"I tried to foul him by hitting his arms, but he stuck his neck down," Perkins said. "It was not...

"I tried to foul him by hitting his arms, but he stuck his neck down," Perkins said. "It was not like I wanted to hit him that hard. I never try to hurt anybody. I wanted to give him a hard foul and I closed my eyes, so I don't know how I hit him. He pushed me in the back. I'll face the consequences but I wasn't trying to hurt anyone."

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I believe you Perk, I support you perk

Heres to you not getting suspended big fella

by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 31, 2009 9:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Good for you and the team!

Perk you hard foul shows a toughness the C’s have lacked for quite sometime now, you foul will be good for you and the team next time these two teams meet. They will no there’s no funny business with the little folk without payback!

Scott_T_CT

by Scott_T_CT on Jan 31, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I love Perk!

Perk is our enforcer and he was just enforcing. If Perk gets a suspension for this foul and Bynum doesn’t get a suspension for his flagrant 2 foul that put a guy in the hospital, this league is a joke. Perk was ejected (which Bynum wasn’t) and that should be the end of it.

Perk and Powe... the Next Big Thing

by FLCeltsFan on Jan 31, 2009 9:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I agree. It would be an absolute joke.

by Berkcelt on Jan 31, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

So every team gets to label one of their players as an “enforcer” who can do what ever he so chooses? Good to know.

Maxiel outweighs Gerald Wallace by 40 lbs. And wasn’t hit in the chest. I’m not sure the league will judge this on a comparison basis.

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com

by scottsargent on Jan 31, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Jugding by the number of technicals received, warranted or not, Perkins can hardly “do what he wants”. Of course, the Celtics are apparently the thugs of the league, so I won’t be surprised with any decision decided “to cut down their antics”. Blah.

by kozlodoev on Jan 31, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

huh? Perk got ejected dude, whos saying he can get away with what he wants? certainly noone… Bynum put a dude in the hospital with an equally dirty play and didnt get ejected or suspended and the highlights were nowhere to be found on the media outlets…my feeling is perk will indeed get suspended because all the media outlets are showing replay after replay of it and saying “yeah he’ll probably get suspended” so the league will probably feel like they have too…maxiell deserves it too, he punched rondo, initated a brawl while the play was stopped

by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 31, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Brawl?

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com

by scottsargent on Jan 31, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Pushing someone, punching someone and then staring down with your chest pushed out saying whatever he was saying, having to be held back, yes…how is that not iniating a brawl? isnt this how the “Malice at the palace” started years ago?

by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 31, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He pushed Perkins in retaliation, and then pulled his arm away from Garnett who came from the right side. There was NEVER a punch thrown by anyone in that entire game.

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com

by scottsargent on Jan 31, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He punched rondo, get over yourself buddy.

by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 31, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Also, perk gets ejected, and here you are saying he can get away with anything? um, if he broke someones rib and collapsed there lung, hed be out for a year, bynum doesnt get ejected or suspended, who gets away with anything again?
KG got suspended earlier in the year for pulling his arm away and barely touching Andrew Bogut…Maxiell punched rondo, period, I dont know what view you had, he clearly threw a punch and hit rondo in the shoulder…also you cant just get up and push someone out of retaliiton. again, isnt that how the malice at the palace started?

by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 31, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ha. You win, boss. They always say you can’t argue with the simpleminded. Good luck.

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com

by scottsargent on Jan 31, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Personal attacks always a great way to show intelligence.

by NoraG1 on Jan 31, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

like telling one to “get over themselves?” All I was pointing out was that there was no punch, no brawl and that you can’t compare this to the Bynum incident.

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com

by scottsargent on Jan 31, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

why can’t you compare it to the Bynum flagrant foul? They are both flagrant fouls, no? Neither play was a “clean” play. The NBA obviously thought Bynum’s foul was serious enough to warrant a league review. I don’t see how the league can have any credibility if it’s just going to decide these things on a whim for each individual case. There should be some kind of standard and consistency.

by Berkcelt on Jan 31, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The league has always reviewed these on a case by case basis. Not saying one’s right over the other, but I sincerely doubt they say “well, bynum/wallace was handled this way, so we’ll do the same here…”

For your guys’ sake, I hope that they do not suspend him. Just don’t be shocked if they do.

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com

by scottsargent on Jan 31, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, that’s fine, I wouldn’t dispute that, but I’m just saying there’s got to be some standard for suspending a player aside from David Stern’s mood at the time. I don’t know maybe I’m wrong to assume so, maybe they just use personal bias and heartburn discomfort to figure these things out, but I hope not.

And I still think we can intellectually compare it to Bynum’s foul without the league office needing to. Perhaps an analogy would help, such as: if one person buys a bag of candy with an assortment of coins and bills, and then another person comes into the store and buys the same bag with a different assortment of coins and bills an hour later, person 1 and 2 don’t really have anything to do with each other except that they should both get a bag of candy. You don’t have to recount person 1’s money to figure out that person 2 paid the price for his candy.

