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Bruised and Knicked

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Dreary loss thoughts:

  • Pierce was the only starter with a pulse for most of the night.
  • The offense looked out of sync all night.
  • Somehow the Knicks convinced Rondo to shoot jumpers; not good for us.
  • Wilson Chandler had a career night against us.
  • What happened to our vaunted defense?
  • The Knicks play that frantic style with young energy guys that gives the Celtics fits (see Warriors, Hawks, etc.).  This is a bad trend.
  • Scal played a lot of crunch time minutes.  Seemed odd, but it wasn't like anyone else was stepping up to earn minutes.  Then again, Powe was solid in limited time.
  • KG looked like he tweaked his right leg.  I'm not sure if it effected his play the rest of the night.  Hopefully it isn't anything bad.  He has been complaining about his leg hurting lately.
  • I don't care about any excuses tonight.  You shouldn't lose to the Knicks.  You shouldn't drop 4 out of the last 6 games.  Bad effort tonight.
  • Silver lining: The Cavs and Magic both lost today too.

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Boston
 Starters Min FG 3Pt FT +/- Off Reb Ast TO Stl BS BA PF Pts 
  R. Allen G 37:23 7-18 0-9 2-2 -20 1 4 2 1 2 1 0 3 16 
  R. Rondo G 25:34 1-7 1-2 0-0 -25 1 4 3 2 1 0 1 2
  K. Perkins C 28:55 3-5 0-0 2-2 -14 2 3 2 1 0 1 0 3
  P. Pierce F 41:35 10-17 4-6 7-7 -14 1 7 4 3 1 0 1 2 31 
  K. Garnett F 28:58 1-6 0-0 4-4 -22 1 9 2 3 1 5 0 3
 Bench Min FG 3Pt FT +/- Off Reb Ast TO Stl BS BA PF Pts 
  E. House 23:17 2-6 1-4 0-0 +4 1 5 1 0 0 0 0 3
  T. Allen 15:25 2-9 0-2 0-0 +8 0 2 1 2 0 0 1 1
  B. Scalabrine 12:17 1-3 0-2 2-2 +6 0 3 1 0 0 1 0 2
  L. Powe 12:04 2-3 0-0 1-2 +7 3 6 0 0 1 0 0 2
  G. Davis 11:16 3-5 0-0 0-0 +6 2 2 1 1 0 0 0 0
  P. O'Bryant 1:36 0-0 0-0 0-0 +2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
  G. Pruitt 1:36 0-0 0-0 0-0 +2 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0
 Totals 32-79 6-25 18-19 12 45 17 13 7 8 3 21 88

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Just Horrible

No defense, no offense, no enthusiasm. They just took the night off.

- JoeB

by joeb on Jan 4, 2009 8:30 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did they get a stop the entire 2nd half?

by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 4, 2009 8:31 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can’t recall any

- JoeB

by joeb on Jan 4, 2009 8:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Defense was back in Boston

Scal played best defense. What’s going on?

by Wildblu1 on Jan 4, 2009 8:33 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

I was pretty impressed with him at that end though, which was nice.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Jan 4, 2009 8:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, Scal and Powe were fine off the bench, great effort.

Beyond that, the bench was a disaster. Tony was Tony: One bad decision after another, and he may be as bad an outside shooter as Rondo.

Nothing from Rondo or Perkins. Garnett’s clearly hurt. Allen was off.

Only Pierce tonight in a really, really discouraging team performance.

by CoachBo on Jan 4, 2009 8:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you know...

things are going bad when you think Scal played a better game than most C’s today

by reggie35 on Jan 4, 2009 8:39 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pierce did his best

and they say the stars come out in NY? i guess kg and ray forgot about that…good job pierce, you were the only celtic that made me proud tonight…and speaking of scal, how many times did pierce find him wide open for a knock down 3? those were poseys shots….

by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 4, 2009 8:41 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

indeed...

