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Big Baby's Fight: Just a Tribute To Basketball Jesus?

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Glen "Big Baby" Davis is only 23 years old, and as his nickname implies, he's not the most mature of the Celtics. However, is what he did anything new? Not according to Dan Shaughnessy. 

According to Dan the Man, Big Baby is nothing special. Athletes have been acting their age for years, and even his holiness Larry Joe had an ill advised adventure in amateur late night pugilism.

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Per Shaughnessy's article:

t’s not a good situation. But let’s not throw Big Baby out with the bathwater. This stuff is as old as dirt. Young athletes have been doing goofy things at odd hours since before the days of the original Big Baby, George Herman Ruth.

It even happened to Larry Bird.

That’s right.

Larry Bird.

On the night of May 16, 1985, in the middle of the Eastern Conference finals between the Celtics and Sixers, Bird was involved in a scuffle that started at a now-defunct bar called Chelsea’s and spilled out to the corner of State Street and Merchant’s Row. After the altercation, Mike Harlow, a bartender/former Colgate football player, claimed he was sucker-punched by Bird. Nick Harris, a man who was with Bird and Quinn Buckner on the night of the incident, was treated at Massachusetts General Hospital’s emergency room that night.

There was a lawsuit and a settlement. The Celtics told Bird to stay away from Harris. None of the parties ever talked about it.

Ever.

First of all, if Larry Bird punched you in the mug, the correct response is 'thank you sir, may I have another'. If this thing called a 'Mike Harlow' would have had the foresight to make a cast of the four knuckle imprints on his face, he could have parlayed his late night encounter into a lucrative career as a novelties salesman, but that's neither here nor there.

Shaughnessy isn't just relying on a 'Mike Harlow" either. He's got a fairly famous source in the article.

In MacMullan’s new book, Bird says, "Max was out of shape when he came back. He didn’t do the rehab the way they asked. I was so pissed at him, because he was so good . . . He got his money, and he quit. I like Max, but that’s the bottom line.’’

"So it was all me?’’ Max said before the Celtics’ home opener Wednesday. "We got four Hall of Famers on the team, but the reason we didn’t win was all my fault? I must have been a beast!’’

He was laughing, but he was serious.

"Hey, we got a guy who gets his hand busted up in a barroom fight. That wasn’t me. But I’m never going to win this one. He’s Larry Bird!’’

Max has a point. Bird’s right index finger was badly swollen in the days after the fight. He claimed he injured it May 18 in a game at Philadelphia, two days after the fight. He shot 46 percent in the ’85 playoffs. In his other two MVP seasons, when the Celtics won the championship, he shot 52 percent each year.

So where does all this leave us? Let's assume the story is true as told, but where does it leave us? Baby was out at 4 am with his buddy, who was intoxicated. They got into a fight and now Baby is deep in the doghouse.

Bird gets into a bar-fight (well technically it's an 'out of bar fight') and the team settles and moves on. The team loses in the finals that year while Bird suffers through below par shooting and a supposedly (according to Danny Boy) swollen finger on his shooting hand. Bird gets a wrap from the newspaper on the nose and the team pays out to keep it quiet. Baby gets a broken finger (allegedly from the fight, but we all know Wyc did it in a fit of rage) and dragged through the papers, and apparently he is facing suspension. What can we learn from all this?

Well we can learn that first and foremost teams take care of their superstars. If Garnett had thrown a right hook at someone for saying salacious sentences about his lady, the team would rally behind him. Wyc would really behind him, because he's part of the face of the franchise, because he's Kevin Garnett, and the Kevin Garnett we all know from the TV commercials doesn't party until 4am and get in fights.

But there is a second lesson here which I think ought to be just as important. This isn't 1985. In 1985 the NBA wasn't clean cut. Compared to today's league, and the expectations from managment as well as fans regarding players' conduct, the league back then was a loosely organizated assortmant of ruffians and vagabonds. Go ahead and youtube "Mchale Rambis"..then youtube "rondo miller". You have to watch closely, the difference is subtle.

Thanks in part to public friendly (and image conscious or more likely image managed) players like Larry Bird, Majic Johnson, or Micheal Jordan, NBA players are expected to just be better. Better athletes, better looking, heck just overall better people.

So I guess before we get all rilied up about how Glen Davis was "only being 23", or how "Larry Bird even did it, let's not over react", maybe we ought to keep in mind that times have changed. It shouldn't surprise anyone that someone named "Basketball Jesus" could get away with a sucker punch in the wee hours of the morning over 20 years ago, but in the age of blogs, and face-space and my-book and that god foresaken thing called twitter, it shouldn't surprise us that Big Baby getting in a fight at 4am and sidelining himself for months is a big freakin deal.

Be respectful and keep it clean. Thanks.

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I HAD TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT THAT

This is a different era. Events now are a lot more sensitive than back in the day. However the players of today shoulder a much higher responsibility. Larger salary more responsibility. Baby will never get the pass that Bird got. No one can expect this to be over looked…… now or ever. A little maturity is expected especially if you’re a little more than a rookie.

Now let’s get to Bird, “Cornbread Maxwell” saved a many a victory for the Celtics. Bird was not a very good defensive player, Maxwell was. Byrd was the better all around player. Let’s talk about the real. Red Auerbauch asked Maxwell for the good of the team to come off the bench. Because he could give the second unit a lift on the offensive and defensive side. Not because McHale better than Max. This was done for the betterment of the team. And that my new Celtic fans is how the original big three was formed. That second unit played so well with Max they would break open games with their defense. God Max was a thing of beauty to see. Max could run with guards jump out of the building. he had great offensive he could guard you but they could guard him. People that tried to guard him ended up with fouls.

If you ever get a chance to see Max play you would understand just how good he really was.

by tyquinton on Oct 30, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

did larry break his hand punching him?

No. so this is not close. Baby is an idiot. Give me Leon back please.

by noro on Oct 30, 2009 7:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think you're missing the point.

I don’t really buy Shaughnessy’s article, but at the same time, Larry Bird sucker punched a stranger who sued him, which forced him to settle out of court. he did this in the middle of the conference finals. Baby fought his friend, and did this before the regular season even started.

I’d argue that Larry’s (if it happened as Shaughnessy and Msxwell say it did) was a way bigger error in judgement.

Reporter: About a year ago I asked about the Celtics-Lakers thing and you said you'd really only seen it on TV. Now you've been through it, can you talk about playing the Boston Celtics for the NBA championship?
Kobe: It Sucks.

by indeedproceed on Oct 31, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs


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