Do we have the best bench in the NBA?
by celtics #1 on Oct 22, 2009 12:11 AM EDT
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Ok we will probably have the following players on the active roster to make up our bench;
House
Daniels
Rasheed
Baby
Scalabrine
They will be the first 5 players coming off our bench.
Williams
Hudson
Will be the 11th and 12th men coming off our bench.
I think this bench is the best in the NBA since it is very deep and very talented.
Do you agree?
If not , who do you think has a better one?
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We definitely have one of the best bench in the league. With Barnes/Pietrus(one of them will start), Bass, Reddick, Gortat, J-Will, A. Johnson, Magic have a strong bench as well.
by Biraj on Oct 22, 2009 2:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes because...............
the first 4 players off the bench – House, Daniels, Rasheed and Baby could start for many teams in the NBA.
Scalabrine & Williams are solid talented role players and veterans.
Hudson has alot of potential and is full of talent.
by leothetiger on Oct 22, 2009 9:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Answer
No.
Pietrus
Barnes
Bass
Gortat
J. Will
Those 5 off our bench would beat any other 5 off any other bench.
And that excluding Ryan Anderson
Keep pumpin, ain't worried bout nuttin
Busters thought we was frontin, so reload and keep dumpin
Keep Sleeping on Orlando...
by BS Patrol on Oct 22, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess that...
Jason Williams being out for a year won’t mean much, right?
by Tai on Oct 22, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe.....
but they’re not the smartest. House is a pure shooter, Daniels is athletic but doesn’t know the game, Rasheed is getting lazier and less athletic by the day so he tries to make up for that with other things, Davis is just a fat guy who uses his body to get rebounds, and Scalabrine is a tall shooter.
I wouldn’t say they’re the best bench, but that’s a damn solid bench. It’s hard to over look the Magic’s bench with Bass, Gortat, and Barnes.
Plus the Lakers still have Lamar Odom coming off their bench and they rotate with Gasol and Bynum on the floor constantly.
And the Cavs beefed up their wings dilemma with Parker and Moon, and now Ilgauskus is coming off the bench when he was a starter for a 66 win team.
Then there’s San Antonio with McDyess, Ginobili, Blair and George Hill all coming off the bench.
If Scalabrine was more athletic and Rasheed was younger and if House and Daniels were smarter players, I’d definitely give the nod to Boston for best bench.
Well let me welcome everybody to the wild wild west. A state that's untouchable like Elliot Ness.
by pharoah on Oct 22, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lol
Did you just say Daniels “doesn’t know the game”? That’s a joke; is that why he’s playing as a PG so well? All in all, he’s a bigger but much less talented Rondo.
And BBD’s just “fat guy”? Yeah, a fat guy with a mid-range jumper. And he’s even lost weight…sure, he’s still big, and I hope that never changes, but did I miss something?
by Tai on Oct 22, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure how theyre “not he smartest.” House is a smart player, rarely turns the ball over, and has learned how to play PG in just 3 years, which means he has to have a good feel for the game. Daniels is one of the most versatile bench players in the league and even Doc has said he was astonished by how high his basketball IQ is. Baby is not just a fat guy who throws his body around. Infact, he doesnt really get rebounds, and if anything he should learn how to use his body better. He has a good jump shot, very good touch around the net, and is surprisingly quick on his feet for such a chubby guy. Rasheed still has a lot left in the tank i think. It was probably very hard for him to get motivated the last two years, knowing that he did not have a shot at the title, after being a contender for so long. Very smart, unselfish player who can spread the offense or create havoc in the paint. Probably the best bench player in the league (doesnt include guys like ginobili and ben gordon who play starter minutes).
Cavs bench is actually really bad. I live in toronto and parker and moon are both horrible excuses for players. only thrived because of the raptors stupid all offense system. these guys have no idea how to play defense or play basketball like it means something to them
with that said, orlando may still be better than us.
Jwill Vs daniels
bass vs house ??
