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Doc Rivers: Fitting the Pieces

Doc says Daniels is a boon, discusses the long and short of it all, names other teams to look out for, and gives and end-of-bench quick appraisal...all while waiting for your toast to pop.

Some of the ideas put forth about roles on the team reinforce earlier thoughts that Doc had about things, especially with Marquis Daniels.  Others might be a bit more surprising, though are not the first time Doc has verbalized many of those thoughts either.

Most everyone thinks Marquis Daniels could help this team. The earliest thinking was that he would back up 2-3.
Shortly after, Doc added ‘point forward’ duties as in bringing the ball up and distributing it to Daniels list of potential responsibilities. Five preseason games in, it seems that might become reality. Some indications are that it might also cause problems for the other teams to defend.

Q: What are the advantages of having Marquis Daniels?

Marquis does a little of what Steph did. The difference is it was pushing it a little having Steph in, when Eddie was on the floor, because they really were two point guards (height-wise) and so the other team always had some kind of match up advantage.

Where with Marquis and Eddie and whoever the 2 is on the floor, we have a natural line up on the floor, it’s a 1,2, and a 3. Marquis can guard the 2 or the 3 and it’s a better fit.

The other thing is Marquis helps is they rarely (put) pressure on him. It was interesting, Jersey the first game, they actually put the point guard on Marquis, because they were trying to pressure the ball.

And when Marquis would bring the ball up, there were few (opposing) threes in the league who are going to ‘turn the ball’ full force, this and that. You just don’t see that a lot, minus Scottie Pippin.

(They thought) ‘we have to put some kind of pressure on the ball, we have to put our point guard on him.’ Then Marquis got the great post position right after that. So he’s just a smart player.

Doc is then asked when he decided they needed to make some moves. The reporter wasn’t local, so it’s understandable that he might not have known Doc’s season ending declarations.

 

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Q: When did it become obvious you had to upgrade? After everyone else started to?

I said that…about a day right after the season ended. I thought we absolutely had to get better as a team. I thought we took away from our championship team, and didn’t put in.

You know, we lost PJ and lost Posey and we lost Sam. And then we didn’t add to that. We added youth, that… hopefully some day the guys we drafted may be good players, but they weren’t ready yet. And everybody else we met this year (in the playoffs), last year had (added).

A long team…it appeared to be a long time gone.

The Celtics won with length in 2008. The Lakers won with length in 2009. Length matters.

Granted, it is not the only factor. The Spurs and Magic prove that. But it can be a big one. The Lakers will remain long and tall this season with 7’ 0" Andrew Bynum, 7’ 0" Pau Gasol and once again have a nimble 6’ 10" Lamar Odom coming off the bench.  Due to Odom’s ball handling and passing skills, he is a match up problem. Rasheed Wallace will present match up problems of a different nature for opposing teams.
 
Doc…

So I felt that we had to add to our team and it was clear in what areas for us. We had to add length. We weren’t long enough.

Doc channels Randy Newman.

When we won it, we were a long basketball team, with Perk, Kevin and PJ Brown. Last year, it was Perk and Kevin. When Kevin went out the door, it was Perk. When Perk had to sit because of foul trouble, we had two guys at 6’7" playing our 5 and 4. We weren’t long enough.

Then the other thing we had to have was a back up for Paul. Paul spent the entire season last year trying to score and defend the best player on the other team at the 2 or the 3, and that is exhausting.

Predictions
The top teams stay the same. Like Perkins did yesterday, Doc adds a couple of teams to be careful of this year.

Q: Do you want to say that it comes down to 5-6 teams that made the biggest moves and which ever team’s moves pays off biggest is going to win?

Well, I guess. I don’t think the east is changed much from last year. San Antonio is healthy and they made a move, so the west… are still the teams that were favored last year. And the east are still the teams that were favored, and they were favored before the trades were made. And they became stronger.

