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Despite the distractions, Rondo can still be a leader.

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Despite the distractions, Rondo can still be a leader.

It is preview season, so everywhere you look some expert is picking team names out of a hat and putting them on a board and ranking them based on who-knows-what kind of system.  It all starts to sound like noise after a while and the opinions that I respect sometimes get blended in with the ones that I really don't care for.  However, I do always pay attention to the annual scouting reports that SI runs that are done by actual NBA scouts of opposing teams.  They aren't perfect either, but this is their job to know the ins and outs of each team.  (As opposed to Marc Stein, who's job is to write articles about the league - which he does well, but it is a different goal)

So without further lead in, I'll share this link with you.

Boston Celtics roster analysis 2009-2010 NBA preview - NBA - SI.com

I'll give you some quotes because that's what I do, but take my advice and read the whole thing.

The scout talks a lot about Rondo.  He seems to think that the offseason stuff was a distraction, but Rondo will be a professional "once the ball goes up." 

At the same time, I do think he's a kid who has an ego -- that's one reason he's so good -- and he has to be hurt by the speculation because he has done a lot for the franchise. There's no doubt he's one of the premier point guards in the league. He can run a half-court offense, he can get the ball into the paint at will and he's become a much better finisher. He's a pass-first point guard who will play within his limitations when he doesn't have the ball. Defensively, he's at his best on the ball; when he's off the ball, he's a bit like Allen Iverson in that he gets a lot of deflections, but he also takes too many risks that let down his teammates because he isn't where he's supposed to be. On the ball, when he wants to be, he's a monster.

So I look at Rondo and say, 'Why wouldn't they want to sign him up to a new contract?' He's a huge building block, he knows the system, why not lock him up? But there does seem to be something that makes them hesitate, something about him they don't like. Maybe they call a play and he does his own thing too often, or maybe he doesn't listen to his teammates. But in the big picture, when that ball goes up, he's a tiger. He doesn't want to come out of the game, he does the dirty work, he pushes the ball and gets it to people. He's a very unselfish passer who doesn't have to overdribble before he makes the pass. I love the way he plays.

Now I know we've focused on Rondo a lot lately, but I think that's justified.  Still, there's more to this team than our young point guard.  After the break see some more quotes on non-Rondo issues.

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Paul Pierce:

He belongs up there in the history of the Celtics with the John Havliceks and the Tom Heinsohns. He's already one of the all-time leading scorers in the history of the franchise, and in terms of his minutes played and durability, he's been tremendous.

Kevin Garnett:

I expect Garnett to come back strong. He knows -- they all know it -- that this is the year. They're all getting older and who knows how the economy and the whole lockout business are going to affect the league after this year.

Marquis Daniels:

I know he's been undisciplined, but the Celtics will help him there. He can be a scoring machine if the Celtics can keep him within the system, which I think they'll do. Thibodeau is going to love having him. On the ball he's a good defender, though he loses his focus when he's off the ball. That's an area where he'll need to be coached. He's not a shooter but on this team they'll always have one or more shooters on the floor with him. They can play him as a second guard helping to bring the ball up against pressure alongside House, because a wing man is not going to be able to take the ball away from Daniels.

Rasheed Wallace:

He didn't take charge last year with Detroit. They had good talent on that team, and I know the coaching was terrible, but he could've taken charge there, and when he didn't, that raised a flag for me. But...

The bottom line is that this move will work out for them because he'll want to win another ring and this is his last chance.

On who should play Center in the clutch:

If it's a tight game, will it be Rasheed on the floor in the final five minutes or will it be Perkins? I think it will be Perkins because of his defense down low.

Tony Allen:

Then there is Tony Allen, who is unreliable. He doesn't have a good basketball IQ. He'll make the steal but follow it with a stupid foul. You can't put him in comfortably to let the other guys rest. While he's in the game you're hoping he won't do something to screw it all up for you, and that kind of guy doesn't fit in with a team like this.

Doc Rivers:

Rivers is an excellent offensive coach who has continued to get better. I've always been impressed with his set plays and how organized he is. Defensively, he's good. Defense is important to him, and yet he doesn't need to be viewed as the coach of the defense, which says a lot about him. He doesn't have to take a backseat to anybody.

