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The Celtics and Cavaliers Can Help Restore the NBA's Rivalries

We could be coining Paul Pierce and LeBron James as rivals by season's end. (AP Photo/Terry Gilliam)

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We could be coining Paul Pierce and LeBron James as rivals by season's end. (AP Photo/Terry Gilliam)

The tension between the Boston Celtics and the Cleveland Cavaliers bubbled threateningly beneath the surface throughout much of the first half in last Wednesday's preseason finale at Ohio State. A distinct air of dislike between the two squads suspended itself in the air and served as the basis for what ultimately ended up being an unusually competitive and enticing 24 minutes of preseason basketball.

Then, directly after the halftime buzzer blared, Shelden Williams apparently took exception to a Mo Williams elbow and responded by shoving the Cleveland guard to the floor - bursting the tension bubble in the process. Just like a disillusioned tribe from Survivor, these two teams could only hold their frustrations in for so long. In retrospect, it will appropriately go down as nothing more than an isolated incident. Both players were restrained by teammates and the squads proceeded to their locker rooms for halftime.

While the action itself was fortunately not overly malicious, it addressed something of a concern between these two teams. Based on the way Paul Pierce and LeBron James were scowling at one another, the Boston Celtics and Cleveland Cavaliers appear not to like one another all that much. And that's perfectly fine by me.

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Is it fair to say the Celtics and Cavaliers have established a rivalry? Realistically, rivalries are born and raised in the postseason, and seeing as the two teams have really only met in one meaningful playoff series this decade (the 2008 Eastern Conference Semi-Finals), it's tough to label their relationship as a rivalry. Right now, with both squads expected and poised to fight for Eastern Conference supremacy, it is easy to label them as rivals. But realistically, Orlando - Cleveland could count as a rivalry, or Los Angeles (Lakers) - San Antonio or even Orlando - Los Angeles could all fit into the definition as it stands today.

But of all the teams in the league, the Celtics and Cavs have the potential this season to re-write how we define the word 'rivalry'. If last Wednesday, which arguably felt like a regular season game for 24 of the 48 minutes, is any indication, then Tuesday and the other three times these two teams meet this season could be serving as a filling appetizer for the postseason. And out of that competitiveness could potentially come a rivalry.

These days, the NBA seems to want to promote 'healthy' rivalries. They are the ones that involve the league's most substantial teams, but at the same time, those units are expected to uphold specific standards of clean play. There appears to be no more room in the NBA for the ferocious and unrestrained rivalries of the 1980s and early 1990s that epitomized the term "competitive" and helped restore the league to prominence. David Stern appears to want a league cleaner than a Danny Tanner kitchen.

In today's NBA, what we take to be meaningful on the court wars typically result in one team narrowly escaping the other, followed by the players of both teams breaking out in wide toothed grins, dishing out high fives, fist pounds and man hugs. It's as if the last two and a half hours did not actually just occur and for those of us still seething from the heat of battle, it's something of a shot to the gut when we realize that it might not have actually mattered all that much to the players - to the ones actually doing the fighting. Sure, the game itself might be intense, but any discourse or disappointment on either side is expected to be wiped clean the second the final buzzer sounds and the cameras and film teams flood the floor.

This is why such a frenzy occurred after LeBron refused to shake the hands of the Orlando Magic players in last summer's ECF. But in reality, what's wrong with what LeBron did? His team, favored to win the title for much of the playoffs, was just ousted, effectively minimizing LeBron's regular season MVP award, as well as spawning more talks of, "What will it take for LeBron to make it in the playoffs?" Mo Williams just missed roughly every three-pointer he attempted and LeBron is expected to go and chest bump Olympic mate Dwight Howard with glee? LeBron's a competitor and all he did was walk off the court when the buzzer went off. He did not curse out anyone, toss innocent spectators aside or even remove his jersey. He just walked off the floor. Think about how much ridicule was sent his way because of it.

I missed out on the the '80s and early '90s, but from what I've seen of the Celtics - Lakers games on ESPN Classic, when both teams retreated to the locker rooms down the same tunnel and Boston went one way and LA went another, there were no flattering exchanges between the guys. Kevin McHale wasn't high fiving Kurt Rambis in congratulation. Robert Parish was not man hugging Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in elation for Kareem's accomplishment. There was none of that. There were only two teams who really wanted to beat the other and there was a winner and a loser.

The Celtics and Cavaliers can help restore that mindset this season. These two teams appear to legitimately dislike one another. They want to demolish each other. They want to exploit one another. They want to embarrass each other. We want them to scratch, claw, sweat and bleed when they're fighting during the game and we want the scowls and the looks of retribution and revenge on the losing squad's faces when the game is over. There do not and should not be any well wishes or high fives or positive interaction between these two teams when the game ends. The winner should be ecstatic and the loser should be enraged and that should be the end of it. Until the next time they meet.

