Perk Out At Least A Week
Not good news concerning Perkins. From the Herald.
Celtics coach Doc Rivers believes Perkins will be inactive for at least a week."
Usually when it comes out, it's not that it's undone the surgery, but there's been damage and it moved," Rivers said. "There's nothing you can do about it, it's just one of those injuries.
"We just have to basically be lucky because it's going to go back out again. We know it will, and it's just dumb luck. It's not career ending, but it could be a career problem and it has been so far in his young career.
“It’s tough not having Perk, especially when you are playing power 5’s,” Rivers said. “Now you are stuck putting Kevin (Garnett) on that, which you don’t want because it kills his energy and it doesn’t allow him to roam the way we want him to roam.
“With Perk it has to be frustrating because (this happens) right when he feels good. But this is the second time this year and this is the worse of the two. It actually happened in the first quarter of the Lakers game and he’s not been able, to rebound at all.”
Maybe it is time to dust off Notorious POB and give him a little run in meaningful minutes.
You wouldn't think the Nets would be much to worry about, but they've played surprisingly well this year (19-19) and rookie Brook Lopez got 31 points and 13 rebounds against the Thunder last night. So you can't underestimate the center spot. Besides, I don't think this team can afford to look past anyone at this point.
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I hate to say this..
Sometimes, it need to happen.. So that Boston Management will wake up on what they are missing on this team.
I just hope they can find way to solve this problem and find ONE that can fill the post of Perk.
Take some good rest Perk, and be ready for Playoff and Finals.
by spoiled on Jan 13, 2009 8:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Boston Management
Both Danny and Doc know exactly what may or may not be missing on this team. Danny is one of the hardest working GM’s in the business. You usually don’t see him at games because he’s out scouting colleges, D-league or any other place in the world where there might be a good player. Others are also out scouting. In addition Danny watches alot of film (without sound). First of all, we will never know what Danny is looking into something until he does something. Anything you read is via the rumor mill. Second, he might want to do something, but is not able to put it together for whatever reason. For years he was telling PP he was trying to make the team better and nothing happened. Then last year happened. The one thing we can be sure of is that Danny knows what is going on.
by TrueGreen on Jan 13, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, no.
He left Doc without a competent 5. The bench has little shooting and less defense.
Danny makes mistakes. Lots of them. Like this past summer – which was one big mistake.
He had a great summer 2007. And a terrible summer 2008.
Hopefully he’s out working on correcting his mistakes from the latter.
by CoachBo on Jan 14, 2009 7:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
most likely we’re going to see POB log some minutes this week. i had hoped that he would have earned his time on the floor before injury compelled his use. unfortunately that is not the case. lets hope he rotates properly on D and shows some passion.
if he does not see floor time when perk is out danny will need to pick up a center somewhere… not working from a position of strength…
on lopez: current success aside, seems to me that the twolves future would be so much brighter if they had drafted lopez to play alongside big al (who could move back to is natural position @ 4)
by arctic 3.0 on Jan 13, 2009 8:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think POB will play much this week
I just believe he doesn’t fit in Doc’s system, at least not this year. He’d rather play Scal, Davis and Garnett in that position.
I wish we had PJ
by greenwise on Jan 13, 2009 9:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Scal, Davis and Garnett are all better options.
I wish we had PJ, too.
by CoachBo on Jan 14, 2009 7:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Garnett, Powe and Davis will handle NJ’s front line just fine without POB, although I have no objection to POB getting some meaningful minutes.
On reflection, this team needs a tall small forward off the bench more than it needs another big man. With Tony Allen sidelined, Pierce and Ray Allen are playing too many minutes.
by Brickowski on Jan 13, 2009 9:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
time for a decent back up center
YOu can start Scal and rely on Leon Powe against teams like Toronto, and the Nets. But against elite teams your toast.
by sdhman11 on Jan 13, 2009 9:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
true
still not sure why we didn’t get Mutombo, but hopefully Danny has a plan
"Would I rather be feared or loved? Easy. Both. I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." Michael Scott
by Jeff Clark on Jan 13, 2009 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Despite Mutombo's "Boston or San Antonio" comment,
I’m not sure there was ever all that much chance that he was leaving Houston. Sadly, I think it could be more of the same with my next top available choice – Alonzo Mourning.