Pietrus vs Scal
Barnes Vs BBD
Gortat Vs Sheed
tough call, the heights dont really line up, they seem to have a bigger bench. This could give them an advantage, but Pietrus Bass and Barnes are all SF’s with the ability to play SG or PF. Not sure if they are versatile enough players to really make that work.
marquis and house look good together, BBD has really improved lately, and Sheed will destroy gortat. Very tough call
by chilli on Oct 22, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay let me fix this post for you because it is quite f'ed up
if you were gonna play them head to head (which is stupid) the matchups would look like this:
JWill vs. House
Pietrus vs. Daniels
Barnes vs. Scal
Bass vs. BBD
Gortat vs. Sheed
Either way the Magic’s bench is way better than the Celtics.. I didn’t even put Redick or Anthony Johnson in there because we really dont have any need for them. The only player I would want off your bench is BBD. Good luck keeping all those guys away from the buffet table this year
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Oct 23, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you talk about the buffet table...
Then claim you would only want BBD off our bench. Did I miss something, apart from your apparent trolling?
by Tai on Oct 23, 2009 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that's your bench...
Who are your starters?
You’re not bringing all three of Bass, Pietrus, and Barnes off the bench, are you? One of those guys has to start (unless you’re starting Ryan Anderson or Redick), and for the first 10 games, two of them have to start.
What am I missing? Also, J-Will stinks, and Gortat can’t play power forward like Sheed can.
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by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 23, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding the first 5 players off both teams bench's, the only player advantage Orlando has .............
over the Celtics is Barnes over Scalabrine.
The Celtics have the more talent then Orlando in all the other 4 positions.
Also the Celtics are a deeper team then Orlando with talented bench players (not just bench stiffs) Landlord Williams, Hudson and Walker filling out roster spots 13 -15.
by fordescort on Oct 23, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Blake
Rudy Fernandez
Martell Webster
Travis Outlaw
Joel Przybilla
Thats a pretty strong bench there…
Blazersedge mods suck
by lrh86 on Oct 22, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind about Steve Blake.
Looks like he will be starting and Andre Miller will be coming off the bench to start the season.
Miller, Fernandez, and Przybilla are starters on a lot of teams in the NBA.
Portland has, what I believe to be, the strongest bench in the NBA.
Head to head vs the Celtics
Miller vs House- Miller is the better point guard by far here. The only edge House has here is his three point shooting but Miller more than makes up for it with his dishing abilities.
Fernandez vs Daniels- This matchup is won by Rudy 9 times out of 10. Rudy can bury the three and drive by if you play him to close. He also has good court vision to dish it to players slashing to the hoop.
Webster vs Scalabrine- They don’t necessarily play the same position but they kind of play the same role which is to shoot the open three and play some defense. Martell wins both of these categories.
Outlaw vs Davis- This matchup can go either way depending on what you want from your power forward. If you want low post defense and rebounding, then Big Baby wins it every time. But if you want floor spacing, on the ball defense, and clutch shooting then Outlaw is your man. (I would kind of favor Big Baby here because he plays the PF more traditionally with rebounding and post defense. Outlaw is more of a 3/4 hybrid)
Przybilla vs Wallace- Sheed has the edge here but just slightly due to his age. 2-3 years ago it wouldn’t even be close but as of now they both play excellent defense but Wallace can also provide some offense to go with it and the only offense that ‘Tha Thrilla’ can give you is put-backs, lay-ups, and dunks.
All things considered, both teams can list their benches as strengths but I would give the edge to Portland.
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by lrh86 on Oct 23, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Portland may have a better edge...
But the Celtics clearly trump them as a team.
I think the Celtics have the best bench of any of the “true contenders”.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 23, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you may be right...
although as far as the “true contenders” category, Orlando’s bench is nothing to sneeze at.
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by lrh86 on Oct 23, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's a little overrated...
First, the Magic fans need to decide who their bench is, since they can’t count all three of Bass / Barnes / Pietrus.
