Landry and Wanting That Last Shot
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The Lakers and Rockets played a fanastic game on Tuesday night in Houston, complete with lead-changing threes from Shane Battier and Kobe Bryant, some very odd decision-making from Yao Ming and Rafer Alston doing, um, Rafer Alston things. But among the several other noteworthy occurrences of the last minute of a 105-100 Lakers victory, Carl Landry made a curious play of his own.
Disclaimer: There isn't a ton to complain about with Landry in the first place, and that was especially true on Tuesday night. Normally, he's an undersized power forward who uses his shots quite efficiently, spends some time dunking over bigger guys, crashes the boards hard, doesn't back down from anybody and gives the Rockets aggressive play all over the court. On Tuesday, he gave a shorthanded Rockets team (no Tracy McGrady, no Ron Artest) 21 points (8-of-12 from the field, 5-of-5 from the line) and eight rebounds in 30 minutes off the bench. He even banged a few jumpers from 15 to 20 feet.
All that said, in the interest of not being unappreciative, this piece isn't so much of a complaint on my end as it is a question about Landry's mentality was in the final 20 seconds of the contest.
With the Rockets down two points and a minute to play, Derek Fisher poked the ball away from Rafer Alston. But Kobe Bryant couldn't save it to a Laker, and the Rockets capitalized on the ensuing broken play, getting an open look for Shane Battier in the left corner. The three was Battier's only made basket of the game, and it gave the Rockets a one-point lead. That Bryant fellow answered back with a deep three of his own over Battier to put the Lakers back up two with 27 ticks to play.
That set up the confusing sequence. After the Rockets burned a few seconds off the clock on the next possession, Rafer Alston got the ball to Landry on the right side of the basket from roughly 15 feet out. Landry hesitated, realized he had a wide-open look, started to square to shoot, pulled the ball down, hesitated again, looked to pass despite still having no Lakers anywhere near him and finally gave the ball back to Alston at the top. Alston went to the rim, got fouled and promptly missed two freebies. A few LA foul shots and another Houston miss later, it was over.
Though Landry's part in the whole thing took only a few seconds, it's the part that makes me wonder. Watching it in real time, my first reaction was disbelief: Here's a guy who has the hot hand shooting the ball tonight and has a comfortable look clearly within his range, and he doesn't want to take this shot? Landry looked like he simply didn't want the ball in his hands in that situation. He looked toward the rim not once but twice on the play and both times couldn't bring himself to shoot the basketball. Even though it's a shot he can hit. Even though it's a shot he did hit on multiple occasions that night. Even though the team was unlikely to get a better look at the basket than an open 15-footer with barely 15 seconds to play.
But on the other hand, thinking about it deep into the night afterward made me reconsider if I was being fair to Landry. While he shot the ball well last night, he shoots just 42.6 percent on jump shots for the season. As my colleague Tom from The Dream Shake suggested to me via e-mail Tuesday, Landry may have been reversing the ball to Alston with the expectation that it would be dropped off to Yao Ming on the other side of the floor. So maybe the young power forward was trying to make what he saw as the right play for the team.
But as a player at this level, the look Landry had is a shot he needs to be able to hit when wide open, and again, it's a shot he can and did hit. At a level where just about everyone seems to want the ball in his hands, does it say something about Landry that he didn't seem to want any part of being responsible for a potential final shot?
Maybe I'm over-thinking this one. It was one split-second decision on one play of one game of one regular season of what should be many to come for Carl Landry. But the apparent lack of interest in taking that big shot with the game on the line sure makes me wonder a bit.
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Roger Mason
In contrast to Roger Mason, who last night took the big shot and made it, plus the freebie to win the game. Mason defends too.
Do you think it might have something to do with the coaching? (I do.)
To be fair
Mason is in the top ten in 3 pointers made and #1 in 3pt % at over 47%.
I don’t see Landry on either one of those lists.
It’s no secret that not every NBA player wants the burden of taking the big shots.
Some are able to overcome this in time, others are not.
Celtics fans should be thankful that we have more than one player ready and willing to put the game in their hands.
