Do it, Danny! We get rid of some junk (TA, JR), we lose Scal but we get back a player who fits this team perfectly. Paul finally gets a backup and Nocioni can be that small shooting 4 we have been missing since Posey left.

Nocioni`s contract is quite big but it is decreasing and it expires the same year as Sheed`s and KG`s. And if we extend Ray for around 7 million next season (+Eddie, Daniels) we should be at around same cap number as this year, so it shouldn`t be a problem…

Nocioni can hit the three and is a very gritty defender. A little dirty, played in a lot of big games in Europe and with his NT team, so he would be a great fit here.

We would have a superb 10 man rotation if this actually happened…

That money could be put to better use in the future.

That money limits the C’s options over the next couple of seasons in free agency. If ownership is willing to spend, and spend some more in the future, then it’s all good. But if they’re not, I’d pass due to financial considerations.

It would be beautiful to see House + Daniels + Nocioni + Sheed complete a nine man rotation.

No question I do that deal. We’re not giving up anything useful.

i for one would wait and look for younger legs

we’ve got ending contracts and a chance to open roster spots for other additions…eg-Lue?..if Danny likes him than sign me up …but maybe we get a better salary dump come feb??

People act like it’s a question of swapping non-performers for Nocioni, but there is way more to this deal. It’s about taking on MLE salary for a poor defending, perimeter oriented player. Don’t we have enough questionable defense and perimeter orientation on the 2nd unit already?

Fact is, if Nocioni came aboard, we’d have trouble justifying resigning Daniels next season, and would be pinched in our ability to resign Ray and Perk (after next season). All three of those players are better and more important than Nocioni…

He’s the book on Nocioni—too slow to guard 3s, too short to guard 4s…his only plus skill is his 3 point percentage, but his overall shooting #s aren’t that good.

Where did people get the idea that Nocioni is a poor defender? It is like some of you have never seen him play…

Marreese Speights injury in all of this?

I wonder if that info in the article was processed before the Speights injury.

Brand is not playing well and that would leave Kenny Thomas and Jason Smith as their center options

about Nocioni.

There are things I like, but I understand the hesitation by some on this one. If I had watched him play more lately it would help, I think.

Just in terms of the talent exchange, C’s come out way ahead.

The crux of the deal is the $. Nocioni would be getting paid a lot of money for the bench—highest salary I believe of the bench brigade. Sheed and BBD have their $ for after this year but Marquis, Williams and House may look to Noc’s contract and want more than they would offered by the C’s if Noc wasn’t with the team.

I wouldn’t be heartbroken to see House go – Hudson looks like he might be able to fill that spot next year-better ballhandler, defender, rebounder and has shown some range on his shot. Can also create his own shot if needed. Marquis and Williams have definitely shown they’re worth more than they’re getting paid currently.

The thing to keep in mind regarding team salary is that the team isn’t bringing in any significant FA’s while the big 3 are still here and collecting big paychecks. Danny’s best option for this year through next summer is using trades to solidify the bench and if the trades can solidify it for multiple years, that’s even better.

Moving TA, Scal and Giddens to bring in a performer is a good step in that direction. If Hudson can show he’s capable of filling Eddie’s shoes offensively this year, (definitely not my expectations but I wouldn’t be surprised if he took Eddie’s spot next year), House will be moved too. Next year, if Williams is brought back, don’t be surprised to see BBD and Walker moved to reinforce the bench brigade (unless BBD and Walker are both playing exceptionally well as bench players).

That’s why Danny makes the big bucks. He needs to look at today, but also into the future and answer two questions. Will Nocioni make the team better. Will the cost cause us problems in the future. As one poster noted we may not be able to re-sign several of our present good players if this is done. Fans are in panic mode now because of 2 straight losses, but Danny is great at seeing past that.

For TA, Scal, and JR? A hardnosed 3-4, gives us the option of playing some small ball, can stroke the 3 ala Posey, can give Pierce some much needed rest. I think it’d be the end of running PP or Ray into the ground. Contract runs for 2 more years after this, just like KG and Sheed’s (not even counting the 3rd year at team option).

