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Is anyone's head spinning yet?  A few days ago I was feeling pretty happy that we escaped preseason with only the Bill Walker injury and whatever lingering issues Scal and Tony Allen are dealing with.  Now David Aldridge is reporting that Big Baby could be out for several months or even the whole season.

The Celtics were also waiting on Monday for results of a second opinion on the right thumb injury suffered by backup center Glen Davis, who reportedly suffered the injury in an off-court altercation with a former teammate of his Sunday. "It doesn't look good," said a league source. The Celtics were hopeful that Davis hasn't fractured his thumb; if he did, surgery would be required and Davis would likely miss several months, if not the entire season.

As reported earlier, the Celtics are holding last minute talks with Bill Duffy, Rondo's agent.  Though again, David Aldridge is reporting that the sides are still pretty far apart.

But the discussions haven't yet led to a consensus on how to pay Rondo in a potential five-year deal. Rondo and Duffy are seeking a maximum or near-max contract that would pay him between $80 and $85 million; the Celtics are loath to put anything near that much into Rondo, given their existing expenditures for star players like Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce.

You can't fault an agent for trying to get the most for his client, but $85M is a lot of scratch.  Hopefully the sides can find some common ground and get a deal done that works for everyone.  I wouldn't be too shocked to see a 3 year deal with player options for an additional couple years.

And here I was thinking that Ray Allen's stitches would be the major story line headed into tomorrow night's game against the Cavs.  Oh yeah, the game.  We get our first look at Shaq playing the role of Robin to King James's Batman.  (or will he revert back to trying to be Superman?)

Meanwhile back to the Big Baby issue (sorry to jump around like this, but this day has me spinning), we are once again facing a situation where we might have to worry about big man depth.  Once again, Perk's shoulder could go out at any moment and Scal, ...well, I don't think we can rely on Scal to be healthy anymore.  Like it or not, Danny's decision to bring in Shelden Williams and let Leon Powe go could have a major impact on the season if Big Baby is indeed gone for a long time.

Thinking out loud here a minute.  If we lock up Rondo, whatever small chance we had to make a run in free agency next year would go out the window, which in turn might make the Celtics more willing to make a trade sending away some of their expiring contracts for help now.  These dominoes could be setting longer term things in motion beneath the surface.  Or maybe it is just a really busy day in Waltham and that's all there is to it.

How will tomorrow top this?  Well, did I mention there's an actual game?  Can't wait.

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A max deal?

Uh, no thanks.

by CoachBo on Oct 26, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions  

that "reporting" seems like a lot of speculation...

from several weeks, to several months, to the entire season.

Those Rondo numbers look odd too. Is Brandon Roy’s max contract even worth $85M?

by Pengaloo on Oct 26, 2009 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

exactly

I’m not holding my breath that those are the actual numbers… They don’t really make much sense since this the after rookie contract – unless its a 6 yr deal, which be $13m to $14m a year.

And weren’t there “reports” that he was asking for $50/5yrs not too long ago?

I agree though, I def see a 3yr deal a much likelier scenario.

Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!

by RJ87 on Oct 26, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah.....breathe deep my friend

How many times has a player missed an entire season because of a thumb injury? I am guessing never.

Secondly, someone can and will step forward to take up the slack……..

Third Perk’s shoulder is CURRENTLY just fine

Fourth…..Rondo is CURRENTLY healthy and he will play like a guy looking for a contract….because he is!!!!!.

Fifth….Tony Allen has NEVER not been injured (when you think about it)

FAITH……..keep it brother…..

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Oct 26, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I love that PO is the voice of reason LOL

I’m not nervous so much as I am trying to catch up with the news – I was at dinner with friends and I come home the whole world’s gone crazy

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Oct 26, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think me being the voice of reason is so funny....

the voice of sanity? yes ..now that’s funny

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Oct 26, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

you are my rock PO

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Oct 26, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa...

Baby’s going to miss the entire season!!!! That doesn’t make sense. 6-8 weeks is the ‘normal’ recovery time for a broken thumb.

Jeff Goodman on CSNE Sports Tonight reported that the Cs offered Rondo 45 million over 5 years, while Rondo and his agent were looking for 50-55 million over 5 years. Much more reasonable than the max or near max reported by Aldridge….

by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Oct 26, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

that does sound more reasonable

do you have a link to that or was it on TV?

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Oct 26, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Goodman stuff was on CSNNE--replay is happening in a minute or two

Tanguay also reported via Twitter that Baby’d be out 6-8 weeks, not an entire season which has got to be a mistake.

by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Oct 26, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK by me

I’m interested to see what Williams can do with the PT. His rebounding might compliment Sheed better. His jumper also looked solid in the last preseason games.

Of course, baby knows our system and his teammates better.

by guava_wrench on Oct 27, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he'll take 5 years, $50 million

I say get it done.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 26, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

That would be ideal and a reasonable estimate of his current market value.

One caveat though: I might have misheard Goodman. Upon 2nd listen, it sounded like it 55-60 million was Rondo’s asking price (sorry everyone, I’m in a pretty poor aural environment).

These reports of Rondo wanting the max are about as ridiculous as Baby missing the entire year with a broken thumb!

by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Oct 26, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd probably do 55

but what do I know?

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Oct 26, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

I might even do 55. If the C’s are offering 45, agent/Rondo wants 55, well why don’t we all just meet in the middle and go 5 yrs for 50. If only it were so easy.

by ChainSmokingLikeDino on Oct 27, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d probably do that, Roy, to get the deal done. No more, though.

by CoachBo on Oct 27, 2009 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

that makes much more sense

and is more in line with what Rondo was saying on weei back in June. He said that Brandon Roy is currently the only max contract player of his draft year.

by Pengaloo on Oct 26, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I have been saying the whole off season that the C's need more legit big man depth.......

In case a big goes down.

The baby situation is the perfect example how you can never have to much big man depth.

What is Perks shoulder goes now or Rasheed gets hurt?

Danny needs to trade Scal for a legit big man ASAP.

by fordescort on Oct 26, 2009 10:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's not panic

Until something actually happens with Perk’s shoulder or Rasheed gets hurt. Yea, sucks that BBD is out, but its not like we’re gonna live and die by his production, Shelden is an adequate temporary solution.

Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!

by RJ87 on Oct 26, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do not think any one is having a panic attack..

But I agree with fordescort who like me has been begging the C’s to acquire more big man depth insurance, especially at the center position.

They are pretty deep at the power forward position so the Baby loss does not bother me, but they are thin at the center position and that worry’s me and other C fans.

I think it makes perfect sense for the C’s to get a 3rd string center on the bench as insurance, because if Perk or Rasheed were injured today instead of Baby the C’s would not have a legit center on the bench and would be in big trouble this season.

Again no one is seeking a allstar back up center, just a low cost player like PJ Brown, Scott Pollard who is a legit big man, can defend the post and rebound who can come off the bench in case Rasheed or Perk get hurt.

It also should not be to hard to find such a low cost back up legit center since we can use either Scals $3.5 mil. or TA’s $2.3 mil. expiring contacts as trade bait.

by celtics #1 on Oct 26, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even without BBD – who I expect will not miss the whole season, more like 8 wks or so – the C’s have 4 guys who can play center (Perk, Wallace, Williams and KG). Basically, they have a lot of depth at most positions through flexibility.

Injuries are always a risk and you have to try to plan for them by having as much depth as possible. But you shouldn’t get yourself all stressed out about possible injuries that haven’t yet happened. They can happen to any team, at any time.

I wonder if they’ll bring Sweetney back in to take BBD’s roster spot while he’s injured.

by mmmmm on Oct 27, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

How many times can I say it, Williams and KG are not centers

Williams does not have the length or height and Garnett does not have the bulk to do the job effecively against the longer bigger legit centers, though they can spot duty at times against some smaller centers.

The Celtics only have 2 legit centers on the bench that being Perk and Garnet.

If they stay healthy yes we do have depth at the center position, but what if one of them gets injured, we will then be thin at that position.

With Perks shoulder problem and Rasheeds age it would be wise to have a contingency plan in place if any one of them gets seriously hurt, because if one of them does we will then be left with only 1 legit center on the roster and will be in big trouble, especially heading into the playoffs.

Just like you say injuries are always a risk and you should have a plan in place by having as much depth as possible for insurance sake.

That’s why I think adding a 3rd string center should be a priority for the C’s and would be very wise move to make.

by fordescort on Oct 27, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll assume you meant to say “2 legit centers … being Perk and Wallace”.

In one sense I would agree – those are the two guys who can play center at a top-level – i.e. could start at Center for any team in the NBA. But how many other teams out there can say they have more than two guys who can play C at that level?

But Sheldon Williams IS listed on the depth chart at Center and plays the position even without height (he’s 6’ 9") because he is extremely strong (the guy is chiseled) and has incredibly long arms (reportedly 7’ 2" wingspan). He played C all four years at Duke so he knows the position (i.e. he isn’t a case of a natural PF being asked to play C). More than adequate as 3rd-string bench depth Center and with his strength and raw athleticism has a lot of potential given good coaching. BBD also played C for us and he’s no taller (though he does carry a lot more wt). For the Celtics, playing center is more about strength on offense and reach on defense so in theory Williams should fit their system just fine since his game is all about brute strength.