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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Jan 13, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He indicated he was interested
but the Boston brass dragged their feet
maybe Danny was right to pass on him, but I’m pretty sure that option was out there for us
"Would I rather be feared or loved? Easy. Both. I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." Michael Scott
by Jeff Clark on Jan 13, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In that case
I’m that much more bummed out than I initially was.
As far as Danny being right to pass on him, if that means I could see us winning a title without Mutombo, yes, I don’t think we’re cooked. But as I think most others would, I feel significantly confident that he would have done nothing but helped this team.
Oh, well. Water under the bridge. We’ve won two in a row, and our biggest problem now appears to be Glen Davis. :-) (Just kidding about that, folks…kind of). Time to keep looking ahead.
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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Jan 13, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d start POB just to get him some run, and playing with the first unit would take pressure off of him. . . . But Doc isn’t going to play him, so it’s all for naught.
On another note, Perk got hurt against the Lakers on Christmas, but he also got hurt against the Lakers in the Finals. Dirty play or coincidence?
by amenhotep04 on Jan 13, 2009 9:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Coincidence
Don’t think any of the plays that Perk got hurt on were dirty.
by TrueGreen on Jan 13, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with brick
we do need a wing who can take on the tough defensive assignments, and give pierce some rest.
jamario moon is my first choice, though i think we will have to wait till the summer to sign him…
we also need POB to step up or we will be hurting by the time joe smith or anyone else is bought out…
by arctic 3.0 on Jan 13, 2009 9:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I really don't care how bad POB is...
he is 7 feet tall and he needs to be out there to at least foul 6 times. If that buys us 10 less minutes of an undersized guy on a center then its all gravy.
by WillyBeamin on Jan 13, 2009 9:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If POB gives fouls like he usually does then we might as well be -12 every time he’s on the floor. Stronger players will just back him down into the paint and own him every time.
Bleed Green. What does it mean?
by CelticsHooRah on Jan 13, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I'm saying
If that’s what it comes to, teams trying to iso on POB on the block, wrap them up, 6 straight times, that should take atleast 5-10 minutes which is all I want. Maybe he’ll block a shot and alter another in that time, and have a put back or a baby hook. Anything is better than BBD.
by WillyBeamin on Jan 13, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't understand
how they expect the guy to play with “fire” and passion when he isn’t a part of this team. he is the only healthy center on our team and doc still won’t give him 5 minutes of playing time, how motivated would any of us be in that situation?
by WillyBeamin on Jan 13, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Read The Leon Powe Story
Leon sat on the bench for a long time. When he got the chance to play he was ready. Same for Ryan Gomes. POB isn’t, and may never be, ready. If he was he would be playing.
by TrueGreen on Jan 13, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not good news at all, and Ive noticed he hasnt been the same player since he hurt it in LA..it’s too bad, hes been having his best season and now this shoulder is going to plague him physically and mentally for the rest of it….Pierces Knee hasnt been much different
And I agree with others, if this doesnt get doc to dust off POB, what the heck will? I think hes been sending danny signals, like playing the big 3 40+ , nearly 50 minutes on bum legs and knees….we need help!
by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 13, 2009 9:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
not to mention starting scalabrine at center
What happens when we play phoenix and Perk isnt ready to come back, scal on shaq? lol
by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 13, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1+1 = 5
I think we are planning for Cassell to play on BBD’s shoulders.
by Thruthelookingglass on Jan 13, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Shaq Secret
The way to beat Shaq is to play him physically and ideally to make him run the court. He will most likely have a good first half, but is done in the second half. That’s the way Perk has done it in the past. The only guy who has a chance against Shaq is BBD because of his low center of gravity. He can make Shaq work. The other possibility is Scal’s who might be able to deny him the ball or keep him guessing. If Rondo can up the tempo that may be the key.
by TrueGreen on Jan 13, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Center is now a major issue
They may need to adjust their long term thinking and get another center in here who can step in for Perk when his shoulder flares up and play significant minutes if necessary. Maybe O’Bryant can eventually be that guy, but not his year and if you think he’s going to step in now and contribute, study the NBA a little longer.
