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The Case For Rondo As An All Star

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Rondo was looking like an All Star shoo-in back in December.  The Celtics were making beautiful music and Rondo was conducting the symphony.  Then Christmas happened and the slide threw everything out of whack.  Rajon didn't play particularly well and he got a lot of blame for the team's woes.  Most people wrote him off from the All Star discussion at that point.

However, the team has turned it around lately and so has Rondo.  Coincidence?  Not at all.  The only question is, did the team suffer because of Rondo's play or did Rondo's play suffer because of the team's struggles?  I honestly don't know the answer and it is probably a "chicken or the egg" conundrum anyway.

I could (and will) make the argument that if the Celtics picked up a few extra wins during that slide or at least spaced out the 9 losses over a longer stretch of time, that nobody would have jumped on Rondo.  His mini-slump would have been written off or overlooked.  To support my case, lets start by looking at the numbers.

Stats

Clearly Rondo isn't a scoring point guard, though he does get his share of buckets.  He's at best the 4th option on this team and his role is to distribute the ball.  Still, he manages to chip in with 10.9 points per game on 50% shooting.

Rondo is 3rd in the Eastern Conference in assists at 7.9 a game, behind only Calderon and Duhon.  He is second in all of the East to D. Wade in steals (2.16) and is the top rebounding point guard (5.0).

And those are just the traditional stats, and I would say he looks pretty good with those alone.  [Using infomercial voice]... but wait, there's more!

Star-divide

I'm no stats junkie, but the folks from Wages of Wins are.  Here is what they had to say about Rondo's contributions back in December (before the slide).

So how has Boston remained a dominant team? The answer is almost entirely Rajon Rondo.  While KG and Pierce are on pace to produce 8.1 fewer wins this year, Rondo is on pace to provide 8.2 additional victories.  Consequently, Rondo is now the most productive player on the Celtics.  Yes, Rondo is offering more than KG, Pierce, or Ray Allen. 

Clearly those numbers must have dipped since then, but it is worth noting that when the team was 27-2, Rondo was a huge, huge part of that.  You can't ignore the first two months just because of a couple weeks of less-than-stellar play.

If you are keeping track, he ranks 30th in the league in Roland Rating (6.4) and 3rd on the Celtics (ahead of Pierce).  Only Jameer Nelson ranks ahead of him out of the Eastern point guards. 

Unfortunately, his PER numbers don't help my case much.  He's a respectable 18.67 (good for 45th in the league) but that ranks him behind Harris, Nelson, and even Calderon.

Of course these numbers don't take defense into account (did I mention that Rondo leads all point guards in steals?).  So stats only take you so far.

Forget the Stats

It is easy to overlook Rondo on the same floor as three potential Hall of Famers.  However, I would argue that keeping each of those guys involved in the offense, getting them the ball in the right spots, and taking a leadership role on the court despite those ginormous personalities might be a bigger challenge than most point guards face.

Yet he orchestrates the offense with veteran poise and superb court vision.  Kevin Arnovitz  of TrueHoop breaks down one example of how well he knows where his shooters are:

Rondo's primary function is to distribute. By and large, Rondo's primary spot-up target, Ray Allen, will have only split-second windows when he's legitimately open. To be in a position to capitalize on these snapshot opportunities, Rondo must have a strong intuition of where Allen is on the court at every moment. Rondo demonstrates this at 5:45 in the second quarter when he knocks the ball away from Nick Young, then stumbles into transition without full control of the ball. Once he picks up possession, Rondo gathers himself, then begins his drive toward the hole. The Washington defense isn't set. As he reaches the paint, Rondo sees in his periphery Ray Allen spotting up alone beyond the arc on the weak side. Rondo threads the needle through two Washington defenders with a perfect bounce pass. Allen misses the shot, but if the Celtics replicate that sequence 10 times, they come away with 21 points.

He does this time and time again.  He finds teammates with sharp passes delivered right where they need them to score the basketball with the greatest efficiency.

Is There Room For Rondo?

