When The Win Streaks Grow, The Volume Of Talking In Here Drops

by Wide Load on Jan 31, 2009 8:59 AM EST Comment 29 comments

A sad statement about all sport fans I think. As our beloved teams do well, we have less to talk about among our fellow fans of the team.

We have so much more to say when there is an issue with the team. Problems we can analyze and discuss ways the team can fix them. We discuss what we would do different or who should be the one doing it. When the Celtics were lotto teams, there were so many different discussion going on, you could not follow them all. But the long time CBers know, this great blog is much more quiet now.

Every hard core fan of every team does it. As the team does better, there is less chatter between fans of that team (though more chatter grows between the these fans and fans of other teams, something we don't have a lot of on here). It is the sport fans' nature. Just listen to sports talk radio. Problems and issues seem to be the rating draws.

Of course, there are only so many "such and such is great" talks you can have. The discussion doesn't last long if everyone is agreeing with you. How many different ways can you say "Pierce's play is good" or "Rondo is stepping up" ? Fans can trash talk players on other teams, but what good is that if fans from those teams are not going to respond.

Now the only exception to this seems to be a sport like football. Of course that sport has so much time between games and there is a lot of things that can be broken down. Therefor, you can probably say that the longer between games for a sport, the less this happens.

The effect of this has also created a large non-Celtics discussion block. Face it, we like to talk on this site and we have come to enjoy each other responses. Most posters now can find another topic on this site besides the Celtics that they are interested in.

Now let me make this clear now, I am not writing this because I want the Celtics to be bad so we have something to talk about. This is just some observations I am making.

But let me add this, I would like to see more talk on here. That's why I am grateful we have many posters who have ideas and thoughts on the Celtics that are very different then the majority. I think we are to hard on them to often and do not appreciate that they give us jumping off points for discussion we wouldn't normally have. I am also glad there are a few posters that are fans of other teams that do contribute. I wish there was more because as long as the are as respectful as we are, they add to the discussion.

So, if there are any Piston fans out there that might read this, Celtics are going to beat you tonight. Feel free to come here and try to argue they won't.

Be respectful and keep it clean. Thanks.

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No Argument Here

Of course I am not a Pistons fan either. I think this is a team the Celtics better take seriously though. The Pistons can put together a nice game if they so desire. I dont expect one because I think the ‘great one’ AI is just too selfish and Sheed just doesnt have the horses as a starter. That only leaves Rip and he is not going to carry them without help.

This team needs some major pieces before they can be considered a real threat in the East going forward. There is just too big a gap between their top 3-4 and bench in terms of production. The loss of Billups sealed their fate IMO.

I will be surprised if the Pistons make the playoffs and then no higher than a 7th seed.

"First fix their hearts"-Eizo Shimabuku

by billysan on Jan 30, 2009 4:02 PM EST reply actions

its because we are all such positive people by nature

I am no huge Doc fan, but to his credit (and PP’s especially among the players) he gets on the problems even during the wining

by chicagogreen on Jan 30, 2009 5:19 PM EST reply actions

I agree!!

Didn’t it seem like there were a million more posts and members on the old site when we were losing?

It is like theoretically, you would rather talk about trading for KG, than actually getting him…

by rickyfan3.0... on Jan 30, 2009 6:16 PM EST reply actions

Very true

by Ruben Wolkowyski on Jan 31, 2009 9:17 AM EST reply actions

I've got stuff to talk about

I’m not a fan of having TA back in the rotation. He took all of Gabe’s minutes and the second unit last night looked as sharp as a hammer.Eddie seemed to be forced back to the 1 and TA the 2. Eddie is half as effective IMO at 1, Doc should have still used gabe at the 1 to put eddie at 2 so you have 3 all field shooters, and BBD along Powe taking near the basket. I’m throwing this out there since it worried me alot and I hope Doc doesn’t start to use this subbing method again…..

by Scalablob990 on Jan 31, 2009 10:00 AM EST reply actions

I'm pretty sure...

