
Not the only reason
Rondo was spectacular in this game. If anyone but Ray could hit a shot, he would have had 20 assists. With that said when Ray Allen plays like that I never feel like we can lose.
SCOTT
A win is a win right? well, this was an ugly win to say the least, Ray Allen had his best game of the season, we were up 20 to start the 4th and won by 6, Im not going to even get into how bad KG played, but it was bad.
Raptors should be coming into Boston with some confidence after that 4th quarter
by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 11, 2009 3:23 PM EST reply actions
Same thing, they just had a big lead thanks to Ray
Without the 78% shooting (and 8 threes) by RayRay, this one goes down as another loss…
At least the defense in the 1st three quarters was better, and only 12 turnovers was a big improvement!
by nba is the worst on Jan 11, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Celtics would have lost again if not for Ray's ridiculous game
Ray cannot have this kind of spectacular game every night. Which means under normal circumstances, the Cs lose this game too. (Lucky for them the Raptors had an off shooting day, in addition to Ray lighting up.)
There are 4 basic problems:
1) GLEN DAVIS IS NOT AN NBA CALIBER PLAYER. Period. Maybe if he lost 50 lbs and worked on his jump shot another couple of years, he would be ok. But the former is not going to happen, and the latter doesn’t matter anyway. He STINKS, and will always stink. Yeah, I know, he works hard, especially on defense. Hey, the guy would not make the roster of ANY other NBA team. What the hell is he doing on the Celtics?
2) RONDO HAS TWO PROBLEMS: (a) He too often drives to a spot with NO IDEA of what he intends to do when he gets there. That’s just ridiculous. Have a plan, man, EVERY TIME. (b) Get a jump shot. He did not make one the whole game. Get Rondo a shooting coach and have him in the gym every day until he finishes 20,000 jump shots.
3) THERE’S SOMETHING WRONG WITH PIERCE. Even when he has had good games (and this was certainly not one of them), he has not had the energy, the force or the attitude he had last year. Something is going on with Paul… could be sick, hurt, insomniac, depressed, old, I don’t know. (There are times when Paul turns the ball over – which he has been doing in EVERY game, at least twice today – when it looks like he is TRYING to throw the game, it’s that bad.)
4) DOC RIVERS NEEDS TO GET HIS HEAD EXAMINED. Is there another coach in the NBA who would give Glen Friggin Davis as many minutes as he got today? I don’t think so. The man cannot play the game of basketball. And he is certainly no athlete. WHAT THE HELL IS HE DOING ON THE COURT?
Misc notes:
- Scal was a pleasant surprise; he’s a lot better than we thought (and smart, which is very important… witness the opposite with TA).
- Would have been nice to see our rookies on the floor tonight. Especially when everybody else (except for Ray) ran out of gas.
- KG is having his problems, but I’m not worried about him because he seems healthy, great fierce attitude as always, and he will always bounce back.
- Seriously though, they need to find out what’s wrong with Paul. Full med workup, talk to him, figure out his sleep/rest patterns, the works.
I hate
when people rip apart the roster up and down, yet give KG a break
Yeah theres a problem with pierce, its called he shouldve never come back into this game, but I forgot the injury excuse only works in regards to KG
Glen Davis was fine today, hes better than Leon…he couldnt hit the broad side of a barn, but neither could KG, so please
by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 11, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
you don't have to apologize for being wrong..
BBD is a beautiful mess on the court…he’s fun to watch, but in a tragicomedy sort of way-no redeeming qualities whatsoever, other than his heart. Powe is our second best rebounder, if he could pick up his defensive rotations he would be a our Number 2 on the second unti…if we had a number one…
Big Baby actually wasn't that bad
He put up 11 boards, five offensive rebounds. Played some good defense.
He couldn’t hit a shot outside or under the basket, and while it was frustrating, it wasn’t detrimental. KG didn’t shoot much better.
He’s earned his playing time with good effort and tough defense.
THERE’S SOMETHING WRONG WITH PIERCE. Even when he has had good games (and this was certainly not one of them), he has not had the energy, the force or the attitude he had last year. Something is going on with Paul… could be sick, hurt, insomniac, depresse
This comment is so out of line it makes me sick…..and I honestly am shocked at how 2 people can watch the same game and feel ,completly different, sure pierce didnt play well…but Id replace KG everywhere you said paul
by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 11, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
KG
I don’t think he’s “guilty of poor play”. His defense is fine. His man on defense isn’t different. He’s not a great man on defender away from the basket which is where teams take him. His near the basket man on defense is fine. His team defense is great, as is his hustle. He’s setting picks and moving without the ball to set those picks. He’s not shooting well. He’s missing shots he usually makes and he’s not putting them in under the basket, unless wide open. (He was really no better at that then BBD yesterday). The outside shots he’s missing are hitting the front of the rim or are bricks (from trying to compensate). Compensate for what? Injury? Fatigue?. My guess is leg injury. And they don’t advertise when a player is injured unless it’s a few game thing as with Perk and TA.