People are so concerned about what this does to our financial flexibility in the future. I, for one, think that THIS year is our best chance for a championship, considering age of our big 3 and Sheed. Sheed, KG, PP, and Ray will all be another year slower and beyond their primes next year (let alone two years from now), so we need to be maximizing our chances this year, not being overly concerned about salary implications next year and the year after.

I hope Danny pulls the trigger on this. Then, the final piece would be adding a vet PG (if that’s making Lue a player, then so be it).

Nothing is guaranteed in basketball and with Boston’s aging core, how can you pass this up ? Giving up next to nothing for Nocioni is a gift !
Deals like this don’t come around often. He’s a perfect player to come to Boston.

House’s continued effectiveness is not guaranteed and Daniels has not really proven himself here in the regular season.
I actually would rather have Nocioni than House.
He’s a better all-around player in my opinion.

Nocioni hasnt been productive in 2 years. He will absolutley destroy any opportunity to sign any new players in the next 2 years, especially with the bad economic climate, there should be some good players available for cheap. A la Marquis and Sheed this year. No reason that more players might find themselves out of work…If your going to work cheap, might as well be with the championship caliber celts…

Nocioni is a horrible player, but he is horribly overpaid and probably isnt going to be getting much better…I think it really limits this teams options going further and its not really worth it.

i meant he is not a horrible player

If so, then isn’t it worth it?

By the way, is he really that lousy a defender? Seems like not so much of a deal if he can’t guard the 3 spot.

Also re: PP re-sign $$$ – I have a feeling he’ll restructure or at least sign for long years and smaller salary – something like 5 years/ 40-45. I think he wants to cement his legacy here and will take the hometown discount to do it.

I’d kinda rather just keep Scal… He gives us 3pt shooting at the 3/4 and plays gritty defense too, just for a fraction of the cost.

A couple things:
We don’t need to upgrade this roster now, we are bulletproof 1-9;
and looking to next year I don’t think Ray will be looking to take an 8 figure pay cut, and in that scenario I’d prefer any extra $ go towards keeping Daniels and Perk over Nocioni.
And we’ll still be able to re-sign Scal for vet min $ and get 85% of what Noc would have given us anyways without the risk.

not even trying (sounds like so)?

We really have no chance of siging any free agents in the next 2 years. Without Ray and with PP opting out this summer we’d be a 42M. That wouldn’t allow us to sign a max player. Also, do we want to sign Quisy, Eddie and or Williams that comes out first (cap holds). If we renounce, those guys, we’d have to replace with Vet min because we really wouldn’t have the MLE next year as that is rolled in to the cap. So how do we sign free agents?

Further, my guess is that we are going to sign Qusiy for probably 3 years at about 10M using the MLE and possibly use some of the MLE for Eddie and maybe Williams. I think we’ll try to sign Ray for 3 years 27-30M. Then depending on PP who can opt out, I’m hoping he won’t or will take a lower salary to keep the squad together as comprised. And we’ll need to sign Perk after next year and it won’t be for 4M either closer to 8-10M per year.

Maybe you can tell me how we sign FAs with the way our cap and team is currently structured. I don’t see it unless we renounce Ray and PP and then KG and Perk when their deals are up. Of course that means 20 win seasons and the lottery!!!!!

Why would Sacramento do Nacioni + Thomas for crap (Dalembert + Giddens)?

Trading 3 essentially expiring players, no matter who they are, for Nocioni sounds terrible to me. With Sheed and Baby coming back, we really don’t need any more perimeter-shooting 3/4s, and Tony is a much better defensive player than Nocioni. Worse, I don’t see how it helps us this year. Nocioni’s “gritty”, but he isn’t good.

Assume they make the cap room by getting Allen and Pierce down on their next deals, plus letting House roll at years end. Sheldon is not worth more, he’s an almost big body and solid, but he’s not more than a fourth big man, you can find a guy to fill that spot again for a vet min.

