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Rondo Article In ESPN Mag

Rondo is getting lots of lessons in maturity these days.

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Rondo is getting lots of lessons in maturity these days.

Given all the attention that we've given Rondo recently, I wouldn't be posting yet another Rondo post without new, interesting information.  But I wanted to share some of the quotes from the ESPN the Magazine article by Ric Bucher and I don't think it is available online unless you have ESPN Insider.  First of all, if you have a chance, please, please read the whole article because quotes just don't give you the full story.  With that said, I'll be giving you the quotes without much commentary to let you draw your own conclusions.

Near the beginning of the article, Bucher describes a sit down meeting Rondo had with Doc after they were eliminated from the playoffs last June.

the coach asked: "Do you think your teammates like playing with you?"

Now if you recall, three seasons ago, Doc was a little more straightforward with Rondo saying "Do you know your teammates hate playing with you?"  At the time, "his coach's comments left him struggling to breathe" but it seemed that he had put that behind him.  So it must have been hard hearing it come up again. 

Here was Rondo's reaction this past June.

"I thought so," was all Rondo could muster.

Rivers didn't press.  He knew the question would get Rondo thinking, analyzing.  Because that's what he does.  It's the secret to his success and, maybe, the reason behind Rivers' insinuation.  No one is harder on Rondo than Rondo.  And when the young playmaker rewound the season, he paused on a few sidelong glances and not-quite-heard whispers.  Just like that, the playground ghosts were back.  Rondo had chalked up the disappointing season to complacency after a title or capitulation following Kevin Garnett's knee injury.  He never imagineed that anyone would see him as the problem.  "That," he says "was like a stab in the back."

The article goes on to talk about offseason rumors and Danny's statement that Rondo "had to grow up." 

Star-divide

At one point during the offseason Ainge also let it be known that Rondo was late for a shootaround before a game in the playoffs.  This article gives details.  It was before game 1 of the Magic series.  He left his house at the normal time (5PM) and hit "a wall of unexpected traffic."

Doc was halfway through his pregame talk when Rondo arrived.  His routine in shambles, so too was his first half.  He missed his first six shots as the Magic built an 18 point halftime lead.  Rivers lit into him at the break, and rondo nearly finished with a triple-double.  But the Celtics lost the game, homecourt advantage and, maybe, the series - all because Rondo was late.

Here are some more assorted quotes that you might find interesting.

"We don't have to be best buddies to win a championship."

And only now is he promising to stop warming up with his laces untied, claiming he was unaware coaches saw it as disrespectful.

"I didn't have that meeting for him to talk," the coach says.  "He needed to hear about some things."  Things like his late arrival to the first game against the Magic in the conference semis, his body language and loss of focus, his speaking up at the wrong timje - or not speaking up enough.  Still, Rivers is very clear. "This isn't a Rondo issue, it's a young-player-chasing-a-contract, celebrity-and-endorsements issue," he says.  "What he can't forget is the basketball chase."

"If I part with the Celtics, they'll realize what they passed on," he says.  "A team that wants me, that's where I want to be."

The obsessiveness shows most, though, after he commits some on-court blunder. “He doesn’t want to be bothered, because he’s processing what he did wrong,” Bibby says. “By the time you rip him, he’s figured it out.” Problem is, in the NBA three plays have transpired during the processing, three plays during which Rondo is in his own penalty box and Boston is playing a man down. “You’re playing mad,” Rivers has told him more than once. “Get past mad. It’s killing you, and that’s killing us.”

Just a very interesting and revealing article all around.  Again, read the article if you have a chance.  There are quotes from his brother and coaches from high school and college that give good insight to his personality (not surprising, he's bright, stubborn, and a little obsessive compulsive).

The article ends on a positive note.  Hinting that maybe Rondo is starting to "get it." 

Everyone is leaning back, laughing and joking.  Everyone except Rondo.  He's leaning forward, all in, the joy of being part of this exclusive club leaking out in the form of a rare smile, not a ghost to be seen.

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One more quote I thought was interesting:
The obsessiveness shows most, though, after he commits some on-court blunder. “He doesn’t want to be bothered, because he’s processing what he did wrong,” Bibby says. “By the time you rip him, he’s figured it out.” Problem is, in the NBA three plays have transpired during the processing, three plays during which Rondo is in his own penalty box and Boston is playing a man down. “You’re playing mad,” Rivers has told him more than once. “Get past mad. It’s killing you, and that’s killing us.”

Let’s hope he gets over this habit with time. Rondo is a great player, but certainly not a finished product.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 24, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks, I just added that

as well as this one:

“We don’t have to be best buddies to win a championship.”

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Oct 24, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Got the mag last night :stopped reading it when I for one realized bucher was screwing up facts in the doc/rajon meating about the teamates “likeing him.” Classic case of the writer butchering the truth. This meeting was years ago. I don’t think there was another one this year. Such nonsense. This is why athletes are afraid of interviews. This whole article may well have been created by Bucher. He never acknowledges this is a repeat of an old discussion between Doc and RR.

by wahz on Oct 24, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt Bucher just made stuff up...

He probably doesn’t want to get sued and/or lose his job and/or lose his connections.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 24, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

excuse me, but

that sounds a bit naive, given how many reporters have been caught butchering the truth in recent years.

I’m not saying Bucher is guilty of such – but I’m now curious to know just what wahz is referring to. I would basically advise everyone to take everything with a big ol’ grain of salty skepticism.

by mmmmm on Oct 24, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two things...

1) Bucher is a very well-respected reporter; and

2) These same types of things are being repeated in story after story. It’s not like Bucher is the lone voice in the wilderness.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 24, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, for whatever it's worth...

Bucher picked the Celtics to win the title this season, so it’s not like he’s a “hater”.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 24, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Respected or not

 “But the Celtics lost the game, homecourt advantage and, maybe, the series – all because Rondo was late” is nonsense.

by BballTim on Oct 24, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting, isn’t it, how defensive some folks are about the clearly documented warts on Rondo’s game.

As you say, Roy, this stuff just keeps getting repeated.

Rondo’s a talent. He’s nowhere near a finished product. I applaud the efforts of Celtics management to push him to complete his development.

by CoachBo on Oct 24, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

Ya, he actually does it for a living and the libel suits potentially pending on an international publication are astounding. I would check YOUR facts before going after Bucher, or are you tight with either Doc or Rondo?

by lakersbluedevil on Oct 25, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope he keeps his shoes on

Does any other player in the NBA have his shoes fall off as often as Rondo?

This seems to fall in line with his general problem. He does things the way he wants to, even if he is out of a play because his shoe fell off.

I hope he doesn’t become one of those players who becomes half of what he could have been because of stubbornness and believing he knows it all.

by guava_wrench on Oct 24, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The driving intensity and the damaging willfulness are two sides of the same coin.

You can complain about certain aspects of Rondo/‘s makeup, and he can work on overcoming them. But the negatives come along with the positives. Don’t bother focusing on one side without acknowledging the other.

by no kidding on Oct 24, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's the problem, though...

Both Doc and Danny have said that Rondo doesn’t play with consistent effort / intensity. I think if Rondo went all-out every game, and performed consistently, both Doc and Danny would bite their tongue on some of the stubbornness.

He’s an amazing talent, and when he’s “on”, there are few better. With time, hopefully we see fewer and fewer of these stories.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 24, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

I just know from experience, lots of folks will take all the intensity one can deliver, seldom thinking about how it might surpass what’s normal – but then will make no allowance for the extra stubborness.

by no kidding on Oct 24, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Intensity and a stubborn streak aren’t automatic partners, no kidding. It’s pretty clear at this point that the Celtics brass loves the intensity; it’s the stubborn streak that has brought this relationship to what appears to be a tipping point.

by CoachBo on Oct 25, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m a huge fan of the Celtics and Rondo (in that order) so I’m still hopeful they can work these things out

it would be a shame to lose him long term when the current mix of teammates that he may or may not always get along with is here for the short term

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Oct 24, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Enough already

It’s true. News flash: Rondo is not perfect. He has flaws. Welcome to the human race.

What I remember of Rondo’s performance in the Finals last year is that he worked his tail off. I remember triple doubles and Rondo as one of the few bright spots in what was generally a pretty laid back bunch of guys. I remember that it was Paul who seemed to take the first 3 quarters off in game after game.

Is it Rondo’s fault that he got stuck in traffic? Stuff happens. And yeah, the kid has a personality… which, btw, makes him play his heart out most of the time and drives him to get better and better. I wish this article hadn’t been written. If you want to turn somebody off, keep harping on his psychology in public. I think the kid’s right… if this team loses Rondo, they will regret it.

by DRJ1 on Oct 24, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Is it Rondo’s fault that he got stuck in traffic?"

I don’t know… how many of his other teammates were late for playoff games? No others were reported to have been, and Danny Ainge said he had a problem with it.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 24, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's put it this way...

I’ve never been late to an important client meeting. Also, if I was the only one of 30+ people late to that meeting, I think most people would be a little skeptical of the “traffic” excuse.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 24, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Congratulations on your driving success

 It happens at times where I work (where there are enough traffic issues that people realize it’s not just an excuse).

by BballTim on Oct 24, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said...

… if you were the only one who showed up late for something really important, I’m sure your boss’ reaction would be “maybe you should have left a little earlier”. It’s a little silly to assume perfect traffic, especially when headed to the Garden for a playoff game.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 24, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

  I’d say there’s a little difference between assuming perfect traffic and ""a wall of unexpected traffic."

  By the way, I don’t have insider. Can someone who does let me know what it says about the other playoff game against the Magic he was late for and what his excuse was?

by BballTim on Oct 24, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on, it's Boston...

If you don’t expect and plan for traffic — especially prior to a second round playoff game — you’re a complete dolt.

Somehow, his teammates managed to show up on time. It’s not the biggest deal in the world, but it cracks me up that people make such excuses for something that was clearly inexcusable.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 24, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I know all about Boston Traffic

  But, seriously, do you think that someone as OCD as Rondo, with so many rituals in his life, who’s as concerned as he is about how something like being late would affect his play, would be late for a game if he could possibly help it? Knowing someone like that I highly doubt it.

by BballTim on Oct 24, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course he could have helped it...

Every other player on the team managed to. It’s not like he was kidnapped.

Also, it wasn’t the first time he was late last season.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 24, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok Roy

  I guess the prudent thing to do would have been to suspend him for the remainder of the series. You’re acting like he showed up in the middle of the second quarter. I don’t think that getting to the arena an extra hour or so early every game in case you hit serious traffic once in a season makes sense, but that’s just me.

by BballTim on Oct 24, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

You’re getting ready for a huge game and you look across the locker room after you’ve already shot around and your starting point guard isn’t at his locker? Screws up the focus of the team and the focus of the player in question.

Also, reports of spicy food and a slow start before another game.

I don’t get why people are choosing to take the side of the person who did the inexcusable.

by jdpapa3 on Oct 24, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Inexcusable compared to what?

  People act like this is the worst thing they’ve ever heard of. It’s not like he was watching tv or playing xbox and didn’t show up for the game.

by BballTim on Oct 24, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just curious about something, Roy

  You’ve never been late to an important meeting. But how early are you for those meetings? Half an hour? An hour? Longer?

   Also, how heavy is the traffic that you drive in? Do you ever experience traffic jams? If so, how bad are they? I have a 40-50 minute commute that can take over 2 hours on bad days. I used to live closer to Boston where my drive to school varied from 12 minutes to 60+ based on the time of day but could get much worse if there was an accident (ever get out of your car to stretch your legs when you’re on a highway?). But I’ve also lived in places where it was unusual to have more than 10 minutes of variation on a 30 minute drive. If I’d only lived there I’d be less inclined to buy the “traffic” excuse.

by BballTim on Oct 24, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I drive in Philly / NYC / North Jersey traffic all the time...

For important meetings, I try to leave myself at least an hour leeway, and sometimes more. I also always check the traffic report. If I show up really early, I go to a nearby coffee shop, or I sit in my car and gather my things.

For less important appointments, if I’m running late due to traffic I make a call on my cell phone, which Rondo also apparently didn’t do.

I just find it suspicious that all of Rondo’s teammates, the entire Celtics coaching staff, and the entire Orlando team could show up on time, but Rondo couldn’t.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 24, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's pretty impressive.

  Seriously. Luckily for me engineers are generally more casual about arrival times than lawyers. As for Rondo, I didn’t read anywhere that he never called the team and alerted them that he would be late, which is a much larger transgression IMO. As for Rondo being the only one late, that doesn’t amaze me. I can go to work a few different ways, either Rte 128 or the Pike or even back roads all the way. Some of the guys have to go on 128 and have to be on it longer than I am. When it gets really bad they’re screwed but I get home 15-20 minutes later than usual.

by BballTim on Oct 24, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m never late. For anything. EVER. It’s an issue of personal responsibility.

by CoachBo on Oct 24, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I THINK THE POINT IS ...

that in the past he has been criticized for showing up just in time and never gets to games a minute early so not to socialize with team mates. He really is not bonding well with his team. The team would be called the big 4 if he would make the effort

by ForexPirate on Oct 25, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me neither.

Except for when there’s traffic.

by markgent on Oct 25, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think getting along with people, like his teammates,

is the, or even a, primary problem. Even if he was alone in a space capsule, the main issues would be right there: between his ears.

I really like Ragin’, but the criticisms in the article (excerpts) are justified, IMHO. Give him a max deal, and he could turn bad. It’s a genuine GM issue, but all that having been said, I have no doubts that he’ll play his best all year, if only to prove himself right.

"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark

by Eeyore III on Oct 24, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As DRJ1 wrote before me being late because of the traffic is not his fault. Especially since he left his own house at the normal time.

Doc was halfway through his pregame talk when Rondo arrived. His routine in shambles, so too was his first half. He missed his first six shots as the Magic built an 18 point halftime lead. Rivers lit into him at the break, and rondo nearly finished with a triple-double. But the Celtics lost the game, homecourt advantage and, maybe, the series – all because Rondo was late.

This is just pure crap. The guy scores nearly a triple double and the loss is his fault. Yeah, right. Not the exhausted PP’s or RA’s or the lack of players, most notably KG, no it’s the guy with the triple double. Blame him.
And from what I know about Rondo’s shooting he could have arrived in time and still miss the first six shots.

“If I part with the Celtics, they’ll realize what they passed on,”

Unfortunately this is true. Rondo is not just a very talented player but one who works very hard and shows constant development every year so far. Plus he’s the future foundation, or one of it, of the post big 3 Celtics. Currently without a proper backup.
Maybe he’s stubborn but nobody’s perfect. My advice would be to leave him alone or else he’ll leave. He’ll get plenty offers from other teams no doubt about it.

by dexter11 on Oct 24, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow

I thought the biggest quote was :

“This isn’t a Rondo issue, it’s a young player-chasing a contract, celebrity and endorsements issue. What he can’t forget is the basketball chase.”

HUGE RED FLAGS there. Man.

And to dexter: are we sure he works very hard? His jumpshooting was worse in his 3rd year than his second year and it seems he picked up his first weight this offseason: in a contract year.

by jdpapa3 on Oct 24, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well he started to make triple-doubles. They don’t just come, one has to work extremely hard to make even one. And Rondo averaged a triple-double in the playoffs.
Maybe his jump shooting was down because last season he started to make layups (not sure this is the right word I’m not a native English speaker) and dunks which he often passed out even in 100% opportunities before.
In this summer he worked on his jumpshot with Mark Price. And the weight gaining is all muscle. If you watch this video you can see it for yourself. I’ve read an interview, which I can’t find now of course, somewhere that his bodyfat is better than ever.

by dexter11 on Oct 24, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this helps shed some light

Rondo said something before like “If the Celtics want me, I’m here” about his contract situation. It sounded really positive at the time, but now it seems like he wasn’t sure whether they really wanted him or not.

but to me, Danny and Doc seem as committed to Rondo as anyone. This stuff wouldn’t be coming out if they didn’t believe in him. If they didn’t think he could mature, they’d hide all the bad stuff and trade him for as much as possible.

Of course, what they want is what’s best for the Celtics. Could he go somewhere else and we’d miss out? Yes. But we want a point guard with fantastic skills with consistency that comes from maturity and good leadership. In this case, what’s best for the Celtics is what’s best for Rondo as well.

by scurvmeister on Oct 24, 2009 5:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One thing that's important from the article...

… is that Rondo seems to want to be a Celtic. The article said that much of his house is decorated with a Celtics / championship theme. If nothing else, that’s a good thing.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 24, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that is a good thing

I honestly believe that Rondo will become the best player he can be if he stays with the Celtics. Danny cares about him. Doc cares about him. At this point, they’ve earned the right to speak into his life, and I think he knows that, judging from some of the penitent comments about how he needs to improve.

If he leaves/is allowed to leave, and his new coach realizes he’s immature and tries to change him, he could just shut down completely. Either that, or they’ll walk on eggshells around him and he’ll develop only up to what his maturity level will allow.

everyone on the Celtics is pulling for him. I think he knows what he needs to do.

by scurvmeister on Oct 24, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sick of the rondo criticizm
Sick of Doc and or danny making it public
Sick of Celtics fans constant bickering about rondo
Sick of hearing his teammates dont like playing with him, when every single one of them heaps praise upon him publically
sick of him getting called immature, and then a blogpost with KG blasting reporters and insulting them, or KG grabbing hus junk on the sideline during the playoffs, or how he dissapeared off the face of the earth as a leader when he was injured, yet he gets let off the hook
sick of hearing about rondos inconsistenty, every NBA player has ups and downs, and I found Pierce and Allen to be equally as insonsistent last season
sick of his work ethic coming into question, and a fan above tops it off with saying it looks like this was the first offseason rondo hit the weights…really?

We dont deserve rondo, and will more then likely lose him because of the immature way the team has handled it and put it in the headlines..a sad day that will be

by latin on Oct 24, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"... and a fan above tops it off with saying it looks like this was the first offseason rondo hit the weights…really?"

 Well, that’s what the article says, anyway. It said he was worried that weight training would make him slower.

As for the rest, could it be that you’re a teeny bit biased in favor of Rondo? You’re basically pushing a ton of legitimate criticism to the side, saying it doesn’t matter. At the same time, you ignore his inconsistency in terms of his performance; he failed to score in double digits in just about half his games last year. He’s not a superstar yet, and if he doesn’t get his attitude right, he’ll never be one.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 24, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im admittedly Rondo biased…and I dont feel the way any of this been handled is neccesary

“He’s not a superstar yet, and if he doesn’t get his attitude right, he’ll never be one.”

Really? because all superstars got their attitudes in check, right?

by latin on Oct 24, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many legitimate superstars...

1) Have their work ethic / effort questioned by their coach / GM?

2) Have their maturity questioned by their coach / GM?

3) Don’t get along with (or are “hated” by) their teammates?

4) Have the second worst eFG% on jumpers among starters at their position?

5) Have the worst FG% of any qualifying PG in the entire NBA?

6) Fail to score in double figures in nearly 50% of their games?

Obviously, if you fixate on negatives, Rondo doesn’t appear to be that special of a player. That’s not fair, but I also don’t think it’s terribly fair to focus solely on the positives.

At one point, Starbury put up scoring / assist numbers rivaled only by Oscar Robertson. That’s a great example that attitude does, in fact, matter.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 24, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm so sick of this...

I sometimes wonder what it would be like to take Paul Pierce as a rookie and place him on this team when Rondo started his career. I love Paul Pierce, but those that have watched his career would admit that he wasn’t always appreciated in the way he is now. Those same people would tell you that the guy, at times, seemed to be an egotistical nightmare. He got it in check and he matured. I think some of the things being said about Rondo are important, but let’s consider his age, and most importantly his rate of growth. I can weather a little egotism to them see a matured veteran in Rondo.
One thing I am so sick of is hearing about his jumper FG%. The guy averages a triple-double in the playoffs in his 3rd year and people pick him apart. Give me a break. I personally wish Doc and Danny would shut up and deal with him personally.

by B-ball on Oct 24, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A few things:

1) He didn’t average a triple double in the playoffs;

2) Triple doubles don’t win games (especially when you’re fighting your center for rebounds rather than getting out on the break);

3) If Rondo had a better jumper, it would open up things both for him and his teammates. Doc has said this, and really, it’s common sense;

4) What’s more indicative of Rondo’s talent level, his play in the first several games of the Chicago series, or his play over the course of the year (when he was wildly inconsistent)?

Let’s not pretend the kid is perfect.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 24, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get serious

  How many of Rondo’s rebounds came when he was fighting with Perk for the ball? I’d say he took more of them from Dwight Howard. And aren’t you splitting hairs? He averaged 9.8 assists and 9.7 boards. And he wasn’t wildly inconsistent last year. He wasn’t really any more inconsistent in the playoffs than Paul or Ray.

by BballTim on Oct 24, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think anyone is pretending the kid is perfect

quite the contrary. A lot of the comments in defense of Rondo all concede that he’s a flawed player and needs to improve in a lot of different areas.

BUT I don’t see the need to fixate on the negatives, let’s not take away from what he provides to this team by playing down what he’s a accomplished.

It seems as if people are more determined to tear him down than to give him time to develop more.

Furthermore, I think “wildly inconsistent” is a serious dramatization. There were times where he could’ve played better – we know that, management knows that, he knows that.

But at the same time, look at his year-to-year stats. He has consistently improved in his numbers every year – he is getting better and he will continue to do so.

Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!

by RJ87 on Oct 24, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It depends on the numbers...

As mentioned, his jump shooting has actually gotten worse, and his free throw shooting is worse than his rookie season.

As for wildly inconsistent, in 18 games he had five points or less; in 36 games, he was below double digits. In 13 games, he had single digit points, and six or fewer assists. In other words, 1/6 of the time our starting point guard has a game where he has almost no positive offensive impact (and potentially, a negative one).

To me, that’s wildly inconsistent, and is not in line with a player who is currently elite. Rondo has that potential, but he simply doesn’t have the consistency yet.

To me, that’s wildly inconsistent.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 24, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lame

you (and the article) place FAR too much blame on Rondo’s various shortcomings. As if he alone is why they did not win a second consecutive NBA championship. Ridiculous. Lets don’t rewrite history, folks. There is no way that Bucher can justify the “all because Rondo was late.” cheap shot.

I’m scratching my head trying to remember Rondo ever fighting with Perk over a rebound.

Nobody is pretending the kid is perfect. Every single one of the Celtics are human and flawed. The article, and your post here are nit picking.

I think the thing that is most bothersome is that the focus and criticism here is ultimately not constructive. Character issues are never resolved in the public – usually because public impressions of character are invariably 150% wrong.

A writer can compose an illustration of anyone, and I mean anyone, whether it is a young, immature pro athlete or Mother Teresa and under the proper magnification you will see nothing but blemishes. The blemishes may be facts, but by themselves hardly paint the truth.

Give it a rest.

by mmmmm on Oct 24, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol, I was just thinking the same thing!

In regards to your comment on constructive criticism.

There’s a difference between constructive criticism and putting down, unfortunately what is currently going on falls into the latter category – and that’s why fans are taking such issue with it.

Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!

by RJ87 on Oct 24, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why do fans need to be "constructive"?

Maybe Danny and Doc should be less candid with the media, but once a story is out there, fans can talk about it. I don’t think they have any duty to temper their criticism, or be anything other than objective.

Everyone is acknowledging that Rondo is a very good player. However, those criticizing him are acknowledging his very real flaws, rather than sugar-coating them.

I don’t even know how you go about constructively criticizing a third party; isn’t that something you usually do when you’re talking to somebody directly, and want to help them improve, without tearing them down? How are fans ever going to help Rondo improve?

I think how fans view Rondo is just another repeat of the Marcus Banks / Gerald Green / Antoine Walker / Powe vs. Baby / Paul Pierce debates. Fans will see what they want to see, one way or the other. It doesn’t matter how many times the media, Doc, or Danny say something, people will believe as they choose.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 24, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, actually fans take issue with any criticism of their favoirte player – as is replayed on this board ad nauseum. Why else do you still see “Sign Gerald Green” or “TA’s breakout year” threads? Evidence – mountains of it in some cases – doesn’t sway people who view the game through the narrow prism of their favorite player.

There isn’t a coach in the country who would view Rondo as anything more than a talent who still has significant flaws in his game, demenaor being among them.

There also isn’t a coach in the country who wouldn’t try various methods to get him to address those flaws. Generally, public criticism is one of the last methods you use.

There’s an awful lot of “seeing what you want to see” with Rondo. It’s about the direction your perspective comes from.

Mine’s always going to come from the bench first, with fandom down the line. So I concur – entirely – with the way Ainge and Rivers are trying to address the flaws.

by CoachBo on Oct 24, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's true, Bo...

The article in question — which some have admitted that they have no intent to read — says that the team has been addressing several of the same issues with Rondo since his rookie season. My guess is that this is a last resort.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 24, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are a lot of ways to view the process that’s played itself out, and been documented in several media sources – despite the ongoing attempts here to ignore that same process.

From where I sit, fans of Rondo and the Celtics should take very seriously the fact that his development has been taken public. I, too, view it as a last resort, a sort of probationary warning before a contract that the ballclub wants the issues addressed.

Or else.

by CoachBo on Oct 24, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can only speak for m'self but

Rondo is definitely not my favorite player.

I only take issue with armchair psychology and annoying over-simplifications of a larger story. Artificial reductions such as ‘all because Rondo was late.’.

As I said before – this article is a classic case of focusing the magnifier so close all you see are the pockmarks in the complexion.

I don’t really see a lot of value in it.

To Roy – sure, fans can criticize whatever they want and you are right: It doesn’t HAVE to be constructive. But at least maybe in stating that point you are admitting that maybe this public dialogue on Rondo’s inner soul isn’t constructive.

Hell, all I’m offering here is my (hopefully constructive) criticism of Bucher’s article. I see it as flawed ‘journalism’.

by mmmmm on Oct 25, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whos your favorite player, or even better…celtic? should we dig up some dirt on them? can we talk about flaws and weaknesses in there games? because a flawless, perfectly mature players dont exist in the NBA

by latin on Oct 25, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plenty of legetimate superstars have issues when they're younger

  Kobe was seen as a headcase, Payton was shopped after a year or two in the league (without takers), Jason Kidd was traded because he couldn’t get along with his teammates. The Celts tried to unload Pierce after his behavior in a playoff series. That’s off the top of my head.

  By the way, Rondo was 2nd in FG%, not last. Many people realize that Rondo not scoring in double figures all the time isn’t a fault.

by BballTim on Oct 24, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FT%, not FG%

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 24, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never heard anyone questioning his work ethic. His attitude and\or maturity yes, his effort he puts in a game sometimes yes, but never his work ethic.
IIRC he was invited to Perk’s wedding while the most of the team wasn’t, correct me if I’m wrong. So at least he can get along with somebody in the team. How do you know he’s hated? Or ever was? The only thing I remember about this is the Doc quote when he asked Rondo “Do you know your teammates hate playing with you?”. I have friends I like but don’t like to do some things with them.
Bad FG%, FT%. yes he’s a bad shooter. But he’s not here for scoring. There are enough scorers on this team already. But yes the Cs missed a lot of his shooting in the Orlando series last season.
If you watched the preseason games you saw already more jumpshots from him then probably ever before. So he’s trying at least.

by dexter11 on Oct 24, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Manny

Different sport, different person. There are examples of jerks doing well in spite of their immaturity and me first attitude.

I was happy to see Manny go. I would not be happy to see Rondo go, but I definitely would like to see him mature. He is fun to watch, and could really be amazing.

by VtCeltics on Oct 24, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

THAT is it!!!!

Ive had it with Rondo/Shpondo…..He is completely irrelevant now….trade him for a bag of chips, save the capspace and lets dress Tyron lue…yup, that is what the C’s should do

Maybe if he is not with the C’s, then we won’t be reading anymore articles re him…

Who should we call out next….hmmm

"No I’m not KG. Not at all, but I’m Big Baby Glen Davis from LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I’m not the Big Ticket. I’m the Ticket Stub. Don’t count the Ticket Stub out. You might need the ticket to get in the game, but you leave with the ticket stub, because you’ll never forget this game."

by bopna on Oct 24, 2009 5:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

um

No one is saying to do that stuff…we are just concerned that a guy who has max contract talent is doing/saying some things that aren’t so promising.

We obviously just need him to stay healthy this season and be the player that he has been the last 2 seasons. Even if the behavior issues continue, it will still be a very tough call on whether or not to match the offer that some other team will give him.

by jdpapa3 on Oct 24, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rondo`s personality is a big problem, IMO. Anyone who watches him play can see that his head isn`t in the game all the time…

Playing like an allstar one day and like a 3rd string PG the next just doesn`t cut it…he needs to be more consistent and mature but I am worried that he has deeper psychological issues that won`t just go away…

I am reluctant to sign him to a big extension at this point. You can`t give 10 million per year to a guy who can`t make a jumper to save his life and only plays at a high level 50% of the time…

by thebirdman on Oct 24, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes you can...

…and you should. Why? Because with all his so called faults he’s still one of the best point guards in the world! And if you don’t, someone else will. The Knicks would love him! What would Portland do for him? Think of what he could do for the Blazers with all there young talent!

by Little D on Oct 24, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, this is off-topic, but do you guys want to join a sim league?

Sign up here: http://sigsports.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=33674&st=0

Get an account and tell me what team you want and your account name. You won’t be able to post until the Admin approves you, which might take a couple hours, but it should be fine.

You will be the GM of an NBA team and you can make trades, sign free agents, make claims (you can learn about that later), and many other things. There will even by stats for every team and player. Once the we get enough GMs, the Admin will approve the Sim League and it can begin.

by KGMN on Oct 24, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rondo's personality is NOT going to change...

..people don’t “change” they adjust to their environment based on their core values and how they prioritize things relative to the effect their core personality has on realizing their goals…

Rondo is NEVER, EVER, EVER going to be the fun-loving, extroverted, quote-a-minute guy that some of his teammates are. He will always be introspective, downstated, and lacking a true understanding of how his in-the-moment actions and words are felt and heard by others.

What we can expect from Rondo in the future is a better self-evaluation which will lead to less repeating of past mistakes in these situations – he may or may not care personally, but professionally he clearly wants to be a great player and doesn’t seem to be beyond taking advice when it comes to gaining trust and acceptance from his teammates.

I would never make Rondo the front man of any team however – even if he is the best player sometime in the future he should never be the lead personality – he will need a relaxed, charismatic, confident star next to him – somebody the media can go to for answers – Rondo is not the guy to put the screws to, he will only become more disliked the harder he is pressed to be that lead personality for the public.

I think you can absolutely build a team around him, despite his stubborn nature it is quite clear that he has high personal standards and wants to be the best – however, he is young and has trouble prioritizing what he should be doing in what order – it is further exacerbated by his constant questioning and reluctance to take things at face value.

Overall, his demeanor should make him slightly slower to develop out of his bad habits and weak points – case in point, his shooting, which he CLEARLY did not work on last off-season, favoring his finishing skills instead.

But eventually he’ll get there and he’s very young and very good already, so making the investment is likely a no-brainer for Ainge…however, Ainge isn’t a fool – he’ll let Rondo’s play and the market set his value before simply giving in.

I don’t get worried about all this drama – some players are more difficult than others – nothing I see from Rondo indicates he’ll be anything more than a slightly higher maintenance star – nothing wrong with work ethic and competitiveness, just lacking social skills.

by BillfromBoston on Oct 24, 2009 6:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rarely do I agree with you, Bill, but in this case I concur entirely.

Rondo is being coached up now. His performance this season – and not the esteem in which his fans hold him – will set his market price and there’s just no reason not to let the market do that.

by CoachBo on Oct 24, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Points Bill

I think a lot of what you just said could apply to Paul Pierce as well. Remember how hard it was for him when Walker left. He couldn’t handle being the “front man”. Even now he is better off sharing the spotlight with KG. Paul’s best leading is done while playing. I think the same might be true for Rondo. That’s their personalities.

by VtCeltics on Oct 24, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leon Powe

It’s discussions like these that make me long for the heated debates about Leon. Of course that would kill Master Po, but that might be an acceptable alternative.

by amenhotep04 on Oct 24, 2009 6:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If he doesn't sign extension now,

he will not be in this team in a year from now. With his tremendous talent, even without a consistent jumper, I assume there will be at least few GM who will be able to give him a contract he wants. So what that Danny can match any offer, think about Rondo’s willingness to play for Boston Celtics after being continuously put down in the offseason by management and some C’s fans (even on this blog) in spite of the fact that he was definitely the best player of BOston in bygone playoffs. This whole situation with him is quite ridiculous for me.

by Sebal on Oct 24, 2009 6:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ditto.

Way too many head games being played here.

Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!

by RJ87 on Oct 24, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how fun

We have people blaming Danny for a result that they are fabricating.

by jdpapa3 on Oct 24, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wahoo...

We’re looking at another 100+ comment article. It’s funny what happens when somebody legitimately criticizes one of our more beloved players. I’d hate to see what would happen if he was unfairly attacked. ;-)

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 24, 2009 6:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm reaching the limit on the Rondo drama.

I think he’s a great player, of course he’s got faults – everyone does… But as I’ve said before, I think a lot of the issues with him is the lack of proper management of the situation by Celtcs brass.

Too many mixed messages coming from the top. The last article about him calling the player meeting was pretty much evidence of that – Rondo was called a team meeting and the vets had some issue with the result. First and foremost, they keep saying they want Rondo to be a leader. But what it sounds like is they they want Rondo to be a leader – as long as he defers to the Big Three. Thats a huge problem. Also, Doc’s immediate reaction to him calling it. Before it even started, the coach is saying "Its gonna be a terrible meeting." Regardless of Doc’s personal experience with player meetings, don’t doom the kid the minute he tries to assert himself – which is what you claim to have wanted in the first place. Now, I’m not saying Doc should have patted him on the back and gave him a gold star, but let the meeting play out before you write it off as a negative.

Beyond that, there’s the whole back & forth of Rondo’s worth to the Celts. First the put him in trade talks and publicly criticize him, the next minute they’re singing his praises and calling him the future of the franchise. Make up your mind. Again, how can you expect a guy to be a leader when he’s not sure of his place in the team? Is he expendable or is the future of the franchise?

Just seems like Rondo can’t win for losing….

Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!

by RJ87 on Oct 24, 2009 6:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just wanted to add:

one quote from this piece that really concerns me:

“But the Celtics lost the game, homecourt advantage and, maybe, the series – all because Rondo was late.”