Now that we've made the case that Rondo is very good, we need to start filling out an Eastern All Star roster. 

The starters were announced last night and they include KG, James, Wade, AI, and Howard.  No surprises there but AI takes a spot he might not deserve.  It is a 12 man roster.  Right off the bat I think you have to put Paul Pierce on there.  Devin Harris should get a nod too (note: Rondo outplayed Harris head to head, ...just sayin').  Granger and Bosh are 3 & 4 in the East in scoring and I think both deserve a shot.  Then it gets tricky.

Three spots left, who do they go to?  You could make a strong case that Ray Allen has been the most consistent Celtic.  Joe Johnson is right up there in scoring and leading the up and coming Hawks.  Jameer Nelson has had a solid season and just won Player of the Week for the 2nd time.  While we're at it, we should throw into the discussion Vince Carter (much as I hate it), Hedo Turkoglu, and even Caron Butler.  For defense, you could even consider Josh Smith and Teyshaun Prince.  I'm sure I'm forgetting someone too.

So there's a roster squeeze that Rondo is up against.  What won't help his case is the number of Celtics on the team.  If Ray makes it, that's 3 on the team already.  Of course if KG sits it out like he did last year, it creates an extra spot.  So we'll see.  There have been All Star teams with 4 guys from the same roster before (Detroit comes to mind from a few years ago).  When the Celtics were 27-2, you could make a much stronger case for it.

Maybe Next Year

When the music stops, I don't think there will be a chair for Rondo.  I think that slide hurt his chances too much.  Rajon will get kind words and good support from his coaches and teammates and even around the league.  He'll be discussed as a guy people would really like to have on the team, but ultimately I think he'll be left on the cutting room floor.

It is too bad too.  If there's one thing that you want at an All Star game it is a point guard that thinks pass first.  Can you imagine the fun we'd have watching Rondo lob alley-oops to KG, LeBron, Wade, and Howard?  Who better to lead the fast break?  And we'd see Rondo pull out his bag of tricks.  If he uses that fake-behind-the-back cuff and scoop shot during meaningful games, what kind of fun would he have in a glorified pickup game?

It would be nice to see him recognized and playing in the game, but ultimatly I'm sure he'd rather have another ring.  So it isn't as important that he starts the season right as how he finishes.  So if he stays home for the weekend, he'll get some rest and a chance to keep working on that jumpshot.  That can't be a bad thing.

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Not enough

Rondo still lacks the consistency of the true good players in the league.

by cordobes on Jan 23, 2009 8:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good effort though

From both Rondo and you. You built a good case.

by cordobes on Jan 23, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love rondo but I don’t think he’s an all star yet. His play during the losing streak was not that of an all star. Maybe next year. Jameer Nelson and Harris should be ahead of him

by Red2 on Jan 23, 2009 8:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

was KG’s play during the the slump all-star worthy? um no, neither has his play most of the season…that being said, for all the people saying “this team goes as rondo goes” (a team with 3 furute hof’s) that means hes an all star, no questions about it, he outplayed devin harris 2 games in a row

by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 23, 2009 9:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But the case is him making the All-Star TEAM or not

Judging subjectively whether one thinks a player IS an All-Star, is done in a vacuum, considering what skills the observer thinks said player has or not. But this is not how the selection to the All-Star TEAM is done. One has to consider all the eligible candidates, and then judge if Rondo, or whomever, has played better than those who he is up against. I am sure each 10-12 players on the All-Star TEAMS, all have qualities/weaknesses that could be dissected as to where they fall short, but it is not a contest against the #s, or what one thinks of a players’ game, but rather a contest against finite other players.

Answering the question, is Rondo an All-NBA performer right now, I would say no, he is not at that elite level. Considering whether he should make the All-Star East squad, THIS YEAR, compared to who else is eligible, I say he should be an All-Star (regardless if I think he IS an All-Star player or not). Remember, the selection has to do with the season a player is having so far, not what one thinks of a players’ overall game or not. For those who say in a vacuum " he’s just not there yet" in considering whether he should make the East team or not, they are basing this on their impression of his overall game, rather than who should beat him out or who he should beat out. Have you seen Rondo play against Harris and Nelson? Come on, Harris puts up points, mainly because Frank tells him to look to score any time he can. Rondo does everything else better on the team with the best record.

by KJ33 on Jan 23, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and Mo Williams… Homerism or not.