I did see Pierce’s ass hitting the floor frequently tonight. I only hope that MSG floor is structurally sound.

by Blizzard on Jan 4, 2009 9:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Scal

Only caught the end of the game but I was very impressed with Scal, he always seems to play very well in NYC. Look for the celtics to take it to Charlotte next game, I think they are gonna rebound and refocus, hopefully giving them some momentum going into the Houston game.

by swd515 on Jan 4, 2009 8:50 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

KG

When was his last “double single”? 6 points and 9 boards. Wow.

by nba is the worst on Jan 4, 2009 8:56 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its feeling hopeless

Doc back to his crazy rotations. Kg will never be physical enough to make up for small ball. house not having a decent run in awhile. Tony is playing as bad as ever. Rajon has no jumper still. we have no one to stretch the defense
our best news today? big Z is out for probably 6 weeks. I know that’s awful i am just telling you its a fact. we again blew a chance to gain a game on cle but cle is down a key man for awhile…we have, HAVE to have home court
And we don’t allow trolls here right???? just asking

As bad as it is nothing has changed: we need a big man. we need a shooter, preferrably a big guard or taller

by wahz on Jan 4, 2009 9:01 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope Danny moves fairly quickly

They caught a break with Z going down for 4-6 weeks, but if they do not get their house in order soon, they could fall behind in the race for home court.

by vinnie on Jan 4, 2009 9:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WOW

Hard for me to write this, but at the present time, this is not a very good team. Have lost four out of the last 6, two of those against pretty bad teams, including the two worst defensive teams in the NBA. Not time to overreact, but something has got to change.

by vinnie on Jan 4, 2009 9:01 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not a very good team?

Does a rough six-game stretch including a road trip out West wipe out the 29 games before it?

I’m embarrassed tonight, too, but this seems a bit of a stretch.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Jan 4, 2009 9:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They might have started out 27-2, but is it just me, or all along in that stretch did something seem off?

by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 4, 2009 9:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They found a different way to win each night

but then, why did they have to? You are right, they might have been off to a great start, but I never got the feeling they were finding new ways to win by choice. This team should be winning according to its own script.

I also had the feeling that Garnett’s verbal assaults on his opponents were not a sign that all was well, but that’s just me and I do not mean to open a can of worms.

by Thruthelookingglass on Jan 4, 2009 10:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed. This is a good team – with some rather glaring deficiencies that are going to need addressing before the playoffs.

As Wahz points out, we need a big and we need a shooter for the bench, so Doc’s got somewhere to go besides Tony and House for scoring.

by CoachBo on Jan 4, 2009 10:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Celtics looked old and slow. Terrible effort. Bech played well, though. It was the starters who sucked.

by Brickowski on Jan 4, 2009 9:07 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The bench played some good d, and some poor d. they picked it up a bit at the end. as usual, they were non-existent on offense. go hide in the corner and let pierce iso.

by ssspence on Jan 4, 2009 9:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If by the bench, you mean Scal

…then you are correct.

How about an official “Play Scalabrine more” thread? I’m serious.

As long as the boozebags at the home games don’t start chanting his name, it’s probably a good idea.

God bless and good night!

by BrickJames on Jan 4, 2009 10:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cleveland loss to the most worst team tonight.
Magic loss to Raptors.

There’s no immortal in NBA.
I wish they started like San Antonio with multiple loss and lately winning time with some couple of losses, atleast there’s no high expectation.
Just wish them good on the next game.

by spoiled on Jan 4, 2009 9:10 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't take solace in other teams losing

I know what I see and that is right now the Celtics are playing bas basketball, have lost four of six, and scored less than 90 points against the two worst defensive teams in the NBA. You are only as good as your last few games, and right now that is not good for the Celtics.

by vinnie on Jan 4, 2009 9:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, those teams lost, so it would’ve been a perfect night for us not to lose, and we couldnt do that.

by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 4, 2009 9:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Same could be saidabout the other teams and they didn’t win either.

by NoraG1 on Jan 4, 2009 9:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

anyone know

where the team ate dinner last night? maybe they were poisoned???

by reggie35 on Jan 4, 2009 9:26 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

kg and perk took way too long to do anything once they got the ball down low. eddie was on the floor way too long because he was doing diddly on o and his man was beating him off the dribble. tony looked like he was lost. they have some hurt bodies and egos and the knicks wanted it more and doc was outcoached. powe and baby should have plaayed more and yes scal played well but he has big holes on offense when he’s out there too long.hope kg is ok- he looked cooked and that leg/ankle looked cooked as well.pp is the gamer on this team and he’s not getting much help.

by nazzbo on Jan 4, 2009 9:33 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my take from the garden..

Just got home from the game, I did not recognize this team as the one that terrorized the league for the first quarter of the season. They did look old and slow, maybe one fast break attempt all night. No pride on defense. The Knicks wanted it more, played better ball than us and were in control for the entire game.

Maybe I missed something live, but keeping Rondo and Perk on the bench for last quarter was killing me. Scal was not horrible, but House was and they did not spread the floor as I assume was intended. It just reeked of Doc trying to play on the Knicks terms instead of forcing our own style of ball.

