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Rondo and Paul - A Rivalry Reviewed

 The Celtics did take care of business last night against the New Orleans Hornets, but it seemed like the real story of the night was the matchup between Rajon Rondo and Chris Paul.

Prior to the game, Rondo told reporters that he was the best point guard in the league. Before that, Kendrick Perkins was quoted in the Boston Herald as saying that according to Rondo, the reason Paul gets all those assists is because "the ball is in his hands all the time".

After the game, Chris Paul was quoted in the Boston Globe as saying, "I think Rondo's a lucky guy to be able to play with a guy like Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and KG, and Rasheed Wallace."

While each of these quotes may be indirect jabs at each other, they also hold some truth. Paul is relied upon more with the ball in his hands, while Rondo makes the most of the assets around him.

Sure, these players probably don't like each other, but who says that they have to?

There is nothing wrong with two players not liking each other, as long as it stays on the court. It all boils down to both players wanting the same thing for their team. It's not their job to like each other; it's their job to beat each other. The NBA needs a player rivalry like Rondo-Paul, it's good for the league and ads another element to the game. It's unfortunate that these two players only meet twice a year.

"Rondo is such a competitive player," Paul Pierce said at last night's press conference. "You also know that Chris Paul is so competitive. Those guys, they compete. Every time they match up with one another, they expect each guy to go at one another."

What is interesting though, is trying to figure out the reasons why these two players don't like each other. Is Rondo jealous of Chris Paul? Is he trying too hard to be considered better than Paul? Is Paul overrated as a point guard? What was said between Paul Pierce and Chris Paul at the end of the game that made Rondo run over and get in Chris Paul's face?

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These are all questions that remain unanswered to this point, but there are two things that we do know about these two players: They're both top tier point guards in the league, and they're both completely different players.

"What (Chris Paul) does for his team, that's what they need, and what I do for my team, that's what we need," said Rondo after the game. "It's kind of two different style plays. He has to do a lot more than I have to do."

"I think it's apples and oranges," Garnett stated. They're both forces. Seeing how Rondo has taken over the game from passing to rebounding the ball, he's in all that. Chris Paul is self-explanatory. He's known for getting guys involved...he's more of a scorer now, to put that on his back night in and night out with that and Rondo has to deal with running the team, and quarterbacking, so it's almost two types of different conversations."

Pierce sees Rondo in the same light as Garnett, saying, "He's doing a great job facilitating the offense and being the quarterback. He understands that he doesn't have to score."

The trash talking was visible between the two guards throughout the game, but that is to be expected between professional athletes. It's not new to try to get in the opponents head during the game.

"Sometimes you get into a little noise, talking, but it ain't nothing serious I don't think- it's nothing personal but (Rondo and Paul) just like going at it," Kendrick Perkins said after the game.

Asked if tonight's game was the type of intensity you like to see out there, Ray Allen responded by saying, "Yeah, and to be able to walk off the floor and say, ‘way to compete tonight'. For those 48 minutes, I cannot stand you. I wanted to fight you. I wanted to do everything I possibly could. And when you walk off the floor you say, ‘way to battle'."

It's hard to say if the words "way to battle" came out of Rondo's or Paul's mouth after the game, but at the same time, it's understood. As far as that battle goes, bring it on.

"...squaring off featherweights- I mean, there's nothing wrong with having a competition," Coach Doc Rivers explained. "The competitions are great. Then that's it. They're supposed to go at each other. Paul [Pierce] is supposed to go at whoever's guarding him, and Kevin's supposed to go at whoever's guarding him. That's basketball."

So maybe there is no better point guard. Maybe these two are the best at what they do- which happen to be different things. Nobody will say that Rondo is a better shooter than Paul is, except maybe Rondo. And nobody will say that Paul is a better facilitator on offense than Rondo is, except maybe Paul.

That's what makes a rivalry fun. If these players push each other to be the best players they can possibly be, then there certainly is a winner: the fans.

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Right on.

Personal competition has made athletes stay on top of their games…Bird/Johnson, Chamberlain/Russell. If Rondo and Paul can live up to that, they will really be doing something special!

by thirstyboots18 on Nov 2, 2009 6:33 AM EST reply actions  

I'm not from around here but reading that I had to make one comment

Which is that 99% of non-Celtic NBA fans/players/coaches/analysts would say Chris Paul is a better facilitator on offense. Better pick and roll player, better drive and dish player, just plain better as a distributor.

