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Shelden goes after the ball.

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Shelden goes after the ball.

The following post was written before the news of Glen Davis's early return was announced in the Steve Bulpett article. Doc Rivers comments are interesting and just a bit surprising to me. But at the same time, understandable.

Shelden Williams has done an excellent job in the time he has been given on the floor. Still, I'll stand by my piece. Davis brings a different dimension to the team than Williams. There is no doubt that Davis has the more creative game. The question is, is that what Doc Rivers wants and what the Celtics need?

Shelden's game has been a bit of a hybrid between Powe and Davis. Strong rebounding along with a shot blocking dimension to go with an emerging outside shot. And that is a good thing.

That they are on a par shooting,as Doc suggests should fuel the competition for minutes between them. I'm not quite in agreement with Doc on that aspect. But again, Davis has to prove it. Glen has demonstrated more range on his shot thus far.

Saying all that, here is the original piece discussing Shelden's mindset about how he views his own role before the recent comments from Doc. I'm sure he didn't expect the vote of confidence he received from the news.

(In addition, I had deleted a comment I made at the very end of the article about the possibility of using Davis and his base year comp salary and a few expiring contracts to pick up another piece during this season. Yes, base year comp players have been traded in the past. Perhaps that comment would have more validity if Williams becomes all that Doc Rivers wants. I've added that comment back as fuel for discussion.)

It wasn’t that long ago that many people thought that Shelden Williams might make Glen Davis, shall we say…less needed.

 

Star-divide

But that was way back when the Celtics opened the season with a few convincing wins and were 8-1. Since then they are in a 2-3 stumble. They are playing uneven and largely disappointing basketball, and they are appearing to do it in slow motion at times.

Yes, the 1988 Celtics come to mind. From that year forward, the big three were eventually worn down by less talented teams with their youth, depth, and athleticism. Bird, McHale, and Parish the thought.

I never expected that to happen to this team this season. Maybe it isn’t. But it sure looks like it.

All of a sudden Shelden Williams isn’t getting the playing time he was, maybe because he isn’t as effective as he was. It looks like there is room for Glen Davis after all.

The team needs a boost from somewhere. Youth, strength, energy, and athleticism. Glen Davis has all four.  

Shelden Williams, the man who has benefited from Glen’s absence, has been aware that his time and opportunity has come at the expense of Glen Davis’ of court poor decision making and unfortunate injury. In some ways, it has all been a blessing, hopefully for both players.

Because of that, Shelden Williams has been the unexpected center of media attention many times in the locker room in this young season.

There have been times...if you saw the amount of media in front of his locker…that you thought it must one of the team stars standing there enthralling scribes with the whys and wherefores of the team’s most recent accomplishments and their own.

Instead, Sheldon Williams, former lottery pick, now Celtic veteran minimum pick up, was the player dealing with all the attention. Answering questions largely about his own solid play, his countenance has remained rather inscrutable in the course of these sessions. There is no sense of overt satisfaction nor allowing himself any real contentedness, in light of his continuing success.

Due to his overall NBA experience, has he become a bit jaded or at least skeptical of what his recent success actually means?

You never know what is going to happen. I got a chance and opportunity when someone else got hurt, you know, and for me to make the most of the minutes, I think I’ve done a pretty god job of doing that. So as of right now…what’s in front of me I can’t control.

Without referring to the future directly, he knows that some day Glen Davis will return ready to play.

Whenever that day does come, you know, it’s going to be up to them. It’s out of my control. I can only control things I can control.

The fall had been a hard one for the 26 year old former Duke star. He has gone from college star to the 5th overall draft pick, to traded twice, then obtaining just a minimum contract, albeit with a championship contending team.

Recently Williams played against his first team, the Atlanta Hawks.

In a sidenote, Joe Smith was another talented player who was unable to live up to where he was drafted. In his case, the pressure was enormous as the number one overall pick in 1995. He is now a Hawk.


An interesting post game exchange with Joe Smith, who had a good game against the Celtics, revealed the following…

Weren’t you supposed to be a Celtic?

(Laughing)

Aren’t you on the wrong team here?
 
(More chuckling)

Nah, they went another route. They went another route.

Did they actually make you an offer?

Umm…we talked a little bit this summer. And I think the Rasheed thing went down before anything got too serious.

And you weren’t going to come for the minimum.

Actually that’s what I’m on here.

So you could have been Sheldon Williams.

Pause (chuckling)  Something like that, right?

But that never got further than talking?

Right.

So Mr. Smith Goes to Atlanta. The young Hawks needed some veteran experience. The older Celtics needed a shot of youth. While Joe Smith is a far more accomplished NBA player and has extensive playoff experience, it makes sense.

The Celtic need for youthful energy looks even more acute now.

Even in the second half of the recent halcyon days of 8-1, the Celtics weren’t looking that fearsome. A two point win against a weak Timberwolves team, followed by their first loss to the surprising Suns, then a warning sign 10 point win against the equally bad Nets, was followed by a deceptively unimpressive 19 point over the Jazz.  Three troubling wins and a loss.

Add to that the last 5 games and Celtics seem far older, and far less energetic than anyone thought would be possible in the beginning of the season.

Shelden Williams’ minutes are taking a hit along the way.

Averaging 15 minutes a game, his minutes have dropped considerably in the last two games, to just 7 plus and 9 plus minutes.  He did miss some assignments on the defensive end against the Knicks. He also had no rebounds, a turnover, and just 2 points in the 9 minutes. But that wasn't characteristic of his contributions this season.

Stats
While stats never tell the whole story, Williams has the highest rebound average per 36 minutes on the team at 10.9 and is 19th in the NBA per 48 minutes.

He is shooting a career high .535% with a career high in foul shooting at 85%, a career high in assists at 1.6 per 36 minutes.

Taller than either the departed Leon Powe or the injured Glen Davis, Williams seems to like contact in the middle. While he is still learning the defensive rotations, he is a space eater. I feel like I’m writing notes on his report card when I say…. Shelden has shown an occasional ability to hit the short jump shot.

He has an acceptable eFG inside of .577% and an on court/off court of +5.7 – good for 4th best on the team, though that stat has to be tempered by the fact that he is almost always on court against the other team’s second unit.

A bit undersized for inside play and not a great leaper, I haven’t really seen a ‘go to’ move from him around the hoop, but he manages to do pretty well anyway. On a team that has had a puzzling lack of rebounding, Williams gives them that skill.

Yet, his game is pretty vanilla and the Celtics need someone who can spark this team. Glen Davis has been disciplining his own game to play within certain team confines. But Davis is quicker, more mobile, and has a more creative game. Shelden has a steady predictability emerging in his play.

From diving into the stands or on the ground for loose balls, to stealing the ball from point guards, Davis can provide a spark that Williams can’t. Williams is fundamental and safe. Davis is creative and can stir up the game.

So, while the team was winning, Williams looked like a true competitor for Davis’ minutes. The energy shortage of late makes Davis’ return look far more important than before. Williams is well aware of the situation. Now Doc has given him an additional confidence booster with his recent comments.

He has played very well and no matter what his minutes are, he knows that this team is a good fit for him.

Umm…I think so. I’m playing in a structured style system…and everybody’s doing their roles and uh…issued their roles from day one so…they kind of like… play within themselves.

Expectations are lower here for you. Does that help you so you can do what you do best?

Yeah, pretty much, I mean…for me to just come in here and be me, I haven’t felt like this since I was back on Duke campus. So just come out here and play ball and be me…it’s a different feeling.

While Shelden won’t allow himself the luxury of thinking he has gained any real foothold to a meaningful role and predictable minutes, for the first time in the NBA he has a chance to show who he really is as a player with the support of his team. As he relates, that is a different feeling and one the Celtics are both the procreators and beneficiaries of.

With so many things finally going right for him, as the new guy, he knows he has things to work on.

Still getting acclimated and adjusted to everything that’s being thrown at me right now. Obviously, the other guys on the team you know, have been around and what to expect. They know how he wants things run and (how) he wants certain plays to happen and all that stuff. So…I think just me getting more comfortable with that…and knowing what…exactly what he wants me to do in certain situations are probably being the biggest things so far right now.

When Glen Davis comes back, Shelden knows he will be a fight for minutes. Doc has actually reversed that and now says that Davis will have to fight for minutes. It should be very interesting to see how it all plays out.

Davis knows the playbook, is ahead of the curve on the defensive schemes and can play both the power forward and center positions. To many, Davis' recent off court incident hasn't helped. Shelden Williams appears to be a low maintenance kind of player, and a quick learner.

In the mean time, Shelden Williams has raised eyebrows with his play, is feeling like he did in college and is making the most of his time for the benefit of the Celtics and himself.

Is Shelden’s career…. rebounding? That would be a double yes.

Final thought: Considering the current pace of Kevin Garnett's recovery, Rasheed Wallace's current inefficiencies, and the emerging game of Shelden Williams, would it be possible that Danny Ainge uses a healthy Davis and expiring contracts as a piece in trade for another player?

I said in the preseason that I thought DA would keep his eyes open for trades and I felt that this team could use another piece. There are enough differences between the two players to keep both. But are there enough similarities to shop for a different piece?

Bonus Link:  via Hardwood Paroxysm  "I’ll say it. I think Shelden Williams is a better player than Glen Davis."

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No reason why things won't work for either

Seriously, If Powe and Davis worked well in 2008 not reason why this shouldn’t. We can’t just insert BBD every single time and expect good results. It will all come down to the situations and who we are playing. Some opponents will be better dealt with Davis and some with Williams

by afflatus on Nov 25, 2009 7:55 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps 2-3 is b/c Shelden get's less minutes..