Assuming Pietrus starts, I don’t think Gortat / Barnes / Bass / Jason Williams is all that imposing. We’ll see, but I think those guys are a step down in quality from Rasheed and Daniels. (Gortat might be as good, but he’ll get 10 minutes per game, and can’t really play beside Howard.)
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by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 23, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Celtics probably have the best bench in the NBA and it may only get better.........
To begin House, Daniels, Rasheed and Baby are all talented starting quality players and Scalabrine is a solid bench player.
That’s a darn good solid 5 players coming off your bench that teams would die to have.
You also have the Landlord Williams, Hudson and Walker all filling the end of the bench who are all great role players that can come off the bench and contribute.
The bad news for the rest of the NBA is, the Celtics bench may get even deeper and more talented come the trade deadline if Ainge can trade Tony Allens and/or Scalabrine’s expiring contracts to another team in exchange for more talented player(s).
The Celtics are all ready stacked like hot cakes with depth and probably have the best bench in the NBA today and Ainge deserves alot of credit for the acquisitions of Hudson, Williams, Rasheed and Daniels over the summer and for rebuilding the bench.
If Ainge can pull the trigger on trading Scal and T. Allens valuable expiring contracts in order to obtain more bench talent that will only make seal the deal that the C’s definitely have the best bench in the NBA !
by fordescort on Oct 22, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL at House being a starting quality player
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Oct 23, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you do not think House is a starting quality player then you have not seen him play over the last few years..........
He is one of the best shooters in the NBA, can play spot duty point guard and though is not a great defender, he gives it 100% is a good passer and does not commit a lot of turnovers .
He is also solid veteran player who brings poise and leadership when he is on the floor.
That’s all the proof you need to have that proves House is a starting caliber player.
by fordescort on Oct 23, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
30 Games started over his entire 10 year career
That’s all the proof you need to have that proves House is not a starting caliber player
by C.A. Clark on Oct 24, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You must of also not seen him play the last few years .........
I will repeat once again
I will repeat again:
House is one of the best shooters in the NBA that right their makes him a starting quality player.
But add the fact he can also bring the ball up the court, pass the ball, does not commit a lot of turnovers, is a solid veteran player who brings poise and leadership when on the floor…………..
That’s all the proof you need to know that proves House is a starting caliber player.
by fordescort on Oct 24, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really shouldn't do this ...
By the last few years, I’m going to assume you mean the last two years. Otherwise, you are saying that a guard who started one game for a 41-41 team is starting quality.
House is a good shooter, but he was only “one of the best shooters in the NBA” last year. The year before, his shooting statistics are pretty pedestrian (for somebody who’s main role is to be a shooter).
In fact, by the criteria you’ve laid out, I could say that Sasha Vujacic is a starting quality player. Over the past two years, they have similar shooting stats, Vujacic can bring the ball up the court, House has better assist statistics, but also more turnovers.
Do I think Sasha is starting quality? Not even close. He’s a role player on a very good team. That’s exactly what House is. In fact, House is a better (or more appropriately, more consistent) role player than Sasha.
If your criteria for starting quality is capable of starting on a bad team, then your criteria is too low, because the top 8-9 players for each of the Lakers, Celtics, Spurs, Magic, and Cavs are “starting quality”. By any other measure of the term, House doesn’t measure up. That’s OK. It’s no insult to say that a good role player isn’t starting quality.
by C.A. Clark on Oct 25, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course House is not a starting caliber player for a elite team......
but is he a starting quality player for lower to mid class teams ?
I say and belief many would also say ..yes he is.
The same goes for Baby and Daniels.
Though they are starting quality players, could they start for elite clubs ?
Probably no, but for the lower to middle class teams of course yes.
Since also its no stretch to say that House, Daniels, Baby and of course Rasheed could start for about 1/2 of the the teams in the NBA, that is all the proof one needs to prove they are starting quality players.
by fordescort on Oct 25, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said fordescort
Great post and comments across the board.