The ship is starting to spring leaks all over the place…..Everyone wants to be optimistic about the win but I saw KG, Pierce and Allen all playing 40 minutes plus. That cannot continue over the long haul.
by Kuberski33 on Jan 13, 2009 9:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He's not even close to last year's level??
Man, do people make judgments based on ridiculously small sample sizes. I would venture to say the person was referring to when they most and last saw Pierce, the Finals. Nobody plays at that level for 82 games. Or do they mean how Pierce was the first 40 games last year? I doubt they even know what that “level” was.
Hasn’t everyone learned how this Celtics team works(sans the recent down times as a team)? That no one individual cares who gets the #s? Ray can go for 30+ one game, then Paul the next, how absurd would it be for me to claim that Pierce has exceeded last year’s level based on the 39 point gem we saw last night?
by KJ33 on Jan 13, 2009 10:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sean Grande
Sean Grande on Mohegan Sun Sports said tonite you can gauge how PP is doing by how he plays in a game where he needs to take over a game in order to the win it. Max told him that and also told him that PP is not dependent on Rondo as Ray might be. If you want to gauge PP watch yesterday’s Toronto game again. As you say KJ33, this is not the same team as it was several years ago when PP had to carry it every nite and you can’t compare PP’s performance or that of KG or Ray to what they have done in the past, which could even be the last game played. He plays the game differently now because of the better players who surround him. Each game is different and any player could be the difference maker on different nights. With Perk being out KG needs to concentrate more on the way he plays defense. The harder he needs to work on defense the worse his offense will be. Against Toronto he played great defense and rebounded well. His shots didn’t go and haven’t been lately. This could be due to Perk playing hurt without us knowing it and KG knowing he had to cover up for Perk.
by TrueGreen on Jan 13, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wish Doc would play POB but doubt he will
NJ would be a good matchup for POB, with their young length. Doc won’t likely experiment here, though, but will give Scal and Powe the minutes instead. How does a guy get a chance to develop without practice time other than in games? How does he have a chance to prove himself?
by footey on Jan 13, 2009 10:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pruit has showed some signs
with regards to Ray Allen…..Gabe can supply some well neede rest time too…..he plays and distributes the ball well…and has a good team up with Eddie House….
sure hope his minutes would grow…..he does have a good jump shot…..
by celtpinoy on Jan 13, 2009 10:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
POB
Not the answer. Would rather have Scals, BBD and Leon cover for Perk. I do agree we need a veteran Big who can play, especially on the defensive end. Got to get PJ back here.
by TrueGreen on Jan 13, 2009 10:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is it possible that Ainge and Doc are actually hiding O'Bryant on purpose?
This is off the wall, and probably pure nonsense. But I was wondering about it, so I’ll throw it out consideration.
Point one, many of us have been arguing that O’Bryant should be given some playing time to show what he can do. Point two, with Perkins down, it seems like a convenient time to do so, at least as a backup. Yet for some reason, point three, some of us sense that O’Bryant won’t be seeing any real minutes.
Then point four, yesterday, BillfromBoston was discussing the idea that Glen Davis was being showcased. http://www.celticsblog.com/2009/1/12/718211/about-big-baby#comments
So this all leads to the thought (again, perhaps ridiculous) that maybe Ainge doesn’t want any other general manager seeing what O’Bryant can do in real minutes. Maybe O’Bryant is more ‘ready’ than some of us think. And if Ainge is showcasing Davis (which of course, is debatable), then perhaps he doesn’t want to queer the deal by having anyone decide they’d rather trade for O’Bryant than Davis. Maybe Ainge knows he has something more in O’Bryant than most of us guess.
