Glen Davis - Then and Now: Less is More
There is little doubt that Glen Davis’ NBA journey has not been a straight line upward. No, it hasn’t been a bouncing ball (no jokes) either.
In a year where Glen has gotten leaner and stronger than at anytime previously in his career, his theme, like the rest of the team’s theme this season might be: Less is More.
Glen Davis has shown intriguing potential since his college days at LSU. His college career wasn’t a straight line of success either.
Making it to the 2006 NCAA Final Four, the LSU Tigers, led by Davis and teammate Tyrus Thomas took out new Celtic teammate, Shelden Williams’ Duke team and LaMarcus Aldridge’s Texas Longhorns to get there.
The Tigers and Davis ran out of gas against the UCLA Bruins of Aaron Afflalo and Jordan Farmer, getting beaten handily.
Glen was considered a potential first round pick but decided to stay at LSU for his junior year. Tyrus Thomas went on to be drafted 4th overall by the Chicago Bulls.
The lone low post option now, teams loaded up defensively against Glen in 2006-7, and both the Tigers record and Davis’ reputation took a hit as they finished just 17-15, after going 29-7 in 2006.
His fate was decided from the very first game of his 2006-7 season…
LSU Coach John Brady…
They were almost playing a man zone, which didn’t allow us to get the ball into Glen. We understand we are going to see some of that. His teammates have to help him by making some outside jump shots."
They apparently didn’t make very many all season.
A few games later, Wichita State coach Mark Turgeon…
‘We did a great job on the big fellow (Glen Davis), double-teaming."
Oh come on. Quadruple teaming a Baby? check this next one out.....
Washington Head Coach Lorenzo Romar on defending Glen Davis…
We just wanted to limit his touches. When he did touch the ball we wanted to make sure that we loaded up on him in the paint, meaning that four guys would be in the paint.
One of those four was future Sacramento King center Spencer Hawes. That just ain't right.
Welcome to the nightly swamp full of alligators. What’s a Big Baby to do?
Without a replacement for the departed Thomas, and outside shooting by his teammates MIA, Glen was attracting double, triple, and even quadruple teams. He somehow managed to score (17.7) and rebound (10.4), but the team barely played over .500 for the year.
Did all those double, triple teams as the team's go-to guy induce Glen to attempt to do a bit more than he should have? Probably.
Davis’ may have tried to carry the scoring weight for the Tigers, but his own weight was an ongoing concern for NBA decision-makers. He dropped out of the 1st round, falling to a waiting Danny Ainge, who requested that Seattle draft him as their second round pick and add him into the trade for Ray Allen.
During his best season, Draftexpress' 2006 college scouting reports accurately painted the picture a unique basketball player…
Athletically, Davis is very rare. A player his size, with his strength and bulk, combined with his unique agility and nimbleness on the court does not come along very often. He has very quick feet, and can get up and down the court a lot better than most would assume. Davis is a mountain of a man, an immoveable object in the paint in many respects because of his wide body and physical strength. He has massive arms and looks like he could bench press a truck if really wanted too.The key is that he knows how to use his strength, too. It is not wasted on the court; he can use it when carving space for himself to post up, or to limit post players from setting up where they want to in the paint on offense. Another intriguing part of his game is that he is very coordinated for a big man, and has huge and soft, but strong hands on defense and offense.
That is dead on. But they also noted his weaknesses…
Davis has quite a few weaknesses to his game as far as his NBA potential goes.
The first would be his size. At 6-8, Davis is severely undersized for an NBA power forward already. Although being 310+ pounds works for him currently in the NCAA, NBA teams will have to see some type of potential for him to get under 280 pounds if they are even going to take him seriously.His extra weight already limits him severely from getting off the ground to finish around the hoop or get rebounds out of his area. Conditioning issues have been a major problem for Davis throughout his career because of all the extra weight he carries, and shedding most of his excess baggage could go a long ways in making him even more nimble on the court.
Second is how he appears to force the issue excessively by going away from his strengths and trying to play too much like a guard rather than going inside and banging down low, especially in terms of using his ball-handling. ….he must adapt himself to becoming more of a role player that can do all the little things and play to his strengths.
For those who didn’t think that Davis had a jump shot before this season….he certainly did…
Another very surprisingly aspect of Davis’s game is that he has a very developed mid-range jump shot. He can shoot efficiently and effectively from the 15-17 foot range or even beyond and shows great shooting touch for a man his size.
Davis really likes shooting at the top of the key in the circle, which is where he is most effective if left open.
And note that Glen has used that fade away before to effective use….
When he is on the block posting up, Davis also has a very good fade-away jump shot that he can use off of a spin move. As the SEC player of the year, he’s a true go-to player for his team and will look for his shot in all situations to try and carry his team offensively.
That brings us to today. Glen’s role will grow somewhat and be reduced at the same time with the addition of Rasheed.
Doc Rivers on the Dennis and Callahan Show on WEEI recently…
Q: Will Baby’s roll change significantly this year?
Not really. His minutes probably will change obviously. They’ll probably be similar to what they were before Kevin was hurt. No…Baby just has to keep growing. Keep maturing as a person on and off the floor. Offensively, we want him to do the same things. Make the open shot.He will roll to the post more when he’s playing with Rasheed, because we want Rasheed pulling guys away from the basket, and it gets a mismatch going back to the post so, in that way it will.
We want to limit Baby’s turnovers. He’s a high turnover guy at times last year when he tried to do too much and we want to convince Baby he doesn’t have to do too much. If it’s open (the shot) take it. If not, move the ball.
Regarding pick and roll, here what the 2006 scouting report said…
On offense if there is one play that Davis can execute to perfection it is the pick and roll. It all starts with his ability to set a great screen with his wide body, and then use his quickness to get open followed by implementing his fine short-range jump shooting ability. He is a pick and pop player and if he gets in trouble he knows how to pass his way out of a double team. Davis is comfortable with the basketball in his hands and simply goes out and makes plays.
So his role in the pick and roll changes to - roll to the hoop. Doc said that Davis can be clever and effective around the hoop. He wants Davis to work on improving that aspect. Glen uses his body well around the hoop and draws contact and makes fouls shots at 71% (same as college), good enough to make teams pay, yet another area he can improve on with the deft shooting touch he has shown.
Doc wants Glen to work on using his body a bit more. So Glen can expand his limited role in a strictly disciplined game to include more scoring around the hoop. The potential is there. He just needs to get the chance to work on it in games.
Doc Rivers has another homework assignment for Glen…
We want to limit Baby’s turnovers. He’s a high turnover guy at times last year when he tried to do too much and we want to convince Baby he doesn’t have to do too much. If it’s open (the shot) take it. If not, move the ball.
Less is more. But I believe that Glen can actually be a very good passer. He has shown good instincts passing at times. As he continues to be more relaxed on the court that should improve.
After re-signing with a two year contract, what is Glen Davis’ mindset this season?…
I’m here. I got a lot of experience being in the playoffs and being in primetime situation. With my past experience, I think Doc trusts me more as a player. Seeing me handle it… handling practice in a professional way everyday. I’m just trying to work hard every day. You know…consistency and making sure that I can contribute on the bench.
What’s new for you this year?
It’s kind of different with Rasheed. You know he (Doc) gives me the option to do whatever, but with Rasheed being such a three point threat, I most definitely have to be the 5 guy with Rasheed in the game. Good thing about it is the fact that me being the five guy in the game, it’s hard for a (opposing) five to guard a guy like me on offense.
And on defense I can guard fives, fours, whoever Rasheed wants me to guard, I’ll guard. You know…I’m just trying to help my team.
But last year, having the opportunity to show what I can do in the league, it’s like…you can play the game, so don’t worry about it if you don’t play as much. Everybody knows you can play. Everybody knows you can hit big shots. Coaches know that.
So, it’s not about proving myself anymore. Now, it’s about becoming the best player you can be. I think this year is going to help me, you know, help to build that base up to be that great player.
So what’s the next step for you to do that?