They come back next year with:

Perk / Sheed
KG / Baby
Pierce / Noccioni
Allen / Daniels
Rondo / Hudson

plus Walker and a 1st, in the current rotation, the only guys you can upgrade are Sheldon and House, and Noccioni allows you to do both (IMO.)

Marreese Speights just went down for a few months and so Dalambert is now starting center. Brand isn’t back fully yet for the sixers. When would this trade take place if it happened? Does the Speights injury put any kind of damper on this?

From a talent standpoint of view, it makes a lot of sense to trade for Nocioni. Nocioni would be the best player in the deal, and after that we would probably sign a player who is better than any of Tony/Scal/Giddens.

We don’t need anymore scorers. i’d say get one more marquis daniels type player. a young guy. please don’t get ai!

Although, bidding farewell to TA and Scal sounds very appealing.

admitedly I haven’t seen Noce play in a while but I always thought he was a tough, hard nosed guy who made things happen. He can defend, has an inside game and can hit the outside shot. He also rebounds well. I don’t see a problem with him Baby and SHelden. Having Nocioni would allow KG more rest both in games and in practice and it would help fill the void until baby gets back. I think he would pair well with baby or williams up front and on a second unit with house, sheed and Daniels he would provide an inside game as well as interior defense. I’ve grown to like scal and he is a heady player for us but he’s had at least 3 concussions and is one hit away from never playing again and tony allen can’t get on the court because of injuries. JR giddens may become a player but he’s not one now. If we did this deal we also open up roster spots plus PT for walker at the 3. We could sign sweetney and develop him and we could also sign another guard- preferably one who can defend the perimter and shoot the deep ball/ so overall I like this deal a lot.

look, the sixers are playing for only 2 things: 1) a lottery pick and 2) cap space next summer so they can take a run at some big time free agents. Brand hasn’t worked out and speights is injured. i have no idea where tony allen and scal fit on this roster but if the sixers do this deal they’re waving the white flag

I saw the Herald report that the Celts aren’t in the deal. However, when was the last time that Danny or anyone in the Celts organization said they were actively tryng to trade anyone. It seems to me that Danny even denied that he put Rondo on the market this summer. Later I think he said he put Rondo out only to “guage the interest and to try and determine a fair market value”. Coming from the Celts organization or any GM really doesn’t convince me that we aren’t invovled in the deal!!!!!!!!!!l

What’s all this fuss about next year? We add Nocioni, our bench becomes like another starting five. Anyone notice Pierce’s knee? Ahem.
Do it. Sweat next year next year. This year, to me, is our last chance at a title. I know that’s pretty alarmist, but if Danny’s got a chance to load up, load up!

Hah, good one. You hit the nail on the head: maximize. It sounds like the updates are suggesting we don’t have the money to be a player here, so maybe it’s a moot point. But I’d do whatever it takes to load up. I just get really nervous about how all three are or have been injury prone. This is the year.

learn from the patriots’ example-you don’t just throw $$ around. nocioni is a good, hard nosed player but way too much salary. besides, as doc doesn’t play hudson but in garbage time, and now has eddied bringin the ball up, we need a backup point more.

Look at NY. They’re getting desperate and would love the expiring contracts. Scal, Tony Allen, and JR in expiring contracts could be worth almost 7million for a good player. You could pry Jared Jeffries from the Knicks and he would be a way better defender at the 4 than Nocioni. Plus Jeffries has only a 2 year deal.

Package Glen Davis, Tony Allen, Scal, and JR, and you could get back Monte Ellis. We would be a fastest backcourt in the NBA.

Even Minnesota is trying to dump salary, so why not Ryan Gomes for expiring deals? He’d be a perfect back up to Pierce and is a team guy.

These are just options that comes to mind at the moment. Basically, what it comes down to is that there are better deals out there, and if Danny waits, he’s going to get better deals, as teams fire sale on a losing season, or get desperate for Lebronanthon 2010.