Vintage Pierce, though he never took over the game at any point. And Lee outplayed Garnett. I will not panic, but patiently await them to wake up and start playing with Celtic pride again. But a bummer of a game to go to I’ll tell you that much.

by NYDan on Jan 4, 2009 9:38 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

another one slips away...

Knicks played tough D, but…

Rondo must attack attack attack— they shadowed him on his probes under the basket… then he gave up attacking.

Doc: no adjustment re Jeffries guarding Rondo— just clear out and have Rondo attack! in 3rd knicks getting all the hustle rebounds, until we insert our hustle rebounder, Mr. Powe, who starts cleaning up. So why Scal over Powe in the 4th? Also, needs to rest Ray & PP earlier, get a consistent rotation… but that’s old news.

When will Perk learn to keep the ball up & not to dribble when he’s wide open under the basket? and why can’t he hustle for rebounds? He could get hands on half the rebounds he gives up on. We need a consistent Perk.

Ray struggled… Garnett struggled… but as a 7 footer, just turn and shoot j’s all night… no need to dream-shake Lee, just turn and shoot… Sometimes there’s too much game in KG’s game…

T.A.— I’ve been a card-carrying member of the fan club since that stretch before the blown knee against Indiana, but he’s lost his mojo. Anyone else ready for the Bill Walker era?

by datruthyall on Jan 4, 2009 9:48 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Putrid mental effort

Despite the point differential in the last game with the Knicks I was very worried about this game. Lately the Celtics have been making the physical effort but not the mental effort. It takes a mental commitment, especially for the Celtics, to play defense against teams like Golden State and the Knicks. The Celtics certainly got screwed by the officiating on their West Coast swing but they didn’t tonight. The Knicks employed a modified Tortoise versus the Hare strategy and the Celtics fell far it — again! In the last Knicks game they turned up the defense and the Knicks faded. It didn’t work tonight, they kept right on going. If the Celtics force the Knicks into their game they win, The Knicks were playing at home and chumped the Celtics into playing their style until it was too late for the Celtics to force a change. The lack of mental commitment by all the starters is noticeable. The reduction of their lead just before half time was clear evidence that they were not making the necessary mental effort. Their unforced turnover rate continues to be a sympton of lack of mental effort. Tonight Rondo kept trying to force passes that weren’t there and not taking the shots that were. Quite frankly I thought Scal played the most consistent defense of any of the Celtics. Harrington missed a lot more shots with Scal guarding him than KG.

by colt45s on Jan 4, 2009 9:52 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

scal is scal— let’s not get too gigged up

i know why eddie house was out there so long in the 4th, but… where was eddie house in the 4th?

so why we’re at it… yeah, FREE GABE!

by datruthyall on Jan 4, 2009 9:52 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh god, to make it worse, the Knicks had lost 8 games in a row!!!! pathetic

by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 4, 2009 9:56 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They won it last year. mentally, thats enough for the veterans, except for Paul. We dont have as good a team as we had last year and a lot of teams are a lot better than last year. Last year we surprised even ourselves and that momentum carried us all the way. This year, well, blah! if we win it fine, but we dont want it as bad and it will show at crunch time unless Doc finds himself again and we get some new players. We didnt want Possey bad enough and it will show in the Playoffs. The owners know that and if the owners knew it and didnt care, why should all the players care? Its a domino effect. The proof is in the pudding and the pudding we are preparing does not have the same quality engredients as last year. Thas all. No surprises here, really. Enjoy the season cause we will win more games tahn we will lose. Another Flag? No creo.

by Reyquila on Jan 4, 2009 9:59 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am afraid that you are right

how bad did the owners really want it, being unwilling to sign posey? did they really not see his value? really?really? does the excuse that we need cap space in 2010 seem sane now??We all saw KG’s issues last year. he is great for what he is and does. But he isn’t Jordan. He really doesn’t bring it every night. He has a great act but its an act. PP is at least as fierce and doesn’t have to tell the whole world about it. We need a big body next to kg all the time because of his flaws and because of docs flaws too. the knicks got a series of easy hoops toward the end and Perks happy butt was on the bench. doc has always had issues and with this thin of a bench we are going to see his freaky act again.