But I think some teams may jump into it. I think Washington you have to watch. Gilbert is healthy, and they made some changes. They could do better. I think no one’s talking about Dallas, and I think they could be a much better basketball team, as well.

I think some of the young teams are coming up. The east is clearly stronger. And that is good for all of us.

Q: Roster spots 11-15... can any of those players actually be depended on for any meaningful minutes in a pinch?

Oh. I don’t know. Really, right now, it almost depends on the night with those guys.

Then Doc breaks 'em down. While his answers have been consistent on these players for a while, I think it is fair to say that, it is not how many fans would have called it, say in the middle of the summer.

 Call it… Doc’s End of the Bench Awards. May I have the envelope please….

JR (Giddens) defensively, we could get away with.

Comment: Frank Dell' Apa of the Globe had more from Doc on this. It seems that Giddens chance to see any actual game time at all is as a defensive player. Put that gun back in your holster, J.R. You have just heard your ticket to the game…the defense must never rest.

Sweet (Michael Sweetney) offensively with his size.

This is an eye opener. Out of shape this much, Glen Davis never was. But the last time I remember seeing Mr. Sweetney play was an exhibition game against the Celtics. All he did was come in and rain jumpers down on the Green Team. I think he made at least three or four 12-15 feet jumpers in about ten minutes. He was out of shape then but looked downright skinny compared to now. The man has NBA ready offense. I’ll give him that.

Shelden (Williams) if it’s a pick and pop game, I think could do well.

Again Doc's answer surprises me. I don’t think that Shelden Williams has established an NBA pick and pop capability…yet. Does Doc see something that two other NBA teams haven’t? Doc believes in his mid range shooting ability.

The Celtics’ half court style of play is right for Shelden. He looked reasonably comfortable around the hoop in the Raptors game. He doesn’t look afraid to mix it up. Pick and pop? Mad Scientism? Or a Return to Dukey-ness?

Tony Allen, if he could just get healthy would be the best.

Therein lies the Secret to the DaVinci Code. Angels and Demons could easily be the title of Tony’s autobiography. The 2009 Space Odyssey of Tony Allen continues. Boston is ‘on the waterfront’. Tony’s still waiting to catch a healthy break.   

So, those are some quick insights into the strengths that Doc sees in each end-of-roster player, if needed.

There you have it.

Summary – study hard. Test tomorrow.
A look at a Marquis diamond a/k/a the Cold Cut Combo guard/forward,
some surprise competition from both the Obama Nation and the Cuban Nation,
the ‘short people aren’t the center(s) of the world’ dirge,
and the People’s Choice ‘Parked-On-The-Bench’ Awards

All for the price of a cup of coffee, the morning newspaper, and a few bad jokes. What a country.

Enjoy the day!

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Thanks. Another good one.

by thirstyboots18 on Oct 16, 2009 8:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks, t!

No mention of Hudson? Was this from before the last game?

by clover on Oct 16, 2009 8:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes it was.

It could be he just forgot. It was off the top of his head.

I wouldn’t read too much into it either way.

by Tom Halzack on Oct 16, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think that may have been the one time Hudson's stock had dipped--

—but I’m still guessing he’ll be in the suited-up 12 to start the season, and the ‘10th player’, with a few regular minutes in the rotation, by the All-Star break.

I take it as good news that they don’t see the need to gratuitously prop the guy up, for plumping his confidence or his market value.

by clover on Oct 16, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or risen--

Since he’s no longer considered “end of the bench”.

by kozlodoev on Oct 16, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Considering that Sweetney was mentioned, then that might not be the case… since he was asking about players 11-15. Sweetney would’ve made it 16 players total. I think he just forgot about Hudson.

by BudweiserCeltic on Oct 16, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

They love hudson. I think hudson is ahead of all the mentioned guys. Doc gave the list of players that ain’t makin’ the cut, with a few nice words about each.

by stevenfuzz on Oct 16, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Mystery Tenth Man

If the Celtics love Hudson, then why’s Doc pointing out the problem they had with teaming up two short guards, Marbury and House?