Ok, you win the prize for the stupidest comment of the day
- “Glen Davis was fine today”? Are you out of your mind? Lol…. the guy CANNOT PLAY THIS GAME. Hello?!? Ok, I get it, you’re psychotic and hallucinated the game you thought you saw.
- Btw, Paul was bad before and after the injury. And he has been off in every game this year, even the good ones. Read the post.
Actually your comments are a disgrace
ripping the captain apart…yet giving KG a pass, whos playing worse
by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 11, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
At least I agree with 1 of your 4 points
There is definitely something wrong with PIerce. In the Cleveland game he looked fatigued, worn out. Today wasn’t much different.
You’re completely wrong on Glenn Davis. Today was an abomination from the field, there is no arguing that. But he’s been playing quality basketball. All he needs to do is start finishing better at the rim (something he was doing a lot better last year) and he’s fine. Everything else he’s doing out there is great. Specifically his defensive rotations, offensive rebounding and the 15 foot jump shot have been stellar as of late. That’s why he’s playing.
Your issues with Rondo are what make him so great. A lot of the time Rondo does have a plan, he’s just very good at disguising it until the last minute. He’s also talented enough to make those amazing passes while in the air that somehow seem to always go right in a Celtic’s hands. He does not need a jump shot. He showed today how much of an impact he can have without hitting a single one.
SCOTT
Agreed except...
Rondo needs a jump shot in the worst way possible. If he had one, we would be talking about the best point guard in the NBA…ok maybe two behind CP3…but not by much if at all.
Rondo gets a jumpshot
…and that’s all, folks. Think about what it would do to teams if he developed a sure-thing pull-up in-the-lane jumper (which I think is an essential tool for a great pg). They would have to spend all their time game-planning for him. It would give people fits, nightmares. If I’m Doc it’s my #1 project, Doc Rivers could kill you with his pull-up jumper.
Without argument, Davis rotates well on defensive and is rather sly in slipping himself in to sneak out offensive rebounds. But his outside shot is, at best, very mediocre.
Last year Davis was more of an unknown commodity, and could occasionally score well due to his high basketball IQ. But now the other teams have him figured out, and he’s an offensive liabilty.
O’Bryant is the only answer I see on the bench as the backup center.
A guard with no jump shot is ok?
Excuse me, but WHATEVER kind of guard you are… point or shooting… you gotta have a jump shot in the NBA. A guard without a jumper is like a flat-chested Hooters girl or, say, a center without height or ups (you know, like BBD). The term “guard with no jump shot” is in fact a perfect oxymoron. So no, it’s not ok that Rondo has no jumper. He must have one. He needs to get one (which is just a matter of coaching and work). If he does not he can go flip hamburgers somewhere, because he does not belong in the NBA.
Overboard
DRJ1, I agree that Rondo needs a jumpshot, but to say that he does not belong in the NBA without one is preposterous. He clearly does belong in the NBA, because he’s been here for three years without a jumper. His lack of a jumpshot is made up for by his great speed, quickness, finishing ability, passing, and defense. Without a jumpshot, Rondo is what he is right now, a solid player with great potential who can take over games occasionally (even without a jumper). If and when he does get a consistent jumper, like that other guy said, he’s right up there with CP3, as one of the best point guards in the NBA. There’s still time for him to get a jumper, too. Tony Parker was developing his at this point in his career. And Rondo is a better passer and defender than Parker. So, like I said, he’s a good player without a jumper, an amazing player once he gets one. But he certainly deserves to be in the league, regardless.
by misterx2day on Jan 11, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
A blind man could see the problem with Glen Davis.
Glen Davis can’t cut it offensively in the paint. He was 1 for 12 today. He simply hasn’t the height or the jumping ability to play down low. The opposing teams now know he can’t get his shot off if you simply stay on the ground and in position. His bulk helps him to adequately block out and rebound, but it makes him earthbound as a scorer. The opposition seldom has to pay for cheating off him in the paint.
As a center, I simply don’t see how Patrick O’Bryant wouldn’t be an improvement over Davis. It’s not even questionable that O’Bryant is a far better leaper, more skilled in his offensive moves, and a better finisher at the rim. I simply don’t buy the idea that Davis proves defense or some intangibles that overall make him a better player than O’Bryant.