That same sense of struggle between the two squads is effectively embodied by Pierce and James as individual competitors. There was distaste brewing between these two last Wednesday and it stems for that epic showdown in Game 7 of the ECF two seasons ago, when Pierce proved he was every bit as tenacious as James, especially when the spotlight was on him. The Celtics obviously went on to defeat Kobe Bryant and the Lakers and Pierce enjoyed some long overdue press that summer that highlighted how talented he actually was. But that appreciation died as quickly as it came when last season began and ever since then, Pierce appears to have a vendetta against anyone the league deems superior - especially James. Each meeting with him this year (all will be seen on national television) will serve as an opportunity for Pierce to restate why he should be mentioned along with the best in the business.

This could be a return to the glory days when rivalries actually counted for something and we reveled in the fact that our team was involved in one. It takes what would have ended up being a competitive game regardless, and transforms it into a national event, when promotional commercials are run two weeks prior and the catchy slogans are created. It would give us legitimate reason to really dislike an opposing team and not just because of the name, but because the Cavs will have become a team we want to knock off so badly and when we don't, it tears us apart and eats at us for days and weeks, until the build up of the next meeting overcomes the stinging of the result of the last one.

The tension resides between the two teams, but in my estimation, we're stuck on the fence. Do we jump one way and engage in a hostile rivalry this season, or do we leap the other way and try and make nice and show appreciation for one another? I say we go for hostile, but that does not mean I want violence between the two teams. I'm not promoting fighting or anything associated with it. I'm merely advocating a competitive mindframe between the teams, because I sat entranced Wednesday night, completely enveloped in the action. It was enthralling, captivating and it made me want more of it. And I'd be willing to bet some mutual, non-violent, legitimate competitiveness could be good for the league today.

Maybe the two teams don't even have a choice. Between Pierce, Garnett, Rasheed Wallace, Kendrick Perkins, LeBron, Shaquille O'Neal and Anderson Varejao, the potential is there. The tenacity is there. The personalities for a rivalry are there. Both teams also face distinct pressures this season. For the Celtics, many are saying this season is one of the last chances this group has of winning another title. For the Cavs, LeBron now supposedly has the help he needs to win the ring. So with both teams capable and worthy, who is it going to be? It will take a rivalry to find out.

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Nicely written, Greg...

I can’t wait for tomorrow night. At least for the immediate future, I do see the Cavs as our rivals.

As much as I don’t like the Cavs, though, it’s still a far second to the Lakers.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 26, 2009 9:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Roy

Yeah BOS-CLE is definitely not BOS-LAL, but based on us seeing the Cavs more this season and what not, I think the stage is being set for some pretty epic showdowns.

by Greg Payne on Oct 26, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one more thing

the Cavs are ugly….nice read Greg,,,,

by Fastbreak1 on Oct 26, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Haha ugly is a good word for them. Especially Varejao…

by Greg Payne on Oct 26, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ummmm REALLY???

in the last few seasons, the celtics have signed:
sam cassel
robert swift
shelden williams

that, my friends, is the UGLY TRIFECTA.
and i don’t see sheed winning any beauty pageants either.

i feel weird even thinking about this stuff.

by hooray on Oct 26, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Celtics win Tuesday and and it doesn't mean anything

I think the Cs are more ready as a team having fewer integration issues with the off season moves. The streak of the teams winning at home gets broken, but it won’t be meaningful. It will, however, be a good start to the season.

I would feel better about this being a rivalry if Lebron stays in Cleveland. Otherwise I want him to like us and think we’re his best chance at real success teamwise

by Silverlock on Oct 26, 2009 9:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great piece Greg

While I agree with you that this COULD restore one of the classic NBA rivalries, I just don’t see it happening anymore in the league, no matter who the teams are. The problem is that today’s players have played with each other for years starting in high school, then to AAU.

Another key factor is how they spend their summers now. They all train together at private complexes. Now, so many players have public relations people, marketing people and endoresement people that all seem to interact in one way or another.

The point of all this is that all these factors play into why these guys are all friends with each other in some way form or another throughout the year that did not exist back in the 80’s, early 90’s. I would love it though if this rivalry (along with the Lakers) got nasty.

Besides, there’s too much LeBron/Kobe promotion from all of the major networks for anything nasty to get promoted/elevated. It seems like the major networks/analysts just want a fun, happy-go-lucky Kobe/LeBron rivalry.

by MrTripleDouble10 on Oct 26, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

disagree on the rivalry

The networks would have promotional wet dreams if they had the chance to promote a “bad blood” rivalry between really good teams.

They feasted on it during the 80’s with Celtics/Sixers/Lakers. Then Celtics/Pistons. Then Bulls/Pistons and Bulls/Cavs (to a lesser extent).

They sorely missed it when Jordan became the “supreme being” of the NBA and there weren’t any real rivalries to the Bulls once the championships started rolling in. If the C’s can extend their feud with the Cavs, Orlando and the Lakers another few years, Stern and the networks will be salivating at their promotional goldmine.

by slamtheking on Oct 26, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe prior to the 'Malice at the Palace"

Remember, the Pacers/Pistons were THE rivalry then. After that, it seems as if Stern has sent a subliminal (or directly private) edict to the networks to NOT promote this type of thing.

by MrTripleDouble10 on Oct 26, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great points

It’s all so true. It’s almost a shame, in my opinion. I’m all for a unified league and what not, but I just don’t want the competitiveness to be hindered by everyone being buddy buddy.

I’m not even sure BOS-CLE is a classic rivalry by any means, but I do believe it’s the closest thing out there that will remind us of the older, more intense rivalries the league used to feature.

by Greg Payne on Oct 26, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

old school

There’s a story Kevin McHale tells about an exhibition game the Celtics played in his rookie year against Philadelphia (New Jersey?). During warmups, McHale happenned to see an opposing player he knew well from college. So McHale says hi to the guy, and trades a few words. Within seconds, Dave Cowens is shooting daggers at him, letting him know, as a rookie, crap like that wasn’t tolerated, and to get away from the other team. It left a vivid impression on him.

by no kidding on Oct 26, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

odd

Cowens went to Milwaukee in Mchale’s rookie year. Sure it was Cowens?

by slamtheking on Oct 26, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My memory's fuzzy, but I think I have this one right.

I know your basic point is correct: Cowens didn’t play for the Celtics in McHale’s rookie year (‘80-81). However, as I recall, Cowens didn’t make up his mind to retire from the Celtics until sometime into the preseason games of ‘80-81. I remember one day he showed up for a team bus and announced he was through and wouldn’t be going along. (He had actually retired once before, about four years earlier, for some 30 games.) Conveniently, that allows my recollection of McHale’s story to hold up. Besides, I can’t think of anyone else on that Boston team that McHale would’ve found so intensely angry about him talking to an opponent.

Cowen then stated retired for two years, only to briefly unretire, at the urging of Don Nelson, who’s team he joined in Milwaukee for the later part of the ’82-83 season. http://www.nba.com/history/players/cowens_bio.html

by no kidding on Oct 26, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dave Cowens

I pretty sure that story is true. Yes Cowens retired in 1980 but during training camp, which was McHales rookie season. In fact, the Pistol also retired during that camp. How about that for trivia.

by badax33 on Oct 26, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd forgotten about Maravich.

I remember feeling sad later on that Cowens and him couldn’t hang around to be part of an NBA title team.

by no kidding on Oct 26, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

celtics will win tuesday night

I can’t wait for the rivalry to begin, err, continue. Boston will win Tuesday night, and they will win against homecourt Cleveland for the first time in 2 years.

by rjlovesboston on Oct 26, 2009 9:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

two things

“But of all the teams in the league, the Celtics and Cavs have the potential this season to re-write how we define the word ‘rivalry’.”

I’ve been watching the NBA since the Russell/Chamberlain years, so I’m mystified how the word rivalry is going to be re-written. And why would it be done by the Celtics and the Cavs, as opposed to the Celtics/Lakers?

Second, it’s asked “in reality, what’s wrong with what LeBron did?… He just walked off the floor.” No, that doesn’t cover it. I wouldn’t have had a problem with him just walking off and refusing to shake hands. The complaint was, when he was asked about it by reporters, “The King” gave an incredibly pompous explanation about how the normal customs of sportsmanship were beneath him, that he was a “winner”, and that sort of handshaking nonsense was for losers. He was above that. He was all about sincerity.

by no kidding on Oct 26, 2009 10:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was referring to how rivalries today are not what they were a few decades ago and since they’ve arguably taken on a new definition in today’s game, as being softer and what not, this specific matchup has the chance to remind us of the old brutal rivalries.

by Greg Payne on Oct 26, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough.

Honestly, I suppose I just felt the urge to vent on LeBron one more time. And isn’t that what rivalries are all about?

by no kidding on Oct 26, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The fact that they have Powe leaves a bad taste in my mouth...

but it adds another wrinkle to this rivalry.

That Pierce/Lebron duel from 2007 is about as good as it gets, and I can imagine there’re more games like that in the cards for these two teams.

Gotta say, all this is getting me fired up for the season… I don’t care who is gunning for this team — they are totally up for it!

Go C’s!

by Hal Jordan on Oct 26, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why?

