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Offseason: Mission Accomplished

A championship bench?

A championship bench?

At the beginning of this off-season, Doc Rivers was asked what the team needed to accomplish this summer, especially after a 2008 off-season that many have described as disappointing.  Rather than deflect the question, Doc answered it head on:

Q: The one thing the Celtics hit on last year was bench guys you brought in, including James Posey, P.J. Brown and Sam Cassell. Is it safe to assume that the Celtics have to do a better job at filling those roles in 2009-10?

DOC: "Absolutely.  We have to hit on backup positions. That's the key to our season, the subtle moves we make. One mistake we made was our locker room and our bench got too young too quickly. I think it made Rondo and Perkins younger. When guys had questions in the locker room, you had Sam, P.J. and Posey, plus the Big Three.

"It's more difficult when nobody is there in the second group. And when Kevin (Garnett) went down it really came down to the Big Two and now those are the two old guys, minus Scal (Brian Scalabrine). That's way too young."

It was hard to argue with Doc's assessment.  While the early playoff exit of last year's team was predominantly due to the absence of Kevin Garnett, one can't look past the fact that the team had a largely ineffective bench, which led to starters like Paul Pierce and Ray Allen playing too many minutes. 

The wish list of both Doc Rivers and most Celtics fans seemed to be 1) sign a backup big; 2) sign a backup for Paul Pierce; 3) re-sign Glen Davis; 4) re-sign Leon Powe; and 5) bring in somebody who can bring the ball up court and run the offense.  To the credit of both Danny Ainge and Celtics' ownership, they implemented a plan that came remarkably close to an ideal off-season.  Or, as Doc said today,

"We had a pretty good game plan this summer," said Doc Rivers. "I mean, we had Marquis or Grant Hill. Either one of them could have been a point guard (to get the ball up the floor), and that’s the way we looked at it. And we wanted Rasheed. We didn’t have a secondary plan for that, so that’s why the begging was so important with Rasheed."

Added Rivers, "We improved the way we wanted to. We didn’t upset our culture. We kind of just added to what we have, to our core. That’s exactly what we wanted to do. We didn’t want to get in a situation where we had eight new players. We’ve done that already, and we don’t need to do that anymore."

In other words, "mission accomplished".

Star-divide

What went right:

1) The signing of Rasheed Wallace.

Quite simply, Rasheed Wallace was the best big man on the market that was available for the MLE.  Signing him should turn out to be a coup; he's still a legit, starting-caliber impact player.  He's a defensive leader, a good rebounder, and an excellent shooter.  Also, he brings a swagger to the bench that's been missing a bit since Posey left.

Doc summed up just one way that Rasheed has already helped the team:

"He’s been great. He’s such a high basketball IQ player. It’s amazing listening to him. I’ve had numerous college coaches who are watching practice come up to me and say, ‘Man, that’s the loudest defensive talking team I’ve ever seen. I’ve never seen anything like it.’ It’s good because it’s on both units now. In the past, it’s been on the starting unit. When we had (James) Posey, there was some from the second unit. Now with Rasheed, he’s got Baby (Glen Davis) talking."

Between his defensive impact and his ability to space the floor on offense, I don't think anybody will be surprised if Rasheed gets serious consideration for Sixth Man of the Year.

2) Adding Marquis Daniels.

Daniels is another starter who took less money to come off our bench in an attempt to win a ring.   His most important task will to be to fill in for Ray Allen and Paul Pierce, to allow them to get more rest than last year.  Paul Pierce, for one, is happy with the signing:

"I think it’s going to help tremendously," Pierce said of the Daniels effect. "Last year we just didn’t have the depth at the wing position. We had a couple of rookies, (and) Tony Allen got hurt. So we’ve brought in a guy who can play three positions. You’re talking about a guy who started last year and you’re asking him to come off the bench. If one of us goes down he can start. That’s the value that he brings."

Above and beyond his ability to spell Pierce and Ray, Daniels also allows Doc to use Eddie House to defend opposing point guards, while having a bigger wing on the floor to bring the ball up court and initiate the offense.