Agree about POB
Patrick is a much better option than Baby. And he has lots of room to grow… he could end up a great player. Davis will never, NEVER be even an adequate player. Doc is nuts to be playing BBD this long while POB sits on the bench. Absolutely nuts. Hey Danny… talk to Doc willya? Tell him the next time Big Baby gets this many minutes in any game, the coach will be looking for a new job.
100% right on this...
BBD is a big fat SF. That’s what he is plain and simple. He will never be able to finish around the basket because of his lack of hops. His size prevents him from being a consistent rebounder. The guy is a very likable funny guy it seems, but he is never going to be any better than he is right now. The sad part is that if he lost the weight he wouldn’t be talented enough to keep him in the NBA. He can’t dribble or shoot either which makes him a no go as a SF. It is time to put a real sized center in there. Give POB 10 games of BBD’s minutes and see if the guy won’t produce better.
six free throw...
between PP and KF is not gonna cut it. I read where Danny is fine with the way this team is constituted not sure I agree, but most importantly the execution sucks. On eof the big issues I tthink is that the second unit CANNOT maintain a lead. Even in blowouts, the first unit constantly has to “save the day.” That has got to get old very quickly. We need a “small” and a “big” for our bench.
If hustle was all it takes, Eddie House could play center.
Garnett is who he is, an excellent power forward, but one who doesn’t play down low. That makes it all the more necessary to have a center tall enough to finish in the paint. Perkins is barely adequate in that area (and much better in others), but Glen Davis can’t get the job done.
If Ainge can’t acquire a skilled veteran big man, than Doc needs to be playing O’Bryant.
a win is a win, blah blah, but if not for ray it would have been humiliating. but they won and toronto tho with injuries is playing a lot worse than they should. bbd missed too many bunnies and had a big opportunity to showcase himself. didn’t happen. pob like gabe before him, does not need big minutes but should have been on the floor today for 5-10. come on doc, show some guts. this team will get better and show some more grit but this team needs an infusion of talent the sooner the better.
Scalabrine vs Graham
Did anything happen between these 2 or just blowing off steam?
good on ya Scal!
by Ruben Wolkowyski on Jan 11, 2009 4:08 PM EST reply actions
C's need to get their confidence back...
Good win. But you could see even with a 20 pt lead, the Celts started playing to protect the lead, not extend it.
They threw the ball away, missed multiple bunnies, and then left Raptor shooters wide open.
C’s need a few wins in a row to get their confidence back.
Got me nervous
Did anyone else think they were gonna blow it in the 4th..? A couple more wins, preferably comfortable ones, these guys will be back in the right frame of mind.
JB
by KobeWearsAPurpleThong on Jan 11, 2009 4:48 PM EST reply actions
It wan’t pretty, but they defended the paint well enough to win.
The way Perkins has been playing they were better off without him. But I’m worried about Pierce. He looks slow and IMHO he is either injured or exhaused.
They can win without Perkins, but they can’t win consistently without Pierce contributing what he typically does.
a win is a win... glad the (road) losing streaks have stopped
but then again 4th quarter… outscored by 14?
I Don't Buy That
He looked slow against Cleveland and he looked slow before he hurt his knee. I’m not buying that as a reason.
PP did say after the game...
…that his knee has been sore the past few weeks; the contact with Scal just aggravated it.
Agreed
Some piece of whatever motivates Pierce appears to be missing. He doesn’t seem to be enjoying himself even when playing well. Grimacing much more than usual. His execution and passing is not crisp, and is at worst flat out lackadaisical. Not what we’ve come to expect from one of grittiest players on the planet. Could be nagging injuries I guess, but I have no earthly idea.
And FWIW, KG still seems intense, but it appears less focused now. The result is that there also appears to be a lack of the leadership that drove this team last year and even earlier this season.
by Thruthelookingglass on Jan 11, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
emotionally drained
this team is emotionally drained to say the least. And we have a very weak bench.
It will be a miracle for this group as it stands today to win an NBA crown this year.
I suggest they all go somewhere warm over the allstar break and get some spa love …then play the 2nd season with the type of energy they are capable of& hope danny can bring a big seasoned old pro to help our guys get the mojo working again.
The hugs of posey & KG are missing….Obrien is not as good a hug for KG.
GET REST & keep trying…the road goes through Cleveland I’m afarid.
Go C’s…..
At this point, we needed a win and we got it. It wasnt the prettiest win, but its one game closer to going back to top of the eastern conference where we should be and where we will be. And as far as Paul Pierce goes, I think he’s still great. He’s had some amazing games these past 2 weeks or so, in my opinion. But when the rest of the team isnt playing as well it may be harder for him to be as enthusiastic about it, atleast openly. I think everyone has been too hard on them during this slump, but if we dont believe in them, who will?
by faithfulcelticfan34 on Jan 11, 2009 11:26 PM EST reply actions
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