…TA was a defensive matchup, and he did a pretty good job chasing Rip around…not something that House would’ve been able to do well, given TA’s length and House’s size. And then if you want to play Pruitt at the point, you match his inexperience against AI, and you either lose House’s 3 pt shooting or give Rip six inches over his defender. So it’s not just a matter of what’s the best combination offensively, but a combination that will give you enough options on both ends of the floor.

by scurvmeister on Jan 31, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions

Eddie took Gabe's Minutes

It’s a question of Gabe v. Eddie at the point and it’s obvious to anyone who’s watched Doc coach before that he was going to go with the veteran. Too bad Eddie only gets open and makes shots when he’s playing the 2. And too bad he can’t do any point guard things. Detroit obviously accounted for him in their defensive plans and he’s an easy guard when teams do that. Personally, I’d be playing Gabe over Eddie at the point and platooning TA/Eddie depending on matchups and Eddie’s hotness. TA can slide to the 3 for stretches as well.

by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Jan 31, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions

I want gabe to play

I totally agree i dont really like TA back because i loved watching gabe play and get better.

by Anitax34 on Jan 31, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions

I actually realized that...

… but didn’t expect you would say this out actually lol

as the win streak hits 10 perhaps we shall discuss how the team can actually play better…cos i still think unless we add a proven big man in the middle the celtics wont win the championship this year…

TA is still a problem with his over confidence (as displayed in last night’s game)

looking forward to the Lakers game and see how the bench play against arguably the deepest bench in the league

by hiro on Jan 31, 2009 10:01 AM EST reply actions

Just waiting for 2/5

Once that game is over, we can get on with the season…hopefully happily…

by William_Ayers on Jan 31, 2009 10:08 AM EST reply actions

So, if there are any Piston fans out there that might read this, Celtics are going to beat you tonight.

by Wide Load on Jan 31, 2009 5:59 AM PST

Wh…why…you can see the past! Quick, tell me who wins last year’s election!

by thatmarvelousape on Jan 31, 2009 11:18 AM EST reply actions

It was writen yesterday afternoon, then moved to the front page this morning

That’s why the first three response are date yesterday, all before 6:00 PM. The time stamp is from when it was moved from the fanpost onto the front page.

by Wide Load on Jan 31, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions

Just teasing, I thought it was funny. Good writeup and you’re absolutely right. There’s a bunch of “agony aunts” that want to complain about anything and everything instead of appreciating the great gift these past two seasons have been. Reminds me of a quote from a movie, “Are you such a loser that you’ve forgotten how to win?”

by thatmarvelousape on Jan 31, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions

GABE GABE GABE?!?!

House didn’t get as many touches last night against Detroit. Why? Because he had to go back to playing PG so that TA can play off-guard. Hmmmmm… House in the last 2 games? 15 three-pointers. Last night? 1-3 behind the arc.
Gabe Pruitt needs to find his way BACK into the rotation, and let Eddi3 Hous3 get back to being a roamer + spot up shooter, instead of carrying the ball up and setting up the offense. House hit 15 three pointers in the last 2 games! And he was 15/20!! An astounding 75%!!!!!!

Tony Allen is an offensive liability. He is the kind player you see in middle or high school: when he touches the ball, he knows what he wants to do with it instead of seeing what is open and what he can do with the ball next. Instead of trying to create, he just does. It’s sort of like playing old school sport games on Nintendo (the 8-bit kind): you pick the play ahead of time, and hope that it works. Actual professional basketball players that are GOOD can change their game plans on the spot. TA lacks this ability. He hasn’t developed at all like the Celts thought he would. It is time to part ways. Get rid of him. Give Gabe more time at PG, and move Eddi3 back to SG for the second unit so he can drain-o all day-o.

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by jontookem on Jan 31, 2009 11:21 AM EST reply actions

You're right, Point Guard is the problem

Gabe should be playing….over Eddie House. And House should be playing the 2. Unfortunately, TA is a better 2, which is why Doc bites the bullet and benches the better point guard….Gabe.

As for TA being an offensive liability….not quite. He had 4 4th quarter points last night and if it wasn’t for a great Big Baby offensive rebound, House probably wouldn’t have hit anything last night. House is a streak shooter who thrives when the defense forgets about him…which happens alot against the lesser teams when they’re getting blown out. When he’s facing a good team that game plans against him….he’s not going to give you much.

by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Jan 31, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions

TA doesn't belong anywhere near the rotation

Gabe > Eddie as a point guard

Eddie > Tony as a shooting guard

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jan 31, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions

If All Shooting Guards Did Was Shoot 3s...

then perhaps Eddie > Tony.