So we can debate the NBA’s “counting” skills, and I just don’t see a factor in this situation that says one of these situations adds up to more than the other…unless Perk has some mfg’er’s coupons that the NBA is accepting (and I am not).

by Berkcelt on Jan 31, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Nor would I be surprised if they gave Maxiel a game for the shove…

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com

by scottsargent on Jan 31, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

look

do i think perk should be suspended?entirely no. i hate that the league has gone from players policing themselves to the ref’s being overly involved and the league office doing whatever they please. let the players sort things out.
that said, calling that a brawl is a little extreme. it was nothing. a little shoving. blah blah. my point is perk shouldn’t be suspended and nor should maxiell. hell shoudl have been offsetting techs. leave it at that. the “incident” last night was nothing. a hard foul and a push back. shouldn’t be any league involvment in that. nothing got out of hand and the game went on.

by ChainSmokingLikeDino on Jan 31, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Obviously you’re misunderstanding what Im saying here…IT WAS NOT A BRAWL…but because of Maxiells retalition, pushing and punching it couldve easlit turned into one

by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 31, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i did understand. “maxiell deserves it too, he punched rondo, initated a brawl while the play was stopped” i know you know there wasn’t a brawl last night and are overstating things for rhetorical purposes, but come on. what i’m saying is you have to have it both ways. and i want it to be both ways. let the players have some leeway to work it out on their own. there was no inkling of there being a brawl last night and you know it. and by that logic the perkins foul would really be the first bit of incitement, no?

personally i’m all for not kicking perk out, not suspending him. not kicking out maxiell. give them both tech’s. let the players handle their business, not the league.

by ChainSmokingLikeDino on Jan 31, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I doubt any sane-minded person is saying any particular player can do what he wants without penalty. I think the flagrant 2 and ejection was an apt and fair penalty. I’m just saying if you’re going to allow Bynum to nail a guy flying in the air (ie defenseless position) that hard and not suspend him, than how you can justify suspending Perkins? That equals an absolute joke to me.

by Berkcelt on Jan 31, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think we should follow in the spirit of the new word of the day….“stimulus”.

Every player who was uninvolved in the incident and followed the rules should have their money confiscated to pay Perk’s and Bynum’s fine….and thus facilitate a bailout for them.

To make the analogy completely appropriate, Mark Cuban should administer the redistribution.

by Finkelskyhook on Jan 31, 2009 11:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

The Celtics Did Have A Redistribution Package

When Danny started bringing in the young players and if they were fined, the vets used to chip in to pay the fines for the guys who weren’t earning the big $’s. Perk was the beneficiary of some of this stimulus.

by TrueGreen on Jan 31, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Goon, much?

Jason Maxiell is a goon. I’d gladly take one game without Perk in exchange for a day’s worth of highlights watching ‘the thug’ get his clock cleaned. What a hypocrite punk he is. Too bad it didn’t resonate more loudly. That fat bastard could’ve ruined Rondo’s career, yet he gets tough when somebody brings it HIS way.

Way to go Perk.

by scottboy79 on Jan 31, 2009 11:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Agree

And Im ashamed of all the celtics fans who have sympathy for “the thug” or even saying they like thugziell as a player…ugh, gross

by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 31, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Perk deserved a flagrant 2 and the ejection that came with it.

It should stop there, no need for further action from the league.

Maxiell may be worthy of a one or two game suspension for his reaction, but I’d rather they leave that alone too.

by Who on Jan 31, 2009 1:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

For what it's worth, I changed my mind

Last night watching the game I thought Perk’s slam was uncalled for and he deserved the ejection. I thought it might merit suspension. Then I thought about Perk’s game last night, and about all the chippy crap that had been going on before he pushed Maxiell to the floor.

And I watched the foul on ESPN a couple more times. I am OK with a flagrant, but I think it was simply a hard, determined foul after a bunch of rough play. Perk was continuing a manner of play that was being allowed by the refs. Heck, Maxiell had just launched House out of the way to get the rebound in the first place!

Maxiell should have allowed the refs to continue governing the game. They whistled Perk for the foul. Maxiell’s transgression was not a continuation of the style of play, it was retaliation during a dead ball. I believe that this is actually the more serious transgression.

I’m sorry for Perk because he was frustrated during the game (I get frustrated just watching the Pistons), and trying very hard not to lash out. One ref even patted Perk on the arm for biting back a response to being called for stepping out of bounds.

So yeah, a flagrant I can certainly live with, but on the whole I think this was blown way out of proportion by TV folks looking for something to talk about.

by Thruthelookingglass on Jan 31, 2009 3:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

As far as punching is concerned, I suggest looking at 1:20 in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TztA_DLyqUQ

The same way people say “Just because Perkins didn’t hurt Maxiell, that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be suspended”, one can argue that “Just because Maxiell didn’t knock Rondo out doesn’t mean that he didn’t punch him”.

Of course, this will all be ignored just the way league darling Dwight Howard was allowed to get away with a swing at Rondo simply because he didn’t connect. (I’d love it if someone can locate a video of this, since I failed to locate it).

by kozlodoev on Jan 31, 2009 5:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

if...

…were playing the video review game that could just as easiily be interpreted as the extension of maxiell freeing his arm from kg’s grasp. i just feel all that went on was so minor and no one deserves a suspension. there has to be a little elasticity in the game. every hard foul is not a suspension. every shove is not a suspension. the problem with these things is that the league has gone so far in their policing that there is no room left for players to have a natural response, to a shove, a push, a hard foul, etc. the league should look at what occured in this game as fairly natural. no one came in off the bench, no one really did throw a punch, no one continued the skirmish. a little pushing and jawing is fine and should be allowed. so thinks this celtics fan. heck, that was the m.o. of the great 80’s c’s teams.

by ChainSmokingLikeDino on Jan 31, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Perk's Flagrant

My take on the play is that it never would have happened if the refs called the original foul on Maxiell when he shoved Eddie House out of bounds. The play would have been over, period. Perk would then not have the chance or need to make the play he did. It’s the darned refs, not doing their job that caused this whole thing.

by TrueGreen on Jan 31, 2009 9:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs