A Late Run Is Enough
The Detroit Pistons of a few years ago made a habit out of playing lackluster basketball for 2 and a half quarters, flipping a switch, dominating for a half a quarter, and then coasting to the win. Sound familiar?
After a sloppy first half, the Celtics came out in the 3rd quarter and ...kept playing sloppy. However, after Coach Clifford Ray told the team to start playing like "Junkyard Dogs" they put the clamps down on defense and followed Rondo's lead on offense.
I never liked it when the Pistons pulled that routine and I didn't really like it much tonight. The danger with letting teams like this hang around that long is that sometimes they don't go away and they steal a win. But a win is a win. I just hope they know how to turn it on in the playoffs and against the better teams.
The good news, of course, is that they finished well. Which wasn't the case against the Hawks or Pacers.
Pierce didn't show too many signs of being injured and finished strong with 19 points to lead the team. Rondo had a great stat line with 18 points, 12 assists, and 7 rebounds. Nice game for Perk with 15 and 7. A well rounded scoring effort as 6 scored in double figures and Sheed added 8.
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Time to disagree.
15-7 isn’t nice. It should have been more like 15-12, or 15-15.
I want to see us rebound a heck of a lot more. Bring the physicality under the hoop. Right now, we’re playing like sissies and I’m definitely not liking it.
Sorry for being a bit harsh there, but I’m really not feeling our D atm.
- Dirk van Boxtel, the wandering Celtic fan.
@DaarisDirk
good game
C’s played well tonight I am happy
I need the channel you were watching!
‘cuz What I saw wasn’t all that great :P
- Dirk van Boxtel, the wandering Celtic fan.
@DaarisDirk
here is the channel
109-95, check it out on your TV, its a pretty good channel.
You clearly are clueless, Pump.
We should have beaten the Warriors easily, and even though we did by double digits, it is the way they won that made this game a stinker.
I’m sorry but the Celtics are still not back and it’s just pathetic to see the defense at the moment. Even my college basketball team can score easily against the Celtics with the way they are handling their defense.
I actually quit watching the game after the first half just because I know they aren’t putting any effort and it’s sickening to watch. If I see another lackluster from them again anytime soon, I’m just gonna pull the hair out of my head.
you are right, sir
Celtics won by 14, that is not an easy win. That have to win by at least 60 every night, otherwise they won’t be ready for the playoffs.
by Pumpupthejam on Nov 18, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, I see Pumpupthejam's point.
We won. By a solid point differential.
We’re just very “bad” fans, in that we’re overly critical of the seven to ten human beings that are on the court every game.
- Dirk van Boxtel, the wandering Celtic fan.
@DaarisDirk
Hehehe, good one :)
But still matey, it wasn’t that big of a win.
Btw, no harm was intended in my first reply! merely a bit of sarcasm while trying to state that I didn’t agree ;)
- Dirk van Boxtel, the wandering Celtic fan.
@DaarisDirk
I actually agree, Pump
I swear, we have some of the whiniest fans in basketball. I guess not being a fairweather fan and watching the Celts lose 24 straight a few seasons back has taught me to not panic.
I mean, we lose 2 games and people are ready to go off the deep end like our season is already over. No, the guys haven’t been playing great ball and energy could definitely use a boost from time to time, but its still fairly early in the season and you’ve got new guys on the bench, one of which is used to being a starter, so there’s going to be bumps in the road every now and then.
Fans keep griping about the players, but we need to buck up as fans and ride it out. Now, if they’re playing like this come January and after the all-star break, I’ll start being concerned. For now, they won tonight. Not a pretty win, but I’ll certainly take it.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
The problem with being satisfied today...
…is that they will lose most of the time if they play like this. The first half was some of the worst basketball we’ve ever seen this team play. I thought I was watching the Boston Zombies. Just disgusting… no energy AT ALL… hell, they were missing bunnies because they were too lazy to jump for the dunk. To say nothing of the non-existent D.
Then Rondo hit his FT, and woke up. That apparently meant a lot to him… a good sign. The team generally played very well in the 2nd part of the 3rd quarter, and that was enough to secure the win against the very depleted, pathetic non-team that is the Warriors. (Man, those guys sure look unhappy.) But that is NOT, as in NO WAY, going to be enough to win against any good NBA team. Which would of course include our Friday opponents, Jameer-less though they may be.
mouthguards the reason why we're not talking on defense?
I keep hearing how we’re not communicating on defense… maybe that’s the reason why? It seems like a lot of players are wearing them who didn’t wear them before.
timing
The team timing seemed to be off somehow until half way through the third quarter. I kept thinking “the team needs to get away somewhere to meld”….like the trip to Italy in the championship year seemed to get them all on the same page. I love this team. On paper they should be winning every game by a large margin, and they mostly do, but games are not played on paper. I do think, though, that as KG finds his center again we will get stronger. Rondo played a good game (even though there was a lot of complaining in the chat room about his free throws). Win as many as you can, any way that you can, and it becomes a habit…a good habit…winning.
by thirstyboots18 on Nov 18, 2009 10:33 PM EST reply actions
i like the Pistons comparison by Jeff. I was thinking the same thing over the last few games. Sheed has brought that attitude with him, i think. Well, the pistons turned out ok, right? um, wait a second…
i think mentally they are waiting for the playoffs already. When i see efforts like this, I know I am too.
count me in the, “Rondo, would please stop going for steals when defending the ball and stay in front of your man, please,” chorus. That is really driving me right up the wall. Get your arms out and stay in front. He was having this great quarter, dominating the game and then he chooses to this kaka. And that is the thing, he chooses to do it. I can’t believe Tom and Doc aren’t all over him for it. Enough.
Rondo as the 2nd unit bridge
I liked that. Hope it’s more than a one game thing.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Nov 18, 2009 10:58 PM EST reply actions
a win is a win. it’s rondo’s team. when he got going in the scond half- bingo- the game’s over. they let marquis control the ball some in the 1st half and he did well. in the second, too many threes, sheed not down low and marquis is useless, because up goes the 3 and no chance for the slashers. ray showed some nice play going to the basket and foregoing the 3, very tough play. the defense was not about no communication in the 1st half; it was a lack of effort,plain and simple. turn it on, turn it off. williams bangs and he is usually by himself because sheed is outside. i don’t like this trend.
Only Rondo can go 1 for 4 from the FT line...
…and NOT hurt his season`s average!
The overall lack of the team`s athleticism and quickness is being exposed on a nightly basis.
Fortunately, playoff basketball is played at a slower, half-court pace.
you right on that title, shelden williams is our only big that really looks lively out there getting after lose balls, although sheed and kg both went to the floor tonight, but should that really be note worthy.
ray and pp, before the knee tweek, both look lively, and rondo is quick as can be, but our bigs are gonna need to get after it a little more
too many ill advised three's in the 4th Qtr for me
Sheed can’t play D……but it’s a win
Friday is what I am interested in
Is it Soup Yet?
A good but not pretty start
While the Celtics is holding a respectable 9-3 record after 12 games, they have beaten only two winning teams in those 9 wins.
lousy game
C’s showed no heart or effort until midway through the 3rd quarter. Once they finally showed the motivation, only about 5 minutes worth, they started pulling away.
Overall impressions:
- Sheed is useless unless he’s making shots. Once he hit his 1st 3, he became interested in actually playing. his defense and rebounding still weren’t very good but at least he had a little life.
- House isn’t much use when he’s missing shots either. Doesn’t have the same lackadaisacal attitude as Sheed but he doesn’t provide much out there besides offense. Good to see him hit something last night.
- Rondo’s defense was inexcusably horrid. Toreadors should have that kind of ability to let bulls pass them by like Rondo lets his man by him. Horrible. Led to so much drive-and-kick and layup plays. Nauseating.
- Perk and Williams are still bringing it every night. Damn fine pick up by Danny.
- Daniels still looks good. Need to find a way to get him more involved on offense. Very smooth around the basket. Need to make more use of that.
- Good to see Ray aggressively driving to the basket but man does he stink as a playmaker. turnover just waiting to happen. Makes TA look skilled in that department.
- Giddens had another solid outing on defense—-kept with his man and took whoever he was guarding out of their offense. Would have liked to have seen more aggression on offense—-the drive to the hoop was a good start but needs to do more while out there.
Some hits and misses here Slam
-I think ‘Sheed tends to actually try harder on defense when his shot isn’t falling.-but the big also need to shape up when it comes to stopping the initial penetration attempt.
—Eddie is worthless when he isn’t making shots. And even when he is, he’s still giving up points on the other end.
—Our pick-and-roll defense was bad, but I wouldn’t put that all on Rondo. He tends to gamble when he sees the ‘blizter’ failing to blitz properly. He shouldn’t and he’s been doing a lot in the last 2 games
-Daniels is getting lost on offense a little. I wish he’d get more touches-he always makes the right decision. Definitely our best bench player.
—Giddens was non-existent, which is better than terrible. He did bite pretty bad on a jump fake and gave up 2 free throws (and the Warriors only had 1 sec on the shot clock at the time). That was terrible, but otherwise he was solidly non-existent. Step up for him.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Nov 19, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
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not following what you intended with the stuff that’s crossed out but I’ll give Giddens a break on that pump fake for one simple reason. At least he was close enough to his man to foul him unlike many of the other C’s whose man was taking uncontested shots. Other than that 1 play, Giddens played decent defense. I won’t throw a player under a bus for making 1 bad play. A game’s worth of shoddy plays, that’s an entirely different story and that’s what happened with many of the players in the game—-Rondo in particular.
crossing out happens when you use a - twice.
It’s rather annoying. Same goes for * making stuff bold.
- Dirk van Boxtel, the wandering Celtic fan.
@DaarisDirk
OMG
stop complaining, what part about 9-3 do you not understand?
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what part about garbage play don’t you understand. Their record is not indicative of the quality of their play. see past their record and realize that it will not be so impressive if they play this way against good/decent teams. The Atlanta and Indiana games are perfect examples of this.
mail it in folks
of course, yes you are 100% correct, we look horrible this year, just plain old horrible. At this point I’m wondering if Celtics can get any worse.
NBA Rank
PPG +/- +10.5 #1
FG Pct .501 #1
Assits 25.2 #1
Assits +/- +5.4 #1
A/TO Ratio 1.71 #1.
Looks like the season is over folks Celtics have no chance, well there’s always next year.
by Pumpupthejam on Nov 19, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Pump, see my reply to your earlier post.
we just have whiney, cry baby fans
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
I know
they probably think we are “on pace” to tie the 1972-73 76ers record of 9-73 at this point.
by Pumpupthejam on Nov 19, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
try this one
try reading this forum post Pump and maybe you’ll open your eyes to the reality of the situation.
The first 5 games were good reasons for optimism. everything after that has been a mess.
by slamtheking on Nov 20, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
yes your honor,
horrible, horrible play. Who would want to be #1 in the NBA in OFF/DEFF Eff +/-? And by a good margin too. Has to be the worst year ever.
by Pumpupthejam on Nov 20, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
OFF/DEF Eff +/-
12.8 NBA Rank #1.
The definition of garbage play.

