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I gotta tell ya

I find it hard to argue with ANYTHING in that article

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Oct 23, 2009 7:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, what fun is that, Jeff?

;-)

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 23, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only thing I'd quibble about

is the statements on Rasheed. He’s never been a take-charge guy on a team, so suddenly having flags raised about this last year is silly. He’s looked like a great fit here so far not just because he wants to win another ring, but because his skillset and personality mesh well with this team.

by MattD on Oct 23, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed Jeff

Sounded like me describing the Celtics to a friend. I can quibble over a couple points, but overall it seems to be a pretty simple explanation of the Celtics this year.

by amenhotep04 on Oct 23, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gosh, I wish I’d come up with that analysis on Tony Allen.

:-)

by CoachBo on Oct 23, 2009 7:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Haha.

It’s dead on, for sure.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 23, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marquis Daniels/Rondo

The Marquis Daniels described here doesn’t seem like the Quis I’ve seen in pre-season.

As to Rondo and his extension. When has Danny done things quickly and often not waited for the last minute. When he does need to do things quickly they are done quickly +. Rasheed—needed quick action, done!! Rondo, they have till Oct. 30 to extend him and he’s restricted next year. Danny could be exploring other things that don’t directly involve Rondo before finishing this deal. I don’t know why in the world Rondo won’t be a Celtic for a long time. It will get done and if Rondo has problems understanding this his agent should be there to help. Danny can say something, but then Danny should get a cut of what Rondo’s agent is getting

"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn

by TrueGreen on Oct 23, 2009 8:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m fine with RFA’ing Rondo and doing something after the year, when we have a handle on whether he’s improved any of the deficient areas of his game.

by CoachBo on Oct 23, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good article and very positive on the c’s. relative to the whole, tony a is a problem but not as big as what exists on most teams. his biggest prob. is his being injury prone. if he gets healthy and stays with this team, he won’t be on the floor for that long and his d and energy will help.

by nazzbo on Oct 23, 2009 8:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Was this just one scout?

This was one scout. I wonder what the consensus was. It’s one of the better analyses I’ve seen of the current roster, though.

by Brickowski on Oct 23, 2009 9:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rondo's extension not getting done is simple

Rondo wants close to CP3, D. Williams money and if his outside shot doesn’t improve much from where it is at, he’s not getting those type of dollars. I know Rondo doesn’t want max money but these PG aren’t getting max money now either.

Rondo wants paid based on his “potential” that he continues to improve and reaches that level. Danny & Co are not wanting to pay for potential on the extension.

IMO all the summer brooha-ha was done for 2 reasons: 1) to try to determine what market value would be for a Rondo trade- and only make that trade if equal or better value was coming back that would knock our socks off; and 2) to show the warts of Rondo and help keep his value down.

I expect Rondo to have a very good but not great season and the Celts to match whatever offer he gets. This is playing out a little like it did with Baby this past summer.
Celts are in the driver’s seat and don’t want to overpay to keep him.

by brianceltfan on Oct 23, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t realize you had inside sources with Rondo? When has he said he wants CP3, D-Will money? The only report about what Rondo would take is from Maxwell when he said that Rajon would take 5 yrs 50 mil, and that is well within reason.

by misterx2day on Oct 23, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ditto

I was going to ask the same question. When did Rondo say all that?

by guava_wrench on Oct 23, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wise up dudes and do the math!

According to Cornbread Maxwell who is friends with Rondo, he reportedly was told he wants a minimum of $10M per year (and that includes his lousy outside shot). His agent I’m sure wants him to get every penny. D. Williams and CP3 will make $13.5 range. I think there is a snow ball’s chance that this deal gets done in the next week. Danny isn’t going to pay for potential, and Rondo isn’t given a Celt discount.

My point, if Rondo’s outside shot goes from miserable to close to average, his agent and he will be thinking his value is worth even more. Obviously there are NBA restrictions with the salary, years of service, etc but my whole point again is Rondo thinks he’s worth at least $10M right now as is and he’s looking to paid for his “potential”. If his outside shot drops, do you think he will consider himself even more valuable- DUH?

by brianceltfan on Oct 23, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no,

  Maxwell asked Rondo what he’d do if the Celts offered him $10M a year and Rondo said he’d take it. He didn’t say that was the minimum he was looking for.