HAVE to get a big and a shooter. then all the rest of it will add up very well. house will seem like a nice additional hreat. TA can play with the starters and play d. KG won’t seem like a guy who only picks on smaller lesser players. Ray will seem like the ultimate dagger thrower. PP will seem like the ice cold killer he is. Perk will add muscle. We’ll be fine but we need two bodies, just solid guys at center and guys who can guard and shoot at the 3 line

by wahz on Jan 4, 2009 11:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now we see Posey's real value

Yeah we miss his perimeter shooting & D but Posey’s biggest addition to this team was veteran leadership & a locker room presence. That’s why I think we see all this bickering amongst the players now. Last year I think it was the same but Pose, and also PJ later on, was a strong enough calming force. Even the Big 3 respected him in that regard. We may have won the championship last year but this team for the most part is still young experience wise and it’s starting to show in our chemistry. We exhibited it at times last year but Big Game James seemed to bring the team back down to earth. Hope I’m wrong but I just don’t see anyone doing that this year so far. Definitely miss those man-hugs!!!

by Las Vegas Asian on Jan 5, 2009 6:25 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lost Mental Edge in LA

I hate to say this…but the Celtics seem to have gone south after Christmas day. They are playing physical, but they don’t seem focused. This isn’t only the players, but right up to Doc aswell.

Anyone else think that the loss in LA has anything to do with what’s happening here?

by Bostonboy1976 on Jan 4, 2009 10:05 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The team lose focus over one game they lost to the Lakers in Dec. I just don’t see it. If it were true Celtics would not have won the title last year if they focused that much on a loss.

by NoraG1 on Jan 4, 2009 10:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was at the game. Putting Harrington on Rondo totally confused the Celtics in the 2nd half, and seemed to limit him to a jump shooter, which is usually bad for us. Garnett looked exhausted after the fourth quarter, and we seemed to play better tonight when he was not in the lineup. I don’t understand why Doc took Powe out in the 4th quarter. He was the only player besides PIerce with any energy in the 2nd half. It was a big disappointment to see our team look very ordinary tonight.

by footey on Jan 4, 2009 10:32 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i was there too. I happened to be in town with the inlaws and coughed up over $260 for two tickets for the wife and I.

right from the jump, they looked effed up. just no energy. the knicks were getting places on the floor, which just doesn’t happen when our D is locked in. they had more spunk and just wanted it. not sure what is going on behind the scenes with this squad, but something is off. if it was a battle and we lost, i’d be OK.

but with these ticket prices, i’m done with going live. its better on TV.

by BirdNerd on Jan 4, 2009 10:56 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hear you, Birdnerd. I got my tix as a birthday gift from my wife, and they were very expensive seats. Happy birthday, huh?

by footey on Jan 4, 2009 11:04 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Perk and Rondo

Havent exactly been playing well, and I’m not at all mad at them for it, because both of them played out of their heads the entire season leading up to this stretch.. but its kinda exposed the big 3, and the fact that they havent been all that great this season, Ray Allen may be playing better and more effiecently than last year (not tonight) but big deal, this team is gonna live and die with PP and KG, and these 2 guys have not a had that great of a year, Pierce is starting to get it going, but nagging knee injuries are hurting him defensivly and hes shooting an abysmal fg% for the season, KG is far more concerning, hes truly a unique player to say the least, but right now hes more talk and cheap shots than he is a good basketball player, time to look in the mirror and pull it together a little bit

by TheAncientRivalry on Jan 4, 2009 11:55 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

big 3 hurting...

Just hope they are ok. Both Paul and KG seemed to bang knees and hobbled a bit at different times. BBD landed on Ray and that had to hurt!

by JBcat on Jan 5, 2009 12:08 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GRRRRR

rrrrrrrrRRRRR

Big brother no longer needs to watch, because the world is convinced he is.

by Schupac on Jan 5, 2009 12:29 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what he said

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Jan 5, 2009 1:08 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tony Allen get your sh-t together!!!!! DAMN

And Ray Allen has no gas left ? the rest of the season isnt looking good at all

by kheeko on Jan 5, 2009 12:43 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We lost the edge gents....

…. I think we are going to find out real soon what are team is made out of… The year isn’t over by any stretch if we have a sub-par performance this month, but hopefully this doesnt turn into a situation where the C’s know that they can fall apart at any time.

by Bostonboy1976 on Jan 5, 2009 1:22 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some rest for KG?

He seems hurt, and we won’t ask for a day off. 1-6 FG for one of the best power forwards in the history of the game…

by greenwise on Jan 5, 2009 1:36 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

4th quarter collapse... again

it seems that the Celts aren’t doing the work in crunch time when it matters most

by Ruben Wolkowyski on Jan 5, 2009 3:12 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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