To put what happened against the magic all on Rondo – or any one player – is absolutely ridiculous. I’m really hoping that statement is more of a reflection on the writer’s feelings and not any statement on where management stands in regards to last year’s playoff run. If anything, Rondo stepping up in the absence of KG helped keep us in the first round – but no single player can win or lose a championship by themselves. If that was possible, LBJ would’ve brought a championship to Cleveland by now.

Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!

by RJ87 on Oct 24, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I do agree...

Rondo may not have been at his best in that game, but it’s tough to pin everything on any one player.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 24, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But that's the funny thing...

… he still finished with a triple-double that game, despite the slow start.

The more and more that I hear of the situation, the more I feel bad for Rondo. I don’t have many concerns over what he does or doesn’t do, he’s only 23 and his stats have consistently increased since coming into the league – he works in the offseason to get better and he’s got a tremendous amount of upside. Yet, all the media, fans, and management can focus on are the negatives. Its got to be emotionally draining for him – as it would be for anyone.

I’m seriously starting to doubt his future as a Celtic – especially if an extension isn’t reached before the deadline. He said he wants to go where he’s wanted, Celtics brass are making it more and more difficult to believe they really do want him…

Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!

by RJ87 on Oct 24, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Doc said the same thing; if we win, it’s because of the Big 3, if we lose it’s because of somebody outside the Big 3 (usually Rondo).

by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Oct 24, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post RJ, and I agree with it
Ive reached the limit with it, and I find it embarrassing that his teammates sing his praises publically, but obviously not so much behind closed doors (unless this is really completely blown out of proportion)
same with doc and danny, one minute theyre publically criticizing him, the next hes a celtics forever…its a joke

by latin on Oct 25, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Writer Looking To Keep Job

I haven’t read the article and don’t want to. Overscrutinization seems to be the object of the day for writers. Where did the writer get the tape recorder from. Do we care if Rondo doesn’t smile or tie his shoelaces or gets stuck in a traffic jam once. I live near Boston and know about gridlock. Rondo is a young player looking to find his place in the NBA. “Unfortunately” he had the misfortune to have been acquired by Danny Ainge and ended up with a great team of veterans. He has had the misfortune to be able to learn to play the game the right way with input from veterans and a coach who played that position quite well. In post game interviews with KG and Pierce I’ve never heard them say that Rondo lost the game for us. It’s usually the opposite. Ray Allen has said we are all responsible to each other and if someone makes a mistake, whoever it is, his teammates have the obligation to call it to his attention. The writer is not in the locker room or on the bench.

Paul Pierce had the “fortune” of coming to a team that was going nowhere. He had the opportunity to play his own game and find out what he was capable of. He didn’t need to be overconcerned about his fit with the team. Rondo is playing for a championship contender and his place in relation to the team game is more important. He needs to learn individual skills while playing as part of a total unit. And he is in the process of learning and maturing.

As to Rondo’s relationship to Coach and Teammates: I’ve seen pictures of Rondo and Doc going at each other in practice. I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing. Remember back to Doc’s first year as Coach where he and Pierce went at it in public, on the bench, during the game. And Pierce said that was a small part of the arguments they had. Now look at their relationship.

I’m tired of hearing people from outside talk about Rondo. Let him grow and mature. He’s really not that bad of a player. And if stuff is going on between Rondo and Coach and Teammates that’s part of the game. These guys are like brothers. They are together for a long period of time during the year. How many of us hang out with the people we work with. Enough is enough.

"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn

by TrueGreen on Oct 24, 2009 6:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have said this already but to repeat, Bucher says this meeting he quotes took place after this year

WE ALL KNOW a meeting with the same quotes took place 30 months ago! But Bucher doesn’t mention that, Anyone who at least isn’t questioning that this article may well be another example of a currupt writer is being naive. At the best, imho, Bucher incorrectly put together differeint pieces of info

I am not a huge Rondo fan. I can see he has been very flawed with effort, staying in front on d, his jumper is awful and he’s making TOO SLOW improvement at the ft line. I am just saying this article may well come out as manufactured

by wahz on Oct 24, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Enough with the That's Enough of This comments

the topic is relevant and important

the controversy is real

the concern is valid

its not the end of the world but it is very much a topic of conversation

if you want to cover your ears and pretend not to hear it, be my guest but it won’t stop us from writing about it

sorry, end rant

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Oct 24, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

by the way

take with a grain of salt

you are not “forbidden” to say “enough with this” or anything

(I sometimes have to clarify these things)

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Oct 24, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Enough with these "Enough with the 'That's Enough of This' comments" comments

;-)

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 24, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

CelticsHub article on ...you guessed it - Rondo

“Remember: The Market for Rondo May Not Be As Big As You Think”

http://celticshub.com/2009/10/24/remember-the-market-for-rondo-may-not-be-as-big-as-you-think/

he makes the case that the Celtics still have a great shot at keeping Rondo

“So I’ll say it again: Rondo will be back in Boston if the Celtics want him.”

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Oct 24, 2009 7:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Folks are discussing this same issue in the forums

Link: http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=32475.msg597852

I think more teams than just NY and Miami will pursue him, although it’s obviously impossible to predict who it will be yet. However, the ultimate conclusion is of course true: if the Celtics want Rondo, we can keep him here, at the very least through the end of next season.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 24, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hard to say

  I wouldn’t rule out the Clippers because they love Davis, or the Kings (Udrih). The scary one is the Cavs. If they don’t win it all and they can’t get Wade or Bosh they’ll definitely try something (like they always do). They’d be improving their team and dealing a big blow to ours. I’d think about it if I were them.

by BballTim on Oct 24, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Watch Rondo In The Next Thread (YouTube/Eddie House)

He sure seems a part of things to me. And not only can Kendrick Perkins laugh, he was almost on the floor.