But when you factor in defense it’s a different story. House is easily guardable. You just have to stay with him. He’s a great wide open shooter. But against good teams that play him for the spot-up three, he’s not going to give us much. TA can be game planned for on the offensive end too, but he also brings great defense to the table, which is a constant. That’s why he’ll always be in the rotation over Eddie or Gabe. Doc’s challenge is to mix and match Pruitt, House and TA in a way that maximizes what each brings to the table. House obviously needs to play off the ball to be a successful scorer, Pruitt is obviously the best point guard, and TA is obviously the only pure 2 of the bunch.

by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Jan 31, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions

The problem is...

… that TA has not been constant on the defensive end this year. He’s been very spotty defensively, and has been a turnover waiting to happen on offense.

As for Tony being a “pure 2”… aren’t *shoot*ing guards supposed to be able to shoot?

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jan 31, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions

Roy

This is about as pumped as I’ve seen Roy ever since I’ve been on this blog. I can feel your anger Roy!!!! :-)

Oh, and I agree too. Tony’s garbage, and I don’t even have the patience any more to explain why I think that. That’s how fed up I am with him.

by Toine43 on Jan 31, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions

Not true

I wouldn’t even argue that House is easily guardable. If you just “stay with him”, then we’ll put him 25 feet from the hoop and you are playing 4 v. 4 defense, which is certainly more difficult than 5 v. 5. But staying with him is not that easy either when he’s sprinting around screens. His quick release is difficult to contest also.

Also, I agree with Roy that shooting guards should be able to shoot, unless the rest of the team has a very unique makeup.

by action781 on Feb 1, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions

We missed Gabe and Scal last night. But we got the win, and in an old fashined way. I loved the game

by greenwise on Jan 31, 2009 11:40 AM EST reply actions

It’s par for the course for a message board.

You should get more chatter now that Perk ’ destroyed ’ Maxiell. Extrapolations galore. No mention of the game though or how good the C’s are playing. Just like how even if bench is playing well, it’s who don’t we have that is more important. Or for Doc it’s not the 105-25 record and 1 Championship it’s his rotations and his X’s and O’s.

'We circle all the games' - KG

by Birdbrain on Jan 31, 2009 11:57 AM EST reply actions

Not always...

I am more inclined to check the site when they are winning then on a losing streak. It can be hard enough to watch your favorite team lose then have to relive it again in print or on a blog. Other then the continued hope to add a couple of complementary pieces to the bench there isn’t a lot to complain about with this team.

by Hondo on Jan 31, 2009 12:10 PM EST reply actions

I love y’all but here’s why I don’t roam the boards anymore. All the talking and speculation’s kinda useless til after the deadline, and 10 games after that no matter what happens, I find it kinda useless until the playoffs start. To me, the fun was all about trying to figure things out, now it’s as simple as “I hope we don’t play the Hawks, hopefully Mo Williams isn’t enough to put them over the hump against us, we’ll still roll the Lakers in a 7 games series, I hope we can get a guard and big for the playoffs”. Don’t take that as slagging anyone cause this is the place for sports’ primo fans, it’s just how I feel. Always, good times on CBlog.

by davemonsterband on Jan 31, 2009 1:01 PM EST reply actions

Earth to Wide Load

Hey buddy, you’re absolutely right. But that’s just our nature. Human nature.

Look at most of the chats we have in our day-to-day life :) They’re all about complaints :D It’s what we do ;)

- Dirk

by Kiorrik on Jan 31, 2009 6:58 PM EST reply actions

Shhhh!

It is very quiet now. We are all waiting for someone to post something new and meaty.

by Wide Load on Jan 31, 2009 7:41 PM EST reply actions

I like the peace ... sometimes

Well, it’s nice to see the board go quiet sometimes just because it means things are going well with the team. It’s pretty hard to nitpick the team when they’re on a roll. Besides, other hardcore fans will find it easy to kill you if you’re still looking for some flaws with the team especially during this run. Gotta enjoy the ride. Can’t wait for 2/05. I’m sure it would be a busy day for this blog, regardless of the outcome.

by Celtic_E on Feb 1, 2009 5:33 AM EST reply actions