Just a thought.
by no kidding on Jan 13, 2009 10:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Don't Think So
I also thought BBD was being showcased because he was coming in before Leon. I don’t think it has anything to do with hiding POB. This is thinking from a few years back when we were trying to deal young players. Now it’s about winning every game. That’s the only game that is being played. Doc has his reasons for playing BBD and not playing POB. I think we all read too much into every little thing that goes on.
by TrueGreen on Jan 13, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There are plenty of good reasons to hide Paddy. That isn’t one of them.
by CoachBo on Jan 14, 2009 7:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would Danny . . .
actually tell Doc to play a player because he wants to try and trade him? I don’t think Danny would do that. POB could give us some minutes, even ten a game and be serviceable. He might foul out in those ten minutes, but it would be a start. Perk’s shoulder looks to be a long term problem. So Danny’s got to be thinking about getting not only a short term fix for the five spot, but also long term. POB may be his long term solution, but we definitely need a short term fix. KG is not nearly as effective playing the five. He needs another big next to him. POB just isn’t that bad not to have some playing time with Perk out.
What POB would bring at least for a few minutes a game is a low post presence on offense.
by amenhotep04 on Jan 13, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you misunderstand?
I wasn’t suggesting Ainge is telling Doc not to play O’Bryant because he wants to trade him. Rather, he’d be saying to Doc, don’t play O’Bryant, because right now I want us to showcase Davis, so I can trade him – and, if you play O’Bryant, the gm’s I’m talking to might decide they’d rather have O’Bryant, rather than Davis.
Of course, this would only make sense if Ainge feels strongly, from watching practice, that O’Bryant might be a more valuable of a commodity than Davis. And if he wants to trade Davis, he might then be motivated to hide O’Bryant until he does.
by no kidding on Jan 13, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops.
Amenhotep04, I read a “not” into your first sentence, and totally misconstrued it. So nevermind.
by no kidding on Jan 13, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Doc/Danny Relationship
Danny and Doc talk alot. Danny will make suggestions to Doc. But Doc is the Coach and he makes the decisions on who plays and who doesn’t regardless of what Danny might suggest. As to POB, he doesn’t have the strength to play the position regardless of his skill level or whether or not he has the “fire”. BBD and Powe have the strength and the “fire” and that is why they play.
by TrueGreen on Jan 13, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The cap doesn't prevent us from signing someone to a ten day contract does it?
I guess we have to assume he’d reject it but Id at least offer a ten day to Zo and say come try us out and see how you feel about the guys and Doc. And if there is someone we really are waiting for let them know they are who we want but we have to sign someone right now with Perk out. We picked up POB as a project so make that clear to any incoming roster players
by wahz on Jan 13, 2009 10:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
O’Bryant will be playing 10mpg after the all-star game but won’t play anything other than garbage time before that.
by Finkelskyhook on Jan 13, 2009 11:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
zo looks like a miami guy like motumbo was a houston guy. joe smith seems like a cleveland guy. who’s left?
by nazzbo on Jan 13, 2009 11:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, its discouraging, we just have to hope. as other have said they weren’t so hot on Deke so youd think they felt good about someone. I clearly recall DA seemed confident last year we’d get pj and sam and it happened so, maybe its gonna all work out
by wahz on Jan 13, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just hating these last minute signings because there will be so little practice.
Pj looked like he took a good long while to fit in but he did ending up looking seamless, and I don’t think Sam ever did smooth out.. I am sure we will all wish we knew wed somehow get one quality guy at least. I agree too that although we are deperate for a big a shooter at guard or wing may be as important.
by wahz on Jan 13, 2009 11:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Paul is back. But....
Paul had his best game of the season last night. Played almost 50 minutes (wow) and was NOT tired at all… said after the game that he could go another quarter. Said it was because of extra rest and the hyperbaric chamber. This is GREAT news for the Cs…. they must have a healthy PP to win.
Perk on the other hand can no longer be counted on. His season, and I fear his career, are nearing an end. His shoulder is just too delicate… serious injury is coming from contact that would be considered trivial to any healthy player (like Sunday’s slap on the arm). The Cs must now plan for a Perk-less season.