I think 1/2 the teams in the NBA (maybe even more) would love to have the Celtics main bench rotation players as their starters.
That"s all the proof you need that they are starting quality players !
by celtics #1 on Oct 25, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine, the Celtics have 3=4 starting quality players on their bench
Just like LA (Farmar, Vujacic, Odom), San Antonio (McDyess, Blair, Ginobli/Mason)
Orlando (Pietrus, Barnes, Gortat, Bass) and Cleveland (Ilgauskas, Parker, Moon). Hell, Cleveland’s bench might be the worst of those 5, and all three of their bench players actually were starting for a middle of the pack team last year (or for the Cavs themselves).
So my next question would be … Who cares? Elite teams wouldn’t be elite teams if they didn’t have better than average talent on the bench. Do you think that only the Celtics bench has multiple players that could start for lessor teams?
There are 5 elite teams this year. They each have a superior bench. Portland also has a superior bench (and could also end up being elite). Comparing benches is all well and good, and makes for great conversation. But just throwing out a term like “starting quality” for your team’s bench ignores the argument completely because it can be applied to all the teams involved.
So either you’re wrong and House isn’t starting quality, or you’re right, but it proves absolutely nothing.
by C.A. Clark on Oct 25, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It took awhile, but I am glad you finally admitted..........
like I was saying from the start that House is a starting quality player.
by fordescort on Oct 25, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better later then never ....
fordescort.
Even though you had to wait a awhile at least you won the initial argument.
by leothetiger on Oct 25, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
House for threeeeeeee!
I think we are going to hear alot of that this year.
Go House!!!.
by celtics #1 on Oct 25, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a joke right?
What you were saying was that Boston’s bench is better than everyone else’s because of how many “starting quality players” they have on the bench. I said House wasn’t starting quality, unless you set a pretty low standard for starting quality, in which case all of the good teams have just as many starting quality players on their bench as the Celtics do.
I called your argument worthless and arbitrary, and you concluded that I agreed with you?
by C.A. Clark on Oct 26, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No joke cause you did agree with fordescort ........
that House was a starting quality player, so no spinning out of this one.
The proof are your own words that I will quote below.
From your previous posted comment :
“Fine the Celtics have 3=4 starting quality players on their bench”
From this your current posted comment:
“I said House wasn’t starting quality, unless you set a pretty low standard for starting quality”
Since you gave in and finally agreed with fordescort that House is a quality starter, this debate is over and fordescort is the winner.
by celtics #1 on Oct 26, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I want to 2nd that vote
I agree also with you celtics #1 that fordescort won the debate.
You did such a great job breaking down exactly how, I assume you must be a lawyer, LOL.
Celtics best starting lineup in the NBA
+ Celtics best bench in the NBA
-————————————————
= Celtics championship banner #18
by BESTNBAFRANCHISE on Oct 26, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they have the best starting lineup
I’m a Laker fan, and I don’t even think the Lakers have the best starting lineup. I’d say the Celtics have the best bench, but that doesn’t really matter if the games are close.
The Celtics are old, and they’re not as athletic. The Lakers have a chink in the armor at the PG position. I’d say the “best” starting lineup is Orlando (I know, I’m crazy). Dwight Howard is a beast. Rashard Lewis is still a unique player who’s long and big but plays like a perimeter player. Vince Carter can still score. Jameer Nelson was having a great season until his injury. I don’t know who the last starter is, but it’s going to either be Bass or Barnes or Pietrus.
But the best starting lineup is not the same as best team. Since bench players and starters will play on the floor together you can’t say the best starting lineup plus best starting bench will automatically be the best team. How do those players put it together? It’s how all players mesh together.
Well let me welcome everybody to the wild wild west. A state that's untouchable like Elliot Ness.
by pharoah on Oct 26, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not trying to be insulting or inflammatory
But are you even reading all of what I’m writing?