Mason Defends?
I think him being a Spur may make him a defender, as opposed to him being a good defender.
Regardless of the Mason has continued to be clutch. Could it be coaching? Maybe. The Spurs are always ready. That is what separates the the good teams from the contending teams. Houston never gets it done when it matters.
Just think of the series of events surrounding that Landry missed opportunity. Rafer misses two FT’s, and the Rockets couldn’t execute a play to get a 3-Pt shot off in an attempt to tie. Yao badly missed a 2-Pt attempt.
Landry should’ve taken the shot. He was wide open. Houston just doesn’t have the stones.
Mason defends
He was a good defender before being a Spur.
Players can change as they shift to higher levels.
You mentioned Landry’s at the NBA level, and at that level “just about everyone seems to want the ball in his hands.” I’d quibble with that.
It’s a fairly obvious thing, but it’s worth pointing out that tons of players lose their confidence as they move up in layers. A shot they wouldn’t think twice of taking in high school, might be one they’d hesitant on in college, and totally pass up in the NBA. Players can define themselves at higher levels. We’ve all seen guys who wouldn’t shoot for some team we’ve watched, but would score like juggernauts on the play ground.
Yessir, it looks like I am
since it looks like we’ve only got three instead of the four I originally thought we’re going. Much thanks again. I’m also supposed to be meeting a couple of the folks from Blazer’s Edge to give them some of your second set of seats as well. We owe ya one.
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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Jan 15, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
And, while I realize it's absurd for me to ask of something "in return" for your free seats,
I want to hear how that league game of yours goes tonight! If you’re passing up your seats for this, you’d best go get a win…good luck, sir…
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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Jan 15, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Haha. I'll let you know.
I would’ve gone if we didn’t have all these byes or cancellations due to weather or holidays these past few weeks. As much as I love to watch basketball, I love playing even more.
Oh by the way, Our color is yellow. Haha.
That's just not right
Four Lakers fans on a team in the Northeast…and the color yellow to go with them. Awful.
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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Jan 15, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Overthinking it a little bit...
If there were less time on the clock, let’s say 7-10 seconds, I’d have to agree with you. But Carl Landry is not their go to guy, hot hand or not. If he had taken the shot and missed, the headline might read something like:
Carl Landry for the Win?? Really??
That’s a tough position for basically a role player in Carl Landry. I mean if Brian Scalabrine is having a good night, and he gets the ball in the same position with the same amount of time left on the clock, I do not want him taking that shot. Again, that’s just me. Not because I don’t think Scal can make that shot. We know he can. However how many game winners has Scal attempted in his career? It’s a whole different ball game at that stage of the game and I always feel better watching Pierce miss a game winner than a role player. So I have to back Landry here, I think the made the right call.
SCOTT
He can hit that shot, we was hitting that shot,
He should have taken tht shot. Up until that point, he was having his best game of the season. The point is to win the game, so if he can take and make that shot numerous times throughout the game, why shouldn’t he take that SAME shot, when opportunity knocks? Because his name is Carl Landry? Without Carl Landry, they’re not in position to even have that shot.
Plus, there was no Ron Ron, no T-Wac. So he has as much right to that shot as anyone else on the floor. Rafer couldn’t come through.
Roger Mason for the win? Really? Yes, because he can and did make the shot and because the Spurs, like any elite team want to win. Names mean nothing, results do.
Landry hit 2-3 of those shots in the 4th to keep them in it.
I was there
I watched this all unfold from about 50 feet away. Carl was simply surprised he was that open. Normally, when you hesitate at all… you shouldn’t take the shot. Plus, he was probably under direct instructions by Coach Sleepy to pass the ball to Yao (via Rafer).
Rafer, of course, being the type that listens to no one, decided to take a floater… miss… and then get fouled. Which I’d have been fine with, if only you replaced the name “Rafer” with “Aaron Brooks”.
BUT...
He is a pro. He has to take that shot unless as you mentioned, “he was probably under direct instructions by Coach Sleepy to pass the ball to Yao (via Rafer).”