If the Celtics have looked dead/old, whatever you want to call it, then perhaps reducing Shelden’s minutes was a bad idea by Doc.

By the way, I disagree that Davis brings a new dimension to the team. He may be bringing “a dimension”, but I think it’s a redundant one.

You can tell by the quotes that Shelden is mature and has been around the league. He’s given it his all this year, which has correlated into some real effective numbers, and I think he deserves to get the majority of playing time.

by TomHamilton30 on Nov 25, 2009 8:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your "Davis" dimension

Davis brings in a decent outside jumper and a wide body on defense. Not that Shelden is very good at it, but he is a better back to the basket post player than Davis. It will all come down to what is needed in specific situations and on specific games. If you want Shaq out of the paint on defense, Davis is your man. If you wanna punish Rashard Lewis inside at the four spot, Shelden is probably better suited….list goes on.

by afflatus on Nov 25, 2009 8:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Davis brings

energy, hustle and young legs. Not to mention an outside shot that Sheed is not hitting.

by Bankshot on Nov 25, 2009 8:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The way things are going now, both Williams and BBD will be eating into Garnett’s and Sheed’s minutes, because neither KG nor Sheed is getting the job done on the glass.

by Brickowski on Nov 25, 2009 9:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

yet oddly

when they played Sheed in the paint against Orlando he erupted for 13 rebounds – including 5 offensive boards (something the Celtics have been lacking at). He also had 4 in only 15 minutes in the last game. I think they do need to keep Sheed in the post more. They didn’t do that with Sheed until well into the Magic game – most of his rebounds came late in the game and were key to the Celts getting back into it. Makes me wonder if they had done that earlier how the game might have played out.

I do like what BBD and Williams both bring to the table though.

by mmmmm on Nov 25, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Play 'em both!

I don’t see why Doc wouldn’t put them both on the court at the same time? Give Perk, KG and Wallace some added rest (which may pay off come playoff times) and let those two handle the C and PF positions at times. Shelden is strong rebounder, and Davis can score. The combination might not be the best in the league, but I think they can compliment each other well and could provide a new look teams aren’t prepared for…

by funkstarrdeluxe on Nov 25, 2009 9:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

great pickup by Danny

he’s showing he’s a keeper for next year. He’s been a very pleasant surprise so far this season. Sadly, the C’s probably won’t be able to keep him next year since he’s shown he’s worth much more than the minimum. Not full MLE but at least half of it. That midrange jumper he’s shown has made him a nice option on the floor on offense.

by slamtheking on Nov 25, 2009 9:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Williams desreves to have his playing time preserved....

He has played solidly this year and has been a great acquisition adding good quality depth to the front court.

He is rebounding, blocking shots and defending the low post very well.

Williams does all the above far better than Glen Davis ever has, especially since Baby has a short arm wing span and Willimas has a super long arm wing span .
 
Keep in mind last year Powe and Davis were a bit undersized playing against some of the larger power forwards in the NBA, but since Williams plays bigger with his long reach he will comke in handy against the bigger clubs we face in the NBA like Orlando and Cleveland.

He can also spot duty at the center position against smaller centers which is good insurance policy.
 
Williams has a nice jump shot and shoots free throws as well as any other big on our team and is also a very physical and energetic player who shows alot of hustle which is exactly what this team needs.

I still think Baby has a role on the team and should get minutes since he also has just what we need bringing young legs, energy and a physical game which will come in handy against the bigger clubs we face this year like Orlando and Cleveland.

Williams and Davis should both get minutes as Doc should be resting Garnet as much as possible this year as he recovers from his knee injury and to keep him fresh for the playoffs.

by fordescort on Nov 25, 2009 10:05 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

THIS IS WHAT...

I’ve saying all along (even during the pre-season).. I agree 100% with HANZINHO that if BBD can play the SF position, why not start the second unit with BBD-WILLIAMS-SHEED-DANIELS-HOUSE?

by BOOMBOOM on Nov 25, 2009 10:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

SF??!!

Davis has no chance of guarding good small forwards. At times he looked slow guarding power forwards. He’d be in foul trouble in 2 minutes if he was asked to guard small forwards.

by TomHamilton30 on Nov 25, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What a strange world

How many professions would you ever get a question like:

Expectations are lower here for you. Does that help you so you can do what you do best?

well except maybe politicians…

anyway … I think they may both do just fine….young legs trying secure minutes means hustle and rebounds – and we need both.

I would suggest however that Glen and Sherwin do not share cab rides together….if a fight breaks out one punch to Sherwin’s forehead and you’ve got paint and blood spilling everywhere

TT – have a good weekend

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by Master Po on Nov 25, 2009 11:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes, and Davis would break his other thumb

by Brickowski on Nov 25, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be interested...

to see that question put to a politician. lol
 

Same to you Mr Po

the paint I can handle, the blood…..

by tenaciousT on Nov 25, 2009 12:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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