The theory that the Cs are “showcasing” BBD for a trade seems ridiculous to me, only because they aren’t “showcasing” anything… they’re only ensuring that nobody will take him, because he has SUCKED, badly. He simply does not have the physical attributes necessary to be an NBA player — he is too short for his position, no length, no ups, no speed and no shot. WHY would any other team want a player like that, exactly? Is this the “greater fool” theory? There is no GM that silly in the league.
POB and Pruitt need more minutes NOW, especially POB, who has shown us some good stuff, and who DOES have the physical attributes of, and potential to be, a great center. We won’t know (in time) unless we give him his shot. And anyway, it’s not like the Cs have a choice. BBD is not a choice… it’s a disaster.
by DRJ1 on Jan 13, 2009 12:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
you are so dramatic...
yesterday it was this team would be lucky to reach 50 wins (would have to finished the season 19-23 to do so), now perk’s season and career are over because of some shoulder stiffness.
you know how many players in the league have recurring injuries that force them to miss time in spurts throughout the season? look at McGrady, Bardon Davis, Jermaine O’Neal, etc. and all those players are asked to do so much more for their teams then we need from perk. He will be back, he will play like the perk we know, then his shoulder will probably stiffen up, and he’ll miss a few games. this sort of thing is not that uncommon.
by WillyBeamin on Jan 13, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, it's not stiffness
Perk has real injury… read what Rivers said. And what caused his shoulder to “go out”? A slap on the arm. So what will happen when he gets really slammed? Forget it, Perk is done… maybe, maybe if he rests for the rest of the season, and gets very lucky, he’ll get back to normal. But with a shoulder that delicate, it’s virtually impossible for him to survive this season. If you read what Rivers said, you can see that he realizes that.
by DRJ1 on Jan 13, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I retract the "lucky to reach 50" prediction
….because Paul had his best game of the year last night. More energetic than I’ve EVER seen him. He said, and I believe, that he could have gone another quarter, after playing ~50 minutes. So whatever was wrong with him, they’ve figured it out, and it seems fixed. With a healthy, energetic, fighting PP, the Cs have a much better shot. They still need to get a center (POB, please) and get Rondo a jump shot… but things are looking much better now with PP back in form.
by DRJ1 on Jan 13, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are very dramatic
“things are looking so much better” after one good performance from paul and hes a depressed bum when he has a bad game… sheesh
And assuming perkins is done for the season is the dumbest thing ive heard in a while
by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 13, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
which part of what doc said...
was it: “"When it comes out, usually it takes a couple of days or a week or so”
that certainly doesn’t make it sound career ending…neither does:
“It’s not career ending, but it could be a career problem”… which is exactly what I said.
I wish you were vegas and I could bet the over on 50 wins this year.
by WillyBeamin on Jan 13, 2009 1:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Believe it, Perk is done
Doc said “Usually when it comes out, it’s not that it’s undone the surgery, but there’s been damage and it moved.” If your shoulder “moves” and is “damaged” because you are slapped on the arm, you cannot survive in the NBA. Doc was being kind or optimistic about Perk’s career, and in truth, you never know… with a lot of rest and treatment, maybe his shoulder could eventually heal well. But for this season, Perk absolutely cannot be relied on. We must assume he’s not going to make it.
by DRJ1 on Jan 13, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shoulder problems are no joke.
C-Webb changed into a finesse player because of his problems, and D-Wade was trash last yer because of his.
I think Perk is just as important to this team as any of the other starters. Opposing bigs have take it to KG. Not Perk.
I’ve hurt both of my shoulders, and rest will do nothing but give time for pain to go away for now. IT DOES NOT HEAL, and it will get hurt again. Eventually he’s going to get this taken care of.
by wondahbap on Jan 13, 2009 4:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
w/ DRJ. This reminds me of Larry’s later years when you didn’t know one moment to the next if he could play.
by The Real Large James 2 on Jan 13, 2009 6:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think Scalabrine should replace Perk in the starting lineup but play limited minutes, with Powe eating up most of Perk’s minutes.
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