Take the shot. Whatever the play the coach called, a player has to be ready to take a wide open shot in a situation like that.
Similar situation: Indiana’s Jeff Foster a couple days ago @ the Lakers.
With potentially the same result...
Foster wide open, hesitates, and misses badly, preserving the Lakers’ win.
Even Ray Allen tends to miss whenever he hesitates before the release!
by nba is the worst on Jan 16, 2009 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
Yup
He did hesitate, which surprised me a little bit. As Steve quoted, I did say that he was trying to reverse the ball, and I maintain that, but yes, thinking more about it, I do remember him hesitating just for a second. Any player in the NBA who is in open space and is eligible to receive a pass needs to be ready to do something, whether it’s shoot or pass right away. Can’t hesitate.
"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
"needs to be ready to do something, whether it's shoot or pass"
I think that’s the best point of all – and something I should have stressed more in the piece. Thanks for bringing that up, Tom.
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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Jan 16, 2009 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
And what are the chances of getting that better look?
In those situations, with teams switching everything, it’s not that easy to get a better look than that one. I don’t see it as a big mistake – just a not very good play from a very young player; IMO Steve is indeed over-thinking a bit -; but he should have taken the shot.
You always want to take the bests shot possible, but it’s subjective: I gave the example of Foster the night before. Foster shouldn’t have passed the shot because he didn’t have a clear passing lane – the play was broken – and there weren’t so many seconds available. IIf Foster (or, say, Leon Powe) was in Landry’s situation, with still so many seconds to go, I’d agree he should have passed that shot. But Landry has been making that shot this season, there was a defensive failure, he needs to read it and react accordingly: taking the easy shot they offered him.
Am I mistaken?
Wasn’t that a shot taken by Foster?
by nba is the worst on Jan 16, 2009 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
Painful to admit but right now
the Lakers are too good. I’m a Cavs fan tomorrow night and LBJ better come with the same fire in the belly against the Lakers as he did with Celtics last Friday.
by The Real Large James 2 on Jan 15, 2009 4:09 PM EST reply actions
The Cavs with Ilgauskas are better than the Lakers. Without Ilgauskas, the Cavs will have problems with the Laker frontcourt.
Having said that, the Cavs are still a much better defensive team.
Personally, I’ll never root against Delonte West unless the Cavs are playing the Celtics. So I’m rooting for them. The C’s can regain the home court advantage by beating the Cavs head to head. They don’t need the Lakers to do it for them.
Agreed. Cavs > Lakers
The Lakers haven’t been that impressive for awhile. In their last 10 games, they won half of them in the last 30 seconds of the game. They’ve been very clutch, but very far from convincing – or as convincing as the Cavs, which are far ahead of them defensively.
Isnt this something KG has been criticized his whole career about?
He wants nothing to do with the ball in that type of situation and hes a future hall of famer….Thankfully we have Pierce
by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 15, 2009 5:21 PM EST reply actions
His performance in Game 7 against the Kings in the second round of 2004
may have helped abate at least some of those perceptions. The 32-20 game occasionally does that (including 14 points in the fourth, when he effectively played all five positions for the Wolves).
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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Jan 16, 2009 2:29 AM EST up reply actions
Saw that
Just caught the end of that game. Some players have the shooter’s mentality. Some don’t. Mason hit another game winner not too long ago, so the team and his coach trusts him. Can’t say the same for Landry.
Lakers
Are going to hit a skid quite soon. Fisher can’t log 40 mins a night anymore, and Kobe is going to be burnt out before the playoffs if he keeps this up. Kobe played 2 back to back 41+ minute games. Btw where did Kobe get the big black eye from? I haven’t heard about it and I saw it during the Rockets game.
You're hoping the Lkaers hit a skid.
In the two “tough” parts of their schedule that they’ve had so far (in mid November and so far this month) they’ve been quite successful. They have two tough games coming up, then it gets easy until early Feb road trip, then eases up, before another tough run of games in March, but they should have a healthy squad (minus Farmar) heading into to those games. Meaning Fish’s minutes will go back down.
When have you seen Kobe get burnt out before the playoffs?

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