  And, sure, he wants to get paid for potential. Why would he sign a contract that pays him until he’s 28 based on his play when he was 23? Don’t you think he’ll be better by then?

by BballTim on Oct 23, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, agreed

Two other things:

1) I don’t know how close of a friend Rondo is with Max; and

2) I remember seeing somebody say that Max laughed about that later, like he had been joking or something.

Cedric Maxwell is not a reliable source. He sometimes says things just for attention.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 23, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love this quote on Perk:

“There used to be a lot of guys like him in the league.”

Pretty much says everything, doesn’t it?

by theBird on Oct 23, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Eddie?

No real mention of Eddie House. Probably the C’s most dangerous offensive player off the bench. I think teams will have more trouble shutting him down now that rest of the second unit is improved.

I also love quote on Perk. Dead on about both Perk and the league. Good overall analysis.

by Silverlock on Oct 23, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rondo is the most important player for us to win 18

Celtics go as Rondo goes. We can afford an off year from any other player but him to win the championship. When he is off the floor, we are an old slow team.

by footey on Oct 23, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd still rank KG as more important...

Rondo definitely will play a huge role in our team’s success, but I think things start and end with KG. A couple of years ago, we won a title with a pretty mediocre Rondo.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 23, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the link, Jeff....

It is a very good analysis of the Celtics.

by footey on Oct 23, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Daniels is a nightmare matchup

for other teams. This started to surface itself in the last 2 games. I was excited because he at the least was adding versatility and depth to the team, but Doc really drew up some things that Marquis excelled in and other teams could not defend. When he was the ball handler, he dumped to Sheed in the high post in the double high look and immediately dove to deep post position. If Sheed’s man sags, he’ll be open, same with Eddie in the corner.

Daniels burned Moon and showed he is a very talented one-on-one offensive player. Also, the same set with him in the corner, he ducks into the post, again, with the floor spaced with shooters, he can beat his own man with regularity. If they double, he is very smart about finding the open man. Look for more and more of these sets that get Marquis isolated with the ball.

by KJ33 on Oct 23, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TA

I don’t think TA will cost us, like the quote says. With Daniels TA’s role will be smaller. Games are not won and in the first 3+ quarters, that happens in the last 2 minutes. With Daniels, if we don’t have confidence in TA he sits and waves a towel. He can play 10-15 mins when there’s little or no pressure resting PP or Ray and it’s really not a big concern.

by badax33 on Oct 23, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A few thoughts

- Rondo is indeed key to the success of this team. But there’s a difference between his value to this team and his general market value. He’s perfect for the Cs – slashing, super-quick, incredible court vision, pass first, etc. But because of his quirky personality and poor/middling jumper, other teams will not value him as the Cs do. From a business POV, these are the considerations for the team. Do you pay him what he’s worth TO THE CELTICS? That would be a lot. Or his market value? Which is business-logical.

- KG is the most indispensable guy on this team. We found that out last year. He’s their heart and soul… when he left, they just sort of fizzled away. Of note, though: This year is different… Sheed adds a new dimension, because all of the big 3 plus Doc and Wyc basically promised this guy a ring, and more (best team ever?). This created a new dynamic, where all the key guys are, as one, even more dedicated and personally invested in succeeding right now. Plus he’s another guy, like KG, whose wears his passion on his sleeve.

- Giving Eddie short shrift is typical for Eddie. The guy’s the most underrated player in the league. Without Eddie, there’s no Finals Game 4 win, no #17. He scores in big bunches, with limited minutes. And he works hard on every facet of his game. Guy’s amazing, but taken for granted. Weird.

- Saying that TA doesn’t fit in with this team is a perfect statement. Signing him for 2 years was a big mistake, one of the few Danny’s made. I doubt he’ll be playing in the NBA next year.

- At this point, if there were no BBD on the team, I don’t think anybody would notice. Funny how that worked out, given what happened last season. From his POV, he certainly would have been better off starting on another team. He’s not gonna be a happy camper now. Look for a trade at some point.

by DRJ1 on Oct 23, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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