3) Bringing back Big Baby.

The Celtics got a young, developing big man who had some clutch performances in the playoffs to re-sign for the bargain basement rate of 2 years, $6.3 million (with only $5 million of this guaranteed, from what I understand.)  What's not to like?  While BBD has some flaws in his game, he's shown potential (and actual performance) on both ends of the court.  There wasn't a big man available that had his combination of size, youth, and talent.

What went wrong?

I don't think anything went "wrong".  However, there are a couple of question marks left as we enter the pre-season:

1) Who plays backup point guard?

A lot of fans have lamented the lack of a true backup point guard.  There were a variety of potential veteran backup point guard options -- Tyronne Lue, Chucky Atkins, Carlos Arroyo, Bobby Jackson, etc. -- but the Celtics decided to pass on all of them in favor of an Eddie House / Marquis Daniels combination, along with the long-shot rookie Lester Hudson.  Time will tell if this is a mistake, but if there's any room for criticism of the team's off-season, this would seem to be where it will be targeted.

2) Can Shelden Williams fill Leon Powe's role?

The report was that the Celtics made a late attempt to re-sign Leon, leading some to question whether him departing was a mistake.  Can Shelden Williams fill in for Powe?

If you're talking about a healthy Powe, Williams is an inferior player.  Williams is probably about an equal rebounder and defender than Powe (perhaps a little better on the defensive end), but he's simply not as good on the offensive end. 

However, the first thing we have to remember is that there's no guarantee that Powe will be healthy.  He's coming off of very serious surgery, which included microfracture.  There's absolutely no guarantee -- or likelihood -- that Leon would be the same player this year that he was last year.  Plus, the second thing to keep in mind is that Shelden Williams isn't really replacing Leon Powe; Rasheed Wallace is.  Williams is filling the role of fifth big man, i.e., the Mikki Moore role.  I'm sure he can handle it.

I hated to see Powe go, too, simply because of the contributions he made here, and due to his work ethic.  However, on the court, I don't think we'll miss him a ton this season, in light of the other additions the team has made.

3) Can Marquis Daniels really be the primary backup at three positions?  Would we have been better off with Grant Hill?

Many fans are concerned, because Marquis Daniels is being billed both as the backup point guard and the backup small forward (as well as the backup shooting guard).  The worry, then, is that Paul Pierce won't have a "true" backup.  Doc fed into his concern a little bit lately when he spoke about playing Scal as a small forward when the team went to a five man bench unit. 

However, I don't see this as a huge concern.  Daniels will be playing two positions, not three:  small forward and shooting guard.  His "point guard duties" will come when Eddie House is in the game, but it will be Eddie who is playing the point guard position on defense.  The only time the team will be left without Daniels available as backup small forward is when none of Rondo, Ray,  Pierce, or Tony Allen is available.  Under those very limited circumstances, you may see Scal or Bill Walker (once healthy) getting some spot minutes.  At all other times, though, Marquis Daniels is your backup small forward.

As for Grant Hill, he was obviously the team's first choice, but in the end Daniels should be just as good of an option.  Hill, for all of his strong qualities, is 37 years old (today, as a matter of fact.  Happy birthday, Grant!).  Daniels is 28.  Over the course of a season, we may appreciate Daniels' younger legs.

Grade:  A.  Realistically, I don't see a lot more that Danny could have done this off-season.  I'll give him an A, rather than an A+, for his failure to bring in a veteran floor general, although in the end I don't think we'll miss having one.  I was one of Danny's biggest critics last summer, but this year, I'm very, very pleased by the team that has been put together.

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I pretty much concur.

We did well. Danny did well.

The plans he had were solid, and he succeeded at getting us a real solid rotation. I’m satisfied.

Afk, entering a state of meditation until the season starts cuz it’s taking too frikkin’ long :)

- Dirk 'DaarisDirk' van Boxtel

by Kiorrik on Oct 5, 2009 6:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice Job

Thanks for a great synopsis of the off-season Roy.

Would an inability of trading TA be a good thing or bad thing?

by amenhotep04 on Oct 5, 2009 7:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

... if we had the answer to that question ...

If we had that answer, we would have either traded him, or never even have tried trading him.

… wow. that’s a weird line.

- Dirk 'DaarisDirk' van Boxtel

by Kiorrik on Oct 5, 2009 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TA

Don’t think it matters. If we could have gotten Daniels for more years by being able to pay him more it would have been nice to include TA in a deal, but Danny worked all summer and couldn’t get it done. He might have if he gave away something he didn’t want to. TA will either help us of not. This is the final year of his contract. If it were that important to move him now we could buy him out and that doesn’t make much sense. To bad we need to talk about TA this way. As to Daniels, he seems to want to play for a team that he feels comfortable with. He gave up some bucks to come here. We should be able to retain him after this year.

"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn

by TrueGreen on Oct 5, 2009 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Dirk

even if I don’t understand what he just said

basically, we can’t know if not trading TA was a mistake unless we know what we could have gotten in return

if we had the option of giving him away for nothing, then we’d still have to know who we could have signed to take his roster spot

right now, we still have a guy that can give us spot minutes and an expiring contract – that’s not a bad thing

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Oct 5, 2009 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's basicly what I *meant* to say.

Too bad sometimes things just come out wrong :)

I blame it on being Dutch.

- Dirk 'DaarisDirk' van Boxtel

by Kiorrik on Oct 5, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I blame Mikki Moore

and will continue to do so as long as I can

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Oct 5, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Assessment Roy

I don’t think we could have done any better than we did. We are a much better team. Some say LA did good by adding Artest and the Cav’s by adding Shaq, but I think we improved our team most of all. The guys we added just fit perfectly both on the floor and in the locker room. I’m not so sure about the others.

"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn

by TrueGreen on Oct 5, 2009 7:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Considering that they added Rasheed, I think it's more fair to say that WIlliams is the new

Mikki Moore or Patrick O’Bryant or any of the other guys they’ve had at the ‘big’ end of their bench.

And if they weren’t looking for another Dickau or Strawberry or other limited or over-the-hill pg, then is not adding one really going wrong?

by clover on Oct 5, 2009 7:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure if you noticed...

… but I did, in fact, argue that point:

Plus, the second thing to keep in mind is that Shelden Williams isn’t really replacing Leon Powe; Rasheed Wallace is. Williams is filling the role of fifth big man, i.e., the Mikki Moore role. I’m sure he can handle it.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 5, 2009 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to disagree

I think Rasheed takes the place of Baby. Baby therefore takes the place of Leon. It may sound like semantics, but ultimately all of those minutes that Baby got last year SHOULD be going to Rasheed (plus some more) regardless of position.

by TomHamilton30 on Oct 5, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's mostly semantics...

Sure, Rasheed is going to get more minutes. Regarding whose “role” he’s going to take, though, Powe and BBD played roughly equal minutes. Depending on the game, Powe would get more than BBD. I don’t see that happening next season, though; Rasheed will be the first big off the bench at pretty much all times.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 5, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha! Guilty as charged--should have read every last word first.

BTW, I’m glad we’ve got Marquis instead of Grant. Grant couldn’t keep himself on the court back in his prime, let alone be a reliable, tough, multi-position backup at age 37. (And yes, I know Marquis has been a bit fragile, too.)

by clover on Oct 5, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also...

I agree that it wasn’t “wrong” to not add a veteran PG.

I don’t think anything went “wrong”. However, there are a couple of question marks left as we enter the pre-season:

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 5, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It could be wrong

And it’s still my only rotational concern at the moment. Until I see several games of Marquis at the point, I won’t be sold. But hopefully Danny is hanging on to his last few trade chips as a precautionary measure for any position he may need mid-season.

by TomHamilton30 on Oct 5, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

What free agent point guard was available for the minimum that is going to be better than Daniels back there? Lue? Atkins? I just don’t see it.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 5, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But how are you so sure..

That Marquis will be a viable backup PG option in the east? I suppose all he has to do is bring the ball up the court, but defensively how will he affect the team if he’s the acting PG? Again, I’m just not real sold on it until I see it in action, which is why I’m happy they still have some possibility to make a move for a backup PG should the need arise.

by TomHamilton30 on Oct 5, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think we have to worry about him defensively...

He’s only the point guard when Eddie House is in the game, I think. Eddie will defend PGs — where he’s been pretty good, despite his reputation — and Marquis will defend SGs and SFs.

This team won 66 games primarily with Eddie as the backup. Adding Daniels only makes that position stronger, as Eddie’s weaknesses — getting the ball up court, initiating the offense — are mitigated by Daniels.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 5, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that Williams is the new Moore/O’Bryant but I would argue that Sheed replaces Baby and Baby replaces Powe

regardless, they’ve upgraded the bench and in particular the frontcourt – so well done Danny

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Oct 5, 2009 7:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow

I didn’t read your post Jeff until I made the exact same post above in response to Roy’s lol.

by TomHamilton30 on Oct 5, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The bench is definitely better

but I think Danny accomplished what absolutely had to get done with little else.

Sheed, Daniels and Williams were very solid pickups for the roles they’ll be playing.

Not moving players that should not play a role on this team, TA and Scal, for someone that’s more productive is a missed opportunity. I’m sure Danny tried but in this error of salary dumping, those 2 offer a good contract reduction for a team looking to trim salary after this year.

Also, not getting a dependable PG off the bench is another opportunity missed. Probably due to not being able to move TA and Scal to free up a roster spot. Danny would be better off solidifying the bench from that perspective than relying on a “backup by committee” approach.

A strong offseason certainly but could have been better.

by slamtheking on Oct 5, 2009 8:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think it's hard to say that it was a missed opportunity...

… without knowing who was available. Also, there’s some value to preserving future cap flexibility (but that’s an article for another day).

All I know is, if you’d told me at the beginning of the off-season that we’d sign Rasheed, Daniels, BBD, and Williams, and only lose Powe, Starbury, and Mikki, I’d have been thrilled.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 5, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For people who voted "C" or lower...

… what was it that you think the team should have done better?

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 5, 2009 8:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I voted an F since I know I will be the only one to do so LOL

I have very high expectations for DA! he should have made a deal that would send TA to the Hornets for CP3 in a direct trade! or at least sent TA to the Grizzlies for OJ Mayo coz last time I heard they are giving away players for nothing… on the serious side though I’d give DA an A- =P

by jeric on Oct 5, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Williams HAS to be an upgrade over MM

  Everything I read sez: Williams is a very good rebounder, and a very good defender and a smart player (who can set screens etc). And he has the size to bang. MM was a horrible defender,at best a so so rebounder, was too scrawny to bang, and didnt seem to get the Celtics defense into his head. MM MIGHT have been a better offensive player, but his offense was so bad it didn’t matter. Williams doesn’t have to shoot the ball with our team. Just set the screens when needed (thats all Baby did until he found a jump shot). PP and Ray Allen will be perfectly happy to take the shots.

by Dipper on Oct 5, 2009 8:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree 100% Dipper........

I think Williams will be very effective even though he is not a great offensive player.

He can rebound, block shots and defend the post very well for a power forward.

I think since he is a better rebounder, shot blocker and rebounder than Big Baby, he will see some meaning full minutes this year at the back up power forward position.

Since he is a very physical player he will blend in nicely playing next to the physical play of Perk, Rasheed and Garnett.

His tough play, and big body, and 6 fouls will also come in handy in the playoffs when we can send Williams into a game and bang and disrupt the hell out of players like Howard, Shaq, Gasol and Odom.

Even though the Williams signing was not as sexy as the Rasheed or Daniels signing, I think it was and will be a very important signing that will help the C’s goal of winning title #18 this year.

by fordescort on Oct 5, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I give Danny an A. Sheed+Daniels and Davis resigned is a great offseason.

We still need a back up SF (no Scal isn`t the answer) but we can address that need before the deadline with a trade…I would also like to see a pure veteran back up PG…

by thebirdman on Oct 5, 2009 9:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Leon PO(we)

other than that I am fairly happy

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Oct 5, 2009 9:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Statement: Powe is 09's Posey.

Agreed or not? :)

- Dirk 'DaarisDirk' van Boxtel

by Kiorrik on Oct 5, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not agreed

Posey was on the physical decline (which part of his defensive abilities were based upon), and he was asking for more money than he was worth (as well as too many years). As he declines, he would be hindering the Celtics cap space. With Posey on the team they probably couldn’t have gotten Rasheed, daniels, etc.

Powe on the other hand was looking for much less money. He also couldn’t provide anything for the first 2/3rds of the season, and beyond that his production was questionable. For the record I was in agreement on not signing Posey to what he demanded, and against letting Leon Powe go.

by TomHamilton30 on Oct 5, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So I guess the only question that remains would be...

… will Powe be productive in the upcoming season?

I guess we’ll know by Januari. Ish.

- Dirk 'DaarisDirk' van Boxtel

by Kiorrik on Oct 5, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh wait...

Not Januari… When is he expected to return again?

- Dirk 'DaarisDirk' van Boxtel

by Kiorrik on Oct 5, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not totally sure

But I don’t think he’ll be capable of more than 10+ minutes / game until March timeframe.

by TomHamilton30 on Oct 5, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ACL

i dont think he will be back playing so quickly… after my own ACL recon its been a year and i am still nowhere near playing ball again… :((((((((((((((

by 00dc2 on Oct 5, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A+

The Celtics already had exceptional players who make high salaries in a tighter salary cap year. For them to add Rasheed was enormous. He addressed their biggest weakness, counters Dwight Howard & Shaq (creates a mismatch), and fits in perfectly with the team setup.

To then be able to sign Marquis and Williams, while getting rid of the trash on the team, instantly propels their grade to A.

I gave them a “+” because they didn’t adversely affect their future cap space, which so many other teams have done.

Sure, in a perfect world I would like them to have a backup PG, resign Leon, etc… but compared to what was realistically possible and what we’ve come to see over the past 20 years, I am ecstatic about this team.

by TomHamilton30 on Oct 5, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Resign Powe but Sheldon will be a better player!

It was the way that Danny let Powe go. That is not a good business concept for your young players to accept. Red did not pay players. Pay attention here the first player that Red payed money to was Mchale. Mchale and his agent went to Europe to play ball in Italy then at the final hour Red finally gave in and payed a player. When you say to a player it’s just business, mentally the message that player get’s is the team vs me. Now all of sudden you have a young man that feels he’s in this buy himself . Red did the same thing but he used different terminology. The most powerful thing on earth is words if used properly.

My grade for Danny was an A. The new additions were the best available but more importantly they are a perfect fit for us. I have been a Celtic fan since 1969 and I have never seen a better rotation of big men. This is going to be huge I mean really really huge.

Something not being said is Walker was slated to be PP backup. Thats not Scal spot. Daniels cant play every where, so Walker has to have shown a lot over the summer. This whole team can contribute. We win!!!!!!!!

by tyquinton on Oct 5, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay...

… who is the Lakers fan that gave this off-season a “D”. ;-)

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 5, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Trading Scal & T. Allen for better quality players would of been this summer, but its still not to late.

If Danny could of traded T Allen for a strong, defending possibly shooting small forward and traded Scal for a legit 7 ft. back up defending, rebounding center that would of been the icing on the cake as far as Danny’s off season moves.

I still think (even with Daniels) we need a big, strong defending small forward to guard the likes of Lebron and Kobe and a back up center in case Perks shoulder, Garnetts knee cause them any problem or Rasheed due to age suffers a injury.

But its still not to late for Danny to try to move Scal and T Allen’s valuable expiring contracts to obtain 2 such players as we have until the trade deadline in February to do so.

Lets go Danny your wheelin and dealin ain’t done yet

by fordescort on Oct 5, 2009 10:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just don't think those players were out there...

What player, on a relatively reasonable contract (i.e., not 4 years or longer) was available to us?

I just can’t fault Danny for not trading for a guy who may not have been available. We’ll know more when we hear trade rumors in January and February.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 5, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe, maybe not.............

Only Danny knows for sure if any such players with reasonable contracts were available over the summer as he was the only one in the room talking to teams about a possible trade for Scal and T. Allen.

Their are many reasons why Danny may have not made a deal for such players over the summer:

1st) Maybe the pickings as you say of such players were slim and Danny will wait for the trade deadline when more players and more talented players will become available.

2nd) Maybe Danny is waiting for teams that would give us draft picks in exchange for Scal and T. Allens, in order to get both salaries off the C’s payroll, so that the C’s could then go out and sign players cheaply via buying out contracts in February.

3rd) Maybe Danny is not seeking to trade Scal and T. Allen for other players and seeks instead to keep them on the bench this year so that their contracts will expire at the end of the year and money will free up next year to help go after the some of the big free agents that will be available next year.

Who knows what Danny tried or was thinking over the summer or what his plans are in the future with Scal and T. Allen, as we are all on the outside looking in and can only guess.

As you say though, we should know more on if Danny plans on trading Scal and Allen this year for players I recommend above or any others in February, so I guess we will all have to just wait and see what happens.

by fordescort on Oct 5, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From all reports, Danny couldn't give Tony away...

He wanted to send him to Indy in the Marquis Daniels sign-and-trade, and neither Indy nor another team (as a facilitator) would take him.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 5, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

I KNEW I should have saved the link, but what I clearly remember Doc saying, at one point, was that we needed three specific things: (1) a backup big, (2) a backup 3, and (3) a backup PG. He specifically enumerated those three things. I remember posting that he hit the nail right on the head.

What we in fact got was (1) a backup big and (2) a backup 3. We got better players than I thought we’d be able to get at those spots. We did not get a backup PG. Or, if you want to consider Daniels the backup PG, then we did not get a backup 3.

So, we got 2 out of 3; doing the math, that’s 66%. Grading on the curve to account for the fact that Shhed and Daniels are “plus” players, yields a grade of B-minus.

Daniels has only averaged 58 games per season in his career, due to injuries. If he is our backup 3 and backup PG, that’s our team’s Achilles heel, right there. That’s too big a void to assign a grade of A to the offseason.

"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark

by Eeyore III on Oct 5, 2009 10:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Didn't we mitigate the need for a backup point...

… by getting a backup “point forward”? Eddie House is the backup point guard, and he’ll share (or defer) ball handling duties with Daniels.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 5, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wallace & Daniels picked us….plain & simple…my guess is Danny had Starbury lined up but he went beserk so he backed off for now…he’ll be here come spring…Starbury,Eddie,Daniels,Baby & Wallace form a serious bench..Daniels as point and with Scal???? no so much…no matter,we’re loaded..

by Motown on Oct 5, 2009 10:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I personally think Starbury is gone for good...

I can’t see another team signing him at this point.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 5, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

McDyess

Not getting him left me peeved. he would have been great insurance! Damn you spurs!!!!!!!!

by 00dc2 on Oct 5, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I liked McDyess, too...

But it wouldn’t have been possible to get both he and Rasheed.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 5, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

McDyess

McDyess would have been Nyess, but Sheed would have been my first choice. He gives all that McDyess can and more. With Sheed there is really no place for McDyess on the roster. I’d rather see Baby get that playing time.