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com

by scottsargent on Jan 23, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There’s no chicken-and-egg. As goes Rondo, goes the Celtics. We saw it in last year’s playoffs, we saw it during the recent struggles. When he’s on and aggressive and playing with confidence, there’s no team in the league that we can’t beat. When he’s passive and not playing with authority, we’re mediocre.

The consistency just isn’t there yet. He still tends to struggle on the road more often than you would like, but I’m confident that he’ll improve.

Next year…

by theBird on Jan 23, 2009 8:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

One more argument for Rondo...

…is that he would simply be more fun to watch in an All Star game than his competition. Devin Harris has nice stats, but they’re based on him constantly driving and getting fouled: yawn. Jameer Nelson is a jump shooter: like there won’t be enough of those already on the roster. But Rondo, between his pass-first mentality, his steals, his ball-fakes, and the absurd English he puts on his layups, would be a lot of fun to watch when surrounded by other elite players in the relaxed attitude of the All Star game.

by MattD on Jan 23, 2009 9:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

totally agree

Putting aside who deserves to be an allstar question Rondo pick seems like
the perfect PG for the starting position. With Wade Lebron KG and Dwight on the team
AI isn’t the man for the job (I’m sure Rip can tell us how much harder life is with
AI at the point). Looking to pass first finding people in great spots
making flashy passes for even flashier plays in your face alley oops all night.
That’d definitely get me to watch the game.

by twinbree on Jan 23, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Something else I find funny is how guys like Gary Payton say hes not an all-star because he plays with 3 other all stars..10 minutes later he says the big 3 dont deserve to be all stars….soo…pick a lane Gary you buffoon

by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 23, 2009 9:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

awwwwww

Did noone invite little old gawry to the celtics pawty?

=*(

Hurt feelings much?

by cordialb on Jan 23, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

both Chris"timeout" Webber and GP are so anti-celtic its hilarious, pretty sure they both have said “celtics arent very good” and were declaring the magic players deserve to be all stars before the celtics, etc etc

by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 23, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don`t think Rondo deserves to be an allstar this year. Just too inconsistent. At times he looks like an allstar but when he struggles he looks barely like a rotation player. Maybe next season if he can improve his jumpshot.

by thebirdman on Jan 23, 2009 9:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

There isnt 1 player in the NBA who plays good all the time, noone on the celtics, noone in the league…sorry

by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 23, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Too Carried Away

I think we put too much into this All-Star thing.

by TrueGreen on Jan 23, 2009 10:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I just re-watched some of the TNT overtime on NBAtv…and cwebb and GP literally laughed and made fun of every celtic Kenny said should be an all-star
Please hurry up and come Back Charles! im gonna puke if I have to listen to these guys any longer

by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 23, 2009 10:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

its not over yet

still a few games before those selections are made, and this 7 game streak does have Rondo streaking too. Watching him outplay his competition the last few weeks— Calderon (nice shot & assist man, no D— also injured), Devin Harris (where was he in both Celts games?), and Nelson (finally showed up in the 4th last night— but considering he’s got money 3-pt shooters and Howard on his team, shouldn’t avg. more than 5.5 apg?)— it’s hard to make an argument for those guys over Rondo.

by datruthyall on Jan 23, 2009 11:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

he's a different type of player

the magic’s system is just not like that. nelson is a scoring PG, he has to shoot and score. jut like rondo has to distribute. you could make a case he ‘should’ score more, but there is no need. nelson is just like that, only in a different category

Once upon a time the Suns got out on the break... and along came Steve sucKerr

by Murcy on Jan 23, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Consistency, consistency, consistency....

Rondo needs to bring his full talent to the game every night. Last night was a classic example. He scored, but most of his points seemed to be off jumpers. He didn’t attack the basic or drive and kick, which should be a huge part of his game.