I’d like to hear more about the identity of this tenth man. Doc clearly wants it to be Tony Allen, but the guy’s gimpy and may have worn out his chances. With Walker laid up, the door seems cracked open for Giddens to slip in.

by no kidding on Oct 16, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I forgot about Scalabrine again. (It seems so easy to do.)

by no kidding on Oct 16, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think TA has worn out his chances unless Danny makes that decision. Doc likes Tony. Maybe it’s the Chicago connection. I’m baffled by it. I’m an OSU alum and I’m still not crazy about the guy on ‘this’ team. It appears certain however that when TA is fit enough he’ll be playing.

by amenhotep04 on Oct 16, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I find it easy to be happy with Tony – for about a five minute stretch of game time. Then he’ll do some goofy thing he should’ve stopped doing two or three years ago. Either that, or he’ll remind me that he’s a bad jump shooter. He wears you down.

by no kidding on Oct 16, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hudson sticks, Sweetney doesn't

I’m just an observor of preseason games, not up close and personal as Doc is. Sweetney isn’t long, he is in ridiculous shape (with no good excuse) and can’t guard anyone, and we don’t really need another scorer. Hudson has shown NBA potential, more than Gabe Pruitt did and we aren’t deep at the 1-2. Granted we’re talking two Maine Claws teamates for at least part of the year.

by Wildblu1 on Oct 16, 2009 8:53 AM EDT reply actions  

one man's opinion re: the pieces with 12 in uniform.....and giddens, house, daniels playing multiple positions

    1Perkins 2Garnett 3Pierce 4RAllen 5Rondo
    6Davis 7Wallace 8Giddens(3or2) 9House(2or1) 10Daniels(1or3)
    11Sweetney 12Scalabrine (alternating with Williams as to whom dresses)
    IR: TAllen, Williams
    NBDL: Walker, Hudson
    Walker finishes rehab, Tony Allen goes

by old_fan on Oct 16, 2009 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Hudson DLeague?

When Danny was asked whether he felt like he should have traded for a vet point guard, he said that he was very confident in hudsons abilities, why would he put him in the dleague. There is no way Giddens is in the second unit, he is trash.

by stevenfuzz on Oct 16, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

hudson and giddens

hudson is insurance being grown in portland, he may come up with injuries to smalls
re: giddens, for over a year giddens WAS trash, have you seen him lately?

by old_fan on Oct 17, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

TA goes?

Exactly where is a guaranteed-contract TA going? He’s not going to be cut in favor of an out-of shape Sweetney—especially when we have 6 players that can play the 4 or 5 spot and Sweetney does not have a guaranteed contract. TA’s not getting traded until the deadline if at all.

Sweetney will be the one going. Everyone else is here until the trading deadline.

also, Giddens, walker and Hudson figure to be in street clothes or D-League. One may bump Williams to the inactive list but I’d be surprised. None of them are pushing TA off the active roster at this point.

by slamtheking on Oct 16, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

ta guaranteed contract

ta has played seconds this preseason…..he is on the 12 squad until walker rehabs in portland and returns….at that point, who knows…..Sweetney may go he may be a tree at number 12 or on ir…..I wish I were smart and knew if he could qualify for developmental somehow, because he has offensive moves

Re: Giddens, he may go, but he may be climbing as his two most recent appearance would indicate. For a year, he was worthless.

by old_fan on Oct 17, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I reaaly need help on two things

First, is it just me??? because Marquis Queasy Louisey has not overly impressed me. Sure he can play several positions and is long but I haven’t seen that much “wow” factor. What % is he shooting in the preseason?

Second, in case Sweetney makes this team I would like a vote on his nickname. I have three (one belongs to RedZ)

Sweet N Low
The Human Eclipse
The Human Eclaire

Tenacious …..dude …you’re on fire….get those 2 fingers in some ice.