"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn

by TrueGreen on Oct 5, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really

I’m not trying to argue that McDyess is better than Racheed, but he is a far, far better rebounder, so to say Sheed gives everything he gives and then some is a little off.

by Cousin It on Oct 6, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mission Accomplished

Let’s hope these words ring truer than the last time this phrase was posted to a banner on a certain aircraft carrier. Oiy.

by thereallargejames on Oct 5, 2009 11:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought about that...

But this time, the mission actually was accomplished. Now, we’re on to a new mission.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 5, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Danny did a good job rebuilding the bench, but should not stop now....

We needed a back up power forward / center Danny got one big time in Rasheed.
We needed a back up small forward Danny got a talented one in Daniels.
We needed to retain Big Baby Danny resigned him to a new contract.
We needed a replacement for Leon Powe Danny got a bigger, taller healthier version of Powe by signing Williams.
We needed a back up point guard, Danny got one by drafting a talented college player in Hudson.

So he did a good job to date.

Danny though needs to do more.

He must trade Scalabrine and Tony Allen who are limited in talent, for more talented players who can help us now.

I agree with fordescort’s comments that if Danny can move Scal for a legit 7ft back up center (no one special just someone like Scott Pollard etc.) who can give us size, defense and rebounding at the 5 position, that would be ideal insurance to obtain.

Even though Williams can do spot duty at center, he is not a legit center and if injury strikes Perk or Rasheed are only 2 true centers, then we will not have a legit center on the bench again just like last year and will be in trouble again.

Also trying to trade Tony Allen for a stronger, taller defensive small forward would be great as we will need someone capable of doing the job aside from Daniels when we face Lebron in the playoffs.

So good job Danny so far on building the bench, but keep on trying to improve it.

by leothetiger on Oct 5, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This season

If everyone stays healthy (on all teams that matter) this is going to be a hell of a year. I dont remember ever going into an NBA season with teams this stacked.

celtics: PP, Ray, KG, Sheed, Rondo, Perk, BBD,
lakers: Kobe, Artest, Gasol, Bynum, Odom
Spurs: TimD, Parker, Manu, Jefferson, Finley

this is just amazing!

by 00dc2 on Oct 5, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget the Cavs...

They added Shaq, Moon, and Parker to a team that won 66 games and only lost 2 home games all year.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 5, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent point

It’s easy for us to sort of downplay how nice the summer was for the Cavs. Those are good players. Cavs are DEEP.

by Cousin It on Oct 6, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah its ridiculous what they managed last year with the team they had..

its a shame the magic lost hedo for vince.. now thats “insanity”

by 00dc2 on Oct 5, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's Hope DA doesn't hang a Banner that says "Mission Accomplished"

Somebody else did that a bit prematurely….

Mission Accomplished = Banner 18

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Oct 5, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and I do think in terms of an offeseason of movements

it was 99% positive – nice article Roy “PP” Hobbs

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Oct 5, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Po

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 5, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget the Magic who added......

Vince Carter. BoooooHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

by thereallargejames on Oct 5, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Last summer

Would this summer be as great if we made some of the moves you were proposing last year?

I’d rather have Sheed than anyone else available last year. MD is icing on the cake.

We don’t get either if we made the moves last year, and yet we were still in serious playoff contention.

God bless and good night!

by BrickJames on Oct 5, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

huh?

I agree with all of you, even when you disagree…(I guess that about covers it, lol)

by thirstyboots18 on Oct 5, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought “Rasheed is great but i really love BBD, theres no chance they get both…”

And then they did!

Then i thought grant hill was an awesome choice but i thought it was either Hill or nothing, then we got Marquis.

THEN i thought a 4 man Big lineup is good but i’d like to have that end of the line guy who can fill in for injuries. BAM! Shelden Williams.

by jesse_stoneham on Oct 5, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

B plus

This was a b plus off season the only reason it isn’t an A because we don’t know how good Sheed is he kind of dogged it at the end of last season. But I love the Marquis Daniels signing I think it was one of the most underrated moves of the summer. I am so excited for basketball this season

by Bigpapi34 on Oct 5, 2009 6:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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