The points are nice, but 2 assists tells me there wasn’t much playmaking going on.

Rondo should focus on assists, defending, points in the paint, steals and taking care of the ball. Once that becomes automatic, the All Star selection will come.

by LuckyNumber07 on Jan 23, 2009 11:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The offense ran through Pierce last night, and deservingly so, the Magic have 0 answer for him..rondo was our 2nd leading rebounder, so he brought it and contributed in other areas other then scoring and passing

by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 23, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He also held Nelson in check for the majority of the game. There weren’t a lot of assists in that game period; it was just a real slugfest by two very good defensive teams. Rondo played solid.

It’s real fashionable of late to tout Nelson, but a few weeks ago it was the same with Rondo and Harris had some time in the sun too. I’m sure Nelson will get the nod because he scores more, but my guess is by every advanced metric out there Rondo is rated the better defensive player. Defense just doesn’t matter in an all-star selection (which I find a little ironic given the preachiness of coaches about defense). KG might be the only guy on either team this year whose defensive merit helped him get on. (Maybe Howard too.)

Anyway, i hope Rondo does NOT make it. It will be just that much more motivation. You’re NOT GOOD ENOUGH, Rondo. You are OVERRATED! (Thank you, Tony Parker! I mean, that was just awesome, Vive La France!). I think Rondo will take it personally and turn it into a positive. I hope Pierce gets left off too. Now that would be funny (that being what would happen to the rest of the league).

by Berkcelt on Jan 23, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

So he can’t have a bad game? That seems bizarre. Even Paul Pierce, the finals MVP, has bad games. I’ve seen plenty of them. I’ve seen plenty of slumps in my days of watching him also. It’s perfectly normal. Rondo isn’t an all star because of the big 3. It has nothing to do with what he’s done. He had almost no chance from the start of the season to make the team. With 3 shoe in all stars already on his squad, the snub was lined up from the get go. Next year he’ll get it. But enough talk about “Rondo” being consistent. In 45 games, he’s played really really well in 80% of them. You know what the call that? Consistency…

SCOTT

by Vegas Scott on Jan 23, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tired of debating Rondo

Anyone who is still asleep on this guy, well I just don’t know what to say anymore. I’m just tired of debating something so obvious.

SCOTT

by Vegas Scott on Jan 23, 2009 11:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Rondo deserves it but I hope he doesn't go so he can rest

Those final three spots should be: Joe Johnson, Rondo and Hedo.

Folks can talk about his lack of consistency but its not like he goes from a marginal all star in some games to having poor games. He goes from looking like Nate Archibald, Bob Cousy, with the d of Walt Frazier, and rebounding ability of the Big O to having below average games 12 times this year if you go through his stats. Look at Nelson. There are 12 below average games there too, and he hasn’t played like God over 20 times like Rondo has.

Have you seen what Rondo did against some of the “better” points!!?Holy Toledo!

I hope he doesn’t go. I am going to be happy if he doesn’t and upset if he does. He is going to remember being gypped. And our team needs rest. I still say you will all see LA and Cle hit a wall, because they had key players play all summer while our guys were having fun.

by wahz on Jan 23, 2009 11:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

As far as Payton, you have to admit that its really ironic that he is blabbing about Rondo when of all point guards you can think of who played in the last 3 years, GP would be THE guy who would most look like he was dragging a tug boat behind him while trying to guard Rondo

by wahz on Jan 23, 2009 11:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not yet

There are only a few guys on this board that are bigger Rondo shills than I am but even I don’t think he should be an All-Star this year. He had a really bad 4-5 game stretch early in the season and his 9 games from Christmas on left a lot to be decided with a couple of horrific games in which he had like 8 or 9 turnovers in. His consistency and his inability to bring “it” on the road like he has"it" at home disqualify him in my book.