Or do you just get to the part that says what you like and then stop?
by C.A. Clark on Oct 26, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please give it a rest
You lost the debate with fordescort , just accept it like a man and stop trolling on our Celtic blog.
by leothetiger on Oct 26, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
We should just ignore troller’s.
by celtics #1 on Oct 26, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow with the "troll" comments
C.A. Clark is a legitimate blogger with a blogging job. He gets paid to write comments.
Plus, he in no way lost the debate. He “admitted” House was a starting caliber player if it was for a worst team than the Celtics (i.e., the Charlotte Bobcats). Then he went on to say that Vujacic or Odom or starting Caliber players, such as House or Daniels. That’s not losing the debate. That’s looking at it from a different angle. Luke Walton could start for the New York Knicks, but because he’s on a stacked, elite team, he does not. Moon and Parker from Cleveland ARE starting caliber players more so than House because, well, they’ve started more games.
Well let me welcome everybody to the wild wild west. A state that's untouchable like Elliot Ness.
by pharoah on Oct 26, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol I wish I were paid to blog
But I appreciate the vote of confidence.
by C.A. Clark on Oct 26, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well as far as the Celtics bench...
Rasheed’s definitely been a starter, and Marquis started in 43 of 54 games for the Pacers last year, until he was injured.
Then, you got BBD, who did OK as a starter for the Celtics during the playoffs, so that’s 3.
So, that’s 3 supposed bench players for the Celtics that are capable of starting. That doesn’t even include Eddie House. But yeah, since he’s one-dimensional and doesn’t have the true experience of starting, I’ll say he’s not starting-caliber either. Still, that’s a very good bench.
by Tai on Oct 26, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ask and ye shall receive
If you think I’m a troll, I don’t know what to tell you.
I presented an argument. Only the parts of that argument that seemed concilatory were acknowledged, the rest was ignored. I called you out on that point, and got labeled a troll.
You’re getting what you want because I’m gone and won’t be back. But it sure seems to me that you are far more interested in declaring yourselves the winner/best then engaging in actual debate about the subject.
by C.A. Clark on Oct 26, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, sorry.
Atlanta:
PG- Jeff Teague
SG- Jamal Crawford
SF- Maurice Evans
PF- Joe Smith
C- Zaza Pachulia
by KGMN on Oct 24, 2009 6:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lol, this isn't even on the front page...
And people from OTHER team blogs wanna weigh in just to brag about THEIR bench or trash talk ours. Where are you guys in the other fanposts? XD
by Tai on Oct 25, 2009 12:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When you make a posting titled “Do we have the best bench in the NBA?” you are kinda inviting discussion from fans of other teams. That is what is so great about SB Nation, other teams fans can go to other sites and discuss sports.
Blazersedge mods suck
by lrh86 on Oct 26, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overall, fair enough, but my point was...
..in my last sentence, and that you decided to come here when a topic like this was brought up. It’s no biggie to me; we have a whole season ahead of us that will prove who’s right. I just imagine in my head that people from other team blogs read this fanpost, then stood up from their and screamed “WHAT?!” in rage. : )
Whatever, can’t wait for Tuesday, at least for the Celtics.
by Tai on Oct 26, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMFAO
at all the trolls, its going to be worse than last year i’m sure
by j804 on Oct 26, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
let's be realistic homers
If we have the best bench in the league it’s not down to the individual talents (except Sheed) but Doc, the leadership of the Big 3, and the system as a whole. Guys like House and Big Baby are phenomenal pieces in the Celtics puzzle. But on many other teams, given too much responsibility, they would be badly exposed. I love Eddie, he can fire up a comeback or put a lead out of reach. But against a tough defending PG he can barely get the ball across halfcourt. Baby has come a long way, but he’s still immature and easily confused. I can say those things and still believe that those guys will come through big, in their roles in our system, and be essential to winning the next banner.
And I don’t care what happens in preseason, Daniels is still a question mark.
by Cannoneo on Oct 26, 2009 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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