Stay mentally focused. Also, stay in shape. That’s what I’ve been working on this off season. Just staying in shape. Making sure that I’m in shape, because you never know, it might be your time. And that’s all I’m looking forward to is….helping my team wherever they need me. That’s basically it.
I’m just trying to fit in and do the right thing.
Davis has had his faults or areas that need improvement. That has been evident. But I saw the potential. I still do. He has not shown all of his abilities yet. And they need time to develop on the court. It seems like he will get a chance to do that a little bit more this season.
Davis has done the right thing. Now he is fitting in - to a smaller jersey. In lesser minutes, he will have an increasing role on the team. Less… is more. And the more it helps the Celtics’ drive for banner 18.
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Definitely have loved BBD
Loved how he looked in LSU, loved his development with the Celtics, there’s no question he’s come a long way, and his journey’s just beginning. :
by Tai on Oct 8, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hard to believe you mentioned Wichita State amd their ex-coach Turgeon
I know him….good coach.
Very nice article……..his box score looks solid from last night….no TO’s 2 steals, 1 BS, 50 % from the field a couple offensive boards. Yet i read by someone on here they thought he played a poor game last night?
I certainly have confidence in him to do the right things on the court. He has a nose for the ball, he hustles, he has soft hands, some unique shots, good footwork and certainly not afraid to mix it up underneath.
He is a modern day Wes Unseld in my opinion with a better shot. Most of you too young to know who I am taking about but oh well
Nice stuff TT
Is it Soup Yet?
by Master Po on Oct 8, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What Po Said . . .
well, with the exception that I don’t know Coach Turgeon.
And if BBD turns into the next Wes Unseld, then I hope he stays here forever. I think he’ll need to improve and be consistent with his rebounding to be in Unseld’s camp. But I like the comparison.
by amenhotep04 on Oct 8, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I think...
Unseld might be stretching things a bit. That man was a walking tree stump.
Baby is far more mobile than Unseld, but nowhere near as strong. He has a way to go yet and this year his growth will be limited. But improving in the areas mentione din th earticle are all we need from him right now.
Thanks, Master Po. You know Turgeon? That’s kind of cool, I would guess.
by tenaciousT on Oct 8, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I should clarify about Turgeon - don't want to be a name dropper
I live in Wichita and have some friends who are the number one contributors to the the Wichita State Athletic program thru their company. I have met him a couple of times in pre-game stuff. He knows my good friend very well. I watched him coach and play a lot – he is a good young solid coach
I don’t have his cell #…
Is it Soup Yet?
by Master Po on Oct 8, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was....Darn
I was going to call him and tell him to stop doubling the babester.
Actually, his team just beat another final four team, the week before they beat LSU in that article
by tenaciousT on Oct 8, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
after seeing what he was capable of last year
it’s pretty exciting to have BBD as your 4th big man. The kid can play, and now has a strong head on his shoulders to give him the confidence to go out and perform.
This quote is very telling: “But last year, having the opportunity to show what I can do in the league, it’s like…you can play the game, so don’t worry about it if you don’t play as much. Everybody knows you can play.”
by WillyBeamin on Oct 8, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade Asset
I like BBD, but I have said it before and still believe that BBD was signed primarily as a trade chip. I see BBD as a very solid role player but not a star and in the NBA you win with STAR! In the early part of the season he will be invaluable if KG has problems with his knee. If KG is healthy, BBD then becomes a valued trade chip (this year or next), especially if he keeps his weight in checK. I think his true value to the Celts is as a trade chip to help bring in the next KG or Ray or a player that gets us to Banner 18.
by badax33 on Oct 8, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so Badax
Sheldon Williams is going to have to come a long, long way to replace Baby’s value. I wouldn’t agree that he can’t be a star. He WANTS it, he’s coachable, he has met “earn your playing time” and he has met “improve your shot”. He has very, very good hands, has shown he can throw guys like Tim Duncan out of rhythm. Please don’t give us any “wingspan” statistics. Pat O’Bryant had all the wingspan you could dream of.
Having said all that, I do agree that he’s probably not your star. But he is what gets a star his ring (and vice versa). Just ask LeBron.
by Wildblu1 on Oct 8, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe yes, Maybe No
Actually, I should have said STARS not STAR. Boston has 3, LA has 2, SA has 3, Cleve has 1 Orlando has 1. Who are the 3 favorites to win the championship this year – LA, Boston and SA in most polls. We are going to have to replace the Big 3 soon. I think that’s where BBD will be a valuable trade chip. I see him getting enough minutes to water some teams mouth, but not enough to really expose his shortcomings.
BBD’s two biggest limitations are his height 6’7" maybe and his weight. He plays below the rim which limits his ability in the post. He’s not a good rebounder. His defense is marginal to adequate (he’s actually pretty good against Big Centers due to his low center of gravity, but a liability against quicker players). He’s a nice role player. Every team needs them, but you once you have the stars the role players want to come to your team – Posey, House, Sam, PJ, Sheed, Quisy to name a few..
I’m not trying to Dis BBD. He’s a nice player. He’s a good team mate. I do worry about his weight, especially because he played at 300-320 lbs last year. Look at guys like Oliver Miller, Michael Sweetney, Tractor Traylor they all ate themselves out of the league. When you start out close to 300 it doesn’t take many more to end your career. He seems to have his weight under control now, which is a good thing. But I truly believe that Danny signed him to a reasonable contract as insurance for KG and then to use him as a trade chip.
by badax33 on Oct 9, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still not sold
I thought he was slow to rotate (and move his feet on D), high on turnovers while low on efficiency, and a subpar rebounder. I’ll gladly admit that he’s improved, but I think he has a relatively short ceiling. I also think he’s easily replaceable in the lineup, and statistically is not a great option to have on the floor.
Because of the above, I was ECSTATIC that the Celtics got Rasheed. The overall upgrade was enormous.
by TomHamilton30 on Oct 8, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I predict Rasheed by year end will fade and we will be glad we have BBD come playoff time
Is it Soup Yet?
by Master Po on Oct 8, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sill learning who's who on the board
But I know you haven’t been a Baby believer….and I understand the reasons why.
the reason for my reply here is…
did you pick TomHamilton because that is the name of Glen’s agent?
Or is that some sort of bizarro world coincidence?
Just curious.
by tenaciousT on Oct 8, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Question
The name developed over a long period of time, but basically started back in the early/mid 90’s. I was born in 1980 and watched everygame I could remember for years. The Celtics by mid 90’s had a serious lack of a center issue (which when Duncan went to the Spurs was the equivalent of throwing salt in the Celtic’s wound), except they happened to sign a guy named Tom Hamilton to a 10-day contract.
Tom was 7’2" and about 400 lbs, approximately lol. He had no vertical but had great hands and great passing. He was vastly out of shape, but as a teenager I found him hilarious to watch. He did have potential as he was the only person I’ve ever seen back down Shaq. After a few games of him playing I was able to get tickets (finally! first tickets in years). I showed up with a big “30” on my shirt (his number), painted my face and arms green, and had a big green mitt (which I took from my little brother’s game called “slap happy”). Unfortunately Tom was let go, but I had joked about him for years.
Eventually my little brother bought me a custom Tom Hamilton jersey while in Korea for the Air Force, which resurrected the joke. My fantasy teams have customarily been named after him.
I actually didn’t even know that Baby’s agent was called Tom Hamilton lol.
Thankfully though Tom Hamilton (the player) lives on in that he has passed his number 30 to Rasheed. (Blount had it for awhile, which was insulting). Thanks to Tom I get to watch less BBD :)
by TomHamilton30 on Oct 8, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
that is quite a story.
Seems like I vaguely remember him now. But i can remember other things that never happened. It’s a gift.
So, I now dub you ‘Tom Hamilton’…… Glen Davis’ agent.
And it sound like you have issues with overweight players. I’m calling the PC police and having them send two very overweight officers over to make the arrest. You’ll be in all the papers by morning. j/K ;)
by tenaciousT on Oct 8, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overweight Police Officers
Isn’t that being redundant?
:)
by amenhotep04 on Oct 9, 2009 6:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great article - thanks!
I’m completely sold on Baby. I think he’s going to be a special player, especially since he seems committed to continually improving his body and his skills.
by Cousin It on Oct 8, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks C I
I’m actually surprised at the number of Davis supporters on this board. I’m used to arguing from a minority position about him. Most of my blogger colleagues don’t seem to share my optimism.
But there are a number of vocal supporters here. Interesting.
by tenaciousT on Oct 8, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glen Davis Proved his worth to me in May.
Keep pumpin, ain't worried bout nuttin
Busters thought we was frontin, so reload and keep dumpin
Keep Sleeping on Orlando...
by BS Patrol on Oct 8, 2009 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Im sure he will prove it to you guys again in the playoffs :-)
What did you say to me paper champion?
-Mr.T
by CaliforniaGreen on Oct 8, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What he really is
1. A banger against Shaq, Howard, Bynum et all.
2. 6 more fouls, especially against Shaq.
3. A rest break for the Big Guys, who can set a screen.
by Dipper on Oct 8, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree Dipper....
I also think Babys main role is to be a banger and enforcer off the bench.
He can come in and play very, very physical against Shaq, Howard, etc. and other bigs and disrupt thier games and possibly get them in foul trouble.
He is built for that type of role so the C’s must try to utilize him in that manner.
Though Baby is currently a nice role player to have coming off our bench, but he must improve his rebounding if he truly wants to be a effective power forward off our bench.
by celtics #1 on Oct 9, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 2nd year is always the test...
Remember Brandon Hunter? Undersized power forward that was pressed into duty for a streak of games one season. He played well until he was scouted & his weaknesses were exposed. (No jumper, lack of size).
I thought Baby would have similar success and similar failures. The difference is that Baby has a reliable jumper, decent footwork and good post moves. He proved that he wasn’t a 1 hit wonder in the playoffs last year.
The real benefit is that he was motivated to come back even better this season. With the C’s frontcourt depth, I don’t think he’ll have the same opportunities, but he is positioning himself as a sub Doc can put in without hesitation.
by LuckyNumber07 on Oct 8, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anatomical Observation
Confucius say BBD picture trigger memory of Bum Phillips’ comment after seeing Earl Campbell’s lower legs…“Those aren’t calves, they’re cows!”
by charlie chan on Oct 8, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bbd has to get his goodly share of boards-it’s that simple. he doesn’t board, he is a perennial sub with skills. he gets his fair share of boards, he moves up the ladder.
by nazzbo on Oct 8, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Baby must improve his rebounding !
if he wants to develop into a really effective power forward.
This is the weakest part of his game that he must improve.
by fordescort on Oct 8, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
This is the part of his game that he must work on.
If he can improve his boxing out and positioning skills he should be able to become a better rebounder.
by celtics #1 on Oct 9, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont know about wes unseld comparison he was a lockdown defender ,rebounding ,shot blocker…….better to me would be a more polished athletic tractor traylor or anthony mason without the handle he could handle the rock for his size ..i love big baby i really believe if he stays focused he can be our big version of vinnie johnson “the microwave” we’ll call him the oven, warm it up baby
by reggie_35 on Oct 8, 2009 11:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Futures
I look at Baby as an excellent insurance chip. If we lose any of Perk, Sheed or KG to a short term….2-3 week injury, Baby can step in and we do not lose much in terms of overall production. Davis has a unique skill set with his mobility and strength in the paint to go along with a decent jumper. Helps us with a different look when he is in the game, a dimension (yuk yuk) that we dont have with our other bigs if you will.
I dont think he is a long term solution at the starting PF with us right now but that will depend who else is starting. If we have the right complimentary players, who knows?
"First fix their hearts"-Eizo Shimabuku
by billysan on Oct 9, 2009 8:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Baby must become our banger and enforcer.....
His job should be to come in and bang the hell out of opposing bigs as he defends the low post, to disrupt their games and get them in foul trouble.
If he can score for us while in the game that’s gravy.
He could also be a Charles Oakley type player (for those of you who recall him) if he can improve his rebounding.
He can play a vital role for this club and help them win a championship if he does all the above.
by celtics #1 on Oct 9, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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