I’m no Hornets fan but that is the truth of the matter.

Now if you want to talk defense then you have an argument for Rondo, as Paul is an overrated gambler who can’t deal with bigger pg’s or stop most guards getting to their spot and simply shooting over him.

"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane

by MadBlaze on Nov 2, 2009 7:37 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed

Rondo is a very good player, but for now Paul is clearly better on offense. He just has so many weapons, great court vision, and an ability to stop and start like nothing I’ve ever seen on an NBA court. It’s like he can move without being effected by inertia. When he’s on he makes it look like a video game out there.

This isn’t a knock on Rondo – Paul’s just the best, for now.

by Sophomore on Nov 2, 2009 8:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Definitely

Love Rondo and glad that he’s going to be our point guard of the future but there really is no question that Chris Paul is better than him right now. The only thing Rondo has an edge in is defense, a pretty large edge actually.

Chris Paul gets great assists numbers with far less talented team members while also scoring himself. He’s the best in the league.

by Celtics33 on Nov 2, 2009 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say Rondo has a large edge on defense

They both play a similar gambling style, but Rondo is better at lateral movement.

Paul is the better offensive player, which helps his passing game since you must respect his jumpshot.

I do believe Rondo want to be the best and this is a main source of the rivalry since Paul is arguably the best PG in the NBA currently.

by Surferdad on Nov 2, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

See, the fun part (you can tell by the replies) ...

… the fun part is that 95% of al Celtic NBA fans/players/coaches/analysts agree with your statement too!

CP3 is better, but Rondo is different. He does different things, and on different levels, with a different crew.

That doesn’t mean they can’t go head-to-head :) I consider most of us Celtic fans to be a bit different: we might be green, but we’re not stupid ;)

- Dirk 'DaarisDirk' van Boxtel

by Kiorrik on Nov 2, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

agree with your statement

that 99% of non-Celtic NBA fans/etc. (and heck a hell of a lot of Celtic fans/etc.) would say Chris Paul is a better facilitator on offense.

But I’m not sure that he really is.

The two offenses are very different. Paul will always score more points in the NO offense and is obviously a better shooter and so is probably a better overall offensive weapon on THAT team. But I’m not sure Paul would be a better offensive facilitator on the Celtics.

Here is the basic difference:

On the Hornets, CP comes down the court and looks first to see if he can create his own shot and if not there, works to create a shot for a teammate.

On the Celtics, RR comes down the court and looks first to create a shot for a teammate.

Maybe that is saying Rondo’s job is simpler?

I’ll note that Marquis is pretty much following Rondo’s same pattern (assists come first and is taking very, very few shots while playing PG) so I believe this is basically how Doc wants the PG to run the offense.

by mmmmm on Nov 2, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

“On the Hornets, CP comes down the court and looks first to see if he can create his own shot and if not there, works to create a shot for a teammate.”

Do you watch Paul play? The first thing he does is look for shots for his teammates. His assists would sky rocket on the Celtics, and Rondo could never carry an offensive load on any team.

by redzero on Nov 2, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

I have watched CP play.

On his team, he is clearly one of the primary scoring options. You cannot deny that.

That means that the team will have designed more plays that score through him. You should not take my observation above as criticism of Paul. That is the way his team is designed to work. CP takes .427 shots/min from the field.

I also agree that Rondo would probably NOT be able to fulfill the same role as Chris Paul does in the Hornets offense. In the Celtics offense, Rondo only currently takes .177 shots/min from the field.

For comparison, Ray Allen, the Celtics Shooting Guard, has taken .396 shots/min from the field.

You cannot say with certainty that Paul would be better than Rondo in the Celtics offense & defense. You say that his assists would skyrocket. Maybe – and do you think his points scored would remain? You can’t have both. What about rebounds and steals?

On a per-minute basis, Paul is currently averaging .238 assists/min and .776 pts/min for 1.252 points-produced/min (pp/m) along with .077 rebounds/min and .021 steals/min.

Rondo’s numbers are currently .362 assists/min and .200 pts/min for .924 pp/m along with .154 rebound/min and .077 steals/min.

So CP currently dominates in total point production but Rondo clearly currently dominates in assists and rebounds and steals.

It is easy to say that, transported into a team with KG, Pierce, Ray and Sheed that CP would defer to them as scorers and take fewer shots and thus generate Rondo-like (or greater) assist numbers. Maybe. But can you as easily say that he would also generate the same or better rebound and steal numbers?

Again, I think this is a case of apples and oranges. Both are great players. They just have different skills they bring to the table.

by mmmmm on Nov 3, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

the wind blew and the mud flew

and they’ll hug it out in a day or two…

Why ? Hornets love sweet clover….

Chris……is in there somewhere ….smothered in clover defense

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Nov 2, 2009 8:58 AM EST reply actions  

Channeling Kanye West

No disrespect to Rondo, but Chris Paul will go down as one of the best point guards of all time! OF ALL TIME!

That said, Rondo is perfect for this team, and I love that he’s got such a cocky attitude.

by Black Bird on Nov 2, 2009 9:07 AM EST reply actions  

I am not arguing who is better (Wilt was the best individual player, Russ, the best team player and has the rings to prove it. Larry and Magic didn’t even play the same position. What I am saying is that the competition makes both better and makes for a great ride for the fan…

by thirstyboots18 on Nov 2, 2009 9:16 AM EST reply actions  

Paul's a better shooter

but Rondo’s a much better defender, rebounder and from what I’ve seen, a better driver and passer too.

The question is, which skill does a team need more, to determine who’s the better PG.

Rondo can work on his shooting. Not to CP3 level but at develop consistancy to 15-18 feet. Can CP3 improve his defense and rebounding to Rondo’s level or close? Not so sure about that.

by slamtheking on Nov 2, 2009 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

Rondo is not a better driver or passer.

He isn’t a better ball handler. He isn’t a better shooter. He isn’t a better scorer. He can’t control the flow of the offense like Paul.

Rondo would be nothing without KG, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen.

by redzero on Nov 2, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

don’t sleep on how important Rondo’s rebounding is, ESPECIALLY in playoff games when the outcome comes down to rebounds.

They both get it done, but in very different ways. Rondo has the best floor game of any Celtic point I’ve seen.

by BirdNerd on Nov 2, 2009 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

Right, see You can win with either of them, but obviously it depends on who you put around them. Rondo plays his best when he gets the big three the ball. He knows when to do it, and he knows how to run the offense around them. Like P and KG said, he’s the qb out there.

Paul is relied upon more to score the ball. Paul is a great point guard, and if you’re starting a team from scratch, you may choose Paul over Rondo. But you won’t have success unless you put the right guys around Paul. You can’t have a band with 5 lead singers, you can’t put 5 scorers in the same lineup. Rondo and Paul both know their role well and play it well.

Essentially the point of this article was to note that Rondo is the best at being Rondo and Paul is the best at being Paul, and if they hate each other because of it, then good for us.

by Jimmy Toscano on Nov 2, 2009 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

"Is Paul overrated as a point guard? "

Wow.

Keep pumpin, ain't worried bout nuttin
Busters thought we was frontin, so reload and keep dumpin
Keep Sleeping on Orlando...

by BS Patrol on Nov 2, 2009 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

This is a media created rivalry

If you ask the right questions you will eventually get these guys to say something about the other that can be construed as a jab. These guys don’t talk about each other the rest of the season. They see each other twice a year. I don’t think there is a personal rivarly here. It is something that people and the media want to see, and I don’t get it. Don’t get me wrong. I would love to see the rivalry, but let’s not force it. The postgame altercation (if you can even call it that) was a result of a hard fought game, not that they didn’t like each other coming into the game. If there was any bad blood between the two coming into the game, its from hearing so many questions about the other before the game. It just makes no sense to me. Let’s stop fabricating rivalries just so we can get giddy about them. Let the players and the games develop them.

by PierceMVP08 on Nov 2, 2009 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

ridiculous

Rondo isn’t as good as CP3 just plain and simple. CP3 is looking to score more this year because if he doesn’t try and score they will be terrible. They don’t have one other player that can create their own shot. If he played for Boston he would average 15 assists a game. CP3 made David West an All Star. Garnett, Allen, Pierce, and Sheed were all previous Allstars before Rondo was ever in the NBA.

by redmond05 on Nov 2, 2009 4:58 PM EST reply actions  

RONDO HAS AN ATTITIUDE

All he needs is a MENTOR on the team to help him grow up! There are many possibilities, but I wouldn’t put him with Paul, or maybe he would be the best since he had his share of problems early on and has grown to be a MAN. Boys will be boys and it is not right to be disrespectful, but it is what it is. NBA B-Ball.

by pachuka13 on Nov 3, 2009 12:09 PM EST reply actions  

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