"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn

by TrueGreen on Oct 24, 2009 7:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I saw that too, Perk can SMILE haha

but I try to remember, that what we (the public) sees, can be entirely different than what really goes on.

Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!

by RJ87 on Oct 24, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but

I’m pretty sure that video is from a year ago…after they won championship

by jdpapa3 on Oct 24, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rondo Staying With Celtics

Some players are a perfect fit for a team. Rondo is a pass first point guard playing with great players. He benefits from staying here. Most NBA point guards that are looked at as good players are shoot first. Rondo needs good players around him to be successful. (Probably can be said of most players). But Rondo is not a LeBron James type who will have the ball in his hands most of the time and never let go of it. Don’t know where I’m heading, but can you see Rondo playing for NY Knicks? (Don’t know what the Nets will be called when they go to Brooklyn). But maybe this would make a good topic to get us off Rondo. What should we call the Nets?

Oh yes. Rondo isn’t a shrinking violet. Look what he’s accomplished in 3 years here with all the problems that suppposedly surround him. Then look at all the other pg’s that have passed thru in the time Rondo has been here.

"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn

by TrueGreen on Oct 24, 2009 7:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

get it, got it, good

Here’s hoping he does indeed “get it”…The not yet “got it” guy is good…The “got it” guy could be great

by redzdeadbabyredzdead on Oct 24, 2009 8:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

being obsessive, being stubborn and all the rest is also what makes rondo great. he’s a whole package and we take him for what he is- he’s not a happy talk, say what you want to hear guy. he’s reserved- cool on the outside, hot in the middle. i hope we sign him and i don’t care if he measures up to chris paul or not. he’s a heckuva point guard and the best we’ve had in a long while and we do have a banner with him being an important part. and who wouldn’t have a hard time being a young guy with all the old pros and egos around? and also who wouldn’t love to be around the old pros with their hall of fame skills and attitudes?

by nazzbo on Oct 24, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pretty good management by Danny and Doc

So the kid comes with a pile of talent and a pile of other things. So did Zach Randolph, so did Jason Kidd, so did Tracy McGrady, Allan Iverson. And on and on. Remember you are talking about a lot of young men who grew up without fathers, in mean neighborhoods, who were told they were great from age 13 on. Do you expect Tim Duncans or Shawn Kemps? Better plan on avoiding Shawn Kemps and not getting Tim Duncans and manage to complete the rest of the young men you do get because they will be incomplete. You don’t see Doc and Danny leaving it to Pierce, KG etc. They are on it as managers and as men should be and Rondo is lucky to have them on his case.
Doc and Danny certainly don’t want to lose him but if they can’t complete him I trust they will make the right long term decision.

by Wildblu1 on Oct 24, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it took me a moment

but I think I got it…Our PG is young and has a type A personality….talk about scoops…

by Fastbreak1 on Oct 24, 2009 9:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

great thread

 It reminds me of the old Paul Pierce debates.

Complicated or simple? It depends on who’s post you read.

by tenaciousT on Oct 24, 2009 9:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I love reading about Rondo, but the comments here...

Alright, this might sound a bit weird but I’m going to try to put this to words as best I can.

Rondo is a classic “electrifying” player. He has some ‘sick’ moves, insane ball handling skills and great court vision. I think we can all agree on this. His assists are as awesome as his anklebreakers and dunks.

The thing is though, when I read articles like this, I kinda enjoy having him on the C’s even more. He’s an ‘outsider’, somehow. He’s different. A bit like how Ray is different. I love to hear what other people that are close to him think about him, what they talk about with him and how they try to explain what kind of person is to others.

… but when I start reading the comments, most of them are speculations on how Rondo came to be. People talking about what they heard others say about him and drawing conclusions.

Now, that (of course) isn’t a bad thing, but some of the arguments that come out, they’re weird, since we don’t know the full story…

That said, I’m really curious about what Rondo really thinks. He seems rather introverted, as if he’s keeping a lot of really big stuff to himself. Even though this is speculation as well, I think we can all agree that we’re not grasping the entire story, and that’s kind of what makes this interesting.

Let’s just hope this season will show us he’s a winner.

- Dirk 'DaarisDirk' van Boxtel

by Kiorrik on Oct 25, 2009 7:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tommy Has The Final Word

From: http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2009/10/deleted_scenes_with_tommy_and.html

ON RAJON RONDO:
(The precocious point guard recently found himself in the midst of mini-controversy after some pointed but hardly harsh comments from coach Doc Rivers were misinterpreted by ESPN basketball writer Chad Ford, who tweeted: ‘‘Doc Rivers does ANOTHER hit job on Rajon Rondo. What the heck is going on in Boston?")

Heinsohn: "[The perception that Rivers has an issue with Rondo is] ridiculous. Doc’s not knocking the kid, he’s an ex-point guard trying to get the best out of him. Rondo has terrific confidence, he’s 23 years old, he has Hall of Fame potential. So what if he doesn’t have a 3-point shot. He has a terrific basketball mind. He’s the best athlete on the team. Making a big deal [out of Rivers’s comments] is just talk-show stuff, something to flap about. Rondo’s the closest thing the Celtics have had since [Bob] Cousy. He’s a master of the offense, he’s aggressive, he controls the pace. Without him, this team goes nowhere, all right?

“You write this: ‘Tommy says leave the kid alone!’ "

"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn

by TrueGreen on Oct 25, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Growing up

Rondo is growing up as fast as time will allow. There is nothing anyone can do to “grow up” quicker. Nature has to take care of that. Rondo is supremely talented and very intelligent. Hudson is more “grown up” simply because he has lived longer, Would you wish to have Hudson start and Rondo come off the bench? Of course not. Just because you want someone to “grow up” or mature does not make it so. Ask any mother, LOL. Rondo will be just fine if people stop insulting him by telling him how immature he is. He is doing as well as he can, and better than we have any right to expect. It was good enough for one championship, close to two, and hopefully many more for the Green.

by thirstyboots18 on Oct 25, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs


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