Powe has been running his mouth about the Celtics. He’s one of them now.

by Bankshot on Oct 26, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough about Powe being "one of them", but

other than complaining about getting mixed signals from management and ownership, I haven’t seen much about Powe running off his mouth. Certainly not in the way Starbury’s been flappin’ his gums, slagging his teammates, etc.. Am I missing some nasty quotes? ‘Cause if that’s the extent of his griping, I see nothing there that negates the quality of his play and contribution to our playoff run, not to mention the character that he’s shown throughout his life.

Don’t get me wrong — if he’s drawing charge calls and dunking on the C’s with impunity at any time during the upcoming season, I’ll be right there with Tommy calling foul play.

by Hal Jordan on Oct 26, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Example of Powe running his mouth?

Nope. He’s a good natured, classy fella with a rock-solid work ethic. Sorry, but it’s just not possible to make this guy into a villain. Maybe that’ll change, but for now he’s still a class act, no matter what colors he’s wearing.
http://www.nesn.com/2009/10/familiar-face-of-leon-powe-becomes-foe-for-celtics.html?sbn

by Hal Jordan on Oct 26, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our best rivalry was with the ......

   Yes, we always wanted to beat LA, but I never really disliked them in the old days. (I think it would be very hard for any true basketball fan to have disliked Magic Johnson or Lou Alcindor). In fact Kobe is vastly more dislikeable then any of the old Lakers. But the Pistons! Now that was a real rivalry! SERIOUS dislikes! Lambeer, Isaiah and the PF(McNasty?), can’t think of his name right now who was huge and strong and flopped wonderfully, vs Parish (remember his punch to Lambeer), Bird and McHale.

by Dipper on Oct 26, 2009 10:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mahorn....

Rick Mahorn….

those were some battles Pistons vs. Celtics.

by Gainesville Celtic on Oct 26, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To No Kidding

  Yes I remember those great days. I was stationed at Otis AFB on the Cape and went to every doubleheader at the Garden that Wilt and Russ played in. But of course my favorite team would be Harry (The Horse) Gallatin at Center, Carl Braun at forward, and Mcguire (not AL) at PG. How many here remember those days?

by Dipper on Oct 26, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, that's really going back. In terms of those kind of memories, I'm just a piker.

All I ever saw of Chamberlain and Russell was on a small grainy black and white t.v. in my parents’ home in Cleveland, Ohio. That and the fact that my older brother would cut out every NBA photo available from Sports Illustrated. He idolized Wilt and the Lakers, so necessarily, I only saw honor and virtue in the guys from Boston.

By the way, whenever I’ve seen your blog user name, I’ve assumed it was in honor of Wilt. Now I know.

by no kidding on Oct 26, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We should be favored in a brawl lol

Big Baby, Sheldon, and almost Sweetney? We would be tough!

by Staubach on Oct 26, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Haha I'd just duck behind Perk

I bet Rondo’s a scrappy fighter, too. Remember two years ago when he almost took on Rafer Alston down in Houston? He wasn’t backing down.

by Greg Payne on Oct 26, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think if we played in the playoffs last year....

we might be able to call this a rivalry. The competitive nature from these two teams stems from their personalities. There’s a handful of guys on both these teams that would kill to win. Add in Jeff’s article a couple of weeks ago about the C’s being the most hated team in the league and i think that fuels the fire. The C’s certainly do a lot of talking. But man I would love to see Big Baby closeline Varejao going up for a layup and Kendrick pull a Parish on Igaluskus. There I said it.

by Steal by Bird on Oct 26, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

All in favor of seeing that happen but

not to increase risk of any suspension from playoff games.

by capela on Oct 26, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally I see Orlando as a bigger rival...

…even though Lebron is the greatest thing since sliced bread I see the matchups overall with Orlando as much more compelling.

Perk – he is about the best defender of Dwight Howard in the league. Both went straight from HS to the NBA, but of course DH is a poster-child of the NBA. You think KP doesn’t get up to play Orlando?

KG – if he has a weak link it’s against the Rashard Lewises of the league. Can he still defend that mold of player?

Pierce – drafted the same year as VC, he has emerged from Carter’s early career shadow and clearly proven himself as the better player. But Vince is on the best team of his career and can certainly still score. Who is the craftier player at this stage in their career? Can Vince redeem himself in this debate?

Ray – I’m not even sure who the second starting wing will be for Orlando, but Ray still has the residual top-dog battle to settle with Rashard Lewis from their Seattle days…

Rondo – the young all-star caliber PG counterpart to Jameer Nelson. Both are super quick. Both kind of took the league by surprise. Much more interesting matchup to me than Rondo vs. Mo Williams.

Orlando knocked Boston and Cleveland out of the playoffs last year. Both Orlando-Boston and Orlando-Cleveland are better rivalries than Boston-Cleveland. At least that’s how I see it…

by milt palacio's shot on Oct 26, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't like "happy" rivalries

When you dislike someone who you want to beat and prove your better then, you don’t smile and act like your both having “fun”……

by Scalablob990 on Oct 26, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs


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