Besides, you can’t do anything about the fact that Iverson is in when he doesn’t deserve it and that given that the starters, Pierce, Granger, Harris and Bosh are probably automatics this year that leaves 3 spots. Michael Redd, Vince Carter, Jameer Nelson, Andre Iguodala, David Lee, Josh Smith are more deserving and a couple of PGs like Bibby and Williams might garner more consideration.

I think Rondo’s year will be next year when his shooting stroke improves, when he has a second ring, when he starts to get more responsibility in the scoring on offense and when he is putting up numbers like

14PPG, 9 APG, 5 RPG, 3 SPG, 2.5 TOPG, =50% FG, +73 FT%, and plays more consistent, stay in front of your opponent defense and doesn’t gamble as much for the poke away..

by nickagneta on Jan 23, 2009 12:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oooops,

Left out Joe Johnson as an automatic

by nickagneta on Jan 23, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the “consistensy” card is overrated…he isnt going to be perfect everynight, and noone on the celtics has been consistent in every single game, they’ve all had a handful of stinkers.
  If you subscribe to the thought “the celtics go as rondo goes” then he’s an all-star right now in my book

by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 23, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

he’s been consistent in all of the wins… hmmm….

by datruthyall on Jan 24, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rondo is the perfect example of a player that doesn’t fit comfortably into stats. have some of these stat nerds even stepped foot on the court?

he shoots over 50%, but his jump shot is still a work in progress. basketball is such a fluid game, and he’s the ultra lubricant. he gets the ball moving, breaks down the D by getting in the lane (giving him 2 wing options) and just GETS AFTER THE BALL, best point rebounder in the game. not to mention his pesky help D, steals, hustle points and tips. example – last night gets his own rebound and ties up Howard (i think), then the Cs stole the tip.

unfortunately, the AS game usually is about these things, but he does have some FLAVA in his game with those big paws, glass/pass spins, and hops. I hope for his sake and confidence he makes it. if not this year, soon to come.

GO RONDO!

PS – Great post Jeff!!!!!

by BirdNerd on Jan 23, 2009 1:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hedo doesn't deserve to even be in the All-Star discussion.

He’s playing decent year, but that’s about it.

Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website

by erivera7 on Jan 23, 2009 2:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'll add that the only players from the Magic that are worth considering are Jameer & Rashard.

It’ll be interesting to see which guards make it .. it’s almost coming down to a ‘what have you done for me lately’ type of deal in determining some of the reserves.

Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website

by erivera7 on Jan 23, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Very well put together

You make a good argument for his inclusion. The travesty is the level of education amongst the fanbase that votes Allen Iverson in as a starter.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jan 23, 2009 3:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You're right

There are LOTS of deserving guys, but not enough room on the bench for guys like Rondo. I am very curious how the East is going to fill out. Too many good players in the East just like there are too many good teams.
I actually hope most of the Celtics just sit out from the festivities, and rest. Practice. Rest.

My rambles: http://nbawithoutcable.wordpress.com

by jontookem on Jan 23, 2009 8:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

very good post, jeff. i appreciate your effort. rondo is an all star and is the little engine that could. would any of us prefer to have harris or nelson or ai or calderone or bibby or miller? all good pg’s but we have all seen rondo consistently outplay each one. so if he isn’t picked, he will be everybody’s underrated star and he will have something to motivate him. me- i know what he is and thank my lucky stars that i get to watch him.

by nazzbo on Jan 24, 2009 5:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Rondo, work on your free throws...

I think when Rondo becomes an 80% free throw shooter he becomes an All-Star. You can’t go to the All-Star game shooting 60% from line unless you’re Shaq or Dwight Howard.

Better FTs will help his overall game too. He can get in the paint and draw contact at will, but doesn’t do it because he likely to miss once he gets to the line. He should be getting an extra 5 points at the line per game.

by mattyweb on Jan 24, 2009 11:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not an all star

Dam good defensive PG but no where near the Caliber in my opinion of what we need for the future and I think a lot of people see that as well. Agree with the needed increase in FT percentage and in general if Davis can hit a 15fter why cant Rondo do it on a more consistent basis.

by richardlight on Jan 25, 2009 3:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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