And Garnett may not be at his best game at Center, but he HAS and CAN play it very effectively. I do agree that we are not likely to see him there because (a) he’s more valuable at PF and (b) if we got hit for injuries to all three of Perk, Sheed & Williams we might as well mail it in …

At any rate, you are now officially ‘correct’ in that they need another big based purely on the fact that BBD has now (reportedly) been suspended on top of the injury. Unfortunately I would be suspect of the quality of play of any ‘pure’ Center that they are going to pull off of anyone else’s bench at this point.

Can you identify any candidates out there on a team that would value the Scal or TA’s contracts high enough?

I again won’t be surprised if they pull Sweetney back onto the roster ASAP. He’s much more limited than BBD, but he showed he has some positives in his game that Doc can put to use.

by mmmmm on Oct 27, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does that make sense?

How do you get a legit big man for Scal?

by guava_wrench on Oct 27, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Simple.......

You offer Scalabrine and his 3.5 milllion dollar expiring contract to a team that has a backup center and you trade for the both of them.

Scals the player may not have alot of value, but his contrcat does so the C’s should be able to find a srvicable 3rd striung center for him easily.

Again no special just a low cost budget wise legit back up center with length and size like PJ Brown, Pollard, Mihm etc who can come in for spot duty and rebound, block shots and defend the low post against big centers like Shaq, Howard etc.

by fordescort on Oct 27, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do the 5 and $50 mil

Lock him up, if they will,go for that

by Tom Halzack on Oct 26, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Man, I wish contract talks weren't a part of sports.

And it’s totally unreasonable, but a part of me would like it if anyone who ever argued that Glen Davis should’ve been given anything close to the full MLE would now be excluded from commenting on what Rondo should be signed for.

by no kidding on Oct 26, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions  

As I said before Rondo wants Chris Paul, D. William's money

Last week this topic on Rondo’s signing came up and I posted that he wanted top PG money ($13.5M+ range). As I said, Rondo wants to be paid on his potential, Danny wants to pay him close to what is value is now.

Don’t expect this deal to get done by Oct. 31. The “ace” in the hole is that Rondo is restricted.

Rondo’s jumper will have to mimic’s Jerry West’s for him to get near max money. Don’t expect Rondo to be rushing to the table to sign 5 yr- $50M. Possibly those #s could have worked early on before the Celts went negative on Rondo this summer. If Rondo can make teams play him defensively and make them respect his outside shot, he could easily get $10M+ if he can get his game to that level. As his game stands now, he’s not far off from getting a $10M per year with all the free agency money available next summer- even with a crummy jumper.

My guess, Celts will have to get over $10M per year with some player options in the later years to get a deal done now or we could be looking at some hardball come this summer. I’m just grateful he’s restricted so we do have some options instead of him just walking.

by brianceltfan on Oct 27, 2009 12:08 AM EDT reply actions  

wants...maybe...but gets...hell no

i think there is no way he’s pushing for a max deal. if he ever develops a decent jumper (and who knows if that’s ever going to happen), yes, he’d be in the cp3/deron williams category of young 1s. but until he does so, there is no chance he’ll get that kind of money. and given all the bad press he has gotten in the past few months, other teams would have to think long and hard about giving him that kind of contract.

by guy incognito on Oct 27, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Big Baby's Altercation

I wonder who is the former player who had the altercation with Big Baby. Do we have another Tony Allen in our hands?

by orb on Oct 27, 2009 12:08 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

WORST CASE SCENARIO

SIGN Sean Williams (former BC Star)

There seems to be one problem with this guy, his attitude.

Solution= KG, Rasheed, PaulPierce, Big Perk etc.

He is pretty solid defensively and his athletic capabilities are through the roof. In my honest opinion, he is the perfect fit for the Boston Celtics.

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by FanFromTheChedda on Oct 27, 2009 12:12 AM EDT reply actions  

i´m sorry...

do you mean the same Sean Williams who was arrested for possession of weed, then arrested for showing up to his former college where he has a restraining order against him, and then later arrested for trashing a phone kiosk in a Denver mall because the employee wouldn´t give him a better deal on an iPhone?

I would say that´s more than an “attitude” problem – and I would ask what you realistically expect KG Rasheed, etc. to do with someone as sociopathic as Sean Williams? He is not a “Worst Case Scenario” – he might even be further into “untouchable” territory than Starbury.

by milt palacio's shot on Oct 27, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trade for Nocioni..

The guy can play Baby’s minutes and help back-up Pierce. Get it done!!

by BWC on Oct 27, 2009 1:32 AM EDT reply actions  

wow...

did not know he was hurt until i came to this blog. thats a little heartbreaking, especially since i was still rejoicing at the good fortune of even resigning him last offseason. oh well, don’t even know if its broken yet

by revived0103 on Oct 27, 2009 2:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Pay Rondo?

I would like to see him start this season like he ended in the playoffs and remain consistent then he’ll be worth C Paul type of money

by Dubai on Oct 27, 2009 6:00 AM EDT reply actions  

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