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Oct 16, 2009 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

About Daniels

I would agree but it’s early and the guy was ill (as in sick) for one game. The thing that does really stand out (and we knew this ahead of time, but it’s kind of makes me squirm actually seeing it) is that Marquis can’t shoot outside of the paint. In fact if he’s not shooting a floater/half hook type shot, he seems pretty low percentage to me. I guess as long as he’s playmaking it doesn’t matter much. With Baby, House and Sheed we’ve got shooters on the second unit. Throw in Paul or Ray and it shouldn’t be too much of a problem hopefully.

As for Sweets, I got nothing. Don’t think he makes the team but I hope he can get his weight in order and resume a productive pro career.

by Berkcelt on Oct 16, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

love the Sweetney monikers, PO-Boy (That’s a sandwich in Louisiana, BTW)

I think with Daniels, Doc said it well by saying that Eddie House is a distance shooter and Daniels is a passer and driver. That works.

I’ll be interested in seeing how he defends at each position.

by Tom Halzack on Oct 16, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

TP for the Po' Boy reference

next time I see you in the forums. (I lived in The City that Care Forgot for a number of years,pre-Katrina.) I could a good shrimp po’ boy right now!

"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark

by Eeyore III on Oct 16, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

love for The Big Easy

I lived there for a few years, too, Eeyore. West Bank.

Give a holla for a mufellatta!

by Tom Halzack on Oct 16, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thought you mighta been a Chalmutation

j/k. Your article was great, BTW.

"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark

by Eeyore III on Oct 16, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Doc did most of the work. I just had to frame it for context. But I appreciate the kind words anyway.

by Tom Halzack on Oct 17, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I swear Tony must just kick butt in practice when healthy

they show too much confidence in him for years now most of the time, the glaring exception being the playoffs 16 months ago. Yet they turn around and were willing to lose Pose and use TA as the replacement. He must just dominate at times in practice and not make thye silly errors we see all the time.

I just can’t belive the throwaway “the best” comment

by wahz on Oct 16, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

TA's good when healthy

He was early last season anyways. That can’t be taken away from him. Between Hudson and TA, I’d much rather give Hudson some run, but I wouldn’t be surprised if TA surprises us, if you know what I mean.

by Tai on Oct 16, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I really like TA, but it’s time to move away from him. I’d rather give Giddens and/or Walker a chance to establish themselves in this league. Although I like Hudson, I’d rather keep our length on the floor particularly since House will be also on the floor.

by BudweiserCeltic on Oct 16, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, but Doc is Doc. He’s got his reasons, and until Danny trades him, it appears Tony is going to have to play a lot worse before JR, Bill, or Hudson gets his minutes.

And I think it’s time for an upgrade. How about ‘FatTireCeltic’?

by amenhotep04 on Oct 16, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Along with culturally deferring to veterans and not talking up rookies, Doc makes Danny happy

…by talking up Tony any way, any how—however slim the chances of bundling him in a trade. Could also be Tony’s agent they’re playing to.

by clover on Oct 16, 2009 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Riverspeak

Gee, when the 6-8 Cowens and the 6-7 Paul Silas were manning the frontcourt no one complained about the lack of length. In fact, those two guys outrebounded everybody.

by Brickowski on Oct 16, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Doc was referring to the lack of length

last year in the playoffs, after Garnett and Powe went down, and Perk had to come out of the game. That left only Scal and Baby as bigs on the floor. Perhaps you forgot the playoff rotation off the bench consisted of House, Marbury and Scal. The Riverspeak you were referring to was about this situation and why they needed to get longer.

Do you really think this is all just in Doc’s head and there was no need to add Rasheed? Really?

by KJ33 on Oct 17, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

You said TA

I think that’s a legitimate debate, especially as long as TA remains injured. TA has almost overstayed his welcome.

If Hudson does well enough over these last preseason games, why not?

by Tai on Oct 17, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, TA is injured and can’t play. So sure, Hudson is better right now. But that will change.

